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Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 10:45 PM Sunday, December 5, 1993
Subject: Re: Ants, Halloween

No, I don't feel I miss anything when no Halloween is played, since there was
a time when Halloween didn't even exist, and I probably got off on those
early shows a lot more than I do now, but hearing Halloween makes THE WORST
show an amazing show, merely because it is probably the most intense song
written by anyone EVER (yes, more intense than Metallica's Dyers Eve).

  Jamie Cogbill said that it shouldn't be played when people yell for it all
night, and I completely agree--but last Tuesday NOBODY yelled it, and seeing
as Ants had been the encore 3 out of the past 4 weeks, and seeing as they
didn't do the cool intro (some instrumental, the name of which I do not
know), AND seeing as since there were only 100 people there, I would have had
my own private dance/flail area (Halloween is the one song by anyone ever
that absolutely forces me to dance (more of a flail), and seeing as it was a
relatively short set, it should have been played.   

About Ants:  This song was much more interesting with keyboards to fill in
the spaces at the VERY end, and when he sang "Candyman...", though the
keyboards were annoying for the rest of the song.  The song was revived when
they added the 6 or so minute intro song that led into Carter's solo drum
beat, but now that seems to have been put to rest. 

I'm sure that had I not seen them as many times as I have, this song would
not bore me, but nonetheless, I still get the same thrill out of Minarets,
Help Myself, Dancing Nancies.........   that I always have.

Anyways, my main point wasn't that Ants shouldn't be played, because it is a
great song, the point was that nobody wants it as an encore week after week
when they're not even changing it (improvising).

Also, the most I've ever been into a DMB song besides Halloween was the Nov.
2 '93 Ants on Carter's b-day.  If anybody out there heard this, you'll know
why.  

Also for Jamie, words mean nothing in Halloween--it's a song about love.

Sorry to bore you,   kerry


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:04 PM Sunday, December 5, 1993
Subject: Re: trey v. dave

Please be real. Though Dave is probably the best songwriter/coolest style
rhythm guitarist ever, at the moment he is just pure potential; the true
question is: Which one will keep putting incredible stuff out for the next 15
years. 

Phish has been writing songs (amazing songs) for 10 years, and hopefully has
another 15 years of inspiration in them.  DMB put out an unreal number of
incredible songs in the first year and a half they've been together,
BUT--what good has come out since Halloween (10-31-92)?  It's been 14 months
since he wrote an amazing song (no, Granny is not an amazing song).  

So as of now, Trey is Master Musician of all time, though if Dave can keep
the songs flowing, we'll ask this same question in a few years.

IMCO, Kerry


Posted By: SEAWA@VAX.RHODES.EDU
Time/Date: 11:48 PM Sunday, December 5, 1993
Subject: This past weekend's shows...

Well, just got back to school from a weekend of DMB and other good things.
We caught the first show on Friday night at Flamingo's in Knoxville, the
first time he's played in K-town.  The show was super energetic, and the
place was fairly packed for the size it was (two floors).  Ill fate set in
partway through the second set, however, when Dave had troubles with his
amps, and the show was cut short a bit (though it was already past 2am).

Anyway, he threw out the message that they were playing the next night
in Nashville (the questionable private party show) but since he didn't 
mention anything about it we figured we go ahead and go since it was on
our way home, and we know people in Nashville anyway.  So the next day we
got up (late) and arrived at the Cannery (we were quite lucky to find it)
about half an hour before doors opened.  We found out from some dude that
the show was supposedly closed, but if no more than 250 people showed up
it would become open.  Regardless, we showed back up at 10:30 (showtime)
and eventually made our way to the front stage.  Nobody was near the stage
at this point.  It turned out to be some fraternity Christmas date party,
and we were a quaint minority of civilian-dressed people at the very front
of the stage (there seemed to be about 4-5 other "roadies").  Anyway, this
show turned out to be much more mellow in comparison (except for Trippin'
Billies, which was eclectic!), and went thru with seemingly no problems.
Just out of slight curiosity, was anyone possibly there taping?  I'
d be really interested in trading for a tape of this Nashville show, 
considering it was my first real DMB show...

Also, could someone please post me an address of a booking agent for DMB?
I'm going to do my best to get them over in Memphis for our Springfest
weekend at Rhodes, and I might actually be able to do it since they seem
to be trying to spread out westward.

Thanks in advance to all, and sorry for the long babble.  One more DM fan
has been created this weekend!

--Will


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:23 AM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: No subscribe or digestify messages

I was justing thinking about how Minarets hasn't had a single
subscribe/digestify message since its existence.

Kinda nice.

Maybe the listproc mailserver is the answer to that problem? Maybe not?
The listproc mailserver makes things complicated in the beginning that way
by the time you're into Minarets.Net you understand how things works.  

Kinda nice.

alex Crothers


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 12:51 AM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: hee hee

um, i was thinking . . . subscribe?
just kidding, y'all.

--BEN

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 8:27 AM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: Old business (12/2 setlist)

Nobody's probably interested at this point, but I said I would post it,
so here it is:

Setlist for 12/2/93 at Virginia Tech

Dave Solo:
	Rhyme & Reason
	Drive In, Drive Out
	Quick Lay & Goodbye
Set 1:
	Satellite
	Song That Jane Likes
	Help Myself
	Tripping Billies
	Lie In Our Graves
	Dancing Nancies
Set 2:
	Ants Marching
	Minarets
	Granny
	Jimithing
	Seek Up
	Lover Lay Down
	What Would You Say
E:	Halloween (drum solo)


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 11:40 AM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: The album and FZ

Well, it's been a while since I've written so I guess I'll start by reviewing 
the album *myself*.  I think it's great.  From start to finish I have very 
few complaints other than most of the songs are a bit too short.  I 
absolutely love the studio stuff -- the first thing I thought of when I heard 
Minarets was "Peter Gabriel?"  The international flavor to that song (for 
lack of a better way to describe it) is fantastic and a wonderful departure 
from the live stuff at the beginning of the album.  Carter never ceases to 
amaze me.  The man is simply one of the best drummers alive.  I'd say Fishman 
is the only other drummer I've seen live who can compare.  However, like Boyd,
Carter is more than just a good drummer.  As my brother said a few weeks ago, 
when you see him up there grinning away, so happy to be beating the hell out 
of his drums, it's very contagious.  Personally, I think he shines brighter 
than anyone else in the band (with the obvious exception of Dave himself).  
In fact, my only problem with the album is that I can't ever listen to it 
because everyone on my hall keeps borrowing it (and I won't let them tape it, 
mean me I know.  I just want them to buy their own copies and support the 
band.)  And so, after hearing the disc, everyone wants to trek down to the 
Floodzone for Wednesday's show.  So....


Directions, anyone?  Prices?  Advice?  I understand that you need to get ther 
quite early to get in before it sells out but anything we should know other 
than that?  Parking?  At any rate, thank you in advance for any info and take 
care.  Soon I'll send along a story about the first time I heard DMB -- 
probably a show that nobody on the net saw (Lime Kiln Arts Theatre in 
Lexington, VA in summer of '92).  Or maybe I'll recount the first time I saw 
Boyd play with Down Boy Down (or was it Down Boyd Down?  I can't remember but 
it should have been the latter).  Take care, eat drink and be merry...

Reid


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:11 PM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 44

 Kerry Matthew Kriger <kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu> writes:
>About Ants:  This song was much more interesting with keyboards to fill in
>the spaces at the VERY end, and when he sang "Candyman...", though the
>keyboards were annoying for the rest of the song.  The song was revived when
>they added the 6 or so minute intro song that led into Carter's solo drum
>beat, but now that seems to have been put to rest.
 
the song that your referring to is a separate song that just tends to
run into ants.  it's called doobie thing, and the only two times i've
seen it, it's run into ants.
 
>Also, the most I've ever been into a DMB song besides Halloween was the Nov.
>2 '93 Ants on Carter's b-day.  If anybody out there heard this, you'll know
>why.
 
yep, i know why.
 
