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February 612, 1994

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Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 6:48 AM Sunday, February 6, 1994
Subject: ATHENS WEEKEND!

Hello everyone.  I am as you can see from the address usually up at 
Harvard but I'm in warm Atlanta right now.  My friends and I just got 
back from Athens where we saw the two shows.

First of all, it was nice to see the band again, which I hadn't done for 
a few months.  Now on to the details . . . .



    Friday Night's Set List:
  set 1:
Ants Marching
Seek Up -- over twelve minutes long :-)))
Satellite -- Boyd's funky intro!
What Would You Say
Tripping Billies
Lover Lay Down
#36 (a.k.a. Cris Harmony -- did y'all know that?)
One Sweet World

  set 2:
Minarets -- "Tomorrow Never Knows" quote
Typical Situation
The Song That Jane Likes -- a false ending (very cool)
Jimi Thing -- Dave with a guitar solo! (nice octaves, btw)
Granny
Dancing Nancies
Recently -- "Take Me to the River" and "This Bird Has Flown" quotes

  encore:
Warehouse


    Saturday Night's Set List:
  set 1:
One Sweet World
The Song That Jane Likes
Lie In Our Graves
Two Step -- great version
Tripping Billies
Pay For What You Get -- "Should I Stay Or Should I Go" quote
#36 -- different than Friday's version
True Reflections

  set 2:
Ants Marching -- none of that usual annoying intro
Seek Up
Minarets
Typical Situation
Dancing Nancies
What Would You Say
All Along The Watchtower

  encore:
Halloween -- new (I think) end jam which is pretty cool.



Well, that's all folks.  It was my first time in Athens and I'm glad as 
hell that I decided to forget school for the weekend and come down here.


--Ben

-----------------------And that's the truth, Ruth.---------------------------


Posted By: EWHESSE@AMHERST.BITNET
Time/Date: 3:54 PM Sunday, February 6, 1994
Subject: Recent Athens shows

Ben's post of the set lists whet my appetite for some '94 Dave so I thought
I might as well ask if anyone out there happened to tape either of those
Athens, Ga. shows Friday and Saturday. I have a lot to trade if anyone is
in possession of those tapes. May there be more Northeast shows soon!!
Listen to the JimiThing on 6/16/93 II at the FloodZone if you have not done
it in a while...
Eric Hesse
Thank you!


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 4:53 PM Sunday, February 6, 1994
Subject: Did You Say TAPES???

Well people, my best friend who I went to the shows with got digital 
soundboards both nights.  I will not get the tapes from him for a while 
but perhaps we could work something out where y'all would send me blanks 
and I'll make you second gen. analog copies (from the analogs he gives me).

Please don't flood me with mail.  I still have to work this out with 
him.  Okay?


BTW, when the hell are they coming back to the Northeast?????

--Ben
-----------------------And that's the truth, Ruth.---------------------------


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:13 PM Monday, February 7, 1994
Subject: Re: Jamie's view on Everything e:

Actually, the members of Everything are extremely talented, and can jam
extremely hard.  

>Jamie says: 
> Personally I think Everything is pretty "cheesy."  The lead singer
> might be a little entertaining bouncing and flailing around stage, but
> all the songs lack much talent and sound the same.

The lead singer isn't entertaining at all, and the songs don't all sound the
same. Have you only heard them once?


                  ---Kerry

****There ain't no time to stash the gumbo, or rattle around in a cage****


Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:22 PM Monday, February 7, 1994
Subject: True Reflections

Not to sound negative, but I have to agree that the words to True Reflections
are among the worst lyrics in terms of the Cheez-O-Meter that any band has ever
set to music.  It's not just a cheezy DMB song...it's a cheezy song in the
scope of all music.  No offense, Boyd, but they don't leave many levels of
interpretation open to explore:
     When you look into a mirror, do you like what's lookin' at you?
     Now that you've seen your true reflection, what on Earth are you gonna do?
 
Sounds a little like a fortune cookie, eh?  How about:
     Find some inspiration! (sung with the patented Boyd Tinsely look of
                            passion, frustration, and artistic angst on his
                            face)
     It's down deep inside you! (*smirk* I feel SO much better ;)
 
Yeah, yeah, amend my situation and my whole life is ahead of me...DUMB!  I
wrote poetry like this in second grade.  Amid Dave's fantastic lyrics True
Reflections is always a let down for me.
 
