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Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:34 PM Sunday, November 14, 1993
Subject: the new,improved dave matthews FAQ!!

THE DAVE MATTHEWS BAND and MINARETS.NET FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FILE.
This FAQ was compiled with the gracious help of Ellis of Lemuria,
Alex Crothers, Rick Thompson, and Gregg Carrier.  Any questions
which you feel should be added to this FAQ should be addressed
to Rick Thompson at stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu.
 
This file last revised on 11-3-93.
 
This file is organized as follows:
     Section A: Net Questions
A1. Minarets.Net: What is it? How do i subscribe? post? unsubscribe?
     Section B: Band Questions
B1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band?
B2. Peter Greiser: Who was he?  Why did he leave the band?
B3. Other regulars: Who is the flautist?  the hammond organist?
     Section C: Music Questions
C1. What about this new album?
C2. Is there a lyrics file? How do i get it?
**Sections D & E are borrowed from the Phish.faq.file with permission.**
**Please see the note at the beginning of section D.                  **
     Section D: Taping Questions
D1. LIVE RECORDING: can i? what equipment do i need? *******NEEDS ANSWER!!
D2. TAPES: what REALLY high qual tapes are around? where? **NEEDS ANSWER!!
D3. TAPE TREE: what is it? how does it work? should i do one?
D4. TAPELIST: what is it? what's in it? do i need one?
D4B: TRADE: What is a tape trade? how do i get into one?
D4C: BEGINNER tape trades, adopt a phreak, reverse grovels
     Section E: Dubbing hints, suggestions
E4: PATCHING IN etiquette (needs to be answered!!)
E5: DCC and DAT compared and considered
 
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                     SECTION A:   NET QUESTIONS
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A-1. What is Minarets.Net and how do I subscribe?
 
Alex Crothers writes:
Basically minarets.Net was initially started by myself(Alex Crothers)
with the help of Ellis of Lemuria and Eric Budke.  I got involved with
the DMB through my brother who began booking them when they first
formed and is now their "unofficial" photographer.  The name of the
Net comes from a song that will appear on their forthcoming album
(Nov. 9) and was suggested by Ellis. Originally Sreaming from the
Minarets, the band shorten the name of the song to Minarets.  So the
name of the Net went from Sreaming_From_The_Minarets.Net to Minarets.Net.
I guess we all got lucky. $-)
 
This Net is somewhat different than other musical nets that you may be
familiar with.  To begin with it is not automatically digestified (see
below) so whenever you send a message to Minarets it gets sent to all
the subscribers immediately.  Another aspect of this net that is different
than other nets is in the way you subscribe/unsubscribe.
This mailing list is run through through the University of Vermont so it
is subject to their rules/laws.
 
--How do I subscribe?
Send the message "subscribe minarets <YOUR NAME>" to listproc@moose.uvm.edu
<your name> is just your regular name i.e. Dave Pothead.
Don't worry about a subject
 
--How do I make minarets digestified?
send the message "set minarets mail digest" to listproc@moose.uvm.edu
Again, don't worry about a subject.
easy enough
 
--How do I post to minarets?
Send message to minarets@moose.uvm.edu.
 
--How do I unsubscribe from minarets?
First of all, why would you want to? 8-)
This one I'm not 100% sure on, maybe only 67.8% sure:
I THINK you send the message "unsubscribe minarets <YOUR NAME>" to
listproc@moose.uvm.edu
Let me know if someone tries that and it doesn't work
 
Now a little bit about me.  I'm a student at University of Vermont so I do
have other things to do (i.e. tape trading, hiking, skiing, partying,
recording bands that come through the area, and, oh yeah, studying) but
hopeflly this won't take a lot of my time once I get it fine tuned.  It can
pretty much run itself. I hope. $-)  If you have any problems or questions
about the workings of the net, let me know: jcrother@moose.uvm.edu
 
Thanks
Alex Crothers
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                   SECTION B:   BAND QUESTIONS
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B-1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band?
 
....The Members:
Dave Matthews -- guitar, vocals (amazing voice!)
Carter Beauford -- percussion, vocals  (jam on!)
Stefan Lessard -- bass (thump and grind, and he's 18!!)
LeRoi Moore -- woodwinds (esp saxophone!!, flute), vocals
Boyd Tinsley -- violin (read: FIDDLE!!!), vocals
...
....The Band:
The Dave Matthews Band draws from the distinct talents and styles
of its five members to create a uniquely compelling pop sound
that combines the influences of folk, jazz, rock, world beat, and
reggae.  Some of it seems like a cross between Bob Dylan, Hot
Tuna, and Michael Stipe, parts are remniscent of a funky Miles
Davis, and parts sound like the Seldom Scene and Ziggy Stardust
mixed together. In an unknown show in the spring of 93, Dave
described the song "One Sweet World" as a sort of "Virginia
country funk," which is yet another way of inadequately describing
their unique sound.
....Dave Matthews, the band's namesake and formerly a Charlottes-
ville bartender, began assembling the group in 1991.  A self-
taught guitarist and an inspiring poet from South Africa,
Dave Mathews has said that the goal of his music is "lifting
spirits" and this band reaches that goal.
....Carter Beauford, a past regular on BET (Black Entertainment
Television) and son of a jazz trumpet player, helps tie the band's
various elements together.
....Stefan has played upright bass in clubs  since he was 15, was 16
when DMB was formed, and continues to get more powerful and controlled
every show.
....LeRoi has played with Carter and John D'Earth (amazing trumpet
player!!; catch him on Bruce Hornsby's new disc and on a 60-show
tour with Hornsby this fall) at paying gigs and informal jam sessions
around Charlottesville for years; the man can jam!!
.....Last, but certainly not least, Boyd Tinsley: he doesn't like
to sing (but sounds great when he does), but man can he play that
fiddle!  At three HORDE shows this summer, as well as at the Red
Rocks Amphitheatre, the crowd went NUTS each time Boyd appeared.
Boyd played as wonderfully to that crowd of some 9,000 in July as
he did on a lawn, in the rain, for ten folks sitting in grass
last May.  He's cool-natured and friendly beyond belief; all he
wants is to play, and boy can he!  You ain't heard Watchtower
until you've heard the DMB's arrangement with Boyd's SMOKING
solo!
.....DMB has played ALL over Virginia, but has also played dates
in SC, NC, GA, AL, NY, IL, CO, MD, DC, TN, and I can't begin to
remember where else. You may have seen them or heard about them
playing Feb. 6 at the Ritz (NYC) playing with members of the
Allmans, Widespread, PHISH, Blues Traveler, and I've forgotten
who else.
 
--
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
      "Sophisticated technology makes the superstitious
       and irrational seem reasonable."--Abbie Hoffman
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
       Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...
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B-2. Peter Greiser: Who was he and why did he leave the band?
>Warren Goodrich, goodrwh9@ac.wfu.edu writes:
In answer to the question: why Peter left the band?
(For those of you who don't know he was the keyboard player, and he left the
band in late March of this year.)  I saw DMB play at Salem College here in
Winston-Salem on April 5, and apparently he had just left.  During the
intermission, I asked Boyd why he left.  He said that since Peter was married
and had just got a house, he was tired of all the traveling and wanted to be at
home with his family.
Hope that is somewhat of answer.
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From: "I'd like to lick the coil someday." <STU_GJCARRIE@JMUVAX.BITNET>
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
Subject: Tuesday's(11-2-93) show...
 
On Peter...this is from Dave...Apparently Peter left only because the schedule
was too much and he was tired of it...Dave didn't seem apprehensive at all
about discussing the Peter situation, but said he wasn't going to play People
People because he and Pete wrote it together.  He did say he'd like to record
it sometime.
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B-3: Who are some of these other regulars jammin with the band?
     the flautist?  the hammond organist?
|From Gregg Carrier, stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu:
On the flute...Richard Harding is his name and he's a really nice guy.  I saw
him at my first DMB show a little over a year ago, but Tuesday was the first
time I met him.
 
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                 SECTION C:   MUSIC QUESTIONS
========================================================================
What about this new album?
 
this information is provided by
Thane Kerner, Charlottesville VA
BaylorF@aol.com
 
------------------------------
 
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 18:35:51 EST
From: baylorf@aol.com
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
Subject: OFFICIAL CD INFO
 
Here is the official and definitive information on the upcoming CD release by
DMB:
 
The disc is called "Remember Two Things." The release date is Tuesday,
November 9. The band will play Trax that night, but three record stores will
have midnight release parties at 12:01 am 11/9 (Plan 9 Charlottesville, P9
Richmond, and Town & Campus Harrisonburg).
 
The track listing has been slightly modified since our previous announcement;
"Seek Up" has been added, so the actual; listing is now:
 
Ants Marching/Tripping Billies/Recently/Satellite/One Sweet World/The Song
That Jane Likes/Minarets/Seek Up/I'll Back You Up/Christmas Song.
 
The songs were recorded at Trax in Charlottesville, Flood Zone (Richmond),
The Muse (Nantucket) and one studio track, "Minarets," was recorded at Flat
Five Studios in Salem, VA. Joh Alagia produced the disc along with the band.
 
Other factoids:
-The CD insert will include a complete lyric sheet.
-A cassette will be available around the 1st of December.
-Along with the album, a limited edition 22 x 28 poster featuring a large
version of the stereogram on the CD cover will be available; the three stores
doing the midnight opening will have them, but they will also be available at
shows.
-If your local store doesn't know about DMB, you can order the disk and/or
poster directly from Bama Rags Records at (804) 979-9695. However, it will be
much appreciated (even if you order direct) if you'll tell your local stores
about the band and ask them to get some copies to sell. They can call Bama
Rags directly to do so.
 
The band is currently negotiating a major-label deal. It has become
complicated because several new majors have become interested late in the
game. The deal was supposed to be done by the end of this month, but a
bidding war may ensue and delay things. In any event, there won't be any new
DMB recorded product released other than Remember Two Things before the
middle of 1994.
 