>...Halloween--it's a song about love.
 
agreed, i found out when dmb came to jmu that if halloween had made
the cd (and it was being considered) the lyrics would have been:
love...
love...
love...
love...
 
but i tend to feel rather strongly that halloween tends to dwell  on
the reality that you can't love a person that you don't hate just as
strongly.  thoughts?
 
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
-------------
it's gonna be an eternity in here...
======================================================================


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:11 PM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: granny is _so_ amazing...;)

kerry also writes:
>BUT--what good has come out since Halloween (10-31-92)?  It's been 14 months
>since he wrote an amazing song (no, Granny is not an amazing song).
>
i have several versions of granny where, in the part in which dave is
just babbling, he songs "i don't know, i don't know why i'm singing
LOVE," so i'd say he's aware that it's not an amazing song.  (now, if
he had kept the original lyrics, then...)
 
as for songwriting in general, i did get a chance to get a little input
from him on the subject.  he says he doesn't like to write while he's on
the road because he winds up writing "cheesy road songs,"  so i suppose we're
lucky to have the one new song we do have right now.  you may have noticed
in the last dates post that he's taking a two week layover during december,
and i was told he would be going up to john alagia's house for six days
just to work on new music.  can't wait to hear some of it...
 
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
-------------
it's gonna be an eternity in here...
======================================================================


Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:44 PM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: Great songs since 12/31/92?

To Kerry: (and whomever else may be interested)
10/31/92 was indeed a great show...probably the best I've seen and it was my
first.  There was incredible energy, great guests and great tunes.  But to say
that no great songs have been written since?  No way!
 
First, Granny is not a great song and from what I've heard RCA is planning to
use it to propel the band up the charts. (due to RCA's already obnoxious
marketting plans for some of the band's more popular tunes, I've heard that
Dave wants to call the next album _Songs You want to Hear_ I like it.  Screw
the commercial music industry and Top 40 radio.)  But Granny _used_ to be a
great song before they changed it to that "Love! Baby!" bit that Boyd seems to
love so much.  Check out 11/17/92 when it was debuted and was played twice
actually.  Before they changed it, Granny was one of my favorite tunes.  I can
still see it as funny (notice the sarcastic Davetalk lines after each Love! and
Baby! i.e. "I don't know why I don't know why I'm singin' Love!" :)
 
But there have been other IMHO _excellent_ songs written since 10/31/92.  I
love _Rhyme and Reason_ and I find _#34_ to be one of the most moving songs
I've heard them play (even if the crowd is usually obnoxious during this
beatifully quiet number).  _#36_ and _Doobie Thing_ likewise are great tunes
and _Quick Lay and Goodbye_ is one of the best Dave songs yet I thinks.  There
are other great tunes that have been written, but you see my point.  Dave is
constantly writing (actually he told me and Rick that he doesn't like to write
while on the road for fear of writing a cheesy road song.  We suggested that he
write a song titled Cheesy Road Song :)  maybe let Boyd sing it ;) ) and he is
constantly coming up with good stuff.  Any comments?
 
Also, how does anyone feel about the imminent popularity which RCA seems so
eager to plunge the band into?  A video?  (I'm getting chills :(  )
*******************The devious gelatin holding me fast*************************
*  Gregg Carrier                               stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu  *
*  JMU Box 1734              :) ;) :D :P                                      *
*  Harrisonburg, VA  22807                     (703) JMU-KIND                 *
*******************Miraculous now you let me move past*************************


Posted By: MEAGHERJA@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:26 PM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: Ants intro

        Something that I noticed: does anyone recognize the five minute
or so intro to Ants Marching that was played for a while, but put to rest
recently (the last I heard it was at Van Ripers earlier this fall) as the
verse part to A Quick Lay and Goodbye? If I remember correctly, there were
two main themes to this intro before Carter's solo drum beat. One was the
riff to A Quick Lay..., and the other theme was described by one my friends
to sound like "a T.V. show theme song." If I could, I would show you what
I mean by humming it or something, but that doesn't seem too possible on the
net.
        Anyway, I would be interested to see if anyone noticed the same
similarities (to Quick Lay...).
        Also, I miss the long intro that they used to play leading into
Tripping Billies. I haven't heard that, since early in this school year.
        Hope I didn't babble to much, and I hope someone else noticed this
and I'm not just hearing this. Let me know!
 
 
                                        jim


Posted By: blakec@wyvern.wyvern.com
Time/Date: 3:15 PM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: dave traffic whoopee!

I love all of this traffic that the Halloween/Ants debate has stirred up.  

While listening to the "I'll back you up" from 12/1/93 Floodzone earlier and
thinking about the death of Frank Zappa, I was moved to tears.  RIP Frank.

My $.02 on Ants.  I love this song!  I've just grown tired of it as an
encore EVERYTIME I see them.  Rotate and improvise on the setlist as well as
the music.


Posted By: blakec@wyvern.wyvern.com
Time/Date: 8:06 PM Monday, December 6, 1993
Subject: LeRoi Moore Sighting

This may have been posted already so forgive me if it has but LeRoi MADE THE
YEAR END COPY OF Relix!!!  He's in the H.O.R.D.E pictorial that Alex's
brother shot so wonderfully.  It's worth the $5 just to see him jamming out
with the Col.


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 2:01 AM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: DMB article

A couple of things...
I plan on catching the two N.C. DMB shows on Dec. 28 and 29 in Charlotte and
Winston-Salem before heading to Richmond. Was wondering if anyone from that
area could recommend some nearby places we could camp that would be
open/accessable this time of year? We thought about trying to see someone
elsegood on DMB's night off (30th) that might be playing somewhere on the way
from N.C. to Richmond. WSP is out of question as we don't have tix, but any
suggestions are welcome.
About the New Year's show -- the band did a similar event last year and
tickets sold out shortly after x-mas, so given the band's rising popularity,
chances are tickets will disappear faster this year -- so don't miss your
chance!

Another totaly unrelated matter: I've got this 3200 word article I wrote about
DMB for a class (yes, I actually got credit for writing about Dave), and have
decided to try to sell it to a magazine as a freelance piece. I'm not
convinced it completely captures Dave's essence, but it was written for an
audience that has heard nothing about the band -- so much of it, or all of it
would not unveil anything new about the band to netters. So anyway, I was
looking for suggestions of nationally distributed music magazines that I could
pitch the article to. My original apprehension was that I didn't want Dave to
be "discovered" to quickly by pop audiences, as he undoubtedly eventually
will, so we may all be able to enjoy him in small venues as long as possible.
But I figured that there are probably plenty of mags out there that would
expose Dave to a more alternative or cooler group of people. So where would
you like to read about Dave, or where might I reach the most people without 
ruining the scene? Feel free to discuss on net or e-mail me personally.
hanks,

Bob

See y'all in Richmond...


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 2:09 AM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: DMB article II

sorry, I don't think the end of my last message was included, so I'll
continue.
So I figured that there are plenty of mags out there that would espose Dave to
a more alternative or cooler group of people. So where would you like to read
about Dave, or where might I reach the most people without ruining the scene (
I know one article won't do it, but it could be the first step if the wrong
people read it... anyway)
So feel free to discuss on net or e-mail me personally.

Thanks,
Bob

see y'all in Richmond.


Posted By: mlchang@sas.upenn.edu
Time/Date: 9:20 AM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: magazines

Bobgee,

I would suggest the New Faces section of Rolling Stone.  It's a prominent
music magazine, but I would think the only people who really pay attention
to that section are college students and industry insiders.  A good place
for Dave exposure.

Melanie
In beauty it is finished.

P.S. - I appreciate the digest more these days... Not so many "my favorite
Dave song is and I heard it at..."  Now can we try to eliminate them
altogether?  And confine things to intelligent discussion?  (Flame away!)


Posted By: klong@sura.net
Time/Date: 9:21 AM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: DMB album review

Re-printed from the Washington Post without permission:

Jazz-Folk Matthews & His Merry Band

Find a groove, any groove, keep it steady with guitar and drums, 
oranament it with sax and violin, then let the words flow.  So what
if they don't add up to much more than "eat, drink and be merry".
A positive message and an insistent beat is what's important, the
two things the Dave Matthews Band remembers best on its debut album,
"Remember Two Things."

