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Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 6:30 PM Sunday, April 24, 1994
Subject: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu

Can someone please post the setlist.  I can't fuckin' believe
they played Watchtower; I wanted that so badly at Lexington.

:)


Posted By: nebuious@aol.com
Time/Date: 7:19 PM Sunday, April 24, 1994
Subject: Tubbs/Carter Drum Duel

So what was the Phish/DMB Drum Extravaganza like??  Did Carter blow Fishman
out of the water?

In my estimation as a musician (a guitarist who loves playing drums for sheer
mindless entertainment), Carter is not only a MUCH better drummer than John
Fishman, but is in a band that fits more to the style of a more show-offy
type of drummer.

What was the premise of it?  Did they just jam together (a weird thing for
drummers to do, but cool if it works out)?

Inquiring minds wish to know.

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
* "I can stand brute force, but brute reason   *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*  is quite unbearable.  It is hitting below   * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*  the intellect."         -Oscar Wilde        *  --   New York, NY  --  *
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Posted By: nebuious@aol.com
Time/Date: 7:19 PM Sunday, April 24, 1994
Subject: Typical Setlists In These Typical Times

Is it just me (and it may be since my DMB collection now stands at 6 tapes.
Thanks Ben!), or are DMB setlists very similar?  I have noticed that there
are sets that usually consist of these songs:
Nancies, Graves, Sweet World, Granny, True Reflections, Seek up, Satellite,
and Typical Situation.  
I know that's a lot of songs, but they seem to ALWAYS be played together. 
How many songs DO DMB have? The lyrics file says 28 or something around
there, but that doesn't mean every song is written out.

Anyway, just an observation.

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
* "I can stand brute force, but brute reason   *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*  is quite unbearable.  It is hitting below   * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*  the intellect."         -Oscar Wilde        *  --   New York, NY  --  *
**************************************************************************


Posted By: misser@sas.upenn.edu
Time/Date: 11:21 PM Sunday, April 24, 1994
Subject: help with mystery venue please

I have a tape from 3/23/93 that lists no venue.  I would appreciate if
anyone there that knows where this came from would tell me.  Thanks in advance

-- Marc 
			  "Mean People Suck"

PS-not to be rude ort anything but I am very busy with finals now, so
please no grovels.


Posted By: @mail.trincoll.edu:ashley.evans@mail.trincoll.edu
Time/Date: 12:07 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Summer Address/phone # file

I believe all of us college students will be losing e-mail access fairly
soon so I figured that maybe we should have a file of summer addresses or
phone #'s so that all of us who want to trade can do so more easily. I know
the netters file is very comprehensive, in terms of addresses, but summer
addresses/#'s often change. So here is proposition, for those of you
interested, you can e mail me w/ your summer address and and or phone
number (include a tape list too, if you wish.) and I will put them all into
a file, which I will post to the net in roughly, a week's time. So if you
are interested e-mail me with your info at:

                        sean.berry@mail.trincoll.edu

Later,
Sean Berry

P.S. Thank you Eric for these tapes are incredible, I love Doug Wannamaker
on FZ-3.17.93. What is he doing since Indecision broke up?


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 2:07 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: 3-7-94 setlist

Sorry to send this to everyone, but someone asked for it a while back and I
lost his address, so here it is:
I
One Sweet World, Tripping Billies, Satellite, Lie in Our Graves, What Would
You Say, Dancing Nancies, True Reflections

II
Minarets-->Typical Situation, Help Myself, Warehouse, Angel From Montgomery,
36, Recently

Encore: Ants Marching

there it is. by the way, I don't have a habit of keeping old setlists, I just
had this one lying around with some others that Michael McDonald gave me in
Chicago. 

Bob


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 2:37 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: dave and phish

Not sure why I haven't seen much concerning these epic shows -- but probably
everyone is still filtering home (Alex, Kerry, JMU people, myself, etc.)

