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Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 12:12 AM Sunday, November 7, 1993
Subject: more on the paradise

Well, that's two of us netters going.  well, if y'all can't come I understand
since I haven't exactly been frequenting Trax/Floodzone (though I'd like
to!).  

In general, how many people are on the net?  (just curious)



------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 1:10 PM Sunday, November 7, 1993
Subject: DMB Tapes

hello, this is alex Crothers and I "run" minarets.net.  That doesn't entail
all that much work but...

I have a request.....

I am looking to put together some comprehensive collection of DMB stuff. 
Now don't read into this and think I'm trying to put together a DMB vault
or library or some other nonsense.  I'm merely trying to get most of
what's been recorded (analog and DAT).  

Now if what you have is on DAT GREAT! I'd like a copy of it please.  If
what you have is on analog that's alright too.  Obviously I'd like to get
the best copies (lowest gen.--master???) of the shows that are only on
analog so I can then transfer them over to DAT.

This is going to take a bit of collaboration and working together but
hopefully it will work out.  If you have any DATs please get in touch with
me.  If you have something on analog, try to remember who you got it off
of and get in touch with that and have them get in touch with me.  I
basically want to try and trace the analog tapes as far back to the source as
possible.  

I know this sounds like a pain in the ass and will probably require some
EFFORT on people's part but hopefully we can come together and make this
work.  We already have a FAQ and a lyric file, what if we had a
psuedo-vault???  I suppose I'm sort of volunteering for this position of
"vault keeper" at least until DMB starts taping everything on DAT (they
don't do this now do they??)

I have lots to trade for these tapes and will even go as far to say I will
do a two-for-one special on any tapes I get.

All my stuff is on DAT (mostly SBDs) so it's crispy clear and easily
transfered to analog tapes also.  A sample of what I have and have access
to: Phish=150hrs(mostly sbds), WSP=75hrs(mostly sbds), ARU=50hrs(SBDs &
aud), plus 65+ other randowm bands on DAT.  So I'll most definetely have
something to offer you.

E-mail: jcrother@moose.uvm.edu
Snail-mail: Alex Crothers; Univ. of Vermont-Harris 311; Burlington, VT,
		05405  (802)-656-7192

thanks


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 1:11 PM Sunday, November 7, 1993
Subject: Wetlands Setlist

Could someone please forward the Wetlands setlist to me?

Thanks
alex Crothers


Posted By: SEAWA@VAX.RHODES.EDU
Time/Date: 3:24 PM Sunday, November 7, 1993
Subject: Hullo...

Could somebody please post the format to subscribe to this Minarets list?
I know I send the message to listproc@moose.uvm.edu, but can't remember how
to specify the Minarets sig.  I have to desubscribe under BItnet and 
resubscribe under internet, which we just had installed.
Thanks,
--Will


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 5:34 PM Sunday, November 7, 1993
Subject: oh, different things...

1) i saw the show on july 7, with greg howard and must say that it
added quite an interesting touch to the sound of the band.  i can
also say that they did a really interesting version of typical
situation, recently, and warehouse.  if all comes through, i'll
be picking up a copy of the show this week at the cd release party,
and i'll give you some more details.  for any netters in the richmond
area, his cd 'stick figures' can be picked up at any digits location.
 
2)as for 'help myself', before dave changed the lyrics from desparate
hours to dangerous hours, it was called desparate hours, and introduced
as such.  i plan to ask dave about it the first chance i get, but until
then, i'm gonna go ahead and leave it in the lyrics file as 'dangerous
hours(help myself)'.
 
3)i had something else to say, but i forgot what it was.  oh well...;)
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 1:55 AM Monday, November 8, 1993
Subject: Boston, ARU & DMB

hello
It's me again. :)
HOPEFULLY, I'm going to Boston on Thurs and catch all the ARU and DMB
shows in Boston and Connecticut.
Like I said...Hopefully
Of course, I was also planning on going to Wetlands but my ride backed out
at the last moment.
Oh well...these things happen
I saw a couple of people from the net that are planning to be there should
I shave "DMB" into my head so we'll recognize one another??? 
If I come I'll be taping also

By the way, there are about 75 people on minarets. :)
Is that good or bad??
I think it's a pretty cool size right now.
Just enough traffic to keep it going and manageable with just the right
amount of information.
This sounds stupid, what am I rambling about
anyway, catch you in Boston-I'm the one with a fro and a SV3700
shouldn't be too many of those. :)
alex Crothers


Posted By: fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 10:51 AM Monday, November 8, 1993
Subject:

                WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF THE ALBUM COMES OUT TONIGHT
AT 12 OR TOMORROW NIGHT AT 12.  PEOPLE SAID THE 9TH BUT I THINK IT IS
ACTUALLY THE 8TH, BECAUSE RECORD STORES WILL HAVE IT TOMORROW ( THEY WILL
NOT BE IN THE STORES BEFORE THE RELEASING ), AND A FRIEND SAID THAT HE HAS
A SHEET THAT SAYS TONIGHT.
                
                        THANKS, KELLER


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:06 PM Monday, November 8, 1993
Subject: Boston, ARU, and DMB

Well I just called an got a tox to the Paradise
$$$10.00  Wow but hey it's ARU AND DMB so that's cool

One question:  Does anyone know if you need tix for the night before at (I
think) Pearl Street in NorthHampton?????

Please Email me quickly so I can get tix if I need them.  Thanks

I saw two people on the net that were going (Ben and Gnome Boy-whoever the
hell that is)  DO you guys want to meet up????  Do you guys a have any
crash space?  Do you guys want to do some trading????  You know the
basics.  Should we have a net gathering??? :)  Just kidding, it will
probably only be the three of us I'm guessing.  Let me know.

Alex Crothers


Posted By: JEROTTON@DAVIDSON.BITNET
Time/Date: 1:32 PM Monday, November 8, 1993
Subject: Ziggys...11/5/93

I hope everyone enjoyed the show at Ziggys last friday as much as i did...
the **WATCHTOWER** was truly amazing...the scene at ziggys was as expected:
small, packed...but the intensity of Dave's performance made up for the
negative....i am looking for anyone who taped the show...come on, i know
you were there....i just had to jet before i could hook up with any of
you guys....so whoever taped the show email me back **PLEASE**....i would
be interesting in chatting w/you...
 
also...tomorrow night is the night...is everyone psyched...im planning on
going if i can find some sort of transportation to make the  7 hour trip..
what time do the festivities begin ???...oh well, i hope to see everyone
there...untill then...take care
 
                                                --Jeremy of Aglide--


Posted By: nmayer@uva386.schools.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:08 PM Monday, November 8, 1993
Subject: Release

The release is tonight at 12:00. They already played Seek Up on
3wv.


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:22 AM Tuesday, November 9, 1993
Subject: the longest post to minarets.net _ever_ approaches...

well, we now have an archive site.  problem:  it's not accesible.
ok, so this is a hidden attempt to find someone who will volunteer
an ftp/gopher accesible archive site.  jmu isn't.  for now the
digests are going to have to be kept on floppy disc, and will be
almost completely inaccessible.  the faq and lyrics files are
easily manageable from within my account, i just have to distribute
them on the basis of requests.  if you want either just send me a note,
(sorry to be so repetitive, i'm going to try to get alex to append
something to the bottom of the digests that says what i keep saying
every week).
 
at any rate, if anybody has a way to store these files in an accesible
place and is willing to maintain the site, please let me know.  you
won't have to deal with changing any files, just storing them.  you
will have to be reponsible to storing the digests, but that's just
a matter of downloading them to discspace.  any volunteers?(i'm not
expecting anything....)
 
also, i said i was going to post the faq, and i am.  i'm mailing it
in next, and like i said, it's pretty long these days.  about 550 lines
(that's about 25-30 pages in e-mail terms).  so, just thought i'd
warn everyone...don't worry, this will be a very infrequent occurance...
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 1:59 AM Tuesday, November 9, 1993
Subject: Who are these weirdos?

