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Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 4:24 PM Sunday, October 31, 1993
Subject: keyboards on the cd...
somebody mentioned the subject of keyboards on the cd in the last
post.  i've heard from several sources that peter laid down some
tracks before leaving for new york, and i have a freind swear that
she heard keyboard tracks on tripping billies on aug 31, 93.  if
anyone can back any of this up, please do so.
 
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 4:26 PM Sunday, October 31, 1993
Subject: Peter

    I find it hard to believe that anyone could have attended a DMB show
last year and have failed to notice Peter playing keyboard.  Granted, Peter
was not as flashy and flamboyant as Boyd but what he lacked in this area
he made up for in his playing.  Many songs are just not the same since
Peter has left.  Lover, Cry Freedom, I'll back you up, are just a few
examples.  IMHO Peter also added a sense of professionalism to the band
I can't really explain this, but I think Peter's quiet and reserved nature
as well as his intensity were somewhat responsible.  I keep hoping Peter
will change his mind and return to the band or that the band would seek
a replacement for him but so far I have signs at this.  A few weeks ago
I attended Van Riper's.  While DMB was playing their set Warren Haynes
joined in for Dancing Nanciees and it was incredible but I must admit I
was hoping Warren Hayne's keyboardist would have joined in as well.  He was
sitting on the stage, intently listening as if waiting for an invitation to
jam with the band.  Unfortunately, none was extended for I feel he would
make an excellent addition.
  On the subject of Miguel Valdez, I would harly say he was a regular 2nd
percussionist for the band.  He would sit in on a show every once in a
while but had a band of his own  (African Drum Fest) that occupied the
majority of his time.  I had the pleaure of seeing him perform at the
Halloween show last year and he was incredible.  Sadly, he passed away
this spring and for those of you who don't know the song #34 is about him.
   Before I go, I have two questions.
 
1)  Does anyone know who the opening band was for the show the band played
     at the Wetlands this summer?  The show was in late May or early June as
     I recall.
2)   Also, does anyone have a good copy of the Halloween show that I
     mentionned above.  Its an excellent show but unfortunately my copy
     is rather poor.    You can e-mail me at   stu_behorton@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
     for this one.
 
Brett


Posted By: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 5:07 PM Sunday, October 31, 1993
Subject: keyboards

I was at the 8-31-93 show at trax (I beleive we're talking about the same show)
and I saw no keyboards at all. I do have a few tapes with doug wanamaker (from
indecision, as most of you know) sittin' in with DMB. Indecision is no longer
in existence, an' i have no idea about what doug is doing these days. I'm from
ch'ville, but i go to school in NJ now, so it's hard to keep up with all the
local goings on. My brother went to the show at hampden sydney a week or two
ago and he said that Dave played a new song by himself which my brother thought
was called Tired Again. Does anyone know anything about this song? I went to the
wetlands show last night and I saw Dave play a song by himself as the first
encore, but I don't think it was called tired again. It was an great show, thouh! The band was very psyched to be playing. Does anyone know if or when the band
is playing Princeton?    



Drew Devereux


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 6:10 PM Sunday, October 31, 1993
Subject: Grovel for last night's setlist

No one that I talked to last night knew any of the songs.  Could
someone please post a setlist.

As for comments on the show.

I thought most of the first set blew.  Dave seemed really nervous
(compared to the second) and the music didn't flow very well.  I
thought the last song of the first set was pretty hot, and then pretty
much all of the second set was very hot.  This was my first time
seeing these guys and due to the second set I was impressed.

Does Dave ever play electric?

I think Dave should look into some heavier guage string.  He was
breaking about one per song in the second set.

Set list please!!!!!!!

Thanks.
-- 
Eric Budke    budkee@unvax.union.edu      Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Com)			  Schenectady NY 12308
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Posted By: baylorf@aol.com
Time/Date: 6:43 PM Sunday, October 31, 1993
Subject: OFFICIAL CD INFO

Here is the official and definitive information on the upcoming CD release by
DMB:

The disc is called "Remember Two Things." The release date is Tuesday,
November 9. The band will play Trax that night, but three record stores will
have midnight release parties at 12:01 am 11/9 (Plan 9 Charlottesville, P9
Richmond, and Town & Campus Harrisonburg).

The track listing has been slightly modified since our previous announcement;
"Seek Up" has been added, so the actual; listing is now:

Ants Marching/Tripping Billies/Recently/Satellite/One Sweet World/The Song
That Jane Likes/Minarets/Seek Up/I'll Back You Up/Christmas Song.

The songs were recorded at Trax in Charlottesville, Flood Zone (Richmond),
The Muse (Nantucket) and one studio track, "Minarets," was recorded at Flat
Five Studios in Salem, VA. Joh Alagia produced the disc along with the band.

Other factoids:
-The CD insert will include a complete lyric sheet. 
-A cassette will be available around the 1st of December.
-Along with the album, a limited edition 22 x 28 poster featuring a large
version of the stereogram on the CD cover will be available; the three stores
doing the midnight opening will have them, but they will also be available at
shows.
-If your local store doesn't know about DMB, you can order the disk and/or
poster directly from Bama Rags Records at (804) 979-9695. However, it will be
much appreciated (even if you order direct) if you'll tell your local stores
about the band and ask them to get some copies to sell. They can call Bama
Rags directly to do so.

The band is currently negotiating a major-label deal. It has become
complicated because several new majors have become interested late in the
game. The deal was supposed to be done by the end of this month, but a
bidding war may ensue and delay things. In any event, there won't be any new
DMB recorded product released other than Remember Two Things before the
middle of 1994.

Incidentally, the band's management does have access to this net and welcomes
everyone's interest. On their behalf we say Thanks to Alex, Ellis and
everyone responsible. Interesting messages will be passed on to band members
when time permits, so you can pose questions directly to them. [Note: it will
often tak a while to get replies, because they travel a lot, so have
patience.]

Keep posting, and enjoy R2T.


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 7:23 PM Sunday, October 31, 1993
Subject: Last night

Now that I think about it some more.  The first set didn't really
blow.  It's just that Dave wasn't very impressive, I thought that the
saz and violin player were excellent.  The bass was pretty low in the
mix and the drums filled in nicely.  It's just Dave didn't seem to add
much to the set and the others seemed way over his head.  And that set
I didn't care much for him.
-- 
Eric Budke    budkee@unvax.union.edu      Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Com)			  Schenectady NY 12308
(518)388-6446 	 			    518-388-5615
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Posted By: fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 9:49 PM Sunday, October 31, 1993
Subject: SONGS

                I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THE OLD DMB SONGS.  HAS
ANYONE HEARD THE BAND PLAY "ME SND JULIO" OR "LOVER LIE DOWN" LATELY?  I
WAS TOLD THAT THEY STOPED PLAYING "JULIO" AS A SORT OF RESPECT TO PAUL
SIMON'S ABILITY OF PLAYING IT.  ALSO DAVE TOLD A FEW OF US THAT IT HAS BEEN
A YEAR SINCE THEY PLAYED "LOVER".  I HAVE A COPY OF IT FROM 12-4-92 AND
WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THEM BRING IT BACK INTO THEIR SETS EVEN WITHOUT
THE BACK GROUND KEYS.  I AM SURE THEY COULD COMPROMISE WITH SAX AND FIDDLE.
 HAVE ANY OF YOU HEARD THE EXTENDED VERSION OF "CRY FREEDOM" WHICH IS MUCH
BETTER THAN THE SHORTER?  I WOULD LIKE TO GET A COPY, THE ONLY ONE I HAVE
IS POOR(IT WAS MY FIRST TAPE OF THE BAND AND INCLUDES "EXODUS").


Posted By: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 1:07 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: wetlands

somebody wanted to know the set list from the show last night. I don't remember
exactly what it was, but this is sort of it. I remember the first set, but it
got a bit fuzzy in the second.