Incidentally, the band's management does have access to this net and welcomes
everyone's interest. On their behalf we say Thanks to Alex, Ellis and
everyone responsible. Interesting messages will be passed on to band members
when time permits, so you can pose questions directly to them. [Note: it will
often tak a while to get replies, because they travel a lot, so have
patience.]
 
Keep posting, and enjoy R2T.
----------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 00:05:14 EST
From: baylorf@aol.com
Subject: ADDTL CD COMMENTS
 
In reply to some of the comments and questions posted since the latest
clarification about the new CD, I offer the following:
 
The CD is based on live shows, since only "Minarets" and "Seek Up" are purely
studio recordings. However, the recordings have been overdubbed, remixed, and
otherwise improved. They are of a significantly higher quality than any live
tape of this band...and believe me, we have tapes of about all of 'em. While
I agree that the band could really shine in the studio, that will happen best
with a major-label budget. This product is an excellent introduction to the
band and will meet the immediate demands of the existing fan base. If most
DMB fans have to choose between this excellent record now, or waiting for a
truly studio LP in mid-'94 (which we will get anyway), I think they will
"vote with their pocketbooks" as the saying goes. We shall see.
 
In regard to the lyrics being included, this is always a quandry. However, I
think we get the best of both worlds, because while we will see clearly the
writing talent Dave has, the mystery will be retained because the lyrics, as
many of you know, change from show to show, and will continue to do so. So,
you will get the lyrics as of a certain night in October 1993, but it is not
by any means the definitive or permanent set. For the record, they will be
printed clearly and completely.
 
I hope as many of you as can will be in Charlottesville for the 9th...it
should be an amazing evening.
 
 
--------------------------------------------
C2. Is there a lyrics file? How do i get it?
 
There is a lyrics file being put together by Rick Thompson,
Gregg Carrier, and Brett Horton of James Madison University.
And as of 10-28-93, it held 17 songs.  To get the file, simply
send a request to Rick at stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu.  In
your request, specify whether you want a single copy of the
file, or if you want to be added to a permanent mailing list
which will send you updated versions weekly or biweekly until
the list is complete.
 
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                   SECTION D:  TAPING QUESTIONS
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***********************************NOTICE**********************************
*   This section was graciously donated by Ellis of Lemuria from          *
*   the Phish FAQ.file.  Any references to the 'net' within this          *
*   section are specifically referring to Phish.net, but apply to         *
*   Minarets net as well.  Any material that is Phish specific            *
*   within this section of the Phish FAQ.file has been deleted            *
*   for our purposes here, and have been noted as such.  Any              *
*   material added by Rick is noted by {squiggle brackets}.               *
***********************************NOTICE**********************************
 
     Section D: Tape Questions
D1. LIVE RECORDING: can i? what equipment do i need?
D2. TAPES: what REALLY high qual tapes are around? where?
D3. TAPE TREE: what is it? how does it work? should i do one?
D4. TAPELIST: what is it? what's in it? do i need one?
D4B: TRADE: What is a tape trade? how do i get into one?
D4C: BEGINNER tape trades, adopt a phreak, reverse grovels
     Section E: Dubbing hints, suggestions
E4: PATCHING IN etiquette (needs to be answered!!)
E5: DCC and DAT compared and considered
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**********   SECTION D: TAPE QUESTIONS
TOPICS: recording, finding tapes, tape trees, tapelists,
abbreviations, dubbing, dolby & dbx.
=================================================
D1. LIVE RECORDING: can i? what equipment do i need?
For the most part, The Dave Matthews Band is very receptive to
taping.  The general way to go about it at this point is to
walk to the front door of the venue and ask permission.  Usually
you will be allowed to, but with the lack of a contract on the
matter, I wouldn't always count on it.  When more info on this
subject becomes available, it will be added here.
==================================================
D2. TAPES: what REALLY high qual tapes are around? where?
{In Phish.faq.file, this questions serves the purpose of      }
{telling what really great show are on tape, and circulating. }
{With the current status of DMB tapes being very vague, this  }
{question is currently unanswered.  If you can suggest a      }
{specific show to add to this list, send to Rick Thompson     }
{stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu.                               }
Some particular shows to keep an eye out for are van Ryper's 92,
11-17-92/TRAX, 3-23-93/TRAX, and 10-26-93/TRAX.
=================================================
D-3: TAPE TREE: what is it? how does it work? should i do one?
Note: send tree-pholk list info to Gregg at
STU_GJCARRIE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
|From Lee Silverman  <ST101137@brownvm.brown.edu>:  A Tape Tree is
a way of distributing a popular tape to a large number of people.
 By using a tape tree, rather than having one person make 75
copies of a tape, everyone gets their tapes faster & there's much
less work involved for the owner of the tapes.
  The basic Premise is this:  I have a tape that everyone wants.
So I post to the net, saying that I'm running a tree.  In that
post I include a form for people to fill out & send back to me.
(most  of the info on these forms gets used, so always fill out
the whole thing) After about a week of waiting, I compile all the
replies into a "tree," where I arrange to make copies for 5 or so
people. Each of those 5 people is given a list of 5 other people
whom they are to make tapes for.  Each of them makes copies for 5
people, & so on depending on how big the tree is.
  Usually the people who are higher up in trees are the people
with the best taping equipment, so the tapes lose less of their
sound quality.  If you are on a tree you have one or two
responsibilities:  The first is to get the tapes (this applies to
everyone).  You do this by either sending blanks to, or trading
with, the person above you.  (Whether you send blanks or trade
generally has little to do with your placement within the tree).
The second responsibility you *may* have will be to copy the
tapes for a certain number of other people.  They may either
trade with you or just send blanks.  At that point your role in
the tree has been fulfilled.
   If you want specific info on how to set up a tree, write Lee
<Pandion@Brown.edu> for some suggestions.
 
{Phish specific material deleted}
 
     Other things to consider:  1) Like it or not, there are some
slackers on the net; expect that there may some problems, and
that no tree will run perfectly smoothly, then be ready to patch
lost branches to parents with a small burden.  2) Try to make
your tree run well anyway, to preserve netiquette and tape
quality, not to mention trust and credibility of and on the net
process. Lee and Ellis are willing to give suggestions, at least,
if not administrative help.  3) Running a tree does involve some
time, not only to create the tree -- which itself could involve
assimilation and organization of a hundred or more names and
addresses, and being sure that those addresses and the tree links
get hooked to the right people -- but to make tapes for the
branches, settle any problems that arise, deal with orphaned
leaves, etc.  Remember, there is a difference between the person
administrating, the person rooting, and the person seeding the
tree. 4) The tree administrator is not the only person with
responsibilities; as Lee said, everyone on the tree is
responsible for his sections, and may at some point be asked to
help out with stragglers, orphans, and late comers; there is no
pressure, but there will be requests.  5) If you have a great
tape(s) but not the experience, time, understanding, or interets
to run a tree, you could ROOT your tapes to someone who IS ready
to run the tree.  Just post a note to the net (mail to
phish@phish.net) with the subject "Need Adm for <date> tree".
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D-4: TAPELIST: what is it? what's in it? do i need one?
     A tapelist gives relevant info about boots you have.
     A tapelist is useful for two reasons: to let you keep up
with what you have (which assumes that you have more than a
handful of boots) & to make it easier to let others see what you
have (which assumes that you might one day be interested in
trading for other tapes.)  That is, even if you dont think one of
these items is useful to have on your list, you ought to at least
be able to give the relevant info on any particular tape.
     There is no consensus on form, order, or meaning (esp
generation determination); Ellis tried very hard to find one.
BTW, number gens how you want & be prepared to explain your
standarization; there is no *right* answer.  But, important info
for each tape might include any or all of the following:
band/performer [mostly phish, of course:)], date, set(s), venue,
location of venue, source (FM broadcast, audience, soundboard,
monitor feed, suzy-Q, studio, board remix), generation (you
define!), whether the original was digital, whether your copy is
on metal, whether your copy has been dolby-ized, some form of
grading (try A, B, C; + or - for hiss & noise; try to be strict,
it'll come to you), & any other comments (eg first {Granny}, only
show with {an acoustic Tripping Billies, etc).
    A note on subjectivity: There is a difference between tape
quality and performance quality. You may want two systems, both
numbered, both lettered, one letters and the other suffixes
(+,-,=,*,etc) or whatever works for you. Just be sure that you
know what it is and that you can decipher it for anyone who asks.
 
{Phish specific material deleted}
 
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D-4B: What is a trade?
You dub a tape & pay for postage; someone else does the same.
(or, you might just send blanks; see D4 and D4C). The two of you
discuss quality, length, choices, whatever you want beforehand, &
mail to each other.  This is the way that most tapes get spread
out across the globe, though most tapes made are probably the
dubs off of trades.  One netter who currently has 160hrs, for
instance, got 140 of those hours by net trade.
| From: Pat Loughery <patlo@microsoft.com> Sep 23 21:09:37 EDT
| 1993
    answers inserted by Ellis of Lemuria
| What's the best way to go about setting up trades with other
| net.phish heads?
    talk to them on email or meet them at shows. you can grovel
or respond to discussion of tapes (but see below), but you can
also just talk with folks about their favorite songs and versions
and shows, on email or irc or the phone or in lots at shows, and
eventually you'll run into the knowledge of someone's having
something you want. thats much better than just copying
everything you can get your hands on.
| I've arranged a half-dozen or so trades mostly by responding to
| posted grovels, but how do the "old-timers" in this group go
| about it?
    many people have known each other for months or even years
through the net and just get in contact every now and then to
trade lists again. keep track of with whom you trade and check in
with them again in 4, 6, or 8 months. Youll be surprised!
| Do you just pick out somebody at random and send them mail
| soliciting a trade?  That seems almost rude, but how do you
| run into more experienced folks with big tapelists other than
| through pure chance?  Picking up specific shows seems as easy
| as waiting for somebody to mention that they have it, or
| posting a specific request, but what if I just want more live
| Phish in general?
    You can just send a request for that show if you want, but if
it's old, very recent, rare, or good quality... actually, with
just about any tape given the current size of the net, there are
bound to be many others doing the same thing.  If every mention
of a tape gets mail responses of 30 requests for that tape, the
net is going to see a HUGE loss of discussions of tapes people
have. That is, if netiquette cant keep up with growth of the net,
the net is going to experience some qualitative losses.
    If you do it, make an offer in your first mailing, rather
than a general "can I have it" question. Send your list with a
few suggestions at the top; dont just suggest something, cause if
the person has it, he may ignore your request. Dont expect an
answer immediately, and BY ALL MEANS dont hound for an answer;
even that takes time. It may not happen the same day or week; may
take two weeks, but after that you should try again or forget it.
================================================
D-4C: How can a beginner get tapes?
Sometimes, it seems hard to get something from nothing, but
you've got a few things going for you. First of all, the
generosity of folks on the net.  Watch the net for periodic
"beginner tape offers" and "reverse tape grovels." Details
relevant to each are usually explained with the posting. It might
involve trading, but will probably just require you to send money
or blanks and postage. There's also the possibility to be a leaf
on a tree even if you dont have tapes; in fact, that's a great
place to be on a tree!
And, hey! If you have many tapes (over 50? 100!? 200!?!) post a
message and offer this service to the first five, ten, or fifteen
folks that respond. Have them send you blanks and tape some of
your best for them! You'll be glad you did!
 