Well, both nites were amazing as setlists and reviews on Phish.net indicate.
Dave jumping on Trey's trampoline during You Enjoy Myself and getting the
whole routine perfectly in sinc with Mike was so much fun to watch. And then
the jam into Somewhere Over the Rainbow. According to Jeff that was totally
unrehearsed. LeRoi just belted that out in a quiet moment and everyone else
went with it. Boyd seemd to be having a little trouble fitting in with
everyone else that nite, but looked and sounded much more comfortable the next
nite. Which brings me to perhaps the best encore at any show by anyone ever.
The Winston-Salem encore was definitely the musical highlite of my life. And
listneing to it on tape doesn't even capture the energy and excitement that
was going on on that stage and in the crowd. Everyone was SO into this encore.
I thought it was so classy for Phish to let DMB basically lead their encore.
After a five minute intense Drums jam (not intense like Panic, but still not
bad) and a five minute jam, Dave sneaked in the opening notes to Watchtower as
he always plays it. Everything went about as it normally does (with Phish
adding subtle intrumentals) until he got to the quiet part whre LeRoi nornally
solos. Well, it was Trey with an electrifying solo, then Boyd brought the
house down (and lost his glasses) with a ripping solo, then LeRoi brought it
down with a mellow shorter solo. Than Dave finished the tune as usual, but
apparantly the bands had not rehearsed a finish to the tune, and Fishman kept
drumming after the First "No Reason to Get Excited." In all, Dave repeated
that Four times and finally ended it by raising his guitar above his head and
 well, that seemed to make the perfect finish to perhaps THE best Watchtower
ever (I know I'm including a lot of musicians here) In all the encore lasted
21 minutes.

The only downer of the two shows was Dave choice of setlists the two nites. I
was EXTREMELY disapointed (as were many Phish fans) that Dave chose to repeat
four songs from Lexington at Winston-Salem. The four they repeated were:
Tripping, Rhyme and Reason, Two Step, Ants. In Lex they played Seek Up and
Best in addition, and in W-S I can't think of the other two off hand. I'm sure
someone can post complete and accurate setlists. I just can't understand the
logic behind the decision to go with such a similar setlist when DMB had to
have known that there would be many of the same folks at both shows. Dave
certainly has 12 good tunes and some that are much better (IMO) than the ones
he chose. Incidentally the only song Phish repeated from one nite to the other
was Big Ball Jam which doesn't even really count. Dave definitely gained the
respect of many Phish fans with what he and the rest of the band did on stage
with Phish, but I thought his sets lacked the kind of musical creativity and
inspiration that Phish displays every nite.

sorry for the long post, but i'm sure that many folks were curious about these
shows. (good to see netters Kerry and Rick -- anyone else in that group on the
net? and fun getting kicked off the Wake campus twice)

Bob


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 2:54 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: denison university 4-22-94

Caught this show on the way back from the DMB/Phish shows. Well, it was a bit
disappointing. They only got to play for about 1hr 20 mins. The bus broke down
in West Virginia (that's the new bus) and they were stuck in WVa. for 5 hours.
Thus, they arrived at the gig at 11 p.m. It was at the student union and
curfew is midnite. Well, they pushed it back to 12:30, but stil only enough
for one set and no encore. The crowd was also very annoying. They were a
drunken pretnetious boarding school type of crowd (just to generalize a little
:)  ) and only knew Remember Two Things shit. (Sorry don't have a complete
setlist but it went something like this):

One Sweet
Tripping
Lie In Our Graves
Warehouse
Dancing Nancies
Satellite
Angel
Rhyme and Reason
Two Step
Ants

I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any, but it may be a bit jumbled it the middle.
Anyway great Angel and good to see Warehouse and Nancies (why couldn't they
have played those the nite before?)
The crowd was fairly non-responsive during non-R2T tunes when me and two
friends were dancing the hardest, and then they wnet crazy when the recognized
Satellite and Ants (two songs which are beginning to annoy me -- maybe I
should take a DMB break for a while)

Bob


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 7:36 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Carter/Fishman

just to add some fuel to the beginnings of a discussion: i think carter is a 
stunningly good drummer but imo, fishman is better.  and, to disagree more, 
i think phish's music is much more diverse and showcases fishman's very 
unique abilities just as well as (if not better than) dmb showcases carter's 
incredible skill.  dave (or the band, who can tell with them) has come up 
with some really cool rhythms, but phish's music is damned complex.  some of 
the things fishman does with odd meters and such would be almost impossible 
for most drummers to do.  musicians have a difficult enough time playing in 
odd meters (7/8, 13/12, 15/16, etc.) and the way phish makes transitions 
between them (take yem for example) is stunning.  shit, this is turning into 
a dave v. phish post but getting back to the original topic of fishman and 
carter, i think they are the best two drummers i've ever seen live.  my 
brother said that at a show recently he was able to stand behind carter for 
most of the show and watch his drumming.  he commented that carter seems to 
be almost completely ambidextrous -- plays his high hat with either hand just 
as well, stuff like that.  you also have to take into account the huge 
difference in style between them.  carter tends to be a bit flashier and a 
bit more rock oriented while fishman leans towards jazz more (he doesn't hit 
his drums as hard for one thing).  