Imagine Michael Stipe fronting the Blues Travelers, only the lyrics
are easeir to make out and the harmonica is replaced by a fiddle,
and you'll have some notion of what Matthews and his Charolttesville-based
crew are up to.  A native of South Africa, Matthews has a peculiar voice
and delivery, dry and droll, and a fanciful way with words, which he tends 
to utter in tongue-tripping bursts as if he just thought them up.

Indeed, what keeps his stream of consciousness flowing-and the folk and
jazz fusion interesting-isn't what he has to say so much as how he 
says it.  His clipped cadences add yet another layer of rhythm to ssome
of the album's catchiest tunes, including "Recently", "One Sweet
World" and "Tripping Blues", the last being a tie-dye anthem if ever 
there was one.

		Mike Joyce-Washington Post


Posted By: daveh@shell.portal.com
Time/Date: 11:00 AM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: Still looking for Red Rocks tapes...

	I know I've asked this before, but with traffic picking up and more
people subscribing, I figured I'd ask again:  My first DMB show and my first
show at Red Rocks happened together and I'd LOVE to have a copy of it.  I've
plenty of stuff to trade if that's what you're looking for... All responses
will be appreciated...

						-Dave

P.S.  Have a nice day.
--
Remember:  If you have to ask, you don't want to know why.

                                -Dave Hamilton (daveh@shell.portal.com)


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 1:43 PM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: dmb nye show at marriot...

...is an 18 and over show.  got this info today from red light(the
band's management).
then again, i don't think you get a discount for not being able to
consume alcohol, so i'm not sure if $40 _just_ to see dmb and bio ritmo
is worth it, even if it is new year's eve.
 
about doobie thing(the ants marching intro):  i agree, it does sound
like the verse riff of the new song, but it's in a different key, as
far as i can remember.
 
another thing--i'm getting band authorized copies of granny and (i think)
warehouse, so be on the look out for a lyrics file update.  if you
want to be added to the mailing list for it, just drop me a line.
 
btw, as far as new songs since halloween, we seemed to have neglected
probably one of dave matthews most phenomenal songs lyrically:
christmas song, which (as far as i know, and gregg can back me up)
originated last christmas.  i'm agnostic myself, but still find
this song to be incredibly moving.
i'd also like to point out, just to keep people informed, that rhyme
or reason is pre-halloween, but i don't know by how much.
 
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
======================================================================


Posted By: EWHESSE@AMHERST.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:13 PM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: Doobie Song

So, that's what it's called- "Doobie Song" I miss it alot. Even if it was
separate from Ants (although italways went into it when I saw them) I think
it enlivened Ants quite a bit. The happy groovy funk is something they should
do more improvisational work on. On 6/9/93 at the FZ for instance, Dave
comments on Boyd's presence alone on the either side of the stage and
attributes it to his uncleanliness. Boyd then declares it's "the kind of
funk you can smell" The band then seems to veer into an improv funk groove
for a couple minutes. W/ Carter and Stephan as the base, they could easily
hit funky grooves all the time.
Eric


Posted By: BH7N@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA
Time/Date: 6:28 PM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: Guitar Tab

Hey minaretters:
 
This weekend I worked out One Sweet World on my guitar. I'm going
to write it up over break and post it when I come back to school.
I was thinking that since we're all going to have some free time coming
up soon, maybe some other guitar players can also work on
transcribing some songs and we could get a chords file going!
 
What do you think?
 
Kwon.


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:12 PM Tuesday, December 7, 1993
Subject: Re: new songs

I didn't include rhyme and reason as an excellent new song because it's not. 
It's an excellent new SOLO song--probably the best solo song he has (at least
before the lyrics changed to Dead And Gone).  The only solo song that rivals
it is the July 8, '92 Seek Up, which was it's debut.  In my opinion, these
songs are much better solo.

No, Quick Lay and Goodbye is not an excellent song.

Also, words to Halloween mean absolutely nothing

If I ever talk shit about the band, it's just to get people talking (and have
fun.)    Kerry


Posted By: COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 1:02 AM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: pop goes the Dave

I don't understand why every one is so hositle to the idea that the
Dave Matthews Band might become popular...for instance wanting to send
an article to a less well known popular so that it isn't received by
the people who aren't "alternative or cool."  I for one wish all the
best for the band's success due to the fact that they deserve it.
Personally I would love to see the band on TV as opposed to Kerry who
might see it as selling out.  Granted, the band won't be visiting the
Flood Zone or Tracks as much, but the fact that they could become
nation-wide or even world wide shows our good taste in music, eh guys?
I say, let them have their successes, they've worked and played hard
for it!
 
Jamie Cogbill


Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 3:21 AM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: Interview paper...

>Hi again all...To my knowledge, this is the first paper having anything to do
>with the band to be posted.  It's pretty much general stuff that many of you
>will know, but maybe some of you will find it interesting.  This was an
>assignment to do an interview with anyone for a Human Communications class.  If
>enough people would like to see an actual transcript or if we are starting an
>interview file, I can transcribe it.  I suppos I could keep track of any
>interviews that anyone might do with the band.  Phish.net has a pretty good
>interviews file.  Anyone think we should keep one?  Anyway, enjoy...I'll post
>the actual transcript later...
>
>                         Interview Paper
>                          Dave Matthews
>     Dave Matthews is the guitarist, singer and songwriter for the
>Dave Matthews Band which originated in Charlottesville, Virginia.
>The band has enjoyed growing popularity over the past year as their
>tours have taken them beyond the weekly shows in Charlottesville
>and Richmond to New England, the deep south and as far west as
>Colorado.  They have had the opportunity to play with a wide
>variety of musicians including Warren Haynes and other members of
>The Allman Brothers Band, Noel Redding, John Popper of Blues
>Traveller,  Trey Anastasio of Phish, as well as a host of bands
>with whom they have shared the stage.
>     The first album by Dave Matthews Band, Remember Two Things,
>was released November ninth on Bama Rag Records.  This release was
>closely followed by a signing with RCA, and the band's first major
>label release is expected by Fall 1994.
>     Growing popularity was one of the key topics in my interview
>with Dave Matthews which consisted of an on air radio interview and
>conversations before and after the band's performance in Wilson
>Hall on the 29th of November.
>     Perhaps the most surprising aspect of talking with Dave on the
>air live was the level of nervousness he displayed.  He would
>resort to joking and fidgeting as if he seemed anxious about being
>in the public eye.  I did not expect this type of reaction from
>someone who has played on stage before thousands of people nd has
>always come across as exceedingly self-confident in dealings
>offstage.
>     The interview began with a general question about the band's
>growth in terms of where he thought the band might be in five
>years.  Dave, always playful on and offstage, immediately began
>trying to make things difficult on myself and Rick Thompson with
>whom I was doing the interview.  Dave had looked at our question
>sheet before the show and falling into a ridiculous English accent
>began mocking us: "I 'ates questions...Wotcha gonna be doing in
>foive yeas?  I dunno!  'Olding up me jock strap I imagine!"  It
>looked like it may be difficult to accomplish a meaningful
>interview with Dave, who seemed to be in one of his stranger moods.
>     But to our relief he settled down and left off the English
>accent for a while.  He later told us that the brogue was something
>he often used when he was nervous.  It took him several more
>minutes of jokes to finally get to the heart of the question.  He
>jokingly told us his only desire was to be filthy rich, no matter
>who he had to hurt to get it: "It would be nice to be filthy rich
>no matter what I'm doing whether I'm exploiting the poor or playing
>music."  But when it really got down to what Dave's hopes are for
>the future, he showed himself to be a man of relatively simple
>desires.  He would like to be playing music and have lots of
>vacation time.  He would also like to be surrounded by money.
>Welcome to the world of Rock n Roll.
>     The conversation next turned to discussion of the band's
>weekly shows on Tuesday nights at Trax in Charlottesville,
>Virginia.  These shows have been for the most part a weekly ritual
>for the past three years.  In recent months, the growing popularity
>of the band has caused sellouts on many Tuesday nights, leading
>many to question how long the band would be able to play there.
>     Dave told us he likes Trax and was thankful that the band was
>lucky enough to get these weekly gigs.  Tuesday night, he
>explained, is normally a bad night in terms of live music, but the
>band always had that steady weekly income, leaving them able to
>cover a wider and wider touring range on the more popular weekend
>nights.
>     He was unsure how soon the band would actually outgrow Trax,
>and like to think that they would always be able to go back there,
>but said that because of the widening geographic scope that the
>band is now catering to, this will probably be the last year for
>the Tuesday night shows.  Dave told us that the band would very
>much like to extend touring to a more national level.
>     Throughout the interview, Dave had seemed relatively at ease,
>but was almost constantly tinkering with his guitar and looking
>down.  At times when he seemed to be searching for what to say, he
>would again fall into one of several accents and would begin to
>ramble about topics ranging from homosexuality to the ever present
>subject of money.
>     Dave claimed that his mother was greatly responsible for
>supporting him throughout the years.  His father had passed away.
>Musically, Dave professed to have very normal tastes and
>influences.  He mentioned the Beatles and classic rock in general
>as his greatest influences.
>     Following a final joking and longwinded plug for his CD and
>upcoming show, Dave concluded the interview by playing two songs
>solo.
>     My overall impression of Dave Matthews, though this interview
>was not my first, served to reaffirm that although one can perform
>before screaming crowds every night and can eventually grow to
>superstardom in the eyes of thousands of fans, everyone starts out
>in the same place.  Everyone gets nervous from time to time, and
>everyone has flaws, for no matter to what height we rise, we will
>always be human.
 