Jimi Thing
Seek Up An Emotion
Song Jane likes
One sweet world
Pay for what you get
Ants Marching


Minarets
Typical situation
I get really fuzzy here, but they played True Reflections, Lie in our Graves,
Tripping Billies, Help Myself, Satellite, Granny, and they closed the set with
Recently. The two encores were a new song with Dave by himself, the name of which I don't know, and then Halloween. The set list is probably incomplete, cause
they did play for a long time, so any additions or corrections are welcome.
They had a friend sit in on True Reflections on sax and then later on Watchtower
(sorry, i forgot to mention thet earlier) on sax  and flute. I had seen this
guy play with them once before in ch'ville. He did much better last night than
when I saw him before. Anyway, I thought the show was really good. I didn't
feel that Dave was tentative or quiet. He did have some problems with the
sound-guy not getting it quite the way he wanted it till about half way through
the first set, but that all got staightened out. The Jimi thing followed by
an incredible Typical were excellent, in my mind. Plus, it was nice being so
close to the band, and being able to see how they interact and communicate when they're on stage. It was kinda like the old days when they used to play the 
Eastern Standard in ch'ville (summer of 91. Dave and Ed, who are both on this net, used to go to those shows with me). Anyway, it was a great way to celebrate
an early Halloween. If there is anyone who made tapes and is interested in
doing a tree, please speak up, cause it's definately a show worth having on 
tape.


-Drew Devereux


Posted By: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 1:24 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: It was Seek up after Jimi thing, not Typical, as I said in my last

message. Sorry.


Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:31 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: A few things...

1) It has not been a year since the last Lover...a while, but no year...
 
2) Dave told me at a show in January this year that they stopped doing Me &
Julio because he liked the original so much.  I love DMB's version and tried to
convince him to play it again but to no avail.  I think that one is gone for
good.
 
3) Regarding the keyboardist from Indecision...last I heard the DMB had no
plans for getting a new keyboardist at all.  Sad...I really miss Peter on
Dancing Nancies among countless others.
 
4) I think it blows that the album is all live.  (except for Minarets)  Live
Dave tapes have been circulating for years.  They play so many live shows a
year that a live album could have been released long ago.  Also, they HAVE done
studio work beyond Minarets.Peter was involved in some studio work so maybe
that has something to do with its not being released.  Who knows.  I just
really wanted to hear what the band could do in the studio.  I'm not sure that
I plan to buy the album now because I can get plenty of live DMB and most of
the songs on the album I already own several copies of.  Any thoughts on this?
 
5) What does everyone think about having lyrics in the liner notes?  I don't
like it personally because there has always been a lot of mystery around Dave's
lyrics mostly due to his singing style.  I think that's pretty cool.
 
Until next time...
 
*******************The devious gelatin holding me fast*************************
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*  JMU Box 1734              :) ;) :D :P                                      *
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****************I try to move now but you let me move last*********************


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 3:00 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: re: A Few Things...

> 4) I think it blows that the album is all live.  (except for Minarets)  Live
> Dave tapes have been circulating for years.  They play so many live shows a
> year that a live album could have been released long ago.  Also, they HAVE done
> studio work beyond Minarets.Peter was involved in some studio work so maybe
> that has something to do with its not being released.  Who knows.  I just
> really wanted to hear what the band could do in the studio.  I'm not sure that
> I plan to buy the album now because I can get plenty of live DMB and most of
> the songs on the album I already own several copies of.  Any thoughts on this?

Well part of the deal with Phish, and hopefully with bands like BT,
GSW, Panic, ARU et al, is that they allow you to tape.  But in return
the least you could do is buy their albums.  These bands aren't that
old, and buying their album if you really enjoy their stuff should be
no big deal and it won't cost you tons of $$.  It's not like you have
to catch up with the Dead's albums.  Especially sice this is a self
released disc, which means the band had to shell out the bucks for it.
I don't know much about Dave and the band, but it's doubtful that all
of the money they are bringing in is going to themselves.  I'm sure
there is a ton of overhead that due to economies of scale is costing
them a bunch.  Whereas a record company would probably pick up the tab
for some things.
	Buying their album will do a couple of things.  First off it
will put money in their pockets/reimburse them for the costs of
putting the disc out.  And second it will impress the record people
who are bidding for them and the record stores that are selling them.
This gets Dave and the band some more money to play around with (buy
some guitar strings) and gets their name recognized at stores so it
will be easier to find their next record, when it isn't available at
stores and most likely is a studio album.

	---Enough morality
>  
> 5) What does everyone think about having lyrics in the liner notes?  I don't
> like it personally because there has always been a lot of mystery around Dave's
> lyrics mostly due to his singing style.  I think that's pretty cool.


Sort of undecided on this one.  I think that if they are gonna put
lyrics, they should put them all in and make them legible.  If they
aren't gonna do the above they should leave them out.

-- 
Eric Budke    budkee@unvax.union.edu      Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Com)			  Schenectady NY 12308
(518)388-6446 	 			    518-388-5615
God Street Wine and Allman Brothers Mailing list administrator
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Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 6:45 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: Wetlands.

Well, how was it!?!


------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: sdeutsch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 9:46 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: Re: new song

On Sun, 31 Oct 1993, Andrew William Devereux wrote:

> My brother went to the show at hampden sydney a week or two ago and he
> said that Dave played a new song by himself which my brother thought
> was called Tired Again. Does anyone know anything about this song? I
> went to the wetlands show last night and I saw Dave play a song by
> himself as the first encore, but I don't think it was called tired again.
 
Dave played a new song by himself at the 11/27/93 show at Zollmann's in
Lexington, VA and in the beginning he said he didn't have a title for it,
but after he played it, he called it "A Quick Lay and Goodbye" yet asked
the crowd if they had a better name for it, so I don't think it has a
permanent name yet.  Also, parts of it sound like the song he opened the
7/14/93 Floodzone show which was pretty much just a jam but we refer to it
as "Anti-noise Song"  I hope that helps.  

Sue Deutsch


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 9:47 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 14

first, in response to drew devereux:
>
>I was at the 8-31-93 show at trax (I beleive we're talking about the same show)
>and I saw no keyboards at all.
>
that's because there weren't any keyboards to 'see'.  what my freind was
trying to say is that she heard an overdub on top of the music.  sorry
about that.
 
and as to eric budke:
>
>Does Dave ever play electric?
 
no, it's not very conducive to his style.  one thing to notice
is the fact that his acoustic guitars are actually made specifically
to be plugged in.  i don't think they even have a hallow body.  his
acoustic sound is what he's looking for.
i only have one tape where he even tries to perform a lead, trading
off almost note for note w/ leroi, and he doesn't seem very into it.
some of his rhythm lines are much more complicated than a lot of lead
lines.  it took me most of the summer to pick out minarets, tripping
billies recently and so much to say, and even having practiced them
for months, i know that it's impossible for me, or probably anybody
else to do them justice.  i'll just leave it at dave matthews is one
of the most phenomenal guitarists i've ever listened to.
>
>I think Dave should look into some heavier guage string.  He was
>breaking about one per song in the second set.
>
i've noticed that when he breaks a string, it just means he's more
into the music he's playing, playing harder, and playing better.
when the whole band is jammin' away, he tends to just wail on the
prominent bass strings to the chords necessary for that part of the
song.
actually, watch the strings he does break.  usually it's the heavier
bass strings which are alread b/w 25-50 gauge.  making them any thicker
probably won't help him much.
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 11:35 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: Re: new song

>Dave played a new song by himself at the 11/27/93 show at Zollmann's in
>Lexington, VA and in the beginning he said he didn't have a title for it,
>but after he played it, he called it "A Quick Lay and Goodbye"

Is that the same song that keeps mentioning "cheap wine"?  