{Phish specific material deleted}
 
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**********   SECTION E: TAPE QUESTIONS
TOPICS:  patching in and the differences between dat
         and dcc.
=======================================================
In general netiquette trading terms, the following seem
standards, or at least safe bases for order: Mail cassette cases
unless you've agreed otherwise. Don't use dolby unless you've
agreed otherwise (since it cant be undone). Write on the back of
the cassette labels slip unless you've mentioned or asked about
writing on the J-cards. Knock out tabs after recording.  And
REUSE YOUR MAILING ENVELOPES!! Them suckers take up landfill
space like... well... something voluminous!
=======================================================
 
{*****DUE to the technicality of sections E-1 through E-4 of the     }
{     Phish.FAQ, I've decided not to include it here.  If you are    }
{     interested in learning more about this topic(levels, azimuth   }
{     adjustment, and dolby specifics), the Phish.FAQ can be         }
{     requested at                                                   }
{                                   -Rick                            }
 
{Question E-4 is a more or less Phish specific question, but the     }
{ethics of the question do apply to taping the Dave Matthews Band.   }
{At this point, I do not know if Dave Matthews will continue allowing}
{taping, as openly as he has, after his CD is released, we can only  }
{hope for the best.  Please send your answers/suggestions directly to}
{Ellis of Lemuria, jeg5s@virginia.edu.                               }
 
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E-4: PATCHING IN etiquette (not answered yet)
We need input from tapers (to jeg5s@virginia.edu) to construct an
answer to this.  I realize that there are enormous demands, and
far too little thanks, laid at the feet of tapers, but I also
realize that many of them, at one time or another, have only been
able to patch in. So... what's ok?
From: Pat Loughery <patlo@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu Sep 23 21:09:37 EDT 1993
|I'm considering the purchase of a DAT deck to tape at Phish and
|other shows, now that I've realized how fun it is to have live
|music around the house.  What's the etiquette involved in
|patching into somebody else's deck who has a better setup than
|you?  Or into a soundboard?  Is it considered appropriate only to
|patch into somebody that you know, or can you just go up to a
|random taper or soundboard guy and ask him/her if you can patch
|into his stuff?
=========================================================
E-5: DCC and DAT, compared and considered
From: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jens Rodenberg)
Subject: Re: New DAT Format Question
Date: Mon Oct 11 14:49:11 EDT 1993
SBGOND@BNLDAG.AGS.BNL.GOV (JOHN-SONDERICKER) writes:
|       Hey has anybody used or bought the new digital tape
| format type decks?  [some text deleted...]  Does this deck
| sound as good as a DAT?
I think it may be time for a new FAQ entry... :-)
Both DCC (Digital Compact Cassette by Philips) and MD (Mini Disc
by Sony)  use a lossy compression method.  Not all of the
original signal will be retained when making copies onto DCC or
MD.  Whether or not it is audibly noticeable may depend on many
things, such as the compression and decompression algorithms, the
audio equipment, or the listener.  The music is also likely to
deteriorate as it goes through multiple generations.  For a
digital format, I believe that this is totally unacceptable.
Quality of good music should not be sacrificed when not
necessary.  At the moment, DAT is the only format (besides PCM
which is somewhat obsolete now) that allows accurate digital
reproduction at a reasonable price, and I recommend DAT over DCC
or MD.  The prices of DAT decks and tapes are generally
comparable or cheaper than DCC or MD, and either (or both) DCC or
MD will probably die out soon.  As Philips has recently said in a
DCC ad: "Your music will never be the same!"  I couldn't have
said that better myself!  Go DAT!!!
|Are DAT decks soon to be a thing of the past?
Soon?  No- DAT is entrenched in the professional and high-end
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Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 10:11 PM Sunday, November 14, 1993
Subject: last night

Who wants to post the setlist to the Trinity show?  It would be appreciated.

--Ben

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:24 AM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: DMB on TV

This mayhave already been here...I havent hada chance to check my
mail...DMB was on Charlottesville local news (Dateline on
WVIR...way low tech) tonight.Many clips of on-stageness.Bits of
interview with Dave.Some clips with some ofthe 400 folks that
waitedoutside Plan 9 to get a disc and get in signed.

I'm assumingthat, as usual, Dateline will get re-aired around1:30
am. Ifit happens, Ill have cords wired from the TV to catch the
DMB segment for filler onthose tree tapes that havent been mailed
yet.

BTW, a third of the tree should be well underway, as close to
halfof the tapes for branchparents have been mailed. The
remainder are of two sorts. Those that Ive found will be getting
theirs in the mail pronto to complete the tree. Those that
aren't answering, I dont have an address and I'm not into taking
risks anymore. I'll pick let orphans know who they are within
a few days and place them in the structure. Alltold., the
tree shouldbe completed 10 days from now. Slow, but larger than I
thought, and the first for this net.


-- 
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
      "Sophisticated technology makes the superstitious
       and irrational seem reasonable."--Abbie Hoffman
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
       Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 3:48 AM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: uh, wottong?

this is the second time i've done this, so i'm really sorry about
the waste, but "WOTTONG@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU"?
your mail bounced again.
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jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 4:39 AM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: i hate true reflections....so what?

this is mainly directed towards kerry about so blatently(sp?)
destroying lover.  not everyone hates that song.  like i said,
i hate true reflections, and i'm not terribly fond of satellite.
but i don't publicly flame the band for playing either one.
obviously, i like lover, and i was one of the people who asked.
 
the reason dave hasn't been playing halloween lately(this is just a
guess) is because he has no voice right now.  he's had a cold for
about two weeks and we can all see how difficult a song halloween
is to sing, and he did play drive in, drive out and halloween
three weeks ago at trax.
 
also, i think it was keller who mentioned something about the 'babble'
that we know and love.  us pholks here at jmu call it 'dave talk' and
i feel like that's a pretty cool way to refer to it.
 
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jmu box 5388
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Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 12:20 PM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: DMB tree prelist

Here's the list of names I have for the 10/26 Trax Dave Matthews tree.
The tree will be posted later this week. Please check your name and
email address and let me know if it is incorrect.

Thanks,
Dave - dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu



Aaron Amosson		aamosson@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Allan Keeton		akeeton@ucsd.edu
Andrew Robertson	anjrober@journalism.indiana.edu
Andy Zaff		abz@world.std.com
Ben Sterling		Nebuious@aol.com
Ben Tanen		btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Bill Shaw		bills@sco.com
Brett Kingswell		bmking@mail.wm.edu
Brian Kreowski		kreowskw@ava.bcc.orst.edu
Brian Lipman		chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Charlie Whittaker	caw9c@dayhoff.med.Virginia.edu
Chip Lange		clange@ea.com
Chris Forinash		cvf@nwu.edu
Craig Iannazzi		cpi92380@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Daniel W Schar		dan@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu
Danny Rillera		dgr@chem.ucsd.edu
Darren Cokin		cokin@scf.usc.edu
David Bader		dbader@eng.umd.edu
David Plunkett		st002314@brownvm.brown.edu
Doug Maclin		maclin@brahms.udel.edu
Ed Sapir		sapire@carleton.edu
Emily Conjura		conjuraem@urvax.urich.edu
Eric Doherty		Edoherty@Macalstr.edu
Eric Handler		st201383@Brownvm.Brown.Edu
Eric Hesse		ewhesse@amherst.edu
Gary Shank		p30gds1@mvs.cso.niu.edu
Graham Spice		gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Harley Ferguson		hbf1@lehigh.edu
Jamie Treworgy		jamie@access.digex.com
Jay Flaherty		fty@ornl.gov
Jeremy of Aglide	JEROTTON@apollo.davidson.edu
Jeremy Lew		jlew@buffalo.trystero.com
Jerry Malloy		malloy@osprey.hac.com
Jim Meagher		meagherja@urvax.urich.edu
Jim Pollock		JimmieRow@aol.com
Jonathan Epstein	jepstein@titan.ucs.umass.edu
Jonathan Wolfe		x47721a3@usma10.usma.edu
Joseph A Vastola Jr	vastolj@alleg.edu
Keller Foster		fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Kerry Kriger		kmk4g@virginia.edu
Kim Long		klong@sura.net
Libby Wilson		libby@progress.com
Lizard Man		dalton@isidis.colorado.edu
Mark Hamilton		hamilton@email.unc.edu
Matt Vernon		mfv@ulysses.att.com
Matt Wallenstein	MD_Wallenste@acad.fandm.edu
Merc Pittinos		mercp@acpub.duke.edu
Nat May			namay@apollo.davidson.edu
Noel Cross		noelc@microsoft.com
Rhett Baldwin		jrbaldwi@eos.ncsu.edu
Rick Thompson		stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
Rob Allen		akcs.rob24@vpnet.chi.il.us
Rob Walker		rgw@sunbar.mc.duke.edu
Robert McMullen		robert@askinc.ask.com
Rody Biggert		biggert@mail.bucknell.edu
Sami Kitmitto		kitmitto@students.wisc.edu
Scott Brannan		sbrannan@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Scott Shurr		face@world.std.com
Scott Sirotkin		gt0004b@prism.gatech.edu
Shawn Peters		gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Steve Mayer		nmayer@uva386.schools.virginia.edu
Tilden White		tilden@mickey.eng.gulfaero.com
Timothy J Richter	tjr2g@virginia.edu
Timothy Navabi		navabit@alleg.edu
Tony Manning		AMANNING@Gems.VCU.edu
Trog Martian		Trog.Martian@f856.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Warren Goodrich		goodrwh9@ac.wfu.edu
Will Seay		SEAWA@RHODES.BITNET