Now, I know this won't be too welcomed by most of you, but I'm gonna say it
anyway.  I don't think that Boyd is the god that everyone (shows and here on
the net) makes him out to be.  He's a good player and he's what you first
notice about the band, but his solos can get REAL repetitive (I mean the ones
that are so "jamming" and "intense")  Often they are one or two notes played
really fast followed by a descending scale really fast and then an ascending
scale really fast etc... Personally, I like Boyd in Minarets and the more
exploratory pieces.  Or how about 11/2/92 if anyone has that.  The Warehouse
is phenomenal.  Boyd and LeRoi (who I think is far underrated) split it wide
open and jam for a looooong time.  I like to refer to Boyd's somewhat
self-indulgent crowd-pleaser solos as "losing his hat" as anyone who has seen
him do one will understand.
 
Don't get me wrong.  DMB wouldn't be DMB without Boyd, but for some reason (and
I think a bad reason), he often overshadows LeRoi and Stephan who are
outstanding players.  Watch and focus on the bass next time you're at a show.
It'll suprise you.
 
LOVE!   BABY!  (I don't know why I don't know why I'm singing)   LOVE!   BABY!
If you watch Boyd on this part of Granny, he looks like he's really into the
"Love, baby" singing as the punch of the song.  Boyd just has a more poppy
direction in music (i.e. A big cheer from the crowd is often better than a long
exploratory jam) which is fine.  I'm just glad that Roi is there to explore.
And anyone who doesn't think that Granny is a big joke on pop music should pay
more attention to that Davetalk in the lyrics.
 
That's all for now.  Sorry 'bout the length, but the digests have been so empty
I thought I'd try and get them all full of flames ;)  Donning my asbestos
suit...
 
************ What would you do if I ate your Daddy's shoes? ******************
*    Gregg Carrier  (aka Uncle Zany, the guy in the floppy green hat)        *
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*********** What would you say if it was naturally for you? ******************


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 8:34 PM Monday, February 7, 1994
Subject: Re: True Reflections

On Mon, 7 Feb 1994, I am bouncing around the room... wrote:

> Now, I know this won't be too welcomed by most of you, but I'm gonna say it
> anyway.  I don't think that Boyd is the god that everyone (shows and here on
> the net) makes him out to be.  He's a good player and he's what you first
		[more stuff zapped]

I SECOND IT!!!!  Sorry y'all, but Boyd really isn't all that great.  The 
few times I've met him he's been just the nicest guy so I hate saying it 
but what he does is USE STAGE PRESENCE.  Please, after you've had a few 
beers, anyone who gets up on stage and moves around like he does is bound 
to get lots of cheers and "Boyd, you the man," which is what some idiot 
was screaming into my ear all Saturday night (he at least apologized for 
falling on me).

> Don't get me wrong.  DMB wouldn't be DMB without Boyd, but for some reason
> (and I think a bad reason), he often overshadows LeRoi and Stephan who are
> outstanding players.  Watch and focus on the bass next time you're at a show.
> It'll suprise you.

Of course the band would be fundamentally different.  But LeRoi is 
phenomenal-- it seems to me he's getting muich better and that he's been 
getting more playing time lately.  Stephan also rocks.  But they just 
stand there, which must be a personality thing.  So if you're not always 
tuned into the MUSIC, you think they aren't that great.  But you'd be wrong.

>  
> exploratory jam) which is fine.  I'm just glad that Roi is there to explore.

Me too.

>  
> That's all for now.  Sorry 'bout the length, but the digests have been so empty
> I thought I'd try and get them all full of flames ;)  Donning my asbestos
> suit...

Have a spare Gregg?

>  
> ************ What would you do if I ate your Daddy's shoes? ******************
> *    Gregg Carrier  (aka Uncle Zany, the guy in the floppy green hat)        *
> *    JMU Box 1734            stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu                   *
> *    Harrisonburg, VA  22807          (703) JMU-KIND                         *
> *********** What would you say if it was naturally for you? ******************
> 


-----------------------And that's the truth, Ruth.---------------------------


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:48 AM Tuesday, February 8, 1994
Subject: Allgood (&DMB)

picked this up off Horde.Net. thought it might be interesting.
alex crothers
------------------------------------

For anyone interested, Allgood will be putting out a live EP around May, and
hopefully a new studio album sometime soon after that.  Talking with Charlie 
and Clay, they feel that the studio stuff doesn't really do their sound 
justice, thus the live EP.  Oh yeah, and they said "Trilogy" would be on
there, with a guest appearance on the violin by Boyd Tinsley(?) of the Dave 
Matthews Band.