-Dave


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 11:41 AM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: *** Dave Matthews 10/26 Tree

This is the SECOND announcement. Please do NOT submit a form
if you already have!!



Announcement for the 10/26/93 Dave Matthews Band tree
-----------------------------------------------------

This is an analog ONLY tree.
Cut and paste the form below to apply to the tree. 
Send form/questions to:
     dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Deadline for tree signup is: NOVEMBER 8, 1993.  (That's gonna be firm, too)

This tree will be distributing two 90 minute tapes containing the Dave
Matthews Band show at Trax in Charlottesville on 10/26/93.  The seed is
the master from the soundboard.  The setlist for 10/26 is as follows:

Tape 1:  Set 1
Side A                               Side B
(new song, don't know the name) *    Seek Up
   (possibly A Quick Lay & Goodbye)
I'll Back You Up *                   Dancing Nancies
Drive In, Drive Out *                The Song That Jane Likes
All Along The Watchtower *           Help Myself
Two Step *
Jimi Thing
* - Dave Solo

Tape 2:  Set 2 and Encore
Side A                               Side B
Ants Marching                        Tripping Billies
Lie In Our Graves                    One Sweet World
Screaming From The Minarets          Halloween (Drum Solo)
Blue Water
Typical Situation


NOTE:  True Reflection was played between Seek Up and Dancing
Nancies, but is missing due to technical fault (somebody accidentally
shut my deck off!).

I haven't selected what filler I will use, but be assured, it will 
be equally good quality.


--------cut here-------------
Name: _
Email address: _
Postal Mail address: _

Noise Reduction (Dolby B,C, or none): _
Tape Type: _

If you are a branch, will you be sending me trades or blanks? _

Are you willing to make copies for others? _
How many copies are you willing to make for others? _

Describe your taping setup: _





-----------cut here-----------------


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 2:31 PM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: Remember Two Things

Um, what two things?

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: blanchad@hamlet.uncg.edu
Time/Date: 3:09 PM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: Keyboards in DMB

Ok, upon listening to my tape from 11/92, I discovered that yes, Peter
was playing, and did make a contribution to the band.  But I don't
think that keyboards are vital to a band with the diversity of the
DMB.  With their instrumentation, keyboards just take time away from
the other players.

That said, I would still be very pleased if Doug became a member of
the band, as the hammond organ is distinctive enough, and Doug is
skilled enough to mesh well.
-- 
Daniel Blanchat           "One should always retain some control over his
blanchad@hamlet.uncg.edu   his actions, for when we act on instict alone
blanchat@plato.uncg.edu    we become as the demons that wish to become us."


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:28 PM Monday, November 1, 1993
Subject: Dave and electric

> and as to eric budke:
> >
> >Does Dave ever play electric?
>  
> no, it's not very conducive to his style.  one thing to notice
> is the fact that his acoustic guitars are actually made specifically
> to be plugged in.  i don't think they even have a hallow body.  his
> acoustic sound is what he's looking for.
> rick thompson     

     As far as I can tell, the soundholes on Dave's guitars are closed,
similar to a Gibson SST or Chet Atkins model.  The shallow body and closed
hole hamper its natural acoustic sound, but sound fine when amplified (the
resonated sound from the soundbox is not really needed to produce volume--
the string's effect on the sound comes through much stronger).  The main idea
behind this type of body is to eliminate the problems with feedback that one
can get using more traditional acoustic guitars.  The slimmer body also is a
little more comfortable for stage work, sort of like an electric.
     As to his style, I must agree.  His rythyms are basically leads and vice
versa.  That's what makes his style so unique and cool.


Posted By: baylorf@aol.com
Time/Date: 12:22 AM Tuesday, November 2, 1993
Subject: ADDTL CD COMMENTS

In reply to some of the comments and questions posted since the latest
clarification about the new CD, I offer the following:

The CD is based on live shows, since only "Minarets" and "Seek Up" are purely
studio recordings. However, the recordings have been overdubbed, remixed, and
otherwise improved. They are of a significantly higher quality than any live
tape of this band...and believe me, we have tapes of about all of 'em. While
I agree that the band could really shine in the studio, that will happen best
with a major-label budget. This product is an excellent introduction to the
band and will meet the immediate demands of the existing fan base. If most
DMB fans have to choose between this excellent record now, or waiting for a
truly studio LP in mid-'94 (which we will get anyway), I think they will
"vote with their pocketbooks" as the saying goes. We shall see.

In regard to the lyrics being included, this is always a quandry. However, I
think we get the best of both worlds, because while we will see clearly the
writing talent Dave has, the mystery will be retained because the lyrics, as
many of you know, change from show to show, and will continue to do so. So,
you will get the lyrics as of a certain night in October 1993, but it is not
by any means the definitive or permanent set. For the record, they will be
printed clearly and completely.

I hope as many of you as can will be in Charlottesville for the 9th...it
should be an amazing evening.


Posted By: jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:12 AM Tuesday, November 2, 1993
Subject: 6/26/93 TREE STRUCTURE!!