Posted By: PHELPSWIL@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:28 PM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: album

        A friend and fellow DMB diehard described the new album in a way that
        seemed to put into words what everyone has been talking about.
                A band can put out two types of albums: 1. an album that is
                purely a studio album OR 2. a live album that attempts to
                capture the raw energy of a live show.  The new DMB album
                tries to do both.
        The live tracks on the album are good, but if I had gone to that show
        I woul have left thinking maybe the band was tired.  Sort of like the
        shows right before the band took a break some time in september.  I
        think the live tracks should have been a collection of the best songs
        from the best shows.  Maybe a disappointment for us, since we already
        have them, but good for the album.  Some of the live songs sound like
        Dave is trying to hold back--and who wants that?
 
 
        Some food for thought, I hope.
 
        From another view, I think the album is doing just what it was supposed
        to do -- bring DMB to more people.  I hear it on the radio all the time
        (WDCE--University of Richmond, and WVGO 106.5) and one DJ even played
        the entire album during her show! (I sat in my car forever).  This album
        May not be the best for long time fans, but it is great for new ones.
 
        Consider that my 2 cents worth.
                                                --bill


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 3:03 PM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: Trinity

WOW
WOW
WOW
WOW
Does that emphasize it enough; maybe one more
WOW
Okay, that should do it.  Since Ben and Gnome Boy took care of Boston and
I pretty much covered Northhampton I guess all that's left is the Trinity
show.  I apologize for I don't have the set list (I rarely write the set
list down during the show-more fun just to listen to the music and worry
about names later)  I'll listen to the tapes tomorrow sometime and see how
they sound and write down the setlist.

they started late but that wasn't there fault. There was some Alumni
Banquet in the room where they werer playing so they had to wait until
that was over before setting up.  A good energetic set followed and a
large crowd was there.  Trinity is only about 2000 people (I think) but
there were at least 500 people at the show-for the beginning at least.  I
suppose this had something to do with the fact that you paid $10 and got
all the free beer you wanted!  And they must have rolled in 30 kegs
berfore the show.  That was gone by the middle of the second set. 
Needless to say, there were alot of drunk people there.  There seems to be
an attraction between Dave and drunk college kids. :)  Beer was being
thrown everywhere (including my deck) but even that didn't hinder the
spirtualness of the show.  The room was cool in the fact that there was no
security and smoking was very easy.  Dave took me on a couple of nice
trips. During 'typical' Dave ended up controlling the whole crowd with an
impressive version.  Overall a very good show and a good turnout for there
first time in New England.  Hope they come back SOON.

alex Crothers


Posted By: STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 5:19 PM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: Miscellaneous

After the recent flames concerning Reid's friends review of the album, I
would just like to say, "Can't we all just get along."  Granted some of
the responses to Reid's post were uncalled but Ithink  this is because to
many of us hardcore Daveheads that review was a personal attack.  I know
I would have responded the same way Rick and Gregg did and thus chose not to
Anyway, I think this flaming will discourage people from posting on the net
in the future for noone wants to be abused like this.  Currently, there are
only about a dozen or so people who post regularly on this net.  And yet there
are many more who subscribe. (Am I right, Alex?)  Why is this?  Might they
intimidated.  Someone in the last digest wrote something along the lines of
not needing to be a Guru to post on this net and I think we should stress
this point.  Rather than alienate potiental fans why not encourage them.
I'm sure these people have lot's of questions and comments which would
most likely produce some interesting discussion.  There was also a remark
how many individuals on the net assume everything they know is common knowledge
and should be if you have ever heard the band.  Consequently, alot of this
information is dismissed and not discussed and those who don't know it are
ridiculed: the other name of Rhyme and Reason for example.  Perhaps there is
an interesting story someone knows about where the original name came from
and why it was changed.   Anyway, the point of all this is to be open minded
about others opinions and not to constantly criticize each other for things
like grammar, spelling, etc.
 
On the subject of LeRoi, a recent post read that he was becoming more
consistent.  I would have to agree with this statement.  He has been very
consitent of late.  Why?  Who Knows.  Maybe the new album has made him take
the band more serioussly.  Perhaps the band handed down some ultimatum along
the lines of shape up or ship out.  I read something similar about Smashing
Pumpkin drummer Jimmy Chamberlin in Rolling Stone.  He was a big partyer and
after he disapeared for six days w/o a word they told him to get his shit
together or find a new band.  He did and has done some of his best work since.
I have always been very critical of LeRoi's playing but after seeing him at
Trax on the 2nd I take it all back.  I just hope he continues to kick my ass
like he did that night.
  After reading the reviews of the New England shows I would like to make
a few points/questions.
  Firstly, Dave does grow on you without a doubt.  His singing style, stage
prescence (Dave Talk), and his guitar work become more enthralling(for lack
of a better word) with each show.
   Secondly, a few of the posts mentionned Boyd as a "deity" and as the core
of the band.  Coincidentally, these posts came from people who were seeing
the band for the first time.  (correct me if I'm wrong)  The first few times
I saw DMB I had the same impression of Boyd and his prescence in the band.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Boyd is fantastic but my opinions on this
matter has changed.  My question to all you netters is this:  Who impressed you
the most the first time you saw the band?  How about now?  Why?  and last but
not least who is the leader in your eyes?
 
Brett


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 6:17 PM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: Miscellaneous

>  My question to all you netters is this: Who
> impressed you the most the first time you saw the band?  How about
> now?  Why?  and last but not least who is the leader in your eyes?
> Brett
a) Boyd and the horn player.  Didn't know Boyd's name for a few days
after the show.  Eventually I will get their names down.
b) Well, it has only been once, but I have listened to the tape,
trying to see why you all think this is God's gift to VA :)  But, to
me those two still are it for me.  Though their role has decreased
because of the acoustics of the place, and what was picked up on tape.
Basically Dave was a non-entity at the show.  I felt that the band
could have gotten along just fine without him.  Their jams sort of
swung, but I didn't see any of the reason for that being Dave.  And he
sounds like a weird combo of different singers (some alive, some
dead), that for me didn't fit that well, or sound too good.

c) I didn't really see a leader.


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Posted By: EWHESSE@AMHERST.BITNET
Time/Date: 11:12 PM Monday, November 15, 1993
Subject: Trinity set list

Here is the set list from Saturday night (11/13/93) at Trinity College in
Hartford, CT. This is in response to Ben's request and I'm sure others
intersest:
--I--
One Sweet World
Trippin' Billies
Granny
Help Myself
Minarets into
Blue Water into !!
Typical Situation
Lover Lay Down
True Reflections
--Solo--
Just for Tonight
--II--
Ants Marching
Satellite
-tape 1-
What Would You Say?
JimiThing into
Seek Up !!
-filler on 7/21/93 II Flood Zone-
 
As Alex has said this show was hot! So are the tapes! Alex and I both have
really nice DATs of this performance. If you'd like a copy drop me a line. I'm
pretty busy with work and taping but I can do one for a couple people.
Preferably analog because my friend is busy doing some DAT trading right now
Yes, the second set is short but the JimiThing Seek Up is a nice nug of a fill
The band was by no means ending when the lights abruptly and irrevocably
came on as Dave strummed the opening rhythm to Watchtower. First set highlights
include the Blue Water Baboon Farm into Typical Situations. I told Dave after
the show how appreciative I was for its return to its right and natural
place behind Minarets. I really think that he Minarets jam naturally
disintegrates into the beginning of Blue Water. I'd liked the addendum of
Typical alot. I miss the intro into Ants in which the whole band jams
around climbing and descending scales (check out 10/6/93 or 9/1/93 both at
the Flood Zone). It's really funky and has a nice groove to it. Has anyone
gotten one recently? Well, back to work. I hope the set list whets some
appetites!
Eric
"Rumors insisted he soon would be
for his deviations
taken into custody
by the authorities less informed than he..."


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 12:07 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: A LONG (but I hope interesting) story.