Alex wrote:
>I saw two people on the net that were going (Ben and Gnome Boy-whoever the
>hell that is) 

Yeah!  My question exactly.  Who are these weirdos on our network?  What is
the meaning of these odd names floating around MinaretsNet?  I mean, what
with our love for such traditional music and all, wouldn't you think a guy
could stick to something more normal, like say maybe "ben" or "alex"?  I
mean, i've seen such strange pseudonyms on this net -- i think i saw both a
"Gnome Boy" and a "Greenfling" from up around Rhode Island or somewhere
else where weirdos dwell.  Not to mention someone actually from the good
ol' home state of NC had some strange concoction for a name -- like "Jeremy
of Aglide" i believe.  He was talking about Ziggy's (yeah, and what kind of
a name is Ziggy anyway???)  Seriously, does anyone know where "Aglide" is? 
I've never heard of it.  Let's get these kooks out of our personal
cyberspace.  I hear we're 75 strong these days -- surely we can spare on or
two -- it's all for Family Values and Decent Names, remember?

anyone with the decency and good sense to despise these foolish names
should join the M.A.R.Y. foundation (Minaretsnetters Against Radical
Yokles) by sending a check for $19.75 to 12600 Ridgehaven Road / Little
Rock, AR / 72211.  Or, if you'd prefer to donate cash, you can just bring
it to me at the DMB show in Boston on Friday.  I'll be that guy down by the
front that looks like a gnome.  See y'all there!  (all two of you?)

love,daniel

------gnome boy--------greenfling-------------

oh, and i'm taking the liberty to sign one other's name:
>                                                --Jeremy of Aglide--

in case you didn't get it:  8-)   8-)   8-)    8-)  8-!_   8-)


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 3:02 PM Tuesday, November 9, 1993
Subject: my thoughts on the cd...

GREAT STUFF HERE....
i picked up the cd last night at town and campus records here in
harrisonburg, and i'd have to say that's this is a really strong
debut cd, setting themselves up for a phenomenal follow up.
ant marching, recently, satellite, christmas song and the song that
jane likes are pretty much exactly what you expect them to be.
but the rest of the songs have some interesting quirks--the intros
to tripping billies and one sweet world were left off, and the jam
sessions to minarets and seek up weren't included.  i'd have to say
that i like the way that this is set up, because it will help make
their live shows even more powerful as they become more well known.
 
dave brought tim reynolds in to play some backup guitar on i'll back
you up and seek up, but as far as i'll back you up goes, i prefer
stefan's bass solo.  and don't worry about the lack of the violin
solo on seek up, this studio version is _really_ good, probably the
highlight of the cd, and runs a full 7 1/2 minutes as is.
 
the best bonus of the cd is a sort of mystery bonus track appended
to christmas song.  when you get the cd, just let the cd go.  it's
a reprise of a song on the cd, and i'll leave it at that.  anyway,
i've got some serious lyrics file editing to get done, so i'll just
let other people continue with comments on the cd...
 
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 4:37 PM Tuesday, November 9, 1993
Subject: Welcome File (fwd)

Just thought everyone might like to see this.
Sorry it took me a while but I've been REAL busy lately.  This message
will be the "welcome" file that one recieves when they subscribe.  Let me
know if you think there should be additions/corrections/deletions or
whatever....  I know most of you have seen this and it doesn't contain any
new information so don't bother reading it unless you want to see what
everyone from now on is going to get when they subscribe.

By the way-I FOUND A RIDE TO THE THREE NEW ENGLAND SHOWS!!! YEEHAAA!
I know that doesn't mean a lot to most of you but I'm pretty happy and
I'll be taping them so it affects you all indirectly! :)
alex Crothers
ps-I'm working on adding one of those information areas at the end of each
digest so Rick will be happy:) It will also helo me out.
------------------------------------------------------------------
 
WELCOME TO MINARETS.NET...the one and only place to become a Dave
Matthews know it all.  The following is an excerpt taken from the
Minarets.FAQ(frequently asked questions).file.  This file answers
basic questions about the net, the band, taping and tape trees.
For a copy of the entire file, send a request to Rick Thompson
at: stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
Included here are a band bio, info on the cd, and info on how
to get the lyrics file.
==========================================================================
                   SECTION B:   BAND QUESTIONS
==========================================================================
B-1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band?

....The Members:
Dave Matthews -- guitar, vocals (amazing voice!)
Carter Beauford -- percussion, vocals  (jam on!)
Stefan Lessard -- bass (thump and grind, and he's 18!!)
LeRoi Moore -- woodwinds (esp saxophone!!, flute), vocals
Boyd Tinsley -- violin (read: FIDDLE!!!), vocals
...
....The Band:
The Dave Matthews Band draws from the distinct talents and styles
of its five members to create a uniquely compelling pop sound
that combines the influences of folk, jazz, rock, world beat, and
reggae.  Some of it seems like a cross between Bob Dylan, Hot
Tuna, and Michael Stipe, parts are remniscent of a funky Miles
Davis, and parts sound like the Seldom Scene and Ziggy Stardust
mixed together. In an unknown show in the spring of 93, Dave
described the song "One Sweet World" as a sort of "Virginia
country funk," which is yet another way of inadequately describing
their unique sound.
....Dave Matthews, the band's namesake and formerly a Charlottes-
ville bartender, began assembling the group in 1991.  A self-
taught guitarist and an inspiring poet from South Africa,
Dave Mathews has said that the goal of his music is "lifting
spirits" and this band reaches that goal.
....Carter Beauford, a past regular on BET (Black Entertainment
Television) and son of a jazz trumpet player, helps tie the band's
various elements together.
....Stefan has played upright bass in clubs  since he was 15, was 16
when DMB was formed, and continues to get more powerful and controlled
every show.
....LeRoi has played with Carter and John D'Earth (amazing trumpet
player!!; catch him on Bruce Hornsby's new disc and on a 60-show
tour with Hornsby this fall) at paying gigs and informal jam sessions
around Charlottesville for years; the man can jam!!
.....Last, but certainly not least, Boyd Tinsley: he doesn't like
to sing (but sounds great when he does), but man can he play that
fiddle!  At three HORDE shows this summer, as well as at the Red
Rocks Amphitheatre, the crowd went NUTS each time Boyd appeared.
Boyd played as wonderfully to that crowd of some 9,000 in July as
he did on a lawn, in the rain, for ten folks sitting in grass
last May.  He's cool-natured and friendly beyond belief; all he
wants is to play, and boy can he!  You ain't heard Watchtower
until you've heard the DMB's arrangement with Boyd's SMOKING
solo!
courtesy of: Ellis (of Lemuria) Goddard: jeg5s@virginia.edu 

========================================================================
                 SECTION C:   MUSIC QUESTIONS
========================================================================
What about this new album?

The disc is called "Remember Two Things." It was release on November 9.

Ants Marching/Tripping Billies/Recently/Satellite/One Sweet World/The Song
That Jane Likes/Minarets/Seek Up/I'll Back You Up/Christmas Song.

The songs were recorded at Trax in Charlottesville, Flood Zone (Richmond),
The Muse (Nantucket) and one studio track, "Minarets," was recorded at Flat
Five Studios in Salem, VA. Joh Alagia produced the disc along with the band.