mail phish@phish.net, horde@world.std.com,
finewine@world.std.com, minaret@moose.uvm.edu
DAVE MATHEWS BAND TREE ARRIVES!
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL POSTING OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE DAVE MATHEWS
BAND TREE. FOLLOWING ARE: 1) instructions and comments, 2) the
structure itself, 3) show info and setlists, and 4) band info,
IDs, and description.
-
-   BIG YEAH to those who offered to dub, esp those (hoorah
Bart!) with particularly generous dubbing offers.  It's folks
like you that keep the generations low, the quality high, and
music right!
-   I simply can't do what I originally wanted, which was only
two levels below me; there are just too many folks, even given
those that dropped due to money or closeness to someone else on
the tree. But rest assured that only the best decks are parents,
and the very best are parents of parents.  About 80% of the
requests included an offer to be a parent, but the math won't
allow me to accept all of those offers.
-   However, this means that IF YOU MISSED THE TREE, there's a
good chance that you can hop on now.  Those that didnt offer to
dub became a 5; those that did but whose offer was not accepted
became a 3 or a 4, on the presumption that, if someone not yet on
the tree wants to be, they can easily find someone who offered to
tape and who is closer to the top of the structure.
-   Email with any problems pronto.
-
-   Branch parents: your tapes are being dubbed on a constant
rotation.  Email me when you see this (Ill try to reach you in
the meantime).  Go ahead and send a list, if you have one.
-   Midlevel parents: get in touch with you parents pronto and
get a trade agreement set up so youll all be ready when the tapes
start roaring through. Also, please make an effort to find your
children/leaves, many of whom have never been on a tree before
and some of whom have no tapes to trade.
-   Leaves:  Look for your parents and mail them a list, if you
have one. Otherwise, hold tight; they're on the way!
-
1: tapes from Ellis; have children
2: tapes from a "1"; have children
3: tapes from a "1"; no children; offerred to parent
4: tapes from a "1" or "2"; no children; didnt offer to dub
-
1  Eric Cobb      elc@cellar.org
  2  Jeremy         JEROTTON@apollo.davidson.edu
    4  Will Seay   seawa@vac.rhodes.edu
    4  Natt May   namay@apollo.davidson.edu
  2  Richard Caplan   rcaplan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
    4  Darren Cokin   cokin@scf.usc.edu
    4  Brian Hauser   hauserbt@pine.circa.ufl.edu
    4  Mike Bridgett   X53N%SLUMUS.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
    4  Mike Samojlik   samojlim@carleton.edu
  2  Rhett Baldwin   jrbaldwi@eos.ncsu.edu
    4  John Gershenson   gersh937@uidaho.edu
    4  Josh Nicontra   jonicotra@vaxsar@vassar.edu
  2  Bruce Willner    brucew@fred.colorado.edu
    4  Daniel W. Schar   dan@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu
    4  Andrew Roberston   anjrober@journalism.indiana.edu
    4  Adam Brucker   abrucker@center.colgate.edu
    4  Rob Toutkoushian   toutkous@vx.cis.umn.edu
1  John Claiborne   jclaibor@ucs.indiana.edu
  2  Doug Budzak   dbudzak%ivy@uicum.uic.edu
    4  Dan Greenwood   danielg@midd.bitnet
    4  Pete Herr   paherr@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
    4  Andrew Sweetman  STU1043@discover.Wright.edu
    4  David Payne   dpayne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
  2  Brian Skalinder  skalinde@kenyon.edu
    4  Rob Sweeney  sweeney2@student.msu.edu
    4  Reid Spice  SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
    4  Russ Adamson   Radamson@center.colgate.edu
    4  nebuious@aol.com
  2  David Merrill   david.merrill@dartmouth.edu
    4  Jonathan Wolfe x47721a3@usma10.usma.edu
    4  Dave Koch   drkock@colby.edu
    4  Andrew Murphy  ar_murphy@smcvax.smcut.edu
    4  Roland Mechler   mechler@cs.ubc.ca
  2  Michael Formica   MFOR8178@URIACC.URI.EDU
    4  Laura Jane Hoffman  cuiajh@gsusgi2.gsu.edu
    4  Richard Yaker  ryaker@endeavor.radsci.ucla.edu
    4  Gregg Cohen  GCOGEN@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU
    4  Susan Deutsch   sdeutsch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
  3  Ramsey Ravanel    Ravenel@HUSC2.Harvard.edu
    4  Brett Horton   stu_behorton@vax1.acc.jmu.edu
    4  Stacey Goldberg   SHG103@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
1  Andy Zaff      abz@world.std.com 
  2  Barry Caplin   bc@nag.com2
    4  Merc Pittinos   mercp@acpub.duke.edu
    4  Doug Dixon   djdixon@indiana.edu
    4  Hamish Bowman  mibowman@ccmail.sunysb.edu
    4  Nate Holtz  nate@anasazi.com
  2  Danny Rilerra dgr@chem.ucsd.edu
    4  Michael Sannella  sannella@cs.washington.edu
    4  Jim Pixton  pixton@jensen.cs.utah.edu
    4  James Hirvonen   hirvonen@world.std.com
    4  Andrew Ager   ada93001@uconnvm.uconn.edu
  3  Ben Brainard  006@dartmouth.edu
  3  Nessim Wayson  swatso@asc.upenn.edu
1  Rich Fromm     fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
  3  Ian Harbilasiharbila@moose.uvm.edu
  3  Graham Spice gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
  3  Craig Iannazzi  cpi9238@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
  3  BJ D'Avella bdavella@student.princeton.edu
1  Bart   73234.3000@compuserve.com
  3  Jim Meagher   meagherja@urvax.edu
  3  David Hamilton   daveh@shell.portal.com
  3  Keller Foster   fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
  3  Mitchell Goodman   mrriot@aol.com
  3  Brett Kingswell   bmking@mail.um.edu
  3  Kim Long  klong@sura.net
  3  Brendon   nodo@aol.com
  3  Kelly Bancroft   74640.437@compuserve.edu
  3  Brian Modzinski   bjm1109@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
1  Matt Laurence  matt@frankie.cs.umass.edu 
  3  Daniel B. Gold   Daniel_Gold@postoffice.brown.edu
  3  Annie Groeninger   groening@cse.ogi.edu
  3  Jens Rodenberg  jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
  3  Robbie Sedgewick   rds@algorithms.princeton.edu
  3  Grant Kushida  KREYTAK@delphi.com
1  Bill Shaw      bills@sco.com              
  3  Michael Graff   MED92@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
  3  Bill Logan  wwlogan@colby.edu
  3  Dave   ST002314@brownvm.brown.edu
  3  Rob Lewis  roblew@netcom.com
1  Jamie Treworgy   jamie@access.digex.net
  3  Chris Klebl   klebl@ucsu.colorado.edu
  3  Joseph A. Vastola Jr.   vastolj@alleg.edu
  3  Rob Allen   akcs.rob24@vpnet.chi.il.us
  3  Mark Hamilton   hamilton@email.unc.edu
  3  Corey Shapiro   cmshapir@lime.wustl.edu
1  Charlie Whitacker   caw9c@dayhoff.med.virginia.edu
  3  Haskin Hollyanna   haskin@ucsu.colorado.edu
  3  Shawn Peters   gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
  4  Ben Tidell   bat8c@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
  3  Tilden White   tilden@mickey.eng.gulfaero.com
    4  Brett David   brett@minnie.eng.gulfaero.com
1  Joe Rioux      jtr@softdesk.com
  4  Rick Thompson   STU_RCTHOMPS@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
  3  Brian Lipmam    chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
  3  Jeff Harrington   jeh2e@cornell.edu
  3  Scott Shurr   face@world.std.com
1  Matt Wallerstein   MD_WALLENSTE@ACAD.FANDM.EDU
  3  Dave Engelman    gc931000@Pacevm.dac.pace.edu
  3  Howard Turkenkopf   ST910504@pip.cc.brandeis.edu  
  3  Mike Miyake   mymiyake@midway.uchicago.edu
  3  Kurt Salloux   salloux@seas.ucla.edu
  3  Kevin Kulic  kevink21@aol.com
  3  Juan Carlos Muniz  BH7N@MusicB.McGill.Ca
-
The Tapes:   6-26-93  The Bayou  Washington, DC
-
Tape 1 (Set One with Filler)
-   Side A:              Side B:
Dancing Nancies        Recently
Lie In Our Graves      Tripping Billies
Satellite                fill: 12-9-92
Granny                 WATCHTOWER
Warehouse              The Maker (Daniel Lanois)
One Sweet World        Spotlight
-                      Two Step
-
Tape 2 (Set Two with Filler)
-   Side A:             Side B:
Seek Up                Minarets*
True Reflections       Blue Water
Typical Situation      What Would You Say
Dangerous Hours        Halloween
Pay For What You Get      fill: 10-5-93
Ants Marching          Jimi Thing
-                      Pay For What You Get
-
*formerly called Screaming from the Minarets and on the
forthcoming disc (Release party Nov. 9 at TRAX, Charlottesville,
VA; 804-295-TRAX).
-
The Members:
Dave Mathews -- guitar, vocals (amazing voice!)
Carter Beauford -- percussion, vocals  (jam on!)
Stefan Lessard -- bass (thump and grind, and he's 18!!)
LeRoi Moore -- woodwinds (esp saxophone!!, flute), vocals
Boyd Tinsley -- violin (read: FIDDLE!!!), vocals
-
The Band:
-    The Dave Mathews Band draws from the distinct talents and
styles of its five members to create a uniquely compelling pop
sound that combines the influences of folk, jazz, rock, world
beat, and reggae.  Some of it seems like a cross between Bob
Dylan, Hot Tuna, and Michael Stipe, parts are remniscent of a
funky Miles Daves, and parts sound like the Seldom Scene and
Ziggy Stardust mixed together. Dave Mathews, the band's namesake
and formerly a Charlottesville bartender, began assembling the
group in 1991.  A self-taught guitarist and an inspiring poet
from South Africa, Dave Mathews has said that the goal of his
music is "lifting spirits" and this band reaches that goal.
Carter Beauford, a past regular on BET (Black Entertainment
Television) and son of a jazz trumpet player, helps tie the
band's various elements together.  Stefan has played upright bass
in clubs since he was 15, was 16 when DMB was formed, and
continues to get more powerful and controlled every show.  LeRoi
has played with Carter and John D'Earth (amazing trumpet
player!!; catch him on Bruce Hornsby's new disc and on a 60-show
tour with Hornsby this fall) at paying gigs and informal jam
sessions around Charlottesville for years; the man can jam!!
-   Last, but certainly not least, Boyd Tinsley: he doesn't like
to sing (but sounds great when he does), but man can he play that
fiddle!  At three HORDE shows this summer, as well as at the Red
Rocks Amphitheatre, the crowd went NUTS each time Boyd appeared.
Boyd played as wonderfully to that crowd of some 9,000 in July as
he did on a lawn, in the rain, for ten folks sitting in grass
last May.  He's cool-natured and friendly beyond belief; all he
wants is to play, and boy can he!  You ain't heard Watchtower
until you've heard the DMB's arrangement with Boyd's SMOKING
solo!
-    DMB has played ALL over Virginia, but has also played dates
in SC, NC, GA, AL, NY, IL, CO, MD, DC, TN, and I can't begin to
remember where else. You may have seen them or heard about them
playing Feb. 6 at the Ritz (NYC) playing with members of the
Allmans, Widespread, PHISH, Blues Traveler, and I've forgotten
who else.  Their current schedule will appear in a future post,
but begins with:
-
Tues, Nov. 2: TRAX, Charlottesville, VA
Wed, Nov. 3: Floodzone, Richmond, VA
Thurs, Nov. 4: The Attic, Greenville, NC
Sat, Nov. 6: St. Christopher's School, Richmond, VA