	Hi All.  It's Ben again. Thanks for the setlist!!! Let me tell you
a story about a friend of mine who was recently introduced to and now
loves the DMB.
	I am in my first year here, and for Columbus Day weekend I went
home (to Long Island) for a few reasons: see the Samples, see my closest
friend who was coming in from Emory (Barry), and hang out (yeah, say hi to
the family, too!). I did not want to go alone, but fortunately a friend
(Lisa) was interested in going too as her older sister lives and works in
NYC and they wanted to get together.  We took a bus down from Boston on
Friday afternoon, went directly to the Samples show at Irving Plaza.  I
met up with my friend who had brought some friends too.  We all drove home
together in Barry's car and since Lisa and I had been up for over 40 hours
straight, we were nodding out (not Barry, though!).
	So, anyway, the 8/19/93 Wetlands show was playing in the car.  It
was directly from the DAT that Barry made with his then-new portable DAT
recorder (yeah!).  Well, I don't know if anyone else in netland was there
that night but it was a fun and incredible evening of music (I'm sure I've
mentioned this before!).  So its playing in the car, and Barry is talking
to me and we are talking about that night and other stuff . . .  and then
Watchtower comes on.  Well, for someone who has never heard the guys do it
it can come as a shock as you say, "Wait a second, I know this song." And
of course, it is an excellent moment when the whole band comes ripping
into the tune (especially when they've got the added firepower of Warren
Haynes, as they did that night."  Well, Lisa was hooked.
	We listened to that the whole way back on the bus-- Barry had
given me five tapes to hold me over until we can set up more trades (he
has no email access yet, and other methods are too expensive and slow!). 
	That's really it, except DMB now had another frustrated fan,
because it certainly didn't look like they were going to be in New England
all that soon. I bought a ticket to the ARU show soon after it went on
sale, before DMB was even playing.  When I found out, I told Lisa but she
was planning on going back to her school (Deerfield Academy) for some
alumni thing which was going on last weekend.  As it happens, Deerfield is
close to Northampton so maybe she could go the Thursday night show at
Pearl Street and not miss things at school.  Nope-- no one else could go.
	As it turned out, she went to the Friday show at Paradise after
getting a crash course in ARU last week.
	So, the Paradise set as Daniel and I discussed was nice,
especially with Apt. Q258 and Carter playing together.  So on Saturday,
she went to Deerfield and we both figured that would be it.
	But when Lisa got back on Sunday night, she told me she had been
at Saturday's show.  She and a friend were sitting around at about 8 on
Saturday and they just decided to drive down to Hartford.  Even with
getting lost and trying to park, they did not miss a note as the show
started quite late (she said around 11pm).

	BUT ALAS, LISA WAS TEASED!!!!!!!!  THE BAND WAS KICKED OFF THE
STAGE AFTER THE INTRO TO WATCHTOWER!!!!!!!!  


hmm.  what was the point of this story again?

well, hope in was mildly interesting, at least.

also, who can see the stereogram on the album cover.  It's so cool when
you see it!



Ben
"The leaves seen through my windowpane
remind me that it's time to move my life again.
November sun is felt by none,
a chilly breeze has blown my thoughts to what's to come."


------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 1:22 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: One more thing . . .

I NEED A DECEMBER SCHEDULE!!!
I JUST HEARD ABOUT A NEW YORK DATE AT IRVING PLAZA ON THE 10TH, BUT I NEED
A FULL SCHEDULE. (sorry for yelling, but I wanted to get your attention)

thanks all

--Ben

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:21 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Dave Matthews is SIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's official.
Dave Matthews Band signed with RCA
Not much more I can say.
Don't know all the details but really those don't matter.
This may make some people upset, others it will make happy.
Hope it makes more people happy than upset.
alex Crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:40 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: DMB NYE show!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm just full of wonderful information today (thanks to someone and she
knows who she is)

Again, it "offfical"-the Dave Matthews Band will do a New Year's Eve bash 
in Richmond, VA.

This show will be similar to last years.

For forty bucks you get all you can drink from 9-1 (1:30?) *PLUS* DMB. 
What was that connection between Dave and drunk people again?? :)

"One of the few guaranteed good times on New Years."  

Its at the Marriott Ballroom with capacity for 2500.  

Alex Crothers

ps-not sure how tix will be handled yet but there may be some sort of way
to get them through minarets.  More information forthcoming.


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 11:23 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 28

>         The live tracks on the album are good, but if I had gone to that show
>         I woul have left thinking maybe the band was tired.  Sort of like the
>         shows right before the band took a break some time in september.  I
>         think the live tracks should have been a collection of the best songs
>         from the best shows.  Maybe a disappointment for us, since we already
>         have them, but good for the album.  Some of the live songs sound like
>         Dave is trying to hold back--and who wants that?

You make a good point (whoever this is, sorry, I deleted your name)
but..........hopefully what I ahve to say will give you a little more
insight into the situation.  Maybe the band was tired, maybe they wanted
the songs to be 'perfect' (or as close as live works can get to
'perfect'), who knows but the point about putting the best songs from the
best shows would be impossible.  You see, DMB (Jeff) doesn't have a DAT
and when they record they record everything on analog.  So it would be
impossible to "pick" the best songs from the "best" shows.  The shows on
the album were planned and the band knew they were being recorded for
the album. (Jeff told me what they were taped on but I can't remember-it
was loud, dark, confusing.  A four track or eight tract or something like
that, I'll ask him more next week) This may account for the reason why Dave
sounds "strained" (as a number of people have commented)  Dave and the band
knew they were being taped for the album so that probably subconsciously
influenced their music that night. Is any of this making any sense??? It 
makes perfect sense in my mind but I'm not sure if I'm relaying it that well.
Hopefully you all understand what I'm saying and understand why the album
is the way it is--good or bad, depending on your own opinion.

alex Crothers


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 11:33 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: re: alex's recent post

Maybe they ought to get a DAT, record everything, and then they could pick
the best stuff.  I'd like that.  I want another live album already.
-Ben

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 11:36 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Subscribers

> Anyway, I think this flaming will discourage people from posting on the net
> in the future for noone wants to be abused like this.  Currently, there are
> only about a dozen or so people who post regularly on this net.  And yet there
> are many more who subscribe. (Am I right, Alex?)  Why is this?  Might they
> intimidated. 
> Brett

That's a good point.  It seems like I see the same people posting digest
after digest.  I guess it's no big deal, but it is kinda strange that
with over 90 subscribers only 10 or so ever post anything.  That's cool
though.  On Phish.Net I listen/read for the first month or so before I
ever posted anything.  People shouldn't be scared though.
alex Crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 11:45 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 28

> Consequently, alot of this
> information is dismissed and not discussed and those who don't know it are
> ridiculed: the other name of Rhyme and Reason for example.  Perhaps there is
> an interesting story someone knows about where the original name came from
> and why it was changed.

Maybe this is something for the FAQ?????????????????????????????
  
> My question to all you netters is this:  Who impressed you
> the most the first time you saw the band?  How about now?  Why?  and last but
> not least who is the leader in your eyes?

Of course this is always going to be Boyd.  He has such a comanding
stage presence and such a strong instrument that he will inevitable always
draw a newcomer's attention.  He's just that kind of person.  But after
listening to them for awhile (maybe even by the end of the show) you start
to realize Dave and his importance.  Not to say anyone is more or less
important than the others but Dave tends to hold my attention more now
than when I first saw them.  About a leader; not sure.  It IS THE *Dave
Matthews* Band but still I think the music is a reflection of them all and
noone in particular.  That's what makes a band good.  I see no leader in
Phish and they do a pretty good job.  

alex Crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 11:48 AM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 28

> I NEED A DECEMBER SCHEDULE!!!
> I JUST HEARD ABOUT A NEW YORK DATE AT IRVING PLAZA ON THE 10TH, BUT I NEED
> A FULL SCHEDULE. (sorry for yelling, but I wanted to get your attention)
> 
> thanks all
> 
> --Ben

SORRY, BUT THERE IS NO 'OFFICIAL' DECEMBER SCHEDULE YET.  THE IRVING PLAZA
AND NYE SHOW ARE ALL THAT ARE RELEASED RIGHT NOW. I'LL LET EVERYONE KNOW
AS SOON AS I HEAR. cool??
alex Crothers


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 1:10 PM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: why i think dave is the leader...

have a few minutes to spare, and on the prompting of brett's post,
i decided i would share with everybody why i think dave really is
the leader of this band.  take it for what you will...
 
the first time i saw the dave matthews band sometime in the spring
of 1991, his guitar playing was the very first thing about the
entire band that really blew me away.  dave matthews uses some of
the most intricate fingerings and some of the most complex jazz
chords i've ever seen in a flood zone/trax bar band type of arrangement.
i stood on the balcony of the flood zone and just watched his hands
for songs like tripping billies and so much to say and said, "wow,
how the f**k is he doing that?"  then i heard minarets for the first
time, and simply could not understand how he could make a guitar sound
like that with only one guitar and only two hands.
 
i know that a lot of this has little to no meaning for somebody
who doesn't play guitar, but belive me, dave is a phenomenal _rhythm_
guitarist.  he rarely rips off any real lead lines, and when he does,
they aren't really that impressive, but that's why boyd is there.
in regards to eric's comments that he could see the band just fine
without dave's guitar(and this is _not_ a flame, it's just my
effort to discuss that comment), i don't think we could even listen
to songs like warehouse, so much to say, minarets, what would you say,
and ants marching, among countless others, without the driving force of
dave's rhythmn line. some songs, rhyme or reason being the only one
that comes to mind right of hand, sound better without a guitar line
(but i might add that dave's solo rhyme or reason, with nothing but
guitar, is just as good as the full band's drum oriented version.)
 
also, as far as i know, dave has written every song that the band does,
except for people, people(dave matthews and peter greisar); true
reflections(boyd tinsley); and the song that jane likes(dave matthews
and mark roebuck).  this would include both the lyrics and the music,
which everyone builds around as they see fit.  personally, i find that
songwriting is one of the most important aspects of a band, and i really
would like the opportunity to sit down with not only dave, but other
members of the band and talk specifically about the songwriting process,
but i doubt that it's something that they would openly talk about.
 
this all comes from an aspiring musician and songwriter, so i don't
expect everyone to agree or to be able to relate to what i'm saying.
i realize that a lot of people respect the whole band's ability to
stay united through a long jam, and i even agree.  personally, i like
the fact that dave doesn't play that much towards the end of #36 or
through the jam of jimi thing.  but i think that the overall feel of
the dave matthews band is dave matthews.
 