Other factoids:
-The CD insert includes a complete lyric sheet.
-Along with the album, a limited edition 22 x 28 poster featuring a large
 version of the stereogram on the CD cover will be available; they will also 
 be available at shows.
-If your local store doesn't know about DMB, you can order the disk and/or
 poster directly from Bama Rags Records at (804) 979-9695. However, it will be
 much appreciated (even if you order direct) if you'll tell your local stores
 about the band and ask them to get some copies to sell. They can call Bama
 Rags directly to do so.

The band is currently negotiating a major-label deal. It has become
complicated because several new majors have become interested late in the
game. The deal was supposed to be done by the end of November, but a
bidding war may ensue and delay things. In any event, there won't be any new
DMB recorded product released other than Remember Two Things before the
middle of 1994.

Incidentally, the band's management does have access to this net and welcomes
everyone's interest. Interesting messages will be passed on to band members
when time permits, so you can pose questions directly to them. [Note: it will
often take a while to get replies, because they travel a lot, so have
patience.]

--------------------------------------------
C2. Is there a lyrics file? How do i get it?

There is a lyrics file being put together by Rick Thompson,
Gregg Carrier, and Brett Horton of James Madison University.
As of 10-28-93, it held 17 songs.  To get the file, simply
send a request to Rick at stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu.  In
your request, specify whether you want a single copy of the
file, or if you want to be added to a permanent mailing list
which will send you updated versions weekly or biweekly until
the list is complete.


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 4:43 PM Tuesday, November 9, 1993
Subject: RE: ARU at the Paradise 11/12/93 (FWD)

on HORDEnet today, someone wrote:

>Just wanted to let everyone know that I talked to the guy at the Paradise 
>box office a few minutes ago (when I went to pick up my tix, since I work 
>a block away from the place) and he didn't think there was an opening 
>band for this show. The board that lists upcoming shows certainly didn't 
>list anybody as opener (and it did for quite a few of the other shows 
>coming up). So if you're hoping to see the Dave Matthews Band there on 
>Friday, you may be in for a letdown. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
>Then again maybe the guy didn't know what he was talking about!!

(i don't THINK the message was cross-posted to MinaeratsNet by its author. 
if so, sorry.)

i suppose this is total misinformation, right?  just double-checking. 
clubs commonly are clueless about such matters.  HEY, does anyone know for
sure what time DMB is taking the stage?

love,daniel
-----------------gnome boy------greenfling-----------


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:12 PM Tuesday, November 9, 1993
Subject: personal to "WOTTONG"

i just sent out the latest lyrics file update, and the only copy that
got bounced was sent to WOTTONG@ctrax.Vanderbilt.edu.  i don't know
who you are, but send me a note to let me know if i've got your address
wrong, or something.
 
btw, i can't remember if i've done this yet, but thanx to Greenfling
Daniel Gold, Gnome Boy upon a Bovine Steed for making sure that
a future archive site has every back issue of the digested net.
 
if you're interested in recieving minarets net in digested form,
send the following single line command in to listproc@moose.uvm.edu:
 
set minarets mail digest
 
if you want to undigestify, you'll have to talk to alex crothers
about it at jcrother@moose.uvm.edu.
 
rick thompson                            send any e-mail, lyrics file
jmu box 5388                             request, or FAQ request to:
harrisonburg, va 22807                   stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: caw9c@dayhoff.med.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:46 AM Wednesday, November 10, 1993
Subject: Flies in the Kitchen

WOW!
I just left the DMB show a few minutes ago.  It was a great show
, as usual, and I started to snooze a little toward the end.  The
, out of nowhere, they ripped into Seek Up (my vote for the best
DMB song yet).  After they finished that set, and I was waiting
fearfully for the lights to come on, Boyd and dave came out for
Angel from montgomery.  I think it's been a while for that one.
It was great.  In spite of a lot of shouting for Halloween they
wrapped it up with Warehouse.  All I have to say is us folks in
chville don't deserve this.  Finally, I think we should all
shower ellis of lemuria with gifts, money and first born children
for running the Bayou tree.  What a show!!!!!  If anyone missed
the signup, get in touch, and I'll spin you a copy.  Pardon the
spelling/grammer, it's been a long night.
peace, goodnight and see you in worcester on NYE
charlie


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:39 AM Wednesday, November 10, 1993
Subject: NorthHampton?? 21+????

Does anyone know if this show (or any for that matter) are 21+????

this would be a bummer.

Let me know pronto please for the Northhampton show is tomorrow (Thurs)
night and from there I go to Boston and Trinity.

None of the places on the tour date schedule specify 21+ but.....

thanks
alex Crothers


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 11:44 AM Wednesday, November 10, 1993
Subject: Different review...

Okay, I just thought I'd send this along to see what everyone thinks.  Let me 
emphasize this first off: I HAVE NOT HEARD THE ALBUM -- THIS IS SOMEONE 
ELSE'S OPINION.  However, it is a friend of mine who goes to UVa and someone 
who has been listening to Dave for well over a year and going to shows and 
all that.  So kick back with an open mind and read this and see if you agree 
with any of the points.  Please don't scream and yell and get offended -- 
it's just another viewpoint.  I don't want to see another bitch session like 
after "Rift" came out and half the Phishnet said they had sold out.  Anyway, 
enough intro -- here it is:


Well, Dave Matthews' album finally came out. He's doomed. It's fair at best.
He did, however, have a substantial following waiting at midnight for its
release. Marcus and I went dwon to Plan 9 around 12:30 or so and the line was
out the door, around the building, and down the block. Very long wait. We
said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..." So we went back to the house and
sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
It was great...
 
Anyway, someone obviously told him that no one could understand what the fuck
he was saying because he sounds like he's trying so hard to enunciate. So
that sucks. He's not a very good singer to begin with, and when you can
understand what he's saying, it's even worse. Also, although most of the
album is live (from a show I saw, anyway, as a a matter of fact), they knew
they were being taped and took a little off it to make sure they played the
right notes and stuff. So it's kind of a flat performance. Also too, they
left out some of the better songs to put in shit like 'Tripping Billies', a
song we all know and hate. No 'Halloween', no 'Dead and Gone', no
'Spotlight'. I don't think 'Warehouse' is on it, either. Oh yeah, it ain't on
no Columbia, either. Some basement label like "Rag Bone Records" or "Bona
Rag" or something.
 
I'll tape it for you, though, and fill the rest of the tape with decent stuff
he's played. Who knows, maybe people who haven't heard good live shows will
like it. Maybe he'll make some money and hire a real sax player and bassist.
Or just get Greg Howard to cover both of their parts. I'm sure he could do a
better job by himself than both Leroi and Stephan...
 


--------------------------------

Okay, so rather scathing comments to Stephan and Leroi but... intelligent 
comments?  feedback?  alternative thoughts?

Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 5:18 PM Wednesday, November 10, 1993
Subject: What is REALLY going on at the Paradise on Friday night?

Okay, I just got aff the phone with the Paradise.  Here is the info I got
from them:

	Doors will open at seven PM.
	The opening act will go on at eight.
	Col. Bruce and the Unit will hit the stage at about nine.

I also asked this guy what the best T (boston subway) stop was to get to
the Pradise.  If you are traveling that way, it's the Pleasant Street stop
on the green line, six stops after Kenmore Square. 

FYI, the opening act will be "The Dave Martin Band."  He didn't know
anything else about them ;-|.


Tickets will be 12 dollars at the door if you decide to buy them then.  As
of now, there ARE tickets available.

Well, so far I know of Alex, Daniel, myself, Jeremy, a few friends of mine
and some other people they know.