-- 
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
      "Sophisticated technology makes the superstitious
       and irrational seem reasonable."--Abbie Hoffman
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
       Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:29 AM Tuesday, November 2, 1993
Subject: DMB Tree Corollary

1)  Those who are leaves that did not offer to dub are 4s, not
5s; those that offered to dubs are 3s, not 3s or 4s.  (I was able
to collapse a couple of branches upwards by deciding to make 12
copies instead of 9.)

2)  The tapes are two 100 (one hundered) minute tapes, so be
prepared. These babies are packed to the end, and you wouldnt
want to miss it.  (Fillers chosen by the band's management.)

-- 
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
      "Sophisticated technology makes the superstitious
       and irrational seem reasonable."--Abbie Hoffman
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
       Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:24 PM Tuesday, November 2, 1993
Subject: keyboards on 11-17-92

in response to Daniel Blanchat:
>
>Ok, upon listening to my tape from 11/92, I discovered that yes, Peter
>was playing, and did make a contribution to the band.  But I don't
>think that keyboards are vital to a band with the diversity of the
>DMB.  With their instrumentation, keyboards just take time away from
>the other players.
>
although 11-17-92(i assume this is the particular show you speak of)
is one of the best tapes i own, i find that peter's work is mixed
much to far forward, and even ruin's halloween and typical.  look
to some other shows, if you can find them, particularly 3-23-93
and van ryper's 92(watch for an upcoming tree), and you can see
exactly what feel peter should really provide for the band.
 
>That said, I would still be very pleased if Doug became a member of
>the band, as the hammond organ is distinctive enough, and Doug is
>skilled enough to mesh well.
>--
 
my thoughts here are that although doug is a very impressive hammond
organ player, i feel(IMNSHO) that there are only a few songs in dave's set
that sound right with hammond organ.  i really enjoy doug's touch
when he does sit in, but i really don't think i'd like him to join
the band.
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: nmayer@uva386.schools.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 5:22 PM Tuesday, November 2, 1993
Subject: New song

i am wondering also about the new song that drew spoke of. i
was at HSC with drew's brother and i don't think that that song
had anything to do with a quick lay and goodbye. nor did it
have any references to cheap wine??????

some of the lyrics are as follows:

"We dance between how we are and what we appear to be, and oh
god how it grows, this confusion inside us all, and remember
the echo that we know so well is shared by everyone everywhere"

"As I lay by your side, the questions they won't hide
themselves away, feeling oh but... tired again"

Does anyone out there have any idea the two things that we are
supposed to remember?

thanks to drew for the information on this thing

--Stephen Mayer


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:51 AM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: Christmas Song

If anyone has any hints as Dave's playing on the Christmas Song, please clue
me in...it's a great song and works well solo.  Thanks,

          Shawn Peters


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 10:54 AM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: THEY PLAYED LOVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

last nights show was by far one of the most incredible dave matthews
shows i've ever seen, and everybody i've talked to about it agrees.
dave opened the show with an acoustic set, which i haven't seen him
do in quite some time(although, i know he has done it).  the first set
looks something like this:
rhyme or reason  *
...new song      *
i'll back you up *
jimi thing
typical situation
true reflections
lie in our graves
warehouse
granny
rhyme or reason
 
*--acoustic
 
rumors were floating that had played lover as a soundcheck and so
a lot of us were hoping for the best coming into the second set,
which he opend with (another long lost fav--)best of what's around.
after a pretty standard song that jane likes, dave got behind the
microphone and started babbling about a song he hadn't played in
a while.  then they broke into lover lay down, with a little help
from a flautist, who's name escapes me.  i've seen him play with
the band before, and his addition to warehouse, lover lay down,
and sax on a coupla others was really great.
 
--set II
best of what's around
song that jane likes
lover lay down
what would you say
two step
seek up
--:e
...new song(again)  *
doobie thing-->
happy b-day jam-->
ants marching
 
the happy b-day jam was in celebration of carter's b-day. he turned
16 yesterday.  or was that 22?  ;)  at any rate, it was phenomenal.
my tapes turned out _primo_ and me and gregg are going to run a tree
sometime soon.  it's the first time either one of us has attempted to
run a tree so it might take a little time.  plus, my seek up didn't
turn out, so i'm sending it to one of the other 6 recorders (that's
right, there's 7 master's of this show) to have it redone.  which
reminds me, the tree will have a dat branch.
 
at any rate, we can only hope that next
tuesday will be as good, and if it is, whoa, watch out...
 
ps- i've seen the poster, and it's impressive...
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 1:22 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: Wetlands second set

Someone who was at the show that I met there just sent me the setlist
for the second set.  She didn't jhave it for the first set.  

Minarets, Typical Situation, Satellites

Set II
What would you say, Tripping Hillbillies, Nancies, Lie in Your Graves,
True Reflection, Christmas Song, Watchtower, Recently, Haloween

This should fill in the gap for that night.
-- 
Eric Budke    budkee@unvax.union.edu      Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Com)			  Schenectady NY 12308
(518)388-6446 	 			    518-388-5615
God Street Wine and Allman Brothers Mailing list administrator
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Posted By: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 4:06 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: sax/flute guy

Somebody (I think they're from Sewanee) asked about the guy who sat in with
the band at the Wetlands. I think his name was Chris (I'm not sure, though),
and the last name did sound something like Hardy or Harding. Was that the same guy who sat in last night in ch'ville?

                                                  -drew devereux


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 4:27 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: Help Me Please!

Hello Marching Ants,

Please help me.  I am trying to put together a Blues Traveler Setlists File
and a BT FAQ file.  With all the nets and information around I feel it is
the least we can do for Popper and the boys.  
So if anyone has setlists or helpful information (about the bamd or about
how to set this stuff up) please email me.  This can only work with your
support and I really hope we can all put this together.   All help would be
appreciated.