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
-------------
it's gonna be an eternity in here...
======================================================================


Posted By: JEROTTON@DAVIDSON.BITNET
Time/Date: 1:27 PM Tuesday November 16, 1993
Subject: need some venue info please

I was just curious to know  if any of you phellow DAVE phans are planning
on travelling to Charleston,SC and Athens,GA this weekend. DMB band will
be playing at the Music Farm in Charleston and at the GA Theatre in Athens.
I for one am planning on making the trip....but i was wondering if anyone
out there knew some groovy directions to avoid hassles and many U-turn
hang a left--next stoplight--where in the world am i type situations..??
Also...how is the Music Farm ??..Has DMB played there before ??..is it
a cool location...just some random curiosity....email me back with some
information if you've got it...hope too see you all there...
thanx a million
                                                Jeremy  of Aglide
 
-----but you can walk on with me,
     you dont have to say a single word,
     you dont have to worry 'bout all the others....
                                WSP


Posted By: @BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU:ST002314@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Time/Date: 1:48 PM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 28

i was definitely the most impressed with dave the first time i saw the band,
but this may be because it was years ago before boyd even joined.  oddly enough
the sound of the band has not changed that dramatically since boyd joined. . .
it is just a little better!   dave


Posted By: fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 3:54 PM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: NAME THIS TAPE

                I HAVE A TAPE FROM LONG AGO OF THE DMB AND IT, ALTHOUGH BAD
Q, IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES.  CAN ANYONE HELP IN FINDING THE EXCACT LOCATION
AND DATE.  THE BAND OPENED WITH WAREHOUSE AND THE SET IS AS FOLLOWS:
                   WAREHOUSE
                   RECENTLY
                   SPOTLIGHT  (the day Dave wrote it)
                   ONE SWEET WORLD
                   ANGEL
                   TYPICAL
                   SONG THAT JANE LIKES 
                   WHAT WOULD YOU SAY
                   TRIPPING BILLIES
                   EXODUS*  KILLER WISH THEY STILL DID IT
                   CRY FREEDOM
                   ME & JULIO
                   WATCHTOWER
                   PEOPLE

            A FEW NOTES: IT IS DURING EXAMS AT ONE OF THE SCHOOLS IN VA AND
MUST BE EITHER FLOOD OR TRAX.  DAVE SAYS THAT HE " IS STILL SUFFERING FROM
THIS DAMN FLU" AND THAT RECENTLY " IS ABOUT RECENT HISTORY".  ALSO HE SAYS
THAT NOT ALL OF THE BAND HAS PLAYED SPOTLIGHT BUT BECUASE OF THE SMALL
CROWD THEY WILL TRY IT.     ANY IDEAS?  PROBALLY AROUND A YEAR AND A HALF
TO TWO YEARS AGO.  DOES ANYONE ELE HAVE THIS TAPE? 


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 4:01 PM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Irving Plaza

I read in the newest Village Voice that DMB will be playing at Irving Plaza
on December 10th.
Wow, they are moving up quickly.  I hope they get a good turnout, I'll be
there (School ends that Tuesday) and I just can't wait.  I guess as the
show date gets closer we will have a better idea of the number of net
representatives there.

Well, one more time, I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!

:->

Brian  


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 Hey man, the only reason I'm lettin' you have shotgun is because I'm goin'
inside to play some foosball.  -Slater      |
------------                               / \  chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu 
Brian Lipman \----------          @    @        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Northwestern University \------     !      Well, I guess I should play 
Allison 3002, 1820 Chicago Ave |  \    /   some shit you guys know 
Evanston, Illinois  60201-3856 |   \__/    afterall, because the people 
--------------------------------           here at Wetlands are paying me. 
I'm Hungry.  Let's get a taco.-Mr. White   tonight.  -John Popper 6.24.93
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Posted By: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 6:03 PM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: members of the band

When I first started getting into DMB, boyd was not yet a member. This was early
summer '91. I think that it was actually carter who impressed me the most in 
those early shows. They would play at the Eastern Standard evry tuesday then.
There was no cover, and they didn't card, so for a seventeen year old, that was
really nice. Carter would greet people who he knew as they came in the door.
It was not unusual to see him put one drumstick in his mouth, keep a great beat,
and shake hands with an aquaintance as they came in the door and passed by his set. I remember what I THINK was Boyd's first show with the band. Mid-summer of
the same year? Does this sound right to others who know a lot about early
band trivia? What I remember most about that show is that they played Watchtower
and it absolutely blew me away. They must have jammed it out for fifteen or
twenty minutes, Boyd took an amazing solo, and the overall intensity was 
extremely high. There is no question that he is an incredible performer. But I
don't feel that there is a particular leader in the band. I've seen all the members take leading roles on various nights. For instance, seeing Stephan take
the Jimi Thing jam into Walk on the Wild Side on march 17th '93 at Trax.
Or watching Dave and Carter groove together, or Boyd and Leroi throw lines
back and forth at eachother. I am still often blown away by Boyd. I love his
raucus style, and the way that he plays his fiddle with his whole body. But
I actually think that, from a musical perspective, Leroi is more interesting.
I just think that, when I'm listening to tapes, Leroi's lines during solos are
more varied and intricate than Boyd's. But there is no denying that he isn't the
same kind of presence on stage that Boyd is. He doesn't have the same gift for
drawing the crowd into his playing that Boyd does.
   Well, that's about all. Since everyone else today is quoting WSP, I guess 
I'll throw some in too.  





A bowl for the cat, a bowl for the dog, a bowl for me . . .


Speaking of bowls for me . . . .
                                               -Fat Boy  (drew devereux)


Posted By: BH7N@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA
Time/Date: 6:11 PM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Bayou/LeRoi

Got a few questions:
 
  1) Is anyone planning on seeing the show at the Bayou on Nov. 27?
     It would be cool to meet some of the other netters.
 
  2) I've only been listening to DMB since June, and the one thing
     that immediately got me hooked when I first saw them was LeRoi's
     sax playing. Someone wrote in a post about how the band had told
     him something to the effect of "shape up or ship out". What
     exactly was he doing wrong? I can't imagine him ruining a show!
 
Hope to see some of you at the Bayou,
Kwon.


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 6:50 PM Tuesday, November 16, 1993
Subject: Dave, leadership, and dieties.

>From: We all float down here <STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET>
>Subject: Miscellaneous
>  Firstly, Dave does grow on you without a doubt.  His singing style, stage
>prescence (Dave Talk), and his guitar work become more enthralling(for lack
>of a better word) with each show.

i figured as much.  so many folks rave about dave.  i didn't see that much
amazingness at the boston show, but i think that's because my only referent
for DaveTalk is that one show.  i don't have anything else to compare it
to.  i couldn't tell that his vox were jams in themselves, although i know
they were.  and his guitar-- really, i hardly heard it in the music.  it
seemed that the other instuments carried the song while dave's guitar was a
background instrument.  i will grow into it, i'm sure!

>   Secondly, a few of the posts mentionned Boyd as a "deity" and as the core
>of the band.  

i said he was a "diety" but i didn't say he was the core (others said
that).  that's not what i meant to imply, hence my mentions of each member
and his qualities.  perhaps they're all dieties (not literally...).  i'd
say that of WSP.

>not least who is the leader in your eyes?

Dave.  he seemed in charge of the setlist.  and, he had the presence of a
conductor of an orchestra.  during jams, he'd turn to face the others in
order to give cues and keep everything cohesive.


love,daniel

----------gnome boy--------------


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 1:44 AM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: Re: UVA

Please realize that not EVERYONE at Trax on a Tuesday night sucks--only about
90% of the people.
--Kerry


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 2:21 AM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: Re: UVA

Forwarded message:
> From: Kerry Matthew Kriger <kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
> 
> Please realize that not EVERYONE at Trax on a Tuesday night sucks--only about
> 90% of the people.


Ah, that place is so popular, no one goes there anymore
					-Yogi


-- 
Eric Budke    			          Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Committee)		  Schenectady NY 12308
(518)388-6446 	 			  518-388-5615
God Street Wine and Allman Brothers Mailing list administrator
budkee@world.std.com budkee@delphi.com budkee@unvax.union.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:16 AM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: 7-6-93 Setlist and Bayou Question

1)  Does anyone have the setlist to the 7-6-93 show at Trax?

2)  Does the Bayou usually sell out for DMB shows?  I was thinking about
going to the Nov. 27 show there.  If so, is there a number that one can call
to get tickets?


     Thanks


Posted By: pmcfalls@SEI.CMU.EDU
Time/Date: 12:40 PM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: trax

	hey all, i am new to dmb list, but i have been listening to dave
mathews for awhile.  i spent two years at uva, and heard dmb from when he
first began, and always liked him. however, i had no idea that he would be
doing so well, and i think that it is great.  i remember him before boyd, and
with boyd, boyd is a great addition to the band imo. yes i was in a fraternity
there, and he played in our house but we were all not that bad as previously
mentioned. in fact, i though that we were pretty mellow ;-). i remember him
playing in our back lot and on other people's porches. it was a great time.

	also, what i wopuld like to mention was the van ripers show that was
put on one year, where dmb, blues traveller, and indecision played. this was
one of the greatest musical experiences that i have ever witnessed. all of the
bands were killer. this was maybe a couple of years ago on some random
hillside outside of charlottesville, and everything seemed so local, and
mellow. i don't know if you all can understand. a sunny day on some hillside
with indecision blaring away and dave and the boys with boyd going off. it was
such a great moment, and i loved it. and there will be many more to come. 
	
	i was writing also, because i will be going down to c-ville to pick up
my sister for thanksgiving next tuesday and i hope to catch dave at trax. i am
going to meet some old friends and overall, it should be killer!!;-)) i'll see
you all there if he is playing. 

						later,
							sloppo


got no telecommunications, cable hasn't gotten out this way- widespread

phishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishy

a little wrangler was born, got him in the saddle all wet and warm,
such a change of a form, his very first year

upon the blue ridge mountains, here i'll take my stand



	sorry abou all that babbling


Posted By: daveh@shell.portal.com
Time/Date: 1:49 PM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: TAPES: Red Rocks? Please?

Does anyone out there have tapes (or know where I could get tapes) of the Red
Rocks Amphitheatre show on Sunday, September 19th?  I'd love to have tapes (of
any quality) from that show... Thanks.

							-Dave


P.S.  Have a nice day.
--
Remember:  If you have to ask, you don't want to know why.