Yippie!!  




See you there.

--Ben
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 11:59 PM Wednesday, November 10, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 22

About FTP space, the university that I have my account at just added quite
a bit of hard disk space, but I already have an open FTP site here for my
email journal.  I will hopefully figure out something for us.  Perhaps my
friend Susan will get the space we need, (she's at the same site...)  All
hail Dave.  Graham


Posted By: fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 11:38 AM Thursday, November 11, 1993
Subject: Re: Different review...

                SURE THE ALBUM MAY BE A BIT FLAT, BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT
ELLIS SAID ABOUT SAVING IT FOR THE SHOWS.  SECONDLY, DAVE CAN SING.  HIS
VOICE IS UNIQUE AND YES I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HIM "BABBLE" ( OR WHATEVER YOU
CALL IT ) LIKE HE USUALLY DOES. IT DOES UPSET ME THAT HE SI TRYING TO
ENUNCIATE, BUT HOPEFULLY HE WILL STOP.  AND AS FOR LEROI, I CAN NOT BELIEVE
THAT ANYONE WOULD SAY THAT.  HE IS ONE OF THE BEST HORN PLAYERS I HAVE
HEARD.  I DO NOT THINK ANYONE ELSE COULD WORK AS WELL AS HE DOES FOR THEM. 
SURE THEIR ARE SOME GREATS OUT THEIR BUT WHO DO THINK COULD DO A BETTER JOB
ON SONGS LIKE "TYPICAL" ?  I AGREE SOME OF THE NEW WAYS OF DOING SOME SONGS
DO NOT SOUND AS GOOD WITH HIM TRYING TO " OVER PROFFESIONALIZE " OR
"OVERPRODUCE" SOME SOUNDS. I TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH KERRY KREIGER AND HE
ALSO AGREES.  I THINK HE LOSES A LITTLE POWER WHEN HE TRYS FOR THOSE
SOUNDS, BUT IN SOME SONGS IT IS GOOD.  I MEAN WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT IN "
LOVER " ?

  ALL THAT CRITICISM FROM A LONG TIME DEVOTED FAN?  SOUNDS LIKE HE NEEDS A
BREAK FROM THE DMB.


   Snapple?


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 11:48 AM Thursday, November 11, 1993
Subject: Re: A different view...

Thank God!
that's all I can really say;
after putting up with the all the bullshit on Phish.Net lately and
having every little criticism you make get you into a total flame war;
it just plain sucks

To Reid Spice (Grilled Cheese): Thank you for being honest and forwarding
the criticism (even though it *was* a bit harsh) but at least it was
honest.  And, overall, I suppose that's better. 

I haven't had a chance to hear the album yet either (I'll get it tonight
at Northhampton! yeaaaa!) and will listen to it with an open mind but we
all like and don't like albums.  And sometimes an album grows os us.  For
instance, when I first got WSP's Everyday I hated (too strong: really
disliked) it; but now I like it alot and really dig some aspects of it. 
It all depends.

I decided to reprint the message so everyone would know what I was talking
and to get a chance to look at it again.
alex Crothers
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Okay, I just thought I'd send this along to see what everyone thinks.  Let me 
> emphasize this first off: I HAVE NOT HEARD THE ALBUM -- THIS IS SOMEONE 
> ELSE'S OPINION.  However, it is a friend of mine who goes to UVa and someone 
> who has been listening to Dave for well over a year and going to shows and 
> all that.  So kick back with an open mind and read this and see if you agree 
> with any of the points.  Please don't scream and yell and get offended -- 
> it's just another viewpoint.  I don't want to see another bitch session like 
> after "Rift" came out and half the Phishnet said they had sold out.  Anyway, 
> enough intro -- here it is:
> 
> 
> Well, Dave Matthews' album finally came out. He's doomed. It's fair at best.
> He did, however, have a substantial following waiting at midnight for its
> release. Marcus and I went dwon to Plan 9 around 12:30 or so and the line was
> out the door, around the building, and down the block. Very long wait. We
> said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..." So we went back to the house and
> sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
> Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
> It was great...
>  
> Anyway, someone obviously told him that no one could understand what the fuck
> he was saying because he sounds like he's trying so hard to enunciate. So
> that sucks. He's not a very good singer to begin with, and when you can
> understand what he's saying, it's even worse. Also, although most of the
> album is live (from a show I saw, anyway, as a a matter of fact), they knew
> they were being taped and took a little off it to make sure they played the
> right notes and stuff. So it's kind of a flat performance. Also too, they
> left out some of the better songs to put in shit like 'Tripping Billies', a
> song we all know and hate. No 'Halloween', no 'Dead and Gone', no
> 'Spotlight'. I don't think 'Warehouse' is on it, either. Oh yeah, it ain't on
> no Columbia, either. Some basement label like "Rag Bone Records" or "Bona
> Rag" or something.
>  
> I'll tape it for you, though, and fill the rest of the tape with decent stuff
> he's played. Who knows, maybe people who haven't heard good live shows will
> like it. Maybe he'll make some money and hire a real sax player and bassist.
> Or just get Greg Howard to cover both of their parts. I'm sure he could do a
> better job by himself than both Leroi and Stephan...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
This part is *alot* harsh I thougth.  If your friend doesn't like those
two aspects of the band I don't see how he can like them.  That's 2/5 of
the band!  Ohh well, maybe he can somehow (who knows how though!) llisten
'through' Leroi and Stephan.

alex Crothers
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> FYI, the opening act will be "The Dave Martin Band."  He didn't know
> anything else about them ;-|.

Wow; anyone ever heard anything about these guys????????  There has been
some mention of them floating around Horde.Net.  Someone said they are
supposed to be pretty good.  The lead singer, Dave Martin, is supposedly
from South America and someone in the band plays the viola and another
plays a clarinet or oboe or something.  The bass player, Stevan, is only
12 years old!  Incredible. :)


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:57 PM Thursday, November 11, 1993
Subject: 18+ and Confirmed

Just wanted to let everyone know that all three New England shows are
CONFIRMED and 18+.

Hope this helps.

alex Crothers


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 1:11 PM Thursday, November 11, 1993
Subject: Re: Different review...

>
> with any of the points.  Please don't scream and yell and get offended --
> it's just another viewpoint.

[ lots of stuff from 'another viewpoint' ]

> --------------------------------
>
> Okay, so rather scathing comments to Stephan and Leroi but... intelligent
> comments?  feedback?  alternative thoughts?
>

Well, it's difficult to respond to that post without being offended
and write a scathing response.  However, that IS the philosophy of
the HORDE music scene I believe, to accept everyone's views, no
matter how foreign they may seem, so I will refrain from going line-
by-line and responding with my own comments.

I'll just say that I don't think your friend is a true HORDEr.  It's
evident from both his actions and thoughts.  Nothing wrong with that,
but it's like me trying to review the latest album from Barney.

In the end, though, it's basically just a differing of opinions..  I
happen to love the album, and Tripping Billies is one of my favorite
songs, and I love Leroi's playing, etc.  I just feel his opinion is
less credible than many of those here because he's the type to send
someone else to do his work while he plays pool, just because it's
cold and he doesn't want to wait until the next day to get the album,
and has something against an independently distributed album, etc.
That's just not the mindset of most of the people here I believe.

One man's OPINION.......