                                        Thanks in advance, 

                                                Brian Lipman  :-}

                                        chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu




<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>Hey man, the only reason I'm lettin' you have shotgun is because I'm
goin' inside to play some foosball.  -Slater   :-}
------------                                    chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu 
Brian Lipman \----------          @    @        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Northwestern University \------     !      Well, I guess I should play 
Allison 3002, 1820 Chicago Ave |  \    /   some shit you guys know 
Evanston, Illinois  60201-3856 |   \__/    afterall, because the people 
--------------------------------           here at Wetlands are paying me. 
I'm Hungry.  Let's get a taco.-Mr. White   tonight.  -John Popper 6.24.93
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 5:03 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: watch for the new faq, coming soon...

later this week i'm going to post the entire minarets.faq here.  it's
considerably longer now than it used to be, running b/w 25-30 pages.  if
your digesting these days, then my apologies, but i get the impression
that there are a fair amount of people around who could use the info
presented in the last half of the faq.  i've added a very in depth
section on taping etiquette, as in trading, tape trees, et al.  it
will provide an enormous amount of info to the beginners out there
who are looking to expand their collections.
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 5:42 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: how to get the cd if your store won't carry it...

in case your wondering how you can get the cd when the closest store
selling it is 600 miles away, i've decided to post the mail order
address.  i'm copying directly off of the tour dates schedule.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To order the Dave Matthews Band CD, 'REMEMBER TWO THINGS,' send the
following info to:
DAVE MATTHEWS BAND
PO BOX 1911
CHARLOTTESVILLE VA 22903
You can pay by filling out the credit card info below or by enclosing
a check or money order for $16.50($14.00 + $2.50 for S & H) made out to
DMB.  You will receive a free DMB sticker with your purchase.
 
SHIP TO:____________________________________________________
 
ADDRESS:____________________________________________________
 
CITY:___________________________STATE:______ZIP:____________
 
MC/VISA NUMBER:_____________________________________________
 
EXP. DATE___________SIGNATURE_______________________________
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
REMEMBER: this is an independently released cd and needs some really
good word of mouth to spread it around.  even if you mail order the
disc, hound your record stores until they decide to carry it.
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 6:27 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: about the CD

I'm planning on seeing DMB open for the Aquarium Rescue Unit on the 12th. 
I'll be annoying local stores anyway, but will I be able to get the disc
at a show?


------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 7:38 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: DMB Descriptions Needed!

Okay, pholks. As one of my various occupations, I write the press
releases and listings for TRAX every week and then batch fax them
all over the state to newspapers, magazines, etc.

First question: With each announced performance, I give a brief
description of the act. eg Gibb Droll was "Hendrix-esque guitar
pyrotechnics" and The Authority was "most popular funk band in
New York".  For DMB, I feel like I've run out of good
descriptions. So, give me 3-6 words, something that'll fit on the
line along with the name and the date.  These things are DIMP
(significantly important, for the weak-hearted vocabularists),
especially in catching newswriters' attention and getting them to
give an extra special boost to publicity efforts for the band and
their shows. If I just keep saying "Central Virginia's favorite
college rockers" or "original, unique, and smoking" I'm both
communicating virtually nil about their sound and missing the
point, which is to help make them sound amazing to folks that
havent heard them, as well as to folks that have heard of them
100's of times but, we think, could always give them a little
more print play. Post em to the net, or send em to me. I need a
new one once a week by 11 pm on Sunday. Thanks!

Second question: If you know of any Virginia (esp. Central VA)
newspapers (esp. student run papers at schools besides UVA),
magazines (esp. youth, college, or music oriented), newsletters,
tabloids, etc that might make mention of DMB and TRAX events,
please get me their name, a contact person, and a fax number
(phone number if you don't have one.)

Third question: if anyone knows some tricky mechanism to just
squeeze in a couple of more hours between 2 am and 6 am (the most
productive hours of the day for freaks, it seems), Id love to
hear them. :)

-- 
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
      "Sophisticated technology makes the superstitious
       and irrational seem reasonable."--Abbie Hoffman
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
       Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:49 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: November dates.

This is the current touring schedule for the Dave Matthews Band.
 
...
Wed, Nov. 3: Floodzone, Richmond, VA
Thurs, Nov. 4: The Attic, Greenville, NC
Fri, Nov. 5: Ziggy's, Winston-Salem, NC
Sat, Nov. 6: St. Christopher's School, Richmond, VA
Tues, Nov. 9: TRAX, Charlottesville, VA  **CD RELEASE PARTY**
Wed, Nov. 10: Flood Zone, Richmond, VA
Thur, Nov. 11: Pearl St, Northhampton, MA **with AQ RESCUE UNIT**
Fri, Nov. 12: Paradise Club, Boston, MA  **with AQ RESCUE UNIT**
Sat, Nov. 13: Trinity College, Hartford, CT
Tues, Nov. 16: TRAX, Charlottesville, VA **with GOD STREET WINE**
Wed, Nov. 17: Flood Zone, Richmond, VA
Thur, Nov. 18: Mad Monk, Wilmington, NC
Fri, Nov. 19: Music Farm, Charleston, SC
Sat, Nov 20: Georgia Theatre, Athens, GA
Tue, Nov 23: TRAX, Charlottesville, VA
Wed, Nov 24: Flood Zone, Richmond, VA
Fri, Nov 26: Peppermint Beach Club, Va Beach, VA
Sat, Nov 27: The Bayou, Washington DC
Mon, Nov. 29: Wilson Hall Auditorium, JMU, Harrisonburg, VA
Tue, Nov. 30: TRAX, Charlottesville, VA
 
About Tuesday nights:
 
>The number for TRAX (in Charlottesville, VA) is (804) 295-TRAX (8729, i
>think). If you call and get voice mail, you can hit 1 for concert info (2 is
>to leave a message; do this only for serious inquiries and important stuff,
>please.)  If you're driving in from out of town, let them know that at the
>door, especially if you're driving in from out of state. I think they'd like
>to know that, and if they know that folks are driving as much as some of you
>are (four hours? wow!), then there's a good chance that some gigs could be
>added closer, to meet that demand. So walk on down to TRAX, tromp through
>that door, and say, "Hi! I'm a Minaret Head from ______. This is gonna be a
>great show!"
>
>For most shows, doors open at 9 p.m, tickets are $6(tack on an extra
>dollar if your under 21), and the show starts around 10:30-11:00.
>Some nights, DMB is out of town and TRAX features !ALMA! or the
>Charlottesville All-Stars, both of which are various combinations of
>members of other great local bands: Indecision, TR3 (check out Tim
>Reynolds!!!!!!), etc, and also includes some members of The Dave Matthews
>_Band_ such as Boyd, Leroi, and Carter.
>
>For the most part, DMB plays TRAX on Tuesdays and (I think this part is still
>right) the Floodzone (Richmond, VA) on Wednesdays. On some occasions, as
>there was last night (10/19), there may be an opening band. Last night was
>the Hatters, formerly the Mad Hatters. (To note, their soundman, Ben Folsom,
>used to be the soundman for the Jolly Llamas and was, in the interim, house
>sound dude at TRAX.)
>
>--
>Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
>      "Sophisticated technology makes the superstitious
>       and irrational seem reasonable."--Abbie Hoffman
>-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
>-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
>       Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...
>
 
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 7:58 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: DMB w/ GSW at TRAX

I was told from the GSW people that there would be free admission to
this show with a Jerry band ticket stub from that night.  Thought I'd
pass along the word.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I did double
check this and I'm not tryign to spread any nasty rumors.
-- 
Eric Budke    budkee@unvax.union.edu      Union College Box 241
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Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 8:05 PM Wednesday, November 3, 1993
Subject: DMB w/ GSW at TRAX

Scratch that last post.  It is the Floodzone GSW show that is free
admis. with a Jerry Band tix.
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Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:13 AM Thursday, November 4, 1993
Subject: Tuesday's show...

I agree with Rick completely about the Tuesday Trax show...it was awesome.  A
few things he left out:
 
The crowd...amazing...one of the most calm, friendly, mellow groups I've seen
at a DMB show at Trax in a loooooong time.  I can only hope next week is so
good.
 
On Peter...this is from Dave...Apparently Peter left only because the schedule
was too much and he was tired of it...Dave didn't seem apprehensive at all
about discussing the Peter situation, but said he wasn't going to play People
People because he and Pete wrote it together.  He did say he'd like to record
it sometime.
 
On the Poster...Cool...no other word for it...Remember two things...the two
things on the poster...hope you all can see it as quickly as I did.  Takes some
time for most folks.
 