                                -Dave Hamilton (daveh@shell.portal.com)


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 5:11 PM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: Some commands you may want to know-

These are a list of commands that may be useful in the future.
Rick, could you add these to the FAQ somewhere?
thanks
let me know if you have any questions, problems, or toothpaste?
alex Crothers
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Send these commands to listproc@moose.uvm.edu as the first line in the
body of your e-mail message. In the examples below..... 

  Replace the words "first-name", "last-name" with your name.
  Replace the word "file-name" with the archive file name, like: nov93. 

  To signoff the list:  unsub minarets
  To signon the list:  sub minarets first-name last-name     
  To stop mail delivery:  set minarets mail postpone 
  To start mail delivery again:  set minarets mail ack 
     (if you want your posting sent back to you). 
  To start mail delivery again:  set minarets mail noack
     (if you do not want your posting sent back to you).
  To request mail be delivered by digest: set minarets mail digest
  To get help about commands:  help
  To get help about the set command: help set
  To see the your current list settings: set list-name


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 5:30 PM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 29

> i figured as much.  so many folks rave about dave.  i didn't see that much
> amazingness at the boston show, but i think that's because my only referent
> for DaveTalk is that one show.  i don't have anything else to compare it
> to.  i couldn't tell that his vox were jams in themselves, although i know
> they were.  and his guitar-- really, i hardly heard it in the music.  it
> seemed that the other instuments carried the song while dave's guitar was a
> background instrument.  i will grow into it, i'm sure!

I agree. At Boston, Dave (and the whole band for that matter) wasn't all
that crazy (for lack of a better word).  At least playing by themselves. 
Of course it is a entirely different story when they came on with ARU. But
seeing Dave at Trinity College remended me how much Dave can really play
and have fun.  His interaction and control of the audience made me realize
that the Boston show (and Northampton) were not good representations of the
DMB.

alex Crothers


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 5:35 PM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: Re: To Kwon

I'll be at the BAYOU over Thanksgiving; chances are I'll have on a Yankees
hat.
--Kerry


Posted By: STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:06 PM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: interesting tidbit

  Saw this on Horde net and thought I'd forward it
 
     Thought you might be interested in this bit from a local entertainment
publication "Style":
 
 - "Remember Two Things" the Dave Mathews Band CD that went on sale last week
is a raging sucess. Plan 9 (local record store with only 2 locations, one in
Richmond and one in Charlottesville) sold 1,500 copies in two days. The
Charlottesville-based band plays the Floodzone every Wednesday and is big
with the prep-school and University of Richmond crowds and their parents
shopping for Christmas presents. Rumor says Matthews is signing with RCA.
He's selling the current CD on consignment. Its last cut ends with the sounds
of rainfall and crickets. -
 
And just for fun, from the same page the Crime of the Week:
 
    -  At 7:00 pm on Nov. 9, a known male juvenile entered an apartment in
the 6900 block of Carnation Street and stuck a fork in the wall. -
 
Go figure. And thanks to all who answered my question about WSP earlier
today. I promise I wrote it down this time!
 
Fran Bradford
State Council of Higher Education
for Virginia


Posted By: @BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU:ST002314@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Time/Date: 8:10 PM Wednesday, November 17, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 29

does anyone know if the band will be playing the floodzone the night before
thanksgiving?  i will be home for a while, and would love to catch it.  dave


Posted By: SAPIRE@carleton.edu
Time/Date: 1:56 AM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: messed up address...again...

i think rick summed up pretty well, "why i think dave is the leader"
his comment about songwriting is right on, the rhythmes and structure
of the songs are so unique in comparison to what's out there
i remember hearing the band for the first few times and being blown away
by the CHANGES and how each section FLOWS (like sliding through the ether dave)
into the next its amazing stuff!  but playng briefly in a band i know that
stuff like that comes from everyone
in the band, it's the little shit that's so cool
the subtleties

ever listen to Carter's highhat action!!!!!!! 
mindblowing
soul tickling
funky shit

check out the maker or spotlight to name a few

anyway i also remember actually laughing at how funny dave's hands
look when he plays, a friend and i would stand, tounge gaping stare...
and wonder  WHAT'S HE DOING??!!??
good stuff
actually alot of it can be simplyfied, moved down but the feel and the tone
would be totally lost.
no doubt!!  
dave's key, but carter leaves me dizzy!  and a smile no less!

one last note:
alot of my friends here at school think dave sounds like kermit the frog
but they're mostly from Nevada or Utah so that explains that
dave range is huge and he slips in and out of
falsetto so easily,
great singer
great guitar player
great drums...
great band!!!!!

ed
sapire@carleton.edu
Later On We'll All Be Dancing


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 2:15 AM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Granny in Satellite

I am listening to the 8/19/93 show from the Wetlands.  They open with
satellite.  In the part with just Dave and Boyd, the crowd is singing
"Love, Baby" just like the chorus part of Granny.  Forgive my ignorance
but does this happen at every show?  Well, every show at which they play
Satellite?

I cordially URGE you to get down to Irving Plaza on the tenth of December
for the show.  It's a damn nice place to see a concert!

--Ben

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: PHELPSWIL@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 10:30 AM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: floodzone 11/17/93

        Every once in a w hile you go to a show and the band plays every song th
   at YOU want to hear like they know what you are thinking.  For me, that show
was last night at the Floodzone.  Besides that, the badn had more energy than
I had seen in a long time.  Of course I didn't bring a tapedeck to the show
so if anyone in the net did tape it please e-mail me and maybe we can work
some kind of deal.  I noticed about five people plugged into the soundboard.
I'd really appreciate it.
 
                                        -Bill


Posted By: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 3:09 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Love, Baby

In response to Ben Tanen, I saw the wetlands show on the 30th of oct. this
year, and the crowd did exactly the same thing. I'd never heard them do that
at any of the shows I'd ever seen before. Of course, that was also my first tiseeing them outside virginia. Actually, I found it really annoying. The guys doing that refrain were so damned loud that it really interfered with the music.


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 3:40 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Love, Baby

> From: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Andrew William Devereux)

> In response to Ben Tanen, I saw the wetlands show on the 30th of
> oct. this year, and the crowd did exactly the same thing. I'd never
> heard them do that at any of the shows I'd ever seen before. Of
> course, that was also my first tiseeing them outside
> virginia. Actually, I found it really annoying. The guys doing that
> refrain were so damned loud that it really interfered with the
> music.

This is kinda funny.  I was at that show also, and since there were so
many southerners there I just figured it was something everyone did at
the shows.  It was my first time seeing them.  I just sort of figured
it was what the Roman's did.  Ah, well, later.


-- 
Eric Budke    			          Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Committee)		  Schenectady NY 12308
(518)388-6446 	 			  518-388-5615
God Street Wine and Allman Brothers Mailing list administrator
budkee@world.std.com budkee@delphi.com budkee@unvax.union.edu
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Posted By: MEAGHERJA@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 4:00 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Floodzone Nov.17

                I figured that this would be as good a reason
        as any for my first post. But last night's show at the
        Floodzone was simply incredible. The best I've seen in
        a long while, and maybe the best I've ever seen. Some
        particular highlights were Two Step, the new song, Typical
        Situation, a smokin guitar jam during What Would You Say, and
        to top it all off an incredible drum solo/Haloween (the first
        in a while at the Floodzone.
                Everyone I've talked to that was there can't seem to
        stop talking about it so I'd be interested to get some more
        feedback. I was basically blown away.
 
 
                                        jm


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 4:05 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Re: Boston w/ ARU (more talk...) + influences

>I agree. At Boston, Dave (and the whole band for that matter) wasn't all
>that crazy (for lack of a better word).  At least playing by themselves. 
>Of course it is a entirely different story when they came on with ARU. 

i guess it was mostly pre-planned who would come out w/ARU when.  i wonder
how Dave and Stephan felt about not playing, too.  i can see how it
wouldn't have worked, but during the show i kept wondering if Stephan would
come out and do either dueling basses w/ Oteil or if Stephan would at least
come play some standard rythm bass while Oteil went off on some crazy
leads.  And Dave-- i thought he might come out and sing some cover song or
something.  i wonder also if those two were out in the audience watching
the show.  how could they stand to miss it?  i, of course, couldn't see if
they were out there as i was crouched right in front.

What music do the members of DMB listen to?  what do they list as their
individual influences?  just curious, i thouught it might make for good
discussion, and maybe turn us on to some new artists...

love,daniel

-----------gnome boy------------->>>

following tradition, i quote Widespread Panic [an odd habit of folks on
this net, but a habit i enjoy!  besides, i can't quote any DMB except from
the album, and most of you know those words]  :

"In the easy chair with my boots on
Melted whiskey in my hand
I couldn't have been asleep for more than three hours
Time to go to work again"
                --CHILLY WATER, wsp

Time to get back to work...


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 4:58 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: anybody seen digest 25 around these parts?

hey phriends... i never got digest 24, and if we ever get an archive
site up and running, i'd like it to be as complete as possible.  if
anybody still has it, could you please forward it to me?
 
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
-------------
it's gonna be an eternity in here...
======================================================================


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 5:46 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: floodzone on tg and satellite/granny

first, yes, dave is playing thanksgiving week at both trax and flood-
zone, and as far as i know i'll be at both:) right in front, just a
bit to my left of dave(so i can get a clear view of his hands;).
 
second, i've never heard about this granny/satellite combo, but it
seems like a pretty cool idea.  maybe it's just a wetlands thing.
 
who knows...
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rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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Posted By: COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 5:53 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Love, Baby!

 I think it was the band's intent to get the crowd involved in
"Granny" and when people sing the refrain along with the band it just
adds to the excitement and enthusiasm which was intended for the
crowd.  Singing along in that song, I should know, because I do it all
the time, is just one way to  get pumped up over the incredible music
and I think if one joins in then he'll find it is much more exciting.
The Band sings that refrain loud enough to compensate for any
participation from the crowd.  So in response to the annoyed concert
goer at Princeton, all I can say is "I can't stop...I'll never stop!"