--
Brett Kingswell
bmking@mail.wm.edu
BBB/loligo/zoo/bert/icka bicka momma clucka/eggs/alone/142/escaping


--
Once it's too late you appreciate what a miracle life is.  You
realize that nature is ruthless and our existence is very fragile,
temporary, and precious.  But to go on with your daily affairs, you
can't really think about that.  Which is probably why everyone takes
the world for granted and we act so thoughtlessly.
        --Calvin & Hobbes, 9.19.93
.. and may never now know   /     Brett Kingswell
if I am a fool              /     bmking@mail.wm.edu
or have done what my        /
     karma demands          /     loligo


Posted By: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 3:26 PM Thursday, November 11, 1993
Subject: leroi and stephan

   If anyone out there has a tape of the 12-15-92 show at Trax, take a listen
to the intro to Lover. Leroi plays a beautiful, emotional solo. And then to
hear him wail like he does on songs like Watchtower and Typical, I don't see
how anyone could feel that he's not that good. Just my opinion. Admittedly, he
hasn't always been a very consistent performer, but lately he seems to have
had fewer off-nights than he used to. And Stephan is anexcellent bass player,
in my mind. Rythmically he is always on, and, musically speaking, he has come
really far in the past two years. He seems to be handling the "fame" with a very
level head for someone of his age, so I think he is someone the band can count
on. Besides, there is much more that goes into a succesful band than just the
caliber of the musicians. If there is no emotional connection, then the music
they write will not be as interesting. They need to feed off of eachother
when they're travelling, rehearsing, performing, and writing. Two guys who
really dig performing together will get much further than a couple guys who
are incredible musicians, but have personality conflicts.
   I haven't heard the album yet, so I might agree that it is flat, or that Dave
tries too hard to enunciate. But that doesn't affect the fact that on songs
like Lover and Lie in our Graves, it is evident that Dave can sing and that
Stephan and Leroi aren't guys you'd just boot out the door.



                                                    -drew devereux


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 4:41 PM Thursday, November 11, 1993
Subject: article on DMB

I'm writing an article on the band and would like to talk to avid DMB
followerds about why they are so into the band and just abtape trade,
uniqueness of band, interesting anecdotes, etc. If anyone would like to talk
to me, please message me sometime in the very near future or give a call at
708-864-6461. thanks much.


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 5:12 PM Thursday, November 11, 1993
Subject: Whoops

Well, as I thought, many were pissed about that review I passed on (from a 
*friend* of mine, please remember that!)  I still haven't heard it yet so I 
don't know...  anyway, thank you to those people who mailed me personally and
told me what you thought.  I didn't post a negative review to upset people, I
was more hoping that people would take his comments seriously and see if there
was any value to them at all.  Yes, I agree that Stephan is solid and Leroi is
much better than my friend gives him credit.  But I was hoping more that people
would maybe think about whether or not Dave does try to enunciate more clearly
on the album, if the album does sound flat (as though the energy was lost in
the recording), things like that.  You folks have heard lots of live tapes,
you've heard lots of shows, how does the album compare?  A good live album or
has it been tamed down at all?  Anyway, enough for now.  

Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 3:25 AM Friday, November 12, 1993
Subject: please add me to the DMB digest. thanks much.send

please send minarets to me. thanks also, if anyone has any info on the new
year's eve show in Richmond, please share it -- as well as any shows just
before that.


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:12 AM Friday, November 12, 1993
Subject: nov 9 and the opening act...

last nights show was pretty intense, but i'd have to say i enjoyed
last weeks more, because it was a longer set and a little more low
key.  the first set was pretty straight forward with a lot of songs
from the cd, including satellite, which i haven't seen in a while.
in the second set they started getting into a broader setlist that
actually seemed to go on for longer than their avg set.  technically,
there was only one set last night, because dave never left the stage.
right around 1am, everyone but dave left the stage to use the bathroom
and he hung around and played his new song as well as a tune from last
spring that me and my freinds refer to as 'heathcliff's haiku warriors'.
it has a finger picking style similar to 'pay for what you get'.  after
playing christmas song w/ carter, things picked up again with ants.
i can't remember the full setlist,  but i do know that there were 6
masters made.  as far as the encore goes, the angel from montgomery
was a little sleepy, because it was only dave and boyd.  after that
they finished with warehouse, and as far as i know, i was the only one
screaming for halloween(was i that loud?).  everyone else up front was
screaming for warehouse.
 
in case your interested, they brought an opening act last night, which
is why dave's set was overall much shorter than ususal.  but as for this
opening act, they were _really_ good.  they had an arrangement very similar
to dmb, with a lead rhythm guitarist, bass, drums, and a violinist and
saxophonist.  the primary differences being that the violinist played
a more typical western classical influenced violin than the hillbilly
fiddling of boyd we all love.  the violinist also played some pretty
kicking leads on an acoustic guitar for some songs.  something else is
that the saxist also played those keen little keyboard things which
i have no clue as to a name for.
their overall sound was different from dmb, too.  i was extremely impressed
with their tight sound and would recommend you check them out.  they're
called "From Down Home"  and i know they're playing w&l this friday night.
 
that's all for me for now....if anyone knows the full setlist from last
night, post it.
 
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
 
it's gonna be an eternity in here...


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:38 Friday, November 12, 1993
Subject: A genuine good time...

Hello
It's me: alex Crothers
and I just want to give a little brief report of what an incredible show
it was last night (Thurs) at Pearl Street in Northhampton, MA!!

The show was  adouble billing with DMB opening for ARU.  I shouldn't even
need to go on but I will :). First I'll give you the set list:

Just one long set running about 70 minutes:
Sweet World
Trippin Billies
Granny
Help Myself
Minarets
Satelite
Warehouse
Lover Lay Down
Ants Marching
Recently

There were technical problems through the whole show (not many in DMB) but
not on the part of the board (except in one case) but on the part of the
tapers.  There were about five analog tapers there and two digital (myself
and someone else-was that you Eric?)  Since I was tremendously
underprepared I ended up going last in the line which means that my copy
has a cut everytime an anolog parent had to flip :(, but oh well.  The
first minute on DMB got cut and the first minute of ARU got cut.  Also,
one the guys taping analog in front of me wasn't paying any attention to
his deck so I ended up having to adjust his levels and mine.!!!!  Annoying.
Anyway, a killer show to say the least.  the only technical problem on the
boards fault (and it wasn't really the boards fault) was we lost ALL
power.  Vocals went out, our decks went out, the board went out.  For
about five-seven minutes we sat there waiting (just as we set up some mics
it went back on).  The instruments still had power and ARU just went into
a jam (obviously w/out words. :)) until the power got back on.  Still not
sure what the problem was.

Anyway, I haven't had a chance to listen to the tape and I won't for
awhile 'cause I'm taking off for Boston in a sec.  The tapes all are
pretty piece-meal but maybe with some fancy fade in/outs I can make them a
little more fluid.  I'll do my best.

I got the album, pretty cool but still haven't had a good chance to listen
to it.  Everyone at the show was staring at one on the posters
(sterograms) they had on display.  Jeff (soundman) was incredible nice as
was ARU's soundman and both bands.  Good atmosphere.

I saw Eric(new aquaintance) and Christian (old friend from many crazy
random touring crossings!) from minarets.net.  IAnother bonus for me was I
got to see a bunch of old buddies from my old highschool-Ashely, John,
Eric Needham.  

Did I forget anything??  
Well I'm off to Boston!!!
alex Crothers


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 6:06 PM Friday, November 12, 1993
Subject: Re: lover lay down

I've noticed a disturbing trend: over the past two weeks, after an 8 month
hiatus, Lover Lay Down has been played at every show.

This is the cheesiest song I've ever heard, no exaggeration.

The lyrics suck. Leroi sounds like Kenny G.  Why not play forgotten songs
like Drive In Drive Out, So Much To Say (still a great song even without
Peter), or (here's a crazy thought) play a set that's 5 minutes shorter than
usual, and encore w/ Halloween.