in their own worlds, though, i'd never replace either.  just listen to a 
carter drum solo and you'll realize how great he is.  then listen to the 
drumming in you enjoy myself and you'll understand the genius of fishman, 
too.

sorry this is so long but i'm trying to make minaretsnet just a little more 
lively -- it's been rather quiet here lately, it seems.  and strangely quiet
with all of the cool stuff that has been happening lately (how about a nice
long review of the lexington show for those of us unlucky enough not be 
there?!)

and a quick quote that i saw once that was funny.  from memory so probably not
accurate (okay, definitely not accurate):

"king crimson was the only band i ever played with who could play in 15/16 time
and still afford to stay in nice hotels."    -- bill bruford


eat, drink, and be a bit more chatty...

reid

-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


Posted By: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:51 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Typical Setlists

For 3 years I've found zVthem pretty similar. Like any band, they
need repitition in early years to work things out. Th<is is a
young band. But, seeing many in a row might get dull for some.

     Ellis "of Lemuria" Godard   jeg5s@virginia.edu
       P.O. Box 3240, Charlottesville, VA, 22903
  Graduate Program in Sociology, University of Virginia
FAQ File Administrator for rec.music.phish & phish-digest
     Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: HAUSERBT@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Time/Date: 10:30 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Song ID

Can someone please ID a song title for me?  On the Bayou tape that was 
treed (6/26/93) after the Halloween encore there is some filler.  There
are two songs, the second is Pay for what you get, but I don't know the 
first one.  I forget some of the words too so I'm sorry I can't be more 
specific...thanks

Brian Hauser


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:12 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Re: Carter vs Fishman

Somebody (I can't remember who) said
> So what was the Phish/DMB Drum Extravaganza like??  Did Carter blow Fishman
> out of the water?
> 
> In my estimation as a musician (a guitarist who loves playing drums for
sheer
> mindless entertainment), Carter is not only a MUCH better drummer than John
> Fishman, but is in a band that fits more to the style of a more show-offy
> type of drummer.
> 
> What was the premise of it?  Did they just jam together (a weird thing for
> drummers to do, but cool if it works out)?
> 

No, Carter did not blow Fishman out of the water.  And no, I wouldn't even
say that Carter is the better drummer. Carter could NEVER do what Fishman
does, and Fishman could NEVER do what Carter does.

 --Kerry            
        **My time coming anyday, but I'm not worried about it, no**
                      ***Look who's in the freezer***


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:16 AM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB at Win-Sal

This show pissed me off.  I love DMBs music, but I can't respect a band that
has 30 great songs, but plays virtually the same exact 6 song set 2 nights in
a row.   Does anybody else that was at both Lex and Win-Sal feel this way?
 Rhyme and Reason was very good though.

 --Kerry            
        **My time coming anyday, but I'm not worried about it, no**
                      ***Look who's in the freezer***


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:35 PM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Phish/DMB shows...

thought i'd throw in my two bits on this subject since it seems to 
be bouncing around alot...

since both shops were already reviewed pretty extensively, i'll just add 
that i was disapointed too.  i caught a couple of the northeast shows 
directly before the phish gigs in the south and heard two step>ants...i 
thought it was sick...but not after hearing it four nights....you can 
only listen to one tune so much before it just dull...

...the show had me smilin most of the time however,....to tell you the 
truth i was afraid these two bands were going to get together and not do 
shit...Dmb was going to open for phish and that would be the end of 
it...or more likely Boyd or Dave would come out to play a song.

....so in that sense i was completely satisfied that both bands jammed 
out entirely...Carter and Jon are the shit...two of my favorite drummers 
on the scene right now..i was happy to see them together...who cares 
which one is better?...they both rock.

the bottom line: DMB needs more material. or they need to play more of 
their old material.  if this band starting playing varied setlists every 
night there's no stopping them and no telling how far they would go....
with the new album should come new material.

alex


Posted By: djb@iia.org
Time/Date: 12:55 PM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Tape Request

I don't normally grovel for tapes, but I really want a copy of
Thursday's Phish/DMB show in Winston.  Preferably the whole
show...especially the phish/dave encore.  I don't have a huge amount
of DEMB or Phish to trade (I have 4 DMB masters and 1 phish master
(last year in WS) but I do have about 100 hrs HQ dead and 75 hrs HQ
assorted others (nothing non-dead is over 2nd gen, nothing dead over
10th gen, usually exceptional quality or very rare).
-- 
Daniel Blanchat   | Never limit yourself to what  | "Just walk away"
djb@mary.iia.org  | others think you should do... | Dave Matthews Band


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:02 PM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Dave's Sets