*******************The devious gelatin holding me fast*************************
*  Gregg Carrier                               stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu  *
*  JMU Box 1734              :) ;) :D :P                                      *
*  Harrisonburg, VA  22807                     (703) JMU-KIND                 *
*******************Miraculous now you let me move past*************************


Posted By: daveh@shell.portal.com
Time/Date: 10:22 AM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: Need info on upcoming 12/11/93 show

I know that DMB is scheduled to play in New York City this weekend, but I
forget where.  If someone could e-mail me any of the info, that'd be great!

								-Dave

P.S.  Have a nice day.
--
Remember:  If you have to ask, you don't want to know why.

                                -Dave Hamilton (daveh@shell.portal.com)


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:37 AM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: re: DMB Album Review

"Tripping Blues" - a tie-dye anthem if ever there was one???????????????????
           ^^^^

Funny how some people are.

alex Crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:40 AM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: FZ

FZ=Flood Zone
FZ=Frank Zappa

oh no, who knew?

alex Crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:51 AM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: DMB set lists from 11.16.93 till 12.5.93

Just got a slew of setlists.  Thought maybe you all might be interested in
taking a look at all of them together.

alex Crothers

11.16.93...TRAX...C'ville
Set 1
1 Sweet,Tripping Billies,Granny,Lie in our Graves,Help Myself,
2 Step,Jimi Thing,What Would You Say.
Set 2
New Song(acoustic),I'll Back You Up,Warehouse,Satelite,Dancing
Nancies...Typical Situation Situation,Ants.

11.17.93...FLOOD ZONE...Richmond
Set 1
1 Sweet, Tripping, Granny, Nancies, Typical, Lover Lay Down, Jimi Thing, What
Would You Say
Set 2
New Song(ac), Back U Up, 2 Step, Recently(..some people do...), Halloween.
Encore
Ants.

11.18.93...MAD MONK...Wilmington,NC
Set 1
1 Sweet, Trippping, Granny, Help Myself, Song That Jane Likes, Satelite,
Nancies
Set 2
New Song(ac), Warehouse, Minarets...Watchtower, Lie in..., Jimi Thing, Seek
Up, Halloween
Encore
Ants

11.19.93...MUSIC FARM...Charelston, NC
Set 1
1 Sweet, Tripping, Granny, Help Myself, Jane, Satelite, Nancies
Set 2
New Song(ac), Rhyme or Reason(ac), Best of What's Around(ac), Warehouse,
Minarets...Watchtower, Angel From Montgomery, Lie in..., Jimi Thing...Seek Up
Encore
Recently(ac)

11.20.93...GEORGIA THEATRE...Athens, GA
Set 1
1 Sweet, Tripping, Lie in..., Granny, Help Myself, Jane, Satelite, Nancies
Set 2
Angel From Montgomery, Minarets, Warehouse, Typical, What Would You Say, Jimi
Thing, Recently...Space...Recently
Encore
New Song(ac), Ants

11.23.93....TRAX...C'ville
Set 1
New Song(ac), Satelite, Jane, Best of What's Around, Tripping, Lover Lay
Down, Angel From Montgomery, Help Myself, True Reflections
Set 2
Granny, Minarets, What Would..., Lie..., Nancies, Recently
Encore
Ants
              
11.24.93...FLOOD ZONE...RICHMOND 
SET 1 
TRIPPING, 1 Sweet, Jane, Help Myself, Nancies, Lie in..., WhAt Would..., True
Reflections
Set 2
Minarets, Jimi Thing...Seek Up, Sate;lite, New Song(ac), Granny, Warehouse,
Halloween
Encore
Ants

11.26.93...PEPPERMINT BEACH CLUB...Va Beach, VA
Set 1
1 Sweet, Tripping, Granny, Satelite, Help Myself, Jane, Nancies, True
Set 2 
Minarets, Lover, Lie in..., Jimi Thing...Seek Up, Pay For What You Get, What
Would..., Warehouse....Then cops came!

11.27.93...THE BAYOU...Wash, DC
Set 1
1 Sweet, Tripping, Jane, Satelite, Granny, Nancies, True
Set 2 
Minarets, Jimi Thing...Seek Up, New Song(ac), Back U Up, Watchtower(w/Warren
Haynes), Recently(WH)
Encore
Ants(WH)

11.29.93...JMU...Harrisonburg,Va
Set 1 (Dave and Tim Renyolds acoustic)
Pay For What You Get, Recently, Back U Up, Typ[ical, You Are My Sanity(TR
solo), Minarets, Stream(TR solo), Xmas Song,
Set 2 (Full Band)
1 Sweet, Tripping, Jane, Help Myself, Nancies, Satelite, Granny, Lie in...,
Minarets, Halloween
Encore
New Song(ac), Lover, Ants

11.30.93...TRAX...C'ville
Best of What's Around(ac), Redemption Song(ac), Nancies, 2 Step, 1 Sweet,
Jimi Thing...Seek Up, Pay For..., New Song(ac) Back U Up, Lover, Tripping,
Granny, True
Encore
Ants

12.1.93...FLOOD ZONE...Richmond
Set 1
Rhyme or Reason(ac), Drive In Drive Out(ac), New Song(ac), Seek Up, Help
Myself, What Would..., Nancies...Typical
Set 2
1 Sweet, Tripping, Lie in..., Jimi Thing, Warehouse, Back U Up, True...Rap
Encore
Ants

12.2.93...VIRGINIA TECH...Blacksburg
Set 1
Rhyme or Reason(ac), Drive in/out(ac), New Song(ac), Satelite, Jane, Help
Myself, Tripping, Lie in..., Nancies
Set 2 
Ants, Minarets, Granny, Jimi Thing, Seek Up, Lover, What Would You Say

12.3.93...FLAMINGO...Knoxville, TN
Set 1
1 Sweet, Tripping, Jane, Satelite, Lie in..., Nancies, True
Set 2
Ants, Granny, Jimi Thing...Seek Up...Then some technical problems.

12.4.93...THE CANNERY...Nashville, TN
Set 1
1 Sweet, Satelite, Jane, Help Myself, Tripping, Recently, Warehouse,
Watchtower
Set 2
Ants, Granny, Jimi Thing...Seek Up, #36, What Would..., True
Encore
New Song(ac), Angel...