Not to be harsh, but deep down in my soul, in the bottom of my heart, I
REALLY HATE THAT SONG!        

Sorry to break everyone's heart who likes that song, but I just had to let
this out, for it has been long subdued.

--Kerry


Posted By: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 6:16 PM Friday, November 12, 1993
Subject: Wow!! Disc Sales!!

I wasnt there Monday night (11/8), but the local papers reported that over
400 people came, that Dave started signing at midnight and didn't finish
until 5:30 am, that they SOLD OUT, that is SOLD OUT of all of the copies they
had at Plan 9, and that the POSTERS ARE GOING FAST!! Amazing!

oh... the opening band Tuesday was From Good Homes, not Good Damn Homes or
whatever that was someone mentioned.

And, to toss another $.02 in, I think Leroi smokes!!! Doesn't seem to bend
the notes much, but man! He can swing it, he can sling it, he can slide it
around! 'Ts'all a po'boy like me needs....

BTW, TRAX was more crowded Tues (11/9) than I think I have EVER seen it (and
I've been there some multiple of 150 times).  Folks were standing on chairs,
on tables, on each others' feet, on shoulders, on beer bottles.  Took almost
15 minutes to get TO the bathroom, and then the line went around the pool
table. (Oddly, given stereotypical gender habits and the gender split of the
audience population, there were about 4 womenpholk in line for the fem rest
stop and about 35 guys in line for the men's office.)


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:51 PM Friday, November 12, 1993
Subject: Re: Different review...

>said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..." So we went back to the house and
>sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
>Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
>It was great...
 
i'll be perfectly honest.  as soon as i saw the reference to uva greek, i
totally dismissed this article as not worth my time.  but i read on.  then
i found myself so disgusted with this perrsons point of view that i had to
reply.
 
as i mentioned before, i have very little respect for uva greek, based
almost solely on my observance of their behaviour at dave matthews shows.
as was discussed at the inception of this net, dave matthews has been
getting discouraged with playing at TRAX.  this is because the audience
gets drunk, throws each other around, generally ignores what dave is
trying to do, and doesn't pay the slightest bit of attention unless ants,
halloween, or warehouse is being played.  i can only assume that your
freind is among this crowd, based on his reference to warehouse and
halloween (FYI, 'dead and gone' would be known to most of us as 'rhyme
or reason'), as well as his opinion of dave matthews in general.
 
i also assume that your freind comes from the base that thinks that boyd
is the heart and soul of this band.  i don't think that i could imagine
this band without his almost hillbilly addition to the band, but it's
called 'the dave matthews band' for a reason.
 
i'm so pissed at the narrow-mindedness of what i just read that i can't
even organize my thoughts on the subject.  your freind apparently doesn't
know jack shit about the music industry, and the hassles of signing
contracts and such, and should be clued into the fact that a major label
deal is in the works that should produce us a full studio disc next year.
 
errrrrr.
i have a lot more to say, but i'm going to stop now.  in all actuality,
i appreciate the different point of view, and i apologize up front to
spice for pretty much saying his freind has no character or merit, IMNSHO.
but still, dave is far from doomed.  this is not dave's definitive work,
nor is he making it out to be.  'remember two things' is a debut album.
it's an introduction for the some 40 states left that have never heard
of the man.  treat it as such.  and tell your freind that he lives in
c-ville, and is more than welcome to go to TRAX each and every tue night
until he hears his beloved halloween song or spotlight.
 
as and aside--putting halloween on a cd would be like phish putting
harry hood on a cd.  anyone agree?
 
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
-------------
it's gonna be an eternity in here...
======================================================================


Posted By: STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:42 AM Saturday, November 13, 1993
Subject: Reid's dumbass friend...

>Okay, I just thought I'd send this along to see what everyone thinks.  Let me
>emphasize this first off: I HAVE NOT HEARD THE ALBUM -- THIS IS SOMEONE
>ELSE'S OPINION.
 
Well Reid...next time don't forward worthless opinions...I have seen you write
things to this net that I enjoyed.  Your "friend's" I did not, and would rather
address him personally...but I don't know who he is...see?
 
>  However, it is a friend of mine who goes to UVa and someone
>who has been listening to Dave for well over a year and going to shows and
>all that.
 
A lot of drunk frat boys who don't know shit about music go to Dave shows every
week.
 
>Well, Dave Matthews' album finally came out. He's doomed. It's fair at best.
 
Nice setup from a wise old Dave Matthews sage...tell us your story ye who knows
so much...
 
>He did, however, have a substantial following waiting at midnight for its
>release. Marcus and I went dwon to Plan 9 around 12:30 or so and the line was
>out the door, around the building, and down the block. Very long wait. We
>said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..."
 
Yes he is...but then if you knew that, you wouldn't have made comments this
pathetic...
 
> So we went back to the house and
>sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
>Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
>It was great...
 
The only people who are more pathetic than these pledges who stood in the cold
for you are you and your friend who let it go to your heads when your silly
Greek system allows you to demean other individuals just to get your rocks off.
 
>Anyway, someone obviously told him that no one could understand what the fuck
>he was saying because he sounds like he's trying so hard to enunciate. So
>that sucks. He's not a very good singer to begin with
 
Wrong.   Your pompous attitude towards this band is disgusting...shut up...
 
> and when you can
>understand what he's saying, it's even worse.
 
I doubt you have ever listened to Dave's incredible lyrical talent.  This
statement is among your most ignorant.  Yet you try to pass it off as weathered
experience.  *sarcasm begins* Thank god someone like you is around to tell us al
   l what to think
about the Dave Matthews Band.  Without someone like you who has seen them SO
MANY times us folks would have no one to look to.  Thank you.  *sarcasm ends
with bout of vomiting*
 
> Also, although most of the
>album is live (from a show I saw, anyway, as a a matter of fact), they knew
>they were being taped and took a little off it to make sure they played the
>right notes and stuff. So it's kind of a flat performance.
 
Is it really a flat performance?  Those of us who don't have quite as much live
Dave experience wouldn't have realized this without your insightful
comments...thank you again...moron...
 
> Also too, they
>left out some of the better songs to put in shit like 'Tripping Billies', a
>song we all know and hate. No 'Halloween', no 'Dead and Gone'
 
Known to the rest of the world as Rhyme or Reason...
 
> no
>'Spotlight'. I don't think 'Warehouse' is on it, either. Oh yeah, it ain't on
>no Columbia, either.
 
Yo yo yo boyeeee!  It aint on no Columbia!  Go back to the hood dork...is a
major label really the means by which you judge a band...oops...forgot you are
really really dumb!  Of course that's your criteria!
 
> Some basement label like "Rag Bone Records" or "Bona
>Rag" or something.
 
Bama Rag Records
 
>I'll tape it for you, though, and fill the rest of the tape with decent stuff
>he's played. Who knows, maybe people who haven't heard good live shows will
>like it. Maybe he'll make some money and hire a real sax player and bassist.
>Or just get Greg Howard to cover both of their parts. I'm sure he could do a
>better job by himself than both Leroi and Stephan...
 
Well...as if you hadn't announced your ignorance enough.  Leroi and Stephan are
both far more vast musical talents than you or you drunk frat brothers give
them credit for.  Maybe not as catchy as Boyd (who is also great) but both
Leroi and Stephan are INTEGRAL parts of the band.  I won't even bother trying
to convince you.
 
Dude, find somewhere else to drink your beer on Tuesday nights.  Just because
UVA sees fit to let you in to their school does not mean everyone here will
blindly respect your views on the Dave Matthews Band.
 