On the flute...Richard Harding is his name and he's a really nice guy.  I saw
him at my first DMB show a little over a year ago, but Tuesday was the first
time I met him.
 
On a keyboardist...Dave said they aren't really looking.
 
That's about it...read y'all later...
 
*******************The devious gelatin holding me fast*************************
*  Gregg Carrier                               stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu  *
*  JMU Box 1734              :) ;) :D :P                                      *
*  Harrisonburg, VA  22807                     (703) JMU-KIND                 *
****************I try to move now but you let me move last*********************


Posted By: WOTTONGM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:47 AM Thursday, November 4, 1993
Subject: Hatters

I read about the band the Hatters in the latest digest.  If someone
has some information or tapes of the band contact me at
wottongm@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu.  I read about them in Relix magazine.
They are supposedly great. Thanks,
                                      Gordon


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 8:30 AM Thursday, November 4, 1993
Subject: Ziggys in Winston Salem

Does anybody have the phone number to Ziggy's (where Dave is playing 
Friday night)?  I'd like to call them and get directions, I've never
been there.  Any comments on the venue?  Good crowd?  Good acoustics?

-Dave


Posted By: blanchad@hamlet.uncg.edu
Time/Date: 10:59 AM Thursday, November 4, 1993
Subject: Re: Ziggys in Winston Salem

I don't know Ziggy's address, however:

To get to ziggy's from I-40, take BUSINESS 40, not I-40.  This means
coming from the east, in greensboro, take the Kernersville/Business 40
exit right after the Sandy Ridge Road exit.  Then take the Cherry
Street exit from Bus-40.  Follow Cherry Street (its 1 way) all the way
past the W-S LJVM Coliseum.  Turn RIGHT on Baity street, which is the
first street past the Deacon Blvd light (right past Cactus Jacks Steak
House).  Ziggy's is on the left, past Music Loft.

Notes about Ziggy's:  This can be a cool club, but they tend to let it
get over crowded.  Its owned by the same guy who owns Tracks in
C'ville.  They've got great accoustics, and the bar is well laid out.
However, its semi-open air, so you may wanna bring a jacket.  Tapers
get there early, because when it gets crowded, you will have a hard
time setting up.  I recommend taping from the first rail, at the (())
mark on the rail if you're using mikes.  I have alwayas gotten
excellent results from this location.  Its stereo center for the room,
and close enough that you can use omni caps and not get a lot of crowd
noise, making for some really sweet tapes.  You may want to bring an
extention cord aand some duct tape, so that you don't need to run from
batteries.
-- 
Daniel Blanchat           "One should always retain some control over his
blanchad@hamlet.uncg.edu   his actions, for when we act on instict alone
blanchat@plato.uncg.edu    we become as the demons that wish to become us."


Posted By: daveh@shell.portal.com
Time/Date: 6:57 PM Thursday, November 4, 1993
Subject: Red Rocks Set List (9/19/93)???

Does anyone have the set list that DMB played at Red Rocks?  I was at the
show (where I first hear/heard of the band) and I'd love to know the songs
that they played.  Thanks...

							-Dave

P.S.  Have a nice day.
--
Remember:  If you have to ask, you don't want to know why.

                                -Dave Hamilton (daveh@shell.portal.com)


Posted By: fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 7:05 PM Thursday, November 4, 1993
Subject: "My Blood"

                JUST AN OBSERVATION ABOUT "WAREHOUSE", HAS ANYONE ELSE
NOTICED THE "THAT'S MY BLOOD DOWN THERE" PART IS FROM THE NEVILLE BROTHERS
"MY BLOOD" OFF OF THEIR YELLOW MOON ALBUM?  A FRIEND AND I PICKED UP ON IT
AND THIS WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IN "MY BLOOD" THEY REFER TO AFRICA.  HE
DID PLAY WITH THEM THIS SUMMER, MAYBE SOME CONNECTION?  WHERE IS DAVE
REALLY FROM?  I KNOW HE HAS LINKS TO AFRICA.  CAN ANYONE TELL ME ANY OF HIS
BIOGRAPHY?
                
                THANKS, KELLER


Posted By: janet48384@aol.com
Time/Date: 7:11 PM Thursday, November 4, 1993
Subject: Dave Matthews Band minaret net

Will you please add my address to the minaretnet.
This is an address in the office of Dave Matthews Band so it would be helpful
if we had direct access to all of the information passing through this
network. 
Thanks,
Jane

My address is janet48384@aol.com


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 2:03 AM Friday, November 5, 1993
Subject: Paradise at the Paradise, next Friday!

Hell all you netters.  I was wondering who was going to be at the Boston
show next Friday.  I think it would be great for people to come out and
show some support for the guys so they come back up here.

Whaddya say?

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: BH7N@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA
Time/Date: 6:35 AM Friday, November 5, 1993
Subject: Greg Howard (Bass Player)

Did anyone out there happen to catch Greg Howard play bass on the
"chapman stick" this summer when Stephan broke his hand? What
is this instrument and how do you play it?  He plays a solo and
I though it was actually a duet with Dave until I heard Dave comment
on how Greg only uses two hands!Does anyone know ?
 
Kwon


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 9:05 AM Friday, November 5, 1993
Subject: *** Dave Matthews 10/26 Tree

This is the THIRD and FINAL announcement. Please do NOT submit a form
if you already have!!



Announcement for the 10/26/93 Dave Matthews Band tree
-----------------------------------------------------

This is an analog ONLY tree.
Cut and paste the form below to apply to the tree. 
Send form/questions to:
     dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Deadline for tree signup is: NOVEMBER 8, 1993.  (That's gonna be firm, too)

This tree will be distributing two 90 minute tapes containing the Dave
Matthews Band show at Trax in Charlottesville on 10/26/93.  The seed is
the master from the soundboard.  The setlist for 10/26 is as follows:

Tape 1:  Set 1
Side A                               Side B
(new song, don't know the name) *    Seek Up
    (possibly A Quick Lay & Goodbye)
I'll Back You Up *                   Dancing Nancies
Drive In, Drive Out *                The Song That Jane Likes
All Along The Watchtower *           Help Myself
Two Step *
Jimi Thing
* - Dave Solo

Tape 2:  Set 2 and Encore
Side A                               Side B
Ants Marching                        Tripping Billies
Lie In Our Graves                    One Sweet World
Screaming From The Minarets          Halloween (Drum Solo)
Blue Water
Typical Situation


NOTE:  True Reflection was played between Seek Up and Dancing
Nancies, but is missing due to technical fault (somebody accidentally
shut my deck off!).

I haven't selected what filler I will use, but be assured, it will 
be equally good quality.


--------cut here-------------
Name: _
Email address: _
Postal Mail address: _

Noise Reduction (Dolby B,C, or none): _
Tape Type: _

If you are a branch, will you be sending me trades or blanks? _

Are you willing to make copies for others? _
How many copies are you willing to make for others? _

Describe your taping setup: _





-----------cut here-----------------


Posted By: nmayer@uva386.schools.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 7:15 PM Friday, November 5, 1993
Subject: Taping

Does anyone know if the release of DMB's CD is going to affect
taping from the soundboard?


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 9:13 PM Friday, November 5, 1993
Subject: the hatters...

i don't really know that much about the hatters, but i do know that
they recently put out a live cd.  though the musicians are very
talented, they tend to put too much effort into sounding exactly
like blues traveler.  i feel they could be much better if they
started looking for a more original feeling.  i would have to say,
though, that you should keep an eye out for them to be in next years
horde.
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 9:29 PM Friday, November 5, 1993
Subject: back issues...

hey, i'm gonna start downloading digests onto floppy, so that in
the future, back issues will be available.  if anyone happens to
have digests 1-11,13, or 15, could you send them to me?  as
far as current availability of back issues go...
for right now i can forward digests 12,14,16-18 to any new
subscriber who wants them, but that will change in the middel of
next week.
btw, i'm going out of town this weekend, so all requests will be
processed next week.
 
thanx everyone...
 