Posted By: COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:00 PM Tuesday, February 8, 1994
Subject: Boyd

I'll have to seriously disagree with anyone who happens to say that
Boyd detracts from the DMB.  I've often thought that DMB wouldn't have
close the following to what it does have now if it weren't for the
spirit and intensity of Boyd Tinsley.  Boyd is usually the first thing
that people notice about DMB and many people who I've encountered are
just not fans of the music until they actually see a show...I think
this can be attributed to Boyd's intensity which comes across even
more in person. In many versions of Seek Up it is the fiddle which
provides the entire powerful mood of the song.  Anyhow, that's my two
cents.  Let's hear the other Boyd supporters out there in minarets
land speak up!
 
Jamie Cogbilllspeak ups'own
cowerfupwermooti The fiddle on .a rtt'ae aht G


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 2:40 PM Tuesday, February 8, 1994
Subject:

here's the words to what would you say, as well as the tab for the
main riff of #34 and the intro to one sweet world.
 
 
 
What Would You Say (March 27, 93)
 
up and down the puppy's hair
fleas and ticks jump everywhere 'cause of original sin
down the hill fell jack and jill
and you can tumbling after 'cause of original sin
 
rip away the tears
and drink a whole to happy years
and you may find
a lifetime's passed you by
 
what would you say; don't drop the big one
if you were a monkey on a string; don't cut my lifeline
if you were a doggy on a chain; don't bite the mailman
what would you say?
 
i was there when the bear ate his hand
and thought it was candy, everyone goes in the end
knock knock on the door who's it for
there's nobody in here, look in the mirror my freind
 
i don't understand the cause
and cannot speak for all of us
(morning lies the) lifetime's passed me by
 
what would you say; don't drop the big one
if you were a monkey on a string; don't cut my lifeline
if you were a doggy on a chain; don't bite the mailman
what would you say?
 
every dog has it's day,
every day has it's way of being forgotton
mom it's my birthday (would you say)
what would you say
what would you say
hey what could you say
what would you say
 
(      falling on my face if i'm lucky
lately trying to take it home
hey lee, falling on my face if i'm lucky
yes     tangled 'round my feet
lovely leave it for me heavy would you
maybe  i better take it home
                                    )
 
 
tablature:
 
 
#34 (main riff)
 
-
-
-                11                7  6
-       9     9        6        7             7
-    7     7        9        5           9       5 /7  7  9\
- 5
 
 
 
1 suite whirrled  (intro)
 
-
-     4        6             4
-        3        3    0        0^1^0        3  0
-                                         3              3        3
-  6        5       5     3            1              3     3
-                                                  4           5     5
 
 
-
-
-                    4 5      3
-        5        7              3 0       3 0        3
-     5     5                           3          3     6       6  8
-  8           7           6         1          4           6  8


Posted By: @mail.trincoll.edu:sean.berry@mail.trincoll.edu
Time/Date: 4:09 PM Tuesday, February 8, 1994
Subject: Mystery, Dave Solo Tape

I recently received a tape from a friend that is a mystery to me. On side A
is a recording of Dave solo in what sounds like a studio, but I am not
sure. On side B is a recording of part of the 1992-93 New Years show. The
set list is as follows: A: Best of What's Around, Recently, Cry Freedom,
Cry, Tripping Billies, The Song that Jane, I'll Back Up, What Would You
Say, Satellite-(After Her), Lover Lay Down, One Sweet World, Typical Sit. 
SideB-True Reflections, Ants, Two Step, Jimi Thing.  The strange thing
about the acoustic side(A), is that you hear a background singer on Best of
What's Around but that is it, I assume it is not Tim Reynolds, because
there is no other guitar. The Satellite-After her is strange because I have
never heard it before, it has totally different lyrics, (with the more
common ones thrown in at times) and is faster. It is a great tape can
anyone identify it? I would love to trade it I asssume it is a rare tape.