You are stomping on all of our buzzes...
 
Disclaimer:  This was written by Gregg Carrier.  stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
Any comment/criticisms/death threats should be directed to him.  Thanks.


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 1:09 AM Saturday, November 13, 1993
Subject: tonight's (last night's?) show

Just returned from Paradise. Literally.
The show was totally incredible.  Indulge me if you will:

	I arrived by the T at around 6:50. I met up with Daniel-GnomeBoy-
Greenfling-Gold who arrived a few minutes later with some buddies that he
drove up from Brown with. 
	Anyway, doors are supposed to open at 7.  Some guy comes out at
five after and says that the band (ARU) is sound-checking so we won't be
let in just yet.  Daniel and a friend of his decide to go exploring-- they
go around back of the club and hear ARU running through Yield Not to
Temptation; the door was open since some guy was delivering beer.  They
come back at around 7:30, we wait for another 10-15 minutes.
	Finally we get in.  The place is pretty empty, as there were only
10 people in ahead of us.
	ZOOM!  I shoot immediately to the stage.  Carter is talking to
someone there.  Boyd walks in, violin case in hand.  I walk around the
club a bit.  I run into Dave:

Ben: Um, Dave, hi.  I just wanted to thank you for coming up to Boston. 
You know, I've seen in you in New York a couple of times but I figured now
that I am in school up here I'd never see you guys.
Dave: Well, sure.  What's your name?
Ben: Ben.
Dave: You know, Ben, we have an album that just came out.
Ben: Yeah.  I read a review of it from a guy in Charlottesville.  He said
you were doomed. [;-)just kidding netters!]

Anyway, after that I went back to the stage and planted myself between two
of the monitors.  Here's the club, as viewed from above:


__________________________________________________________________________  
          * balcony *                               |   
                    dan's friend, alex, soundboard  |
____________________________________________________|
 
the audience-- they came to see ARU but WERE IMPRESSED with DMB!!!
                                     my friend lisa
         _________________________me______daniel______________ 
         |  ___    ___        ___    ___         ___   ___   |
         |  \__\   \__\       |__|  |__|        /__/  /__/   |
         |     Leroi             Dave             Boyd       |
         |                               Stefan              |
         |        ______________      ______________         |
         |        |            |      |            |         |
         |        |  Apt. 258  |      |   Carter   |         |
         |        |            |      |            |         |
         |        |____________|      |____________|         |
         |___________________________________________________|
 

They played:
One Sweet World
Tripping Billies
Granny
Help (what song is this????)
Minarets ***With Carter and Apt.258 both playing drum set!!!!
Dancing Nancies
Lover Lay Down
Ants Marching ***With Carter and Apt.258 both playing drum set!!!!


Okay.  That's it for me!  I'll let Daniel take over-- but first:

All you C'villers and other Virginians who get to see Dave and company on
a regular, in fact quite frequent, basis, PLEASE realize just how lucky
you are.  I know that on the net are mostly the real fans and not the
drunken assholes who scream for Halloween and Warehouse every Tuesday
night at Trax and piss the band off, but come on!  I've got to go and
personally thank the guy to come up here (maybe next time he'll get to do
more than eight tunes) and some people down in Virginia give 'em a hard
time in their own backyard!

Oh well.  Enough of that.
And BTW, the album is pretty good on first impression, but I'll give a
full review in a while. (Leroi and Stefan rocked tonight, as usual, though.)


Thanks for listening, y'all.


--Ben


P.S. I haven't asked this in a while, but I want more information on John
Alagia, the album's producer and one half of the duo Derryberry and Alagia
(yes, Derryberry is thanked inside).  I forgot to ask Dave about this tonight.
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 4:43 PM Saturday, November 13, 1993
Subject: Enough.

I'm tired of the thread on my posting of the "[Very] Different Review."  I 
don't care if you didn't like it, Gregg, I posted it to create some hopefully 
intelligent discussion.  As I feared, the whole thing has completely 
degenerated into a stereotypical Greek-bashing fest (and my friend isn't even 
Greek, I guess his friend Marcus or whatever must be).  The insults to Greeks,
intelligence, etc. are just getting old so let's just drop it.  As I've said, 
I only hoped that we could take it from a positive, critical perspective 
instead of everyone getting pissed and screaming and yelling (wasting 
everyone's time defending the band).  I know you like the band, everyone does 
or you wouldn't be here reading this.  So anyway, let's move on please...


A thoroughly frustrated and proudly Greek Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 4:55 PM Saturday, November 13, 1993
Subject: Re: different review (long response)

This is a long post responding to two articles from yesterday's digests. 
Sorry for the length.  I believe some of the comments went a little too far
and that a public response is mandated.  (later, i will make up for this by
posting some more relevant info on the Boston DMB show.)

>i'll be perfectly honest.  as soon as i saw the reference to uva greek, i
>totally dismissed this article as not worth my time. 

i do know some about UVA greek and it turns me off, too.  however, as soon
as i see someone automatically dismissing an article on the net, i think
that person is a bit rash.

>as i mentioned before, i have very little respect for uva greek, based
>almost solely on my observance of their behaviour at dave matthews shows.

this is not my only reason for disliking the greek system at UVA.  i am
wondering if the fact that it is your only reference makes your judgement
unfounded.  do the fratsters at DMB shows represent all the fratstrers?  do
they all go to DMB?  oh, and the fact that Boyd kicks bootie on fiddle --
does that mean all blacks people are great fiddlers?  granted, the
fratsters at DMB shows may be exhibiting a typical attitude, but i think
it's unfair to increminate specific fratsters (namely, the author to whom
you were responding) on the basis of what you've seen some other "brothers"
do at shows.

>generally ignores what dave is
>trying to do,

FYI, "dave" would be known to most of the rest of us as "dave matthews
BAND"

>i can only assume that your
>freind is among this crowd, based on his reference to warehouse and
>halloween (FYI, 'dead and gone' would be known to most of us as 'rhyme
>or reason'),

Don't ASSUME anything, because it makes an ASS out of U and ME.  i think it
would be just fine for a non-fratster to dig Warehouse & Halloween.  i also
think it is okay to call a song by a different name, considering the true
official titles can't really be found out (unless Dave or someone announces
the name at a show you're at, or unless the song's on the newborn CD.) 
[e.g. ARU does a song which i call "Peace and Happiness" althogh i think
the real name may be something else (?)]  so, please don't critisize
someone based on that.  maybe we're not all as in-the-know as you are.
  
>i also assume that your freind comes from the base that thinks that boyd
>is the heart and soul of this band.  i don't think that i could imagine
>this band without his almost hillbilly addition to the band, but it's
>called 'the dave matthews band' for a reason.

why?  because "Dave Matthews" is the heart and soul of the BAND?  it might
as well be the "Joe Schmo Band" for all i care.  *if* any member outshines
the others, i don't think it's Dave, based on the ONE performance i've
seen.  for the most part, they function as a group.  they belong together. 
granted, i have not seen any Dave solo.  i'm just unsure if your comment
meant "Dave is the heart" or "The whole band is the heart."

>i'm so pissed at the narrow-mindedness of what i just read that i can't
>even organize my thoughts on the subject. 

speaking of which...  welcome to your own world, man.

> your freind apparently doesn't
>know jack shit about the music industry, and the hassles of signing
>contracts and such,

should he be expected to know?  is that what makes one cool, to know the
grit about the scene?  yeah, i'm personally into knowing and analyzing, but
it is not my expectation (read: prejudice) that others should know.