To add to the agony of repetitive set lists, Van Riper's consisted of 
much of the same. Opening with One Sweet World, dedicated to his nephews, 
Dave played a fairly normal show. The usual Two Step->Ants, Best, Rhyme 
or Reason, Recently. The highlight of the day was a inspired Quick Lay 
with Boyd doin' some BEAUTIFUL soloing. Dave got really into it, and you 
could see his veins poppin' out of his head, like the good old days. 
Sported a Phish shirt during the Seek Up encore. Dave has a huge 
songlist, and should be able to be very varied. I saw him every week this 
summer at FZ and was never bored by a show, I've seen him 4 times in the 
last month (Brown's Island, Matoaka, Lex, Van Riper's) and have found my 
self dancing to the same versions of the same songs....what happened to 
the wailing Tripping Billies intro, songs like So Much To Say, Cry 
Freedom, Spotlight, and the beautiful perfection of Lover Lay Down? 
Where's Boyd's Wah pedal???? 
	It seems that the band tries a bunch of different shit on a song 
till they get it the way they like, and then they leave it. I much more 
enjoyed watching the band try new things to cover for Peter's absence and 
things like the formation and progression of Quick Lay than the 30 sec 
snare tap that reminds me of a certain disc...
	Anyway, enuf of my bitchin', I mean not to offend, just throwin 
in my 2 cents worth...hopefully spontenaity will return....
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Posted By: mnewton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:23 PM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 156

 Since no one else seems to be saying much about Lexington, let me add my 
two cents.  First, the deal with Phish just goes to show how much farther 
DMB has to go.  DMB played for about 40 minutes to under 1,000 interested 
fans.  This is at a show in Virginia, where Dave would almost certainly 
bring the biggest support.  So many have voiced their disappointment to 
me about the length of the set (if you can call it a set).  However, this 
is what happens when you are an Opening Act.  Anyone who payed $17 just 
to see DMB didn't know the billing of the show.  I too was skeptical that 
Phish would be such a big attraction, that is until another 5,000 people 
came in for Phish's show.  The last digest included an argument about 
Carter and Fishman.  Maybe what was said about Carter jamming is true, 
but carter also doesn't leave his drum set and play the vaccuum or 
harmonica or whatever.  As far as style, only Leroi and Boyd seemed to 
really fit well with Phish for the end jam.  Dave certainly looked out of 
place.  As far as Carter fitting into a more show-off style, maybe yes, 
being a better drummer is hard to argue.  Fishman fits extremely well 
into the eclectic jam style of Phish.  So to end this, i just want to 
remind anyone that complained about the show, Phish is hugely successful 
and selling out 5-6,000 seats consistently is not beyond them.  For DMB, 
5,000 seats is still a ways off.  Let's not forget that Phish has been at 
it almost 3x's as long as DMB!!  Dave will get what's coming to them, 
just don't expect it right away.  As far as the show went, WOW!!  great 
mix of old and new Phish, the Somewhere Over... was great and the encore 
just made the mood so much more incredible.  Couldn't ask for a better 
opening of what will surely be a site for future concerts

so how about some rsponses to this show and the Winston show.

matt.


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 6:18 PM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Quick Lay and Goodbye...

there have been a few setlists with the song, "Quick Lay and Goodbye" on 
them 
the name of this song is actually "Say Goodbye."

alex


Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:53 PM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Say Goodbye

  Alex just posted the answer to the most burning question in my life.  Is it
Quick Lay & Goodbye or Just for Tonight or what?!?!  Now that we know . . HOW
DO WE KNOW?  No show I've heard with the song ever has Dave announcing the
name.  Usually he says "this is something new-ish" or to that extent.  Where
and when does he say the name?

Teeming with curiousity

Dan


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 9:25 PM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: New Orleans

I am leaving from the Town Point Park show to go to the jazz fest.  I 
hear dave will be down there.  If anyone knows where he is playing could 
you please mail me. Thanks
Gray

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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 9:30 PM Monday, April 25, 1994
Subject: Re: Say Goodbye

On Mon, 25 Apr 1994, Dan Entin wrote:
>   Alex just posted the answer to the most burning question in my life.  Is it
> Quick Lay & Goodbye or Just for Tonight or what?!?!  Now that we know . . HOW
> DO WE KNOW?  No show I've heard with the song ever has Dave announcing the
> name.  Usually he says "this is something new-ish" or to that extent.  Where
> and when does he say the name?
> Teeming with curiousity
> Dan 

i've never heard dave call it this either but apparently that's what it's 
copyrighted as....
            .....to tell you the truth, i like 'Quick Lay & Goodbye" better

alex crothers


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 11:58 AM Tuesday, April 26, 1994
Subject: DMB Norfolk VA 4/26/94

For anyone that didn't already know, the show tonight in Norfolk is FREE. 
Boy O Boy is opening up.  The weather is supposed to be great.  There's
beer and food all over the place.  The Elizabeth river is behind the
stage, and big boats go by while bands play.  It's really a cool place for
a show.  Hope to see you there...