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Time/Date: 9:12 PM Tuesday, February 8, 1994
Subject: boy o boyd...

i never really saw anything that said that boyd detracts from the
band, more that he just overshadows leroi and stefan.  and as for
saying "listen to seek up,"  that's what gregg was trying to say.
listen to seek up, minarets, and (the now defunct) blue water, and
you'll get a true meaning of what dmb is all about and how they
relate to the growing trend of musicians who are playing music for
the sake of playing music (eg: the comparisons to phish and widespread
panic)  every blue water i've ever heard has had a tremendously
different interpretation by boyd (though none can top 11-17-92),
but go and listen to _any_ ants marching, tripping billies, or
other songs where boyd is dancing around on stage with the big
cheez grin on his face, and try to find any difference.  i'd even
point out that _nobody_ goes exploring on these songs, but it's
boyd who really stands out as not exploring.  as the rest of the
band sits back and plays a ditto of the version from the night
before, they always look to boyd.
 
hey, let's start a thread:  a top five in the spirit of phish.net:
 
name the five songs which you think give the entire band the most
room to explore their creative diversity.  (and don't include halloween,
unless you really think they can all pull together and make it a
five person jam).
 
my own is pretty logical:
1. jimi thing-->
2. seek up
3. #34
4. minarets
5. blue water
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Posted By: @BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU:ST002314@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Time/Date: 10:08 PM Tuesday, February 8, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 83

hrmm.  hope boyd doesn't read the net.  i don't want to criticize anyone. ..
but. . .have you ever really listened to baboon farm at the end of blue water?
wow.  true, boyd does lots of repetitive jams, but that one can not be called
anything but intense.  dave


Posted By: COGBILLJ@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Time/Date: 12:35 AM Wednesday, February 9, 1994
Subject: Top 5

1.  Spotlight
2.  Seek Up
3.  Jimi Thing
4.  Lover Lay Down
5.  Minarets

My preference order often changes, but these are definitely my 
favorites.

Jamie Cogbill


Posted By: SAPIRE@carleton.edu
Time/Date: 12:37 AM Wednesday, February 9, 1994
Subject: Jam: my 5

in response to ricks thread idea,
i'd go with something similar:
1.  Jimi Thing-->
2.  Seek Up
3.  Recently
4.  #34
5.  #36
6.  (cause they have more than 5) Blue Water, What Would You Say, People
People

but the 1st 5 are my top 5 choices

and my opinion about Boyd:
yeah sure, we all recognize that he's repeatitive
especially on tape,
and as someone said he really can sing on seek up, blue water, etc...
but we're not All musicians, and we don't all like to explore
songs in our own minds as they do in theirs, if ya'll get my meaning...
and so the flare and up-beat stuff he does, can be like a breath of 
fresh air.  float up stream on minarets and jimithing, and get down
and funk out on Recently, What Would You Say, and Dancing Nancies.

i've a really great true reflections by the way, back when Pete was
in the band that really grooves.  Not to start up again on that, but 
whatever...

whatever...
whatever...                                  (i meant float down stream)

hey, relax

(or where ever your mind tends to float...   :*}   )
Ed


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:16 AM Wednesday, February 9, 1994
Subject: Ticket Number

1-800-594-TIXX may well get you tickets to some DMBshows, but I'm
not sure that'll work for all of them. The faxes I just sent out
to 25 publications statewide gave that number for any TRAX shows
(eg Cowboy Junkies on 3/4, Uncle Tupelo 2/17, ARU 3/2, and DMB
2/22). 

     Ellis "of Lemuria" Godard   jeg5s@virginia.edu
       P.O. Box 3240, Charlottesville, VA, 22903
  Graduate Program in Sociology, University of Virginia
FAQ File Administrator for rec.music.phish & phish-digest
     Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 10:57 AM Wednesday, February 9, 1994
Subject: top five

okay...
 1) lover lay down (11/17/93... great intro, 10 minute song)
 2) two step
 3) minarets (esp.12/2/93)
 4) spotlight
 5) dancing nancy

 this took a lot of hard thinking.  even though 'lover' doesn't have much 
action for boyd other than singing, i can't forget this song.  it's got the 
best mood.  two step because whenever i want to sing or jump around, this is 
a great song to do it to.  minarets is best on the above version(my personal 
opinion).  the whole band loses control like you'd never imagine.  i can't 
capture the intensity of this song with words.  spotlight, i've only heard 
live over the summer at flood zone.  but i remember the first time they 
played it (*twice the same night).  i was awestruck and i haven't heard it 
since summer, but i can remember being blown away and singing 'big city, black 
city rising up around me...' (or something like that) for about a week there
after. i just like dancing nancy.  the band usually goes nuts on this one just
like on minarets.  i like the 'turn turn we almost become dizzy' part.

my two cents...
-clare emily


'contrariwise,' continued tweedledee,' if it was so, it might be;
and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.
that's logic.'