FYI-the minarets FAQ and lyrics file are available by requesting to
the address below.
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 3:21 AM Saturday, November 6, 1993
Subject: Back-catalouge of DIGESTS has been sent to rick

just so rick doesn't get multiple copies of digest 2-11, 13, and 15 (lots
of mailbox space!), i thought i'd tell the net i sent 'em to him.  he may
still need the first one, though.  i hope someone else hadn't already done
it.

oh, while i'm here, i should tell y'all that i finally got to hear some
live DMB tapes tonight and that i'm going to the ARU/DMB show in Boston
(yipeee!).  cool tunes....  i'm psyched!

love,daniel

----gnome boy-------


Posted By: blanchad@hamlet.uncg.edu
Time/Date: 3:28 AM Saturday, November 6, 1993
Subject: digests?

am I missing something?  I have only been receiving undigested
messages.  Is there ALSO a digest, or are there two lists, one of
people who get the mail split up, and one who get the mail digested?
If the latter is the case, I'll stay on the split up list, but I would
rather not miss anything.

BTW, tonight's show at Ziggy's was really intense.  I'll leave the set
list to one of the more anal out there :-) :-) :-) awesome
encore...best watchtower I've heard.

Dan
-- 
Daniel Blanchat           "One should always retain some control over his
blanchad@hamlet.uncg.edu   his actions, for when we act on instict alone
blanchat@plato.uncg.edu    we become as the demons that wish to become us."


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 12:25 PM Saturday, November 6, 1993
Subject: Greg Howard

I happened to catch those shows with Greg Howard and he was absolutely 
amazing.  He plays a bass that stands up on end (like a regular acoustic bass 
you'd see in a classy jazz band or an orchestra or something).  However, it's 
much more thin and, as I recall, it had 8 strings.  4 of the strings seemed 
to be low strings and probably in the same arrangement as a bass (E, A, D, 
G).  Then there were 4 strings on the other side that were an octave higher.  
The amazing thing is that he plays both sets of strings at the same time by 
fretting the strings really hard.  The sound is really rich and the man can 
really jam by himself.  I remember at the Trax show I saw that he played some 
long solo thing (maybe with Dave?) that was unbelievable.  The only person 
I've ever seen who has a similar style is the jazz guitarist Stanley Jordan 
who plays two guitars at once (with the same technique of fretting the 
strings really hard to get the notes to sound).  And likewise, Stanley can 
really make some incredible music by himself (check out his album "Standards, 
vol. 1").  The show I saw with Greg on bass was very good but I got the 
impression that they hadn't been able to teach him too many of the songs 
because they didn't play too many that night and there was a lot of filler 
stuff.  I think Dave might have started out that show by himself playing for 
about 50 minutes -- which was a treat in itself.  

Reid -SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 6:31 PM Saturday, November 6, 1993
Subject:

Dan Blanchat wrote:

>BTW, tonight's show at Ziggy's was really intense.  I'll leave the set
>list to one of the more anal out there :-) :-) :-) awesome
>encore...best watchtower I've heard.

Anal!!?!! Me???  Ok, well, I'm gonna post the set lists, so maybe I
am. ;-)

First, a review of the evening:  It was my first visit to Ziggy's,
and, as somebody pointed out last week, it tends to get overcrowded. Big
time overcrowded.  If it wasn't for such a great show, I would have been
miserable there.  I'm not sure if I'll go back, I may just stick
with Trax.

Set 1:
	Granny
	One Sweet World
	Warehouse
	Lie In Our Graves
	Help Myself
	Satellite
	The Song That Jane Likes
	Tripping Billies
Set 2:
	Ants Marching
	Jimithing
	A Quick Lay & Goodbye (#2)
	Minarets
	Typical Situation
	Dancing Nancies
	What Would You Say
	True Reflection
Encores:
	All Along The Watchtower
	Lover Lay Down
	Recently

What a show.  A few notes:  Leroi and Stephan played a nice into to 
Satellite that I hadn't heard before.  It was a few minutes long, and
really nice and mellow.  Too bad some drunk fools were standing right
in front of Leroi while he's playing screaming "ANTS MARCHING!!!" 
over and over.  What a way to reck a vibe.

See my next post for details on "A Quick Lay & Goodbye"

-Dave


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 6:36 PM Saturday, November 6, 1993
Subject: Song titles

OK, a couple of points:

1)  Last night at Ziggy's, Dave introduced that song as "Help Myself".
    That's the second time I've heard him refer to it as such, so,
    hopefully this will end the Help Myself/Dangerous Hours debate.

2)  Dave played a new song last night.  Apparently he has two sets
    of lyrics for it.  Somebody last week on the net referred to it
    as "A Quick Lay and Goodbye".  The first version of this song
    that I heard was at Trax on the 26th.  The recurring phrase was
    something about "Cheap Wine".  Last night at Ziggy's, the
    recurring phrase was "Tomorrow We'll Return as Friends".  I've
    been referring to these as AQL&G #1 and #2, can anybody think of
    something a bit more creative?  Whichever set of lyrics Dave
    picks to use, it's gonna be a great song.  Really cool riffs and
    nice, semi-sad/wistful lyrics.

-Dave


Posted By: STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 9:01 PM Saturday, November 6, 1993
Subject: DMB: Spread the word

As Ben said it would be great if we all turned out for some of the
upcoming northeast shows.  Unfortunatley, for some of us that is a bit
difficult if not impossible.  Anyway the point is I would like everyone to
talk to your friends who go to school up there and talk up these shows
and try to establish a northeast fan base.  In case you haven't seen the
schedule here are the three northeast shows:
   Nov 11th  Pearl St     North Hampton, Ma   with Aquarium Rescue Unit
       12th  Paradise Club    Boston, Ma.     "                       "
       13th  Trinity College  Hartford, CT
The shows with ARU might be a little steep, probably about $15 or so but
should be well worth the ticket price.
 
The next order of business refers to Greg Howard.  The man is incredible.
I misss
(oops)  I missed the show this summer in which he filled in for Stephan
when he cut his hand but I was lucky  enough to catch him at Trax on
9/7/93.  He played for about a half hour between DMB sets and was
fantastic.  It was truly amazing to watch him play the Chapman Stick
and I would strongly encourage anyone to check him out if you get the
chance sometime.  At this show he also played with a drummer, Johnny
Newman, I think was his name and they meshed well.  Supposedly Newman
has played with DMB too.  Anyone know anything about this?  Anyway, after
the show I bought Greg Howard's Cd which they were selling at the show.
Its super and I would highly recommend it.  You might have difficulty
finding it in local record stores but here's the adress they give on the
cd sleeve.   Espresso
 
             P.O. Box 4051
             Charlottesville, VA  22903
 
The title of the cd is "Stick Figures"
 
Brett


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 11:46 PM Saturday, November 6, 1993
Subject: DMB w/ ARU @ Boston 11/12

someone said:
>The shows with ARU might be a little steep, probably about $15 or so but
>should be well worth the ticket price.

well, the Boston show tix are $8, plus TicketBastard charges bring them up
to $10.75
well worth the price indeed!

i've heard the Paradise is small, so i ordered tix today, to be safe.
maybe we MineratsNetters can be as cool as PhishNetters and we can all get
together at the show, maybe we need a hand signal or something...  8-)  
seriously, though, what netters will be there besides ben and i and maybe
someone from the NC DMB office?  feel free to email me...  we cybernauts
must stick together...

FYI, the guy i'm riding up to boston with will be taping the show.  He's
actually from c'ville.

love,daniel

------gnome boy-------
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