12.5.93...IVORY TUSK...Tuscaloosa, AL
Set 1
1 Sweet, Tripping, Jane(new beginning), Lie in..., Pay for..., Satelite, Hepl
Myself, Jimi Thing, Minarets, 
Set 2
Ants, #36, Warehouse, Nancies, New Song(ac), Xmas Song, Granny, What Would
You Say, True


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 1:28 PM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: Irving Plaza

        Hello Y'all,

Right now I'm on an airplane, flying home to New York. (laptops are pretty
neato!)  Finals are over :->.
I can't wait for the show on Friday at Irving plaza.
A couple thing:  Is anyone going to be there?  I would love to talk Dave
and meet a few netters.  
Is it only me or is anyone else perturbed with the band's making the jump
from Wetlands----> Irving Plaza?  I hope they fill it!!! (1000 people)

Looking forward to an awesome show and...dammit, let 'em play Ants as an
encore.  Beggers can't be choosy  (some of us don't live in Virginia and
see them twice a week ;->)

Hope to here from everyone,

Brian 

Good Luck on Finals!


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>------------                                |    chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
 Brian Lipman \----------          @    @   / \   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Northwestern University \------     !      Well, I guess I should play 
Allison 3002, 1820 Chicago Ave |  \    /   some shit you guys know 
Evanston, Illinois  60201-3856 |   \__/    afterall, because the people 
--------------------------------           here at Wetlands are paying me. 
I'm Hungry.  Let's get a taco.-Mr. White   tonight.  -John Popper 6.24.93
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 3:23 PM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: I.P.

Ben offers some conjectures about 12/10/93:

They will not fill Irving Plaza.
The place will be extremely hot anyway.
You will meet the band if you want to.
They will play Ants Marching, but NOT as an encore. (as an aside, most
people STILL won't know the lyrics to it.)
Someone will be screaming "Steve-O" during the whole show.
They will play Watchtower.
I will be jealous you if you are there.

--Ben
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 4:23 PM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: Re: Jamie cogbill's inferences

When did I say that I didn't want to see them on TV?  When did I say that it
would be selling out?  I don't care what they do with their popularity as
long as they keep making good songs.

Someone said Christmas Song is phenomenal; I've always found it to be boring.
As slow songs go, Pay For What You Get is much more interesting.  Christmas
Song is good because it gives me a chance to use the bathroom.  
    
Is it "My HEAD won't leave my head alone," or "My HAIR won't leave my head
alone?"
  
                        Shut up,  I'm thinking.      Kerry


Posted By: HAUSERBT@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Time/Date: 4:28 PM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: Cd ordering info

I've never posted before so I hope this works.  I'm a displaced Richmonder
in grad school in Florida and I'm trying to get a copy of the new CD.  My
local record store dude told me he's heard of DMB, but that the records were
on consignment thru the band and that he could not order them.  Is this right?
If so, can I order one through Peaches or some other CD store in Richmond?
Let me know, anyone...Thanks

		Brian


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 9:53 PM Wednesday, December 8, 1993
Subject: People (?)

    On one of my bootlegs, there's this song labeled "People" (it's not People
Stare) that is beautiful, but is cut off in the middle, and I've never seen
the song on any other tapes. Also, Peter played an integral role on the
version I have (I couldn't discern any guitar, violin or saxophone -- if so,
they were very minimal) so I'm wondering if and how the band plays the song
now without keyboards. The tape it's on does not have a date so if it's
actually called something else, that doesn't help. But here's the opening
verses after long piano intro: 
"Seven tumbling oceans surround the ground that I dance upon
Black and white and the rainbow, five colors in my eyes
When we stand in our mothers arms, a feeling of emptiness....

People, people, what are we doing in here
Oh, people, people, what have we done
When we fight over the ocean, when we fight over the sky
and so on. forgive me if this is in the lyrics file, but I have accidentally
lost it.

It's one of the more moving DMB songs I know (along with Blood of our
Children) so if anyone happens to have a crisp copy on a good show, I'd love
to trade.

A slightly different note: I definitely think the band deserves more
recognition and a wider fan base, but I would be dissapointed if they went in
on a video. I understood that the reason they took so long in signing with a
major label, was that they wanted to be sure they would be able to do things
on their own terms. But if they want to eventually do a video, then at least
many more people will be touched by their music -- and that's one thing that
will not change.

Bob


Posted By: gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 12:42 AM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: guitar tab

I'm all for it.  Get it and go.
Graham


Posted By: devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 3:59 AM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: irving plaza

i was just wondering if anybody on this net knows where irving plaza is, or if
they could possibly give directions on how to get there, coming from new
jersey. it looks, now, like i will be able to make that show, so any help on
how to get there would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.
i also assume that the starting time will be around 11:00, and i think i read that admission is $10. is all this info correct? again, thanks a lot.



                                    -fat boy (drew devereux)


Posted By: @BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU:ST002314@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Time/Date: 11:12 AM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 46

damn, kerry!  is there a dmb song you actually LIKE besides halloween? :)
       (note the sarcasm)  love, dave


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:35 AM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: Re: 12-7 Trax

I have plenty to trade to anyone with Tuesday night's Trax show with Tim
Reynolds.                         -Kerry


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 1:42 PM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: january the third, nineteen ninty four

hey y'all--

i know this is a little in advance, but i figured i oughta go ahead and ask
now before i have to leave my email for the winter 8-( on the 18th after
finals 8-)

will any of you netters be at the 1/3/94 show in Atlanta at the Variety
Playhouse (an awesome, small club i heard)?  i may be there, if i make it
to the ARU shows on the 29th, 30th, and then in Atlanta on NYEve with the
Unit, then i'll just stick around for a couple of days and catch DMB on the
3rd!  also, do any of you live in the area?  i will have from the 31st to
the 3rd to just bum around, we could hook up if you'd like.  also, does
anyone know of any shows on the 1st or the 2nd near Atlanta?  wow, that
would be a sweet vacation if i saw three ARUs, 1 DMB, plus a couple of
others!  oh wait -- it will be sweet no matter if i catch 1 show or 6!

on another topic:  i am not hearing any news about the tree.  what's the
deal?

oh, and can anyone be as wizardly as ben and tell me what's gonna be played
at the atlanta show?  if it's not gonna be a good show, will some gypsy
please tell me so i can stay home?  just kidding...  i think it's great
when people start knowing enough about a scene to make predictions, be they
accurate or not, good or bad.

too much babeling (trying to procratinate)...
love,daniel
--------------gnome boy------greenfling---->>>



        	               	==============================================
                	       		We shall not cease from exploration
        	               		And in the end all our exploring
                	       		Will be to arrive where we started
        	               		And to know the place for the first time.
        	       	  	        	       	--T.S. Eliot
                	        	==============================================


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 1:51 PM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: Trax 12-7-93

        Just wanted to post the setlist from the show at Trax last night.
A band called TR3 opened and Tim Reynolds is in the band.  They rocked hard
and it sounded a lot like Widespread.  Anyway, the Dave show was jammin and
a little different:
 
Dancing Nancies- time 12:32- jammed hard with Tim Reynolds
 
Two Step-  pleasent surprise
 
Ants Marching- Not encore, but opened second set, and was opened with a
jam from Carter and Tim
 
#36- the first time i have heard this live-a great song with funk, reggae
      sound to it
 
Setlist   12-7-93
******************
 
* with Tim Reynolds
 
Drive in Drive Out
I'll Back you Up
 
*Tripping Billies
*One Sweet World
*Song that Jane Likes
*Help Myself
* #36
*Dancing Nancies
 
Set 2
*******
 
*Quick Lay and Goodbye
Carter and Tim Duet Jam
*Ants Marching
*Jimi Thing
*Minarets
*Two Step
*Warehouse
 
No encore because they ran over time, but Warehouse was just like an
encore without the band leaving the stage-
 
 
Wayland


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 4:35 PM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: please help me

TO THE NETTER WHO MENTIONED GETTING NON-WILLIAMS COLLEGE PEOPLE INTO THE
SHOW ON SATURDAY:  PLEASE CONTACT ME AT btanen@husc.harvard.edu

sorry for screaming y'all, but it's important (I want to go).

"Steve-O"

Ben

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu ------------


Posted By: blakec@wyvern.wyvern.com
Time/Date: 5:10 PM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: DMB 12/8/93 Floodzone, Richmond VA

Incredible show. TR3 opened and were better than I remembered.  Tim Reynolds
stayed out and played the whole show with DMB.  They REALLY got off. 
Especially well rocked were Tripping Billies and Song that Jane Likes. They
played a new intro to Jane.  We heard #36 soundchecked and when they played
it during the show I was going NUTS.  Forget anything bad I've ever said
about Ants in am encore slot.  It was great last night (even after seeing it
encored 3 Wednesdays in a row).