> and should be clued into the fact that a major label
>deal is in the works that should produce us a full studio disc next year.

uh huh.  *how* exactly should he know this?  i know 'cause i read
MINERATSnet daily.  is everyone else supposed to just glean the information
from signs in the heavens?  sure, c-villers have lots of opportunities to
find that information, IF they choose to associate with folks who know.

>but still, dave is far from doomed.  this is not dave's definitive work,
>nor is he making it out to be.  'remember two things' is a debut album.

great point!  same can be said for "the white album" by Phish.

>and tell your freind that he lives in
>c-ville, and is more than welcome to go to TRAX each and every tue night
>until he hears his beloved halloween song or spotlight.

say you had a favorite character in a book.  in a series of books,
actually.  but there are lots of other characters, with a variety of
personalities and stories, and the author sort of rotates through telling
about each of them as they come to interact.  would you be psyched to
purchace a book per week until one finally involved your hero?  No.  you
should not be expected to be elated about that.  if someone wants to hear a
song and he doesn't ever seem to catch it at the shows he goes to, he
shouldn't be expected to start shelling out time and money EVERY WEEK for a
band.  he has a right to hope for certain songs without being
MINERATSer-than-thou.  everyone who likes a band doesn't have to be a total
loyalist.  now, if he starts yelling for songs throughout the shows, then
he becomes obnoxious and is invading on everyone else's good time.

FROM A DIFFERENT AUTHOR:
>Well Reid...next time don't forward worthless opinions...

well, next time don't be so close-minded.  no opinion is worthless, though
it may be wrong (an opinion again, see?).  So, folks, please do continue to
forward info relevant to DMB.  pro and con are welcome.  this is not a net
for DMB cheerleaders alone, it's for all pertinate discussion.

>Wrong.   Your pompous attitude towards this band is disgusting...shut up...

"pompus attitude"  =  "shut up"
practice what you preach, fellow.

>I doubt you have ever listened to Dave's incredible lyrical talent.  This
>statement is among your most ignorant. 

do you really know how much someone has listened to Dave's lyrics?  I am
personnally still mulling over their value myself.  no judgement yet. 
would it be okay with you if i did decide i don't like the words?

>Is it really a flat performance?

well, as a matter of a fact, it sounds pretty flat to me too in some ways. 
which is not to say DMB screwed up;  i think WSP's albums and Phish's
albums are flat as well. 

>...thank you again...moron...

nice personal attack.  throw a few more of those in and maybe you'll get as
popular as Hitler became.  very very good!  let's discourage any
non-mainstream opinions!  yea! (sarcasm, albeit somewhat true...)

>Known to the rest of the world as Rhyme or Reason...

oh, sorry.  i didn't know one had to be a DMB guru to post.  fact of the
matter is, I didn't know that either, and i've been netting since MINERATS
inception.  passing on information is cool, but being critical of someone's
minor mistakes of semantics is not.

>Yo yo yo boyeeee!  It aint on no Columbia!  Go back to the hood dork
>...oops...forgot you are
>really really dumb!

ummm.  what kind of a statement is that?  please clarify "hood dork."
oh, and i suppose you think Galeleio [spell] was really really dumb too,
just because his opinion was different?

>Leroi and Stephan are INTEGRAL parts of the band.  I won't even bother trying
>to convince you.

your time on the net would be spent much better if you did offer your
insights into the musicians.  i personally like them as they are, but i can
understand someone only liking some members.  i feel that way about other
bands.

>You are stomping on all of our buzzes...

So are you.

>This was written by Gregg Carrier.  stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
>Any comment/criticisms/death threats should be directed to him. 

sorry, i felt your publicly stated comments should be answered in public.
i apoligize to anyone who didn't want to sit through this kind of
arguement.
i will now post a more DMBish piece.

love,daniel

----------gnome boy------------


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 5:35 PM Saturday, November 13, 1993
Subject: DMB & ARU 11/12/93 Boston, MA (my review)

>Okay.  That's it for me!  I'll let Daniel take over--

well, here i am.  i will offer my additions to Ben's comments and include a
bit about the ARU set (you'll see why).

> Daniel and a friend of his decide to go exploring-- they
>go around back of the club and hear ARU running through Yield Not to
>Temptation; the door was open since some guy was delivering beer. 

maybe this is trivial, but i saw what i think is DMB's van behind the club.
 And i am *sorry* for them.  They must be stuffed in there pretty tight. 
ARU's van is small, too.

>Anyway, after that I went back to the stage and planted myself between two
>of the monitors.  Here's the club, as viewed from above:
[Ben inserted a nice graphic here...  good job, Ben!]

okay, here's what else i have to say:

that was my first time to see DMB, and i've only heard two live tapes. 
They were excellent.  I am psyched that this band is obviously on the
upswing.  They have much creative universe ahead of them.  Is there any
need for me to say that Boyd is a diety?  I've seen a lot of fiddlers (in
the hills of Arkansas), and Boyd is magical in his ability to mesh that
sound with DMB.  Leroi is cool, but i think he was a little nervous when he
jammed with ARU.  it took him a few hesitant blows on his horn to get
comfortably in the groove.  Stefan was good.  Just good.  Quite good, but
after seeing Oteil (ARU) it is hard to imagine they are playing the same
instument.  But that's typical;  Stefan will continue to develop his own
style, i'm sure.  Carter is wonderful, and he worked especially well with
Apt.Q258 of ARU.  Their simul-timing on Ants Marching was a sight!  And
then there's Dave...  i have this premonition that he grows on ya'.  His
guitar was not particularly noteworthy, but his vocals: i didn't groove on
them (vocals) too much YET, but i think it just takes getting used to so
i'll know when he's really going off...  he has a commanding stage presence
that i like.  and, he has written some hot tunes!

Ben didn't tell y'all about the ARU set.  Members of DMB guested on most of
the tunes, so i will include the setlist with all the notes of
who-guested-when.  ARU are amazing at adapting to new sounds and new
members, so the infusion of Carter, Boyd, and Leroi was perfect.


ARU  11/12/93 at the Paradise in Boston, MA

Jam#                                   (# = w/out Col. Bruce)
Pay Day
Compared to What?
Yeild Not to Temptation
Spoonful
Salty Dog
Basically Frightened*                 (* = w/ Carter)
Time is Free * -->
   Jams# --> Bass [oh wow!] -->
      Time is Free*
Peace and Happiness*+  -->         (+ = w/ Leroi)
   Space is the Place*+ -->
      Drums (Aprt. Q258)  -->  Drums (Carter) -->
         Space is the Place*+  -->
            Chazoid jam -->
               Fixin' to Die*+& -->                (& = w/ Boyd)
                  dying game jam  (ARU's antics)
Tronderossa*
Time Flack
No Egos Underwater*
Two Truckloads
Cheese Frog

e:   Workin' on a Building -->
         Bass -->
             Workin' (w/ Apt. Q258 on Carter's drums)

y'all have already seen the DMB set, so no need to repost.
When Dave sang "what you see is huuuuuuman," it was one of the few lines i
knew and understood, and i just felt a great MINERATSpower.  Sooooo
Enjoyable!

I couldn't buy the stare-e-o-gram poster because if i hung it in my dorm
room, i wouldn't do any homework.  Remember Two Things... 8-)

Oh, and did you guys here that DMB are relocating to Rhode Island?  What
unbelievable luck for me!  [just kidding]  Well, maybe they will make it up
this way again.  The crowd seemed to be showing a ton of support.  I wish
they would've come out into the crowd to get a feel for how much we liked
'em.  Good show, ol' chaps!

"So why would you care to get out of this place?
You and me and all our friends, such a happy human race!"

love,daniel

-------------gnome boy-----------------
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