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 12:21 PM Wednesday, February 9, 1994
Subject: top 5 songs

in no particular order (except #34 which I'm hoping to hear on Thursday in
the wake of Dave's sister's death)

1. #34 (if everybody would just SHUT UP when they played it...)
   Seek Up (don't you just LOVE it when they strech this one into the
            12-14 minute range?)
   Minarets (our namesake and a rocking tune taboot)
   Blue Water (boyd plays nothing prettier than this on that magic fiddle
               of his)
   So much to Say (thought it was funny to here Dave say "little feet
                   little hands, little BABY!)
   Jimi Thing (that's 6 but this is my favorite song for them to jam
               out...the Darkstar of Dave jams, the jam at the end goes to so
               many varied places that I'm never grown tired of it.)


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 5:10 PM Wednesday, February 9, 1994
Subject: New Dates.

I have a few new March dates that are confirmed.

March:
Mon 7th: Benchwarmers Lawrence Kansas
Tues 8th: Fox Theatre Coulder CO
	Tickets are already on sale and i was told they are going quickly
Sat 12th: Beaver Run Resort Breckenridge CO

the Breckenridge show will be the only ski resort appearance while they 
are out west this time.

more dates are coming soon to fill in some of those gaps but those were 
the only confirmed dates.

alex Crothers


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 10:09 PM Wednesday, February 9, 1994
Subject: Re: Warehouse 11-2-92

I must agree with Gregg, Warehouse 11-2-92 is probably THE BEST jam I've ever
heard them play.  

Also, does anybody have a HIGH QUality copy of 11-2-93 (not 92)?



                  ---Kerry

    ****Shut up, I'm thinking--I had a clue, now it's gone forever.****
                     
                      Look who's in the freezer!


Posted By: BH7N@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA
Time/Date: 12:08 AM Thursday, February 10, 1994
Subject: Remember 2 things

After X-mas song on my Remember 2 things CD there's about
2 minutes worth of stuff like a snippet from some really nice
sounding jam (seek up?) and some thunderstorm noises, etc.
 
Do all the CD's have this? Does anyone know why they're there?
 
Marco esKWONdolas


Posted By: SAPIRE@carleton.edu
Time/Date: 1:04 PM Thursday, February 10, 1994
Subject: seek up, rain storm

no doubt
the jam at the end is seek up
(i wish they had put it in the main of the song)
i think they put that stuff on there
so they could sell it as a full 60 minute disc
'cause it is just barley over an hour
oh well so it goes
so the story goes...
ed


Posted By: COGBILLJ@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Time/Date: 6:08 PM Thursday, February 10, 1994
Subject: seek up jam n' storm

I would imagine the jam was cut out in order to make the song more 
marketable to the radio...although I've never heard Seek Up on the 
radio.  I'm still interested to know whose heard what on the radio and 
where.  I also still want to know about Peter Greiser.  Anyone?  
Anyone?

Jamie Cogbill


Posted By: bdietz@acs.bu.edu
Time/Date: 10:43 AM Friday, February 11, 1994
Subject: Get DMB up north!

When is DMB going to come up north again?  They have only been up 
here once... please someone convey the message to get them up here!
I know that I have already gotten them alot of fans here is Boston.

--Brian


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 11:23 AM Friday, February 11, 1994
Subject: Re: Get DMB up north!

On Fri, 11 Feb 1994, Victor Dietz wrote:

> When is DMB going to come up north again?  They have only been up 
> here once... please someone convey the message to get them up here!
> I know that I have already gotten them alot of fans here is Boston.
> 
> --Brian
> 

And I've taken care of Cambridge. 

I know Alex is doing his best, but maybe we shoudl write (snail-mail) 
letters.

Anyone up for it?


--BEN


Posted By: pip@wam.umd.edu
Time/Date: 8:28 PM Friday, February 11, 1994
Subject: subscribe

I was talking with Dave's producer, John Alagia, and they are currently
working on a new album, a promotional album and a soundtrack for a s. african
film.Bayou show next Saturday in Georgetown


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 3:17 AM Saturday, February 12, 1994
Subject: Re: Get DMB up North..amd West!!!!

Me and Bob Gee (sounds kinda cool) got Chicago covered.


Please Please Please Reschedule!!!

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