Set 1 and Only

Song That Jane Likes
Tripping Billies
One Sweet World
Granny
Dancing Nancies
True Reflections
Quick Lay and Goodbye (Dave and Tim only)
I'll Back You Up (Dave and Tim only)
Song #36 (WOW!)
Minarets
Seek Up
Christmas Song

Encore: Tim jam>
        Ants Marching


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 5:27 PM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: FZ last night

well, i'm sitting here listening to my incredibly clear soundboard of last
night's minarets and i think the 9+ hours in the car was actually worth it.

wow.  it was a really good show -- not the best i've seen, but very good.  the
minarets and the ants were definitely my highlights -- amazing.  and, as i'm
sure blake will mention, #36 was awesome to hear, too.  tim reynolds didn't
seem to have much effect on the show last night but, listening back over the
tapes, he adds a whole lot.  it sounds blasphemous, but i think they might even
consider adding him permanently.  his rhythm lines on some of the songs were
just fantastic, adding a groovy new dimension.  okay, let me recap, recoup,
elucidate my thoughts on this show...

tr3 was good as an opener although i wished they wouldn't have had an effect on
how long dave played (he didn't even start until after midnight which was
kindof a bummer).  the set was fairly remember 2 things-centric but that was
okay considering my friends had only heard the cd and those were certainly the
songs they knew.  the only glaring omission for them was satellite but they'll
hear it another time.  they all seemed to have a good time.  my feeling was
that dave and carter were really into the show (those two always seem to be, i
guess) and that stephan and boyd were interested from time to time, depending
upon what was happening (i think that's what made minarets and ants so good --
boyd was going nuts and stephan was jumping around, too).  stephan's bass was
definitely not loud enough which was a slight bummer for me as a bass player
but oh well.  i think the only time i heard him play was when he was playing
those antiphonal riffs with dave during ants.  i knew everyone wasn't too
surprised to hear ants as an encore but they did a really cool version of it
which made up for the unpredictability.  

i talked to leroi for a few moments after the show and he seemed to be pleased
that i had traveled so far to see the band and also pleased that we all liked
the show.  carter never ceases to amaze me as a drummer (and he definitely
impressed my friend matt who is an excellent drummer himself).  his jam with
tim at the beginning of the encore was intense.  anyway, i'm sure there are
about 200 other things i've meant to say about the show but i'll remember them
later and stop babbling for now.  

it was great to meet blake, wayland, and emily from the net -- thanks for
helping me plug in my deck and all that guys.  the tape is incredibly good. 
take care, good luck on finals (those of you who are unlucky enough to have
them) and hope to see you all at a show soon.

reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


p.s. graham -- let's not let mom and dad know that i drove to richmond when i
had a paper to write that night instead...


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 5:25 PM Thursday, December 9, 1993
Subject: Dave's history

I have two things I'd like to know a bit more about (which should definitely 
be in the FAQ) that I think would be worth discussing:

* What do you know about Dave?  All I know is that he is from South Africa 
originally (details on this?  how did he get here?  how long did he live 
there?) and that he was a bartender in Charlottesville until he put the band 
together to do a demo tape about 3-4 years ago and then it all happened.  Can 
anyone else add to that very limited history?  

* Can someone describe in detail the band's equipment?  Dave plays a Gibson 
thin-body acoustic/electric guitar which seems to go right through the 
soundboard.  Boyd plays through a GK amp into a Mesa Boogie stack?  Anyone 
know details on what kind of M-B he plays?  What about Stephan?  What kind of 
bass does he play?  What kind of rack is that he has?  Carter plays Yamaha 
drums (pretty obvious from his bass drum) and has a double bass pedal, etc.  
Can anyone fill in the grey areas?  Like the Phish FAQ, I think this would be 
good stuff to include in ours, too...

Thanks,

Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 3:07 AM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: DMB's CD Information

Someone asked so I thought I'd post this to the net again just in case
anyone else out there was wondering.  This in the number to call (or have
your local music store call) to order "Remember Two Things."


Bama Rags Records
Coran Capshaw
(804) 979-9695/fax (804) 293-6510
PO Box 1911, Charlottesville VA 22903

alex Crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:07 AM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: Willaims College: anyone?

I saw Ben posted about going to this show and someone atttending Williams
also said something.

I'll be there; anyone else?

I'll be hanging around the soundboard or up front.  Look for me there. 
Unfortunaly I'm not taping this show but......

If you really need to find me for some reason and can't find me ask
Michael (the merchadise guy) or Jeff (soundman--but not while he's
doing sound!!) who/where I am. They'll be able to point you
where I am or at least tell me later that someone is looking for me.  But
someone shouldn't need to find me that much. :)

So we have a net gathering?  :)

alex Crothers

ps-I'm hoping getting in won't be that hard for outsider.  I recomend
getting there early if you're unsure or getting in touch with that person
from Williams on the net.


Posted By: sdeutsch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 11:40 AM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: GSW

I know this isn't DMB related, but does anyone know about the upcoming God
Street Wine show at the Wetlands? 

Sue
sdeutsch@wlu.edu


Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 3:03 PM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: Netters list?

Hello all!
Well, I have agreed to do the interviews and stories files for the net, but
that shouldn't take too much time up, so what about a netters file?  Phish net
has one that is in a sad state of disrepair.  For us, however, it could be easy
to start and maintain a netters list.  So, if you would like to be on one,
please fill out the form below and send it to me.  You lurkers fill this out
too.  It will make it easy to find out if any netters are near you or a show
you're attending or whatever.  So here goes:
 
Name:
Email address:
Snail Mail Address:
PHone # (or numbers and dates/times you'll be there):
Personal Description:
Favorite color:
Favorite flavor Jolly Rancher:
How/When/Where/Why you got into DMB:
Additional misc remarks/interests:
 
This list will really help give everyone a fuller picture of what everyone else
is like.  I hope you all agree.  Don't make requests for the list yet.  I'll
post once it's filled up somewhat.
 
*******************The devious gelatin holding me fast*************************
*  Gregg Carrier                               stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu  *
*  JMU Box 1734              :) ;) :D :P                                      *
*  Harrisonburg, VA  22807                     (703) JMU-KIND                 *
*******************Miraculous now you let me move past*************************


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 4:35 PM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: wake forest and it's on private idaho...

for those of you who are at wake forest waiting for a copy of the
lyrics file, be patient.  apparently nothing is getting through,
but my system is going to keep trying right through to next sunday,
so be patient.
 
now for some odmbc:
as far as seeing tim reynolds play with dmb last week, i really
wish i could have been there.  but as for him joining the band:
did he play his electric all night, or did he use an acoustice?
 
here's why i ask:  this summer i saw tim jam with the band, and
even as phenomenal as tim is, i wasn't impressed with what he
had to offer.  most of the time he seemed to flamboyant and just
didn't seem to be too cohesive with the band (in other words, he
was just showing off).  but when i saw them jam together here at
jmu, it was a completely different story.  if tim joins using the
same style he  was using here, i'm all for it.  but if he starts
showing off again, they're going to have to put a leash on him, or
he'll just get in the way of the music that dmb puts together.
 
just another humble opinion presented by:
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jmu box 5388
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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 7:34 PM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: List Size

Anyone who may have been wondering:  Minarets has 101 subsribers.

alex Crothers


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Time/Date: 7:59 PM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: (1) ants encores -- do they hear us? (2) samper on HORDEnet

>Ants Marching- Not encore, but opened second set, and was opened with a
>jam from Carter and Tim

does anyone know if DMB is hearing all the comments on the net regarding
the too-common encore ants?  do you think they are taking this net's
comments into consideration?