Posted By: WOTTONGM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 6:06 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: the maker

Can someone give me some info on "the Maker".  Does the band still play it
or did they quit when Peter left?  It's one of my favorites.  I also under-
stand that it is not their song.  Who wrote it?
        I'm going to see them at Ga Theater on Saturday. First time since
Charlotte HORDE.  One more thing- are there any Soul Hat fans out there?
Great band from Austin TX.  They played HORDE in Red Rocks.
                                        Gordon


Posted By: COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 6:52 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Flood Zone the 24th

 I plan on being at the Flood Zone on the 24th as well, and just a
note to Rick...ummm, I hate to tell you, but that space just to the
left of Dave is MINE!  In response to an earlier note about
influences, I know that Dave happens to love Peter Gabriel, and he
could possibly be an influence.  I'll have to admit that I as well am
a Pete Gabriel aficionado, and I could easily see how he could be
influential.


Posted By: COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 8:13 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Love, Baby! oops!!!

Well, I just wanted to apologize to the guy from Princeton, Mr.
Devereau.  I only caught on to the last part of the e-mail
correspondence and I thought that Mr. Devereau was upset that people
were singing along to Granny.  I didn't realize they were singing
Granny or at least "Love...Baby" during Satellite.  I concur that that
would be very annoying.  Why not sing Satellite during Satellite?  It
might be attributable to the fact that that refrain is one of the only
ones that is well known up in NYC and therefore when some drunk guy
started doing it, the rest of the drunks joined in.  Sorry, Mr.
Devereau...I'm a fool.
 
Jamie Cog


Posted By: gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 9:12 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 30

I think that the Drummer is the most amazing person I have ever seen in
concert.  Sitting with a huge smile in Body-Glove suit or something,
Carter tears it up, smiling the whole time.  What a badass. G.


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 9:53 PM Thursday, November 18, 1993
Subject: Floodzone 11-17-93

        Greetings fellow Dave Matthews fans.  This is my first day on the
net and this is my first posting.  Last night Dave Matthews played an
incredible show despite not going on until midnight.  there was a opening
band called From Good Homes, they were pretty good.  I thought DMB
might be a little mellower last night after a week of CD release shows in
Trax and Floodzone.  But, was i wrong!  The show rocked and I thought
Stefan jammed harder than I have ever seen him!  Plus, Carter's drum solo
lead in to, yes Halloween, was rocking.  I was truly amazed at the song
since i had never heard it live and constantly heard fans yelling for the
song.  Well, we were rewarded last night!  Just a little story for you.
Last Sunday i was on my way back to Richmond from Charlottesville and I
stopped in a gas station that had a Burger King connected to it.  I was
eating when all of a sudden Carter walks in!  I dropped my food and went
to talk to him.  He is a great guy!  then LeRoi and Dave showed up!
So here i was in a Burger King in Gordonsville, Va. talking three members
of the DMB.  Great guys and it was a great experience!  I hope their weekly
visits to the Floodzone will never end despite their popularity!
I am mad that i won't be able to go next week because i am going home for
break.  Looking forward to the net!
 
wayland


Posted By: COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 1:34 AM Friday, November 19, 1993
Subject: a curious bootleg

I have a bootleg that I happen to like very much, but I have no idea
when and where it is from, so I was hoping someone could help me.  My
bootleg starts out with "Love or Lay Down" and after that song Dave
complains about a fly.  He humorously adds "it makes me think I'm
stinky."  It also has a version of "Halloween" with a rather short
intro from Carter.  Also, if I'm so lucky that someone has this, what
is the name of the fifth song which starts out with a harmonica solo.
Finally, does anybody know if Dave still does the "Song No. 34" which
is about the guy who was a member of the ANC?  It's a very upbeat, fun
song, but I haven't heard it in a long time.
 
I would really appreciate any help.
 
Thanx,
 
Jamie Cogbill


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:23 PM Friday, November 19, 1993
Subject: Re: F.Z. Nov. 17=DAT????

So who has the Floodxone Nov. 17 show on DAT?????

Sounded like a hot show even though no real official set list appeared (I
think, maybe it did and I forgot it).

Alex Crothers


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 3:48 PM Friday, November 19, 1993
Subject: URGENT (before 23:00, 11/19/93)!

Hey!  ANyone who reads this message before 11pm on Friday night should
e-mail me a few sentences about what they think about the album.

DON'T BOTHER AFTER THAT!!!


--Ben
thanks all.

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 4:16 PM Friday, November 19, 1993
Subject: Re: the maker

About the maker, it is a Daniel Lanois song, and I haven't heard it since
Peter left.
--Kerry


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 5:36 PM Friday, November 19, 1993
Subject: RE: Peter Gabriel, varied influences and tastes

>In response to an earlier note about
>influences, I know that Dave happens to love Peter Gabriel, and he
>could possibly be an influence.  I'll have to admit that I as well am
>a Pete Gabriel aficionado, and I could easily see how he could be
>influential.

yes, Peter Gabriel is wonderful.  Check out _Passion_ (the soundtrack to
_The Last Temptation of Christ_).  powerful drums,  great rythms, unusual
instrumentation, some stuff resembling Minerats (it's that eastern sound,
although Passion is mid-eastern rather than russian).

i would imagine that all the members of DMB listened to totally different
music from one another.  they mix these styles so fluently to create their
own sound.  i have to admit, i was kinda surprised by the way they look and
act... not quite like the usual barrage of long-hairs in either all-black
or in tie-dyes that we see in jam-bands so often these days.  i am just
supposing that the different looks result from different backgrounds,
scenes, and experiences, which would be reflected by a variety of musical
tastes.  i kinda doubt that the Grateful Dead and the Allman Bros Band
would pop up at the top of a list of their earlier inspirations.

just some thoughts....  ya' know, the DIGEST format really keeps me behind.
 do y'all notice me (and other digesters) replying about 12 hours late?

love,daniel

-------gnome boy----------

"I was talkin' to a black man from Atlanta; he said 'The time has come to
take what's mine, and if i must bust some heads -- to achieve justice -- my
righteous cause will well explain the crime!' and that makes sense to me, I
must confess that that makes sense to me!"   ---WSP


Posted By: STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:14 AM Saturday, November 20, 1993
Subject: Misc. comments and answers

There were several questions in the last digest and since I have nothing
better to do on this saturday morning than my paper I thought I'd answer
a few of them.  Firstly, the song "The Maker"  was originally done by
Daniel Lanois.  He has produced a few U2 albums but also has done some
solo work including a bizzarre french track on the Northrn Exposure
soundtrack.  Anyway, I've never heard the original but according to Dave
its incredible and he prefers greatly to his own.  This may explain why
he doesn't play it that often.
    Jamie, I don't know the date of that show that you asked about but I'd
assume it is from the Floodzone before febuary of 93.  The reason for this
is I have a Floodzone show from feb 17th and Dave keeps mentionning the
flies.  He makes a comment about how they were there last time as well.
Hope that helps.  Also, that's Peter(exkeyboardist) on the harmonica and
the song is So Much to Say.
 
  The other night on the way to Trax we struck up a conversation about
covers.  We all agreed that covers serve therepirpose but all too often
fail to live up the original The Maker for example.   In my opinion this
is not the case with Watchtower.  In fact, I must admit I feel its better
than Dylan's version as well as the Hendrix cover.  It has to be one my
favorite covers.  Why all this rambling?  I just thought it would be
interesting if we struck up a discussion on the best and worst covers.
So what does everyone else think about this topic?
 
Well that's enough procratinating for now. Stick a fork in me, I'm done.
   Brett                 s


Posted By: SESMITH@DAVIDSON.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:23 PM Saturday, November 20, 1993
Subject: 11/19 show at Music Farm

I rarely get enough time off of work and school to go enjoy a good concert so
when I do, I expect to really enjoy myself.  So, on 11/19 me and a couple of
friends set off to Charleston to see DMB at the Music Farm.  We called the
place ahead of time and got all the info on the times, loc., etc.  Therefore,
we would not be disappointed when we go there.  Anyway, we set off from
Davidson, N.C. and drove about 3 1/2 hrs to Charleston.  When we finally
arrived, we were greeted at the door of The Music Farm by a sign that read:
        "The underage capacity has reached its limit,
         No one else under the age of 21 allowed in."
Well, needless to say, we were all under 21 and unprepared for this.  We tried
to reason with the doorman, but he just gave us false excuses.  We told him we
were just going in to listen to the band and not to drink.  He could of easily
given us all underage stamps and everything would have been fine.  We finally
gave up and began the long trek home.
        My question is: Why is there this "underage capacity" rule and why is
it used?
        Also: Does anyone else know of this same rule at any of the other clubs
DMB frequents?
        I have several theories on this, such as the Music Farm's only being
interested in the sale of liquor and nothing else, and other theories.
If anyone has answers to these questions or any thoughts on this, please reply.
 
                Bummed and lost,
                        sean


Posted By: mlchang@sas.upenn.edu
Time/Date: 4:30 PM Saturday, November 20, 1993
Subject: underage capacity

What with royalties and such, most venues make a good portion of their
profits off of the sales of alcoholic beverages.

Therefore, they would rather have 21-year-olds and over, who will likely
buy a beer or two and on top of that have also paid the ticket price, than
underagers who have only (and probably will only) paid the ticket price.

This is akin to the phenomenon of price inflation on concessions at movie
theatres.  While movie theatres don't serve alcohol, they do serve $3
packs of Twizzlers, and they try to move as many as possible because
most of their ticket fees get paid to the big movie companies and they
don't realize much of a profit, even on those $7 evening shows.

I think it sucks too, but I guess that's life.

Melanie

P.S. - I would request from now on that posts which are not of general
interest--i.e. personal notes, comments on what your favorite song is and
when you heard it, etc, have some kind of a notation to that effect in the
title line, because I (and I'm sure many others) don't have time to read
all that stuff.  Thanks.

May the wolves run by your side, not at your heels.
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