(2)  for those of you who are not on HORDEnet --  
there is going to be a "sampler" tape tree next year.  the tape is going to
have live songs by numerous bands who are currently inaccessable  or
unheard of by many people.  i am putting the tape together, and i plan to
include bands such as shockra, the hatters, jambay, other even less-known
bands, and of course DMB.  if anyone wants me to forward you the whole post
concerning the details of this tape, please private-email me.  this is just
a very brief description to let y'all know.

love,daniel

----gnome boy---greenfling----->>>


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 8:11 PM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: Dave's nervous tongues and Dancing Nancy

As i was listening to my tape from the 12-8-93 show at the Floodzone, I
noticed that after the first song Dave says strange words in a weird
tongue.  I remembered reading Greg's post about his interview with Dave
noticing the same nervousness.  Well, after his weird words he tells the
audience he is NERVOUS because it is a sad night because it is the last show
at the Flooda
at the Floodzone for a while.  so i guess the supports greg's statement
about Dave being nervous and talking in strange accents.  It always is
sortof cool and amusing to hear Dave to this.
 
Anyway, as i was listening to the same tape, before Dancing Nancy over
 is u
his guitar opening, Dave mumbles about:
 
he said he was depressed once, and wished the rain would stop, and then
he could find the energy to go outside, then he says something like:
 
"so tell me, wouln't you like to be somebody else?  Somebody else?"
 
He then starts the lyrics to the song.  Did any of you other tapers notice
that also?
 
Sorry about the typos but i wanted to post this before i started s
studying for my exam tomorrow.
 
wayland-


Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 8:13 PM Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: New songs...

To Kerry and others who don't like the newer songs:
You go to the bathroom during Christmas Song?!?!?!?!?  Wow...I guess what I
like about the Dave Matthews band and what others like is exceedingly
different.  I can admit this, and I think that you should too Kerry.  Please
try not to make any sweeping statements like "Quick lay and Goodbye is not an
excellent song." or "Christmas Song is not an excellent song"
 
In my opinion both are.
 
The thing that I like most about Dave Matthews Band is the vast ammount of
personal emotion that Dave pours into songs like Christmas and Cry Freedom.  I
like his slower more moving songs better than I like the "Eat drink and be
merry" variety.  Granted, I used to like the rollicking partying songs, and the
band can certainly jam, but time has shown me that the others are more
enduring.
 
I am not Christian, but I love Christmas Song.  When I saw Dave do it with Tim
Reynolds, it was one of the most beautiful songs I have ever seen Dave play.
The only time I can think of that surpasses it happens to be another time he
played Christmas Song:
 
This was a few weeks befor Christmas last year and my girlfriend (at the time)
and I were at Trax early for some reason.  Well, all of our friends had either
gone home for the hollidays or whatever so we went in Trax to hang out.
Literally no one was inside.  We grabbed some water and sat on the stage.
Dave came walking out a few minutes later to put one of his guitars out
and fiddle with some pedals.  I had met him several times already, so he said
hi and sat down to chat with us.  We were talking for a while about various
songs and such when all of a sudden he goes: "Oh, Gregg, check out this new one
I wrote..."  He grabbed his guitar and started playing...that's right,
Christmas Song...well before it had been played live I believe. (I know it was
played a few times with sketchy lyrics around Christmas last year, but the
first I heard of it was a week or so after this)  Well, as you can imagine,
that was the coolest Dave Matthews experience I've ever had.  He was really
pouring a lot more of himself into the song than in say Ants MArching.  I
dunno, I liked it...
 
A song does not have to be slow, however, to have emotion.  Ever hear
Halloween? ;)  Even though this is the drunken party favorite, I love it.  Dave
really bares his soul on that one.
 
And, no, Kerry, Halloween is _NOT_, absolutely NOT, about nothing.  If you
think that, I suggest you listen to it again or better yet see it live.  Do not
pretend to be the definitive source on information...some newer Dave fans might
get confused and think you're right ;)
 
Halloween may have different meanings for different folks, but Dave is
definitely saying a lot.  Just my opinion.  Take it easy folks, and good luck
on those exams!
 
*******************The devious gelatin holding me fast*************************
*  Gregg Carrier                               stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu  *
*  JMU Box 1734              :) ;) :D :P                                      *
*  Harrisonburg, VA  22807                     (703) JMU-KIND                 *
*******************Miraculous now you let me move past*************************


Posted By: COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 10:49 Friday, December 10, 1993
Subject: yet another 12/8 FZ post

I tried to type in a post to the net around 4am last Thursday when I
got back to Gtown, but for I think I botched the address so it never
got posted.  Anyway, here's my 2 cents on the show:
 
One of the highlights was being able to chew the fat w/ Dave before
the show for about 10 or 15 minutes.  We were both up on the balcony
looking down and watching Tim do his soundcheck.  Whoever posted that
Tim might be considered as a permanent addition, may of had some
insight cuz Dave was going crazy watching Tim.  According to Dave
Tim's the best guitarrist he has ever seen.  Anyhow I also talked to
him a bit about his plans to go to John Alagia's house over Xmas, and
other neato stuff.  He's such a cool guy.
 
Anyhow, the show was great!  #36, Minarets, Seek Up, and the Ants
encore were definite highlights.
 
After the show I talked to Leroi, for the first time, and I was so
surprised to find out how nice he is.  Maybe its just me but judging
from his stage presence, I always figured he'd just be a little stand
offish...he really wasn't.
Oh yeah, I got Dave's pick at the end of the show...yee-hah!
 
It's sad that it's they're last regular show at the FZ, no more wild
summer Wednesday nights....
 
Sorry I didn't get the chance to meet any netters that night...oh well
they'res always future shows.  See ya.
 
Jamie Cogbill
 
PS--is it just me or is Kerry just saying stuff to get us
annoyed?


Posted By: sdeutsch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 12:03 AM Saturday, November 11, 1993
Subject: DMB and Leo Tolstoy

Ok, I know this is a random topic, but imagine my surprise when I came
across a passage in Tolstoys' "A Confession" which said:
	"The second way out is epicureanism....Solomon expresses
	this way out thus: 'Then I commended mirth, because a man 
	hath no better thing under the sun, than to EAT, AND TO 
	DRINK, AND TO BE MERRY: and that this should accompany 
	him in his labour the days of his life, which God giveth 
	him under the sun.'"

So, go, Dave, go.  And my parents have the nerve to criticize my taste in
music...

  "so eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die"

Sue			sdeutsch@wlu.edu


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 2:53 Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: Irving Plaza

Just got back from IP--

It was great, huge crowd   about 1000!
Great songs:  Band's Setlist:

Set I

One Sweet World  (acoustic)
Song that Jane Likes
Tripping Billies
Lie In our Graves
Satellite
Granny
What Would...
True Reflections

Set II

Ants Marching
Dancing Nancies
Minarets
Thirty six (also as sound check)
Warehouse
(some new tune)
Recently
Jimi
Seek Up

Encore:
Blood (?)  (Gotta check)
Halloween

They were going to encore with watchtower also but ran out of time.

The venue was  annoying so I have the first set on tape from audience
(stealth set-up)  and the second and encore from the soundboard.  
I haven't listened to them yet but if you are interested in trading drop me
an email!

I talked to Carter for awhile afterwards,  he says that they signed an
awesome deal with RCA.  (BTW all of the corporate big shots were there)

Dave is cool
Said the reason they don't play Halloween that much was because it is tough
on his voice.  I told him about Ants as an encore he said they played it a
lot because they stuck to that list for a few weeks.  It's differen't now. 
I think Carter made up tonite's.

Well that was the short version.  If you want to know more (I'll fill you
in but don't want to inundate people) 

Still Smilin',

Brian

BTW:  Chan Kinchla from BT showed up.  He's a cool dude.


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Evanston, Illinois  60201-3856 |   \__/    afterall, because the people 
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Posted By: JEROTTON@DAVIDSON.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:15 PM
Subject: need some dates for this weekend

could someone please send me the current list or schedule of shows from
now untill christmas...thanx a million
                                                Jeremy of Aglide


Posted By: @BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU:ST002314@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Time/Date: 1:18 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 49

there seems to be a lot of questioning about the meaning of halloween. . .i
remember a show one night, one of those months, one of those years, when dave
introduced it being about a night he was asleep at stephan's house, and stephan
kept kicking him in the head in his sleep.  so, ostensibly, that is what its
about.  dave   ps. . .don't worry about the incomprehendibility (is that a
word?  it is now) of my post, i'm jes' exam-related-brain dead.


Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 1:56 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: halloween song

hello crowd of 101 subscribers...
about halloween song, and this is only a rumor, but supposedly one of the 
reasons they hadn't been playing it recently is because dave's g-friend hates
that song because it's about another person. (which doesn't make sense to me
because a majority of the songs have to do with other girls. unless she 
doesn't like to sing about the pain of a relationship gone bad...who knows???
maybe i'm being too analytical...)

also, on some of the clearer tapes, you can distinguish a great deal of the 
lyrics.  dave screams 'fuck' about three or four times and one particular line
in a copy i have he screams, 'tell me, are you satisfied fucking?'
another cool line ...'i come into your nightmare and suck up into your mind.'

gotta love that passion...
clare emily clifford


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:39 Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: Re: Is DMB hearing all on Minarets

> does anyone know if DMB is hearing all the comments on the net regarding
> the too-common encore ants?  do you think they are taking this net's
> comments into consideration?

DMB, per se, doesn't get a chance to read Minarets.  Just like the members
of Phish don't get a chance to read Phish.Net.  I'm sure there are
exceptions occasionally but on the most part the members of MDB don't read
Minarets.Net.  However, some people involved with the management of DMB
are on the net.  (i.e. Shelly of Phish.Net)  The DMB office (still in
Trax, I believe) has internet access and recieve Minarets.Net.  However,
I'm not sure how much time they have to read it.  They are usually
relatively busy and the things that come across a net like this are
normally of little concern to them.  (i.e. setlist, favorite songs,
reviews, ect...)  I forward anything that I view as important to the
management to their personal mailboxes that way they are sure to read it.
However, I don't think Ants Marching as a continous encore would be.  The
best way to deal with that would be to talk to Dave or some other member
personally and let them know your feelings (which some of you have done).
Hope this helped.

alex Crothers
ps-they are working on getting a modem/internet access for the road.  If
this happens......who knows?


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:47 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: Re: Eat Drink and Be Merry

Just wanted to add my persoanl story on this quote: In my Environmental
Studies Lecture course and few days ago, my professor was discussing the
importance of not becoming pesimestic and glum from all the terrible
things we had learned in the course but to remain optimistic and there
still is a chance to make a difference.  The pesimists approach is merely
to say, "Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die."  I was dozing off
during the lecture but happened to catch that and it surprised me.  I
never realized this quote was around as much as it is.  

alex Crothers
--------------------------------
> Ok, I know this is a random topic, but imagine my surprise when I came
> across a passage in Tolstoys' "A Confession" which said:
> 	"The second way out is epicureanism....Solomon expresses
> 	this way out thus: 'Then I commended mirth, because a man 
> 	hath no better thing under the sun, than to EAT, AND TO 
> 	DRINK, AND TO BE MERRY: and that this should accompany 
> 	him in his labour the days of his life, which God giveth 
> 	him under the sun.'"
> 
> So, go, Dave, go.  And my parents have the nerve to criticize my taste in
> music...
> 
>   "so eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die"
> 
> Sue			sdeutsch@wlu.edu


Posted By: COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 3:10 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: E, D & B M

"Eat, Drink & Be Merry" is a section title that appears in every
edition of the Washington Post Weekender section that describes
various restaurants and bars around DC...I cut that part out and hung
it on my wall as a tribute to Dave...anyhow...
 
Jamie Cogbill


Posted By: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 4:39 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: Want 12-7-93

Subjectsays it. I have225 hrs ofPhish, 100 hrs Dead,  115 hrs
misc, including 10 or so hours of TR3.


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 5:24 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: Tim Reynolds and Dec. 7 DMB show

>  
> now for some odmbc:
> as far as seeing tim reynolds play with dmb last week, i really
> wish i could have been there.  but as for him joining the band:
> did he play his electric all night, or did he use an acoustice?
> ======================================================================
> rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu


     He played electric all night  --  looking forward to the Dave Matthews
and Tim Reynolds acoustic show Sunday at the Jefferson Theatre on the
Downtown Mall here in Charlottesville.  It starts at 8(?), tickets are $8
(?).


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 5:30 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: DMB Article

This week in one of the UVA student papers there was a one-page interview
with Dave and a little bit with Boyd.  Not exactly the pinnacle of
journalism, but if anyone is interested, maybe I'll type it in.  Anyone
interested?


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 5:41 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: I'm interested in article.

------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu ------------


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 6:17 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: Floodzone 12-8-93

        Here is the setlist for another jamming show tonight at the
Floodzone.
 
Highlights:
********
 
#36- second night in row, a treat
 
Minarets- one word-  WOW!
 
Seek Up- around 12 minutes long, great tune
 
Christmas Song- appropriate for the season
 
Ants Marching- yes it was the encore but lead into by jam with Carter
               and Tim
 
Quick Lay and Goodbye- to quote Dave "This is newish, but i can't call it
                                that anymore, so i will just call it newish"
 
 
Set List
********
 
Song that Jane Likes
Tripping Billies
One Sweet World
Granny
Dancing Nancies
True Reflections
Quick Lay and Goodbye (Newish)
I'll Back you Up
#36
Minarets
Seek Up
Christmas Song
Carter and Tim Jam
Ants Marching
 
 
Tonight we had the pleasure of hearing TR3 again and had the experience
of hearing the incredible Tim Reynolds on guitar.  By the way,
heehere is controversay for the lyrics file...
 
in in Dancing Nancies:
 
""
 "the belle of it all" instead of "the thrill of it all"
 
i know, he uses both and it varies from show to show
 
anyway- we will miss the weekly performances in Charlottesville and
Richmond, but Dave will always rock.
 
wayland


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:27 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: pay 4 and christmas...

i definitely agree that pay 4 is a better song than christmas, but
they never play that one anymore, either.  but if you want a mellowed
out song that blows both of them away, check 3-23-93 or 11-9-93 for
an untitled song that we here at jmu have affectionately dubbed
"heathcliff's haiku warriors."  dave's performance on 11-9-93 seemed
indicative of the fact that he's not terribly confident with the
song, but i think it has some serious potential.
 
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:29 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: people, people...

disclaimer:  you will read this information again if gregg reads
digest 47 before i talk to him again:
 
the name of the song bob was referring to is called people, people
and was co-written by peter griesar.  i personally can't remember
ever having heard the song.  dave really likes the song, but doesn't
want to perform it anymore because he feels it belongs to peter as
much as it belongs to him.  he has, however, mentioned trying to
put it on a future cd.
 
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rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
======================================================================


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:32 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: guitarists of the world unite...

i was wondering if all the guitarists on this net could come together
to help with this tab project.  loading tablature into a computer is
tedious, and i think it would work better if we work together.  so
how about all of you who play guitar and want to help put together
an as accurate as possible tab file, send me your name and address
and i'll put together a mailing list and forward it back to you all.
 
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
======================================================================


Posted By: blakec@wyvern.com
Time/Date: 8:08 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: netters form

Hi. I accidently deleted the net form that someone posted, so if somebody
would forward it to me I'd be very grateful.
ODMBC:  Am I the only one that's going to miss weekly Wednesday shows at the
Floodzone?  It was nice having something to do to break the week in half and
take your mind off of the stresses of school/job/life etc.
Hopefully the band will still play the Floodzone and Trax monthly (Although
I'd go to see them just about anywhere!)


Posted By: PHELPSWIL@URVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 8:16 PM Saturday, December 11, 1993
Subject: treynolds

For those who haven't heard yet or weren't there, Tim Reynolds of tr3
opened up for DMB at remained on stage the whole night.  He definitely
adds a new dimension to the band and his intro to "Ants" was amazing.
I have a hazy, drunken recollection ( I left a christmas party early
to see the show -- that was me in the blazer and red tie near the
soundboard) of me saying Tim Reynolds should quit tr3 play with DMB
full time.  I haven't seen tr3 so who knows.
Very crowdedlast night too, I got the feeling late in the show that
DM was king of saying goodbye to the Floodzone -- like he won't be
back for a while.  Sad if true.  Have a good X-mas.
 
                                -Bill
                                phelpswil@urvax.bitnet
 
"You got purty hair" -HJS
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