Did I mention that it was FREE???  Get your Williamsburg, Richmond,
C-ville booties down here.  It's only 40 minutes, 1 1/2 hours, 2 1/2 hours
respectivly...seriously..come down.  The show starts at 6...

Last time Dave played there, he played a little bar after the show called
Lewis's.  I got to see 5 sets of DMB that day.  Insane...

peace, be safe.
Blake


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 12:30 PM Tuesday, April 26, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB Norfolk VA 4/26/94

oh yeah...If anyone needs directions, I'm doing this lab all day, so I
should be right around this terminal.

I may have forgotten to tell you this, but the show is FREE.

Blake


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:41 PM Tuesday, April 26, 1994
Subject: quick review and goodbye

here's a few cents about the latest goings on around here.  i was
at both lexington and winston-salem, and found both shows to be
extremely intense.  i walked into both shows not expecting much out
of dave, and got 'not much.'  i did really like the new rhyme or reason,
but the rest of the set seemed so stock, and so utterly predictable.
but then he came out for the encore at lex, and, i'd agree, seemed 
terribly out of place.  but even though his guitar seemed utterly
inaudibly, his stage presence was still there.  he definitly only had
but so much time to learn the tramp routine, but still performed it
flawlessly, and then when all of dmb came out, everything seemed to
mesh amazingly well.  i never even realized that carter and fishman
had switched until i heard the vacuum(but i will admit that i could
here a decided difference once i was aware--but it was not better or
worse, just different).  
then at winston-salem, i knew so well that dave was not going to be
that much different that i decided not to make a solid effort to get
in in time to see him, and must say that for me, a person who has
seen every dmb song a dozen times and would rather see phish for now,
that this was a prudent decision.  but then, after living the religious
experience of the encore, i realized that dave has made his initial
impression on me(and impressed i was), and right now needs to concentrate
on making his fan base bigger.  at this point, i can accept that the
way dave wants to make his career right now is to play familiar tunes,
so that when i say "wait 'til you hear this rocking tune called two
step" i can count on him to play it and impress my freind, even if
i'm getting a bit bored.  i wonder if anyone knows what phish was
up to in 1986.  i've heard tapes, and i'd have to say that i doubt i'll
ever make them a part of my permanent collection.  at any rate, winston
salem was indeed sic, and i can't wait to get my grubby little paws on
tapes of both shows...

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: bjammin@aol.com
Time/Date: 8:26 PM Tuesday, April 26, 1994
Subject: Summer minarets net

quick question: what's going to happen to the net during the summer.  I
noticed that the address is at university of Vermont so then this is a
student, yes.  well
oh yeah can someone tell me again how to digestify minarets.  thanks.  This
computer stuff doesn't always come easy to all of us.
Any Dave heads live in New York in the Westchester area.  just thought i'd
ask.  I do and im always looking for new friends.
 Peas and other green stuff
       Benny


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 1:32 AM Wednesday, April 27, 1994
Subject: Norfolk, 4/26/94

Here is the set list from the free show at Town Point Park in Norfolk:

Set I
*****
Recently
Best of What's Around
Warehouse
Pay for What you 
Song that Jane Likes
Tripping Billies

Set II
******
Two Step
Ants Marching
Satellite
Rhyme and Reason (best version that i have heard this spring)
Minarets
Watchtower

It was a really fun show, and they video taped it with a hugh camera on
a arm that rotated all over the stage...the radio station said it 
was for the videos that will follow the release of the cd in september..
but i asked leroi and he couldn't verify the video...dave played in long
pants and had the legs rolled up like he was in a flood...the weather was
nice and they had nice special effects(visual) on a backdrop behind the stage
they played pay 4 what you get because they played it earlier on the radio
station...the rhyme and reason was incredible, especially the jam at the end

Take it easy-

Wayland


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 10:22 AM Wednesday, April 27, 1994
Subject: summer netters...

as far as summer netters go, let's just take a survey of who's going
to be online over the summer.  me and gregg will be(who knows, maybe
the summer will consist of nothing but gay bee posts...;).  anyone
else?  e-mail me, with your address followed by your name somewhere
in the message, and i'll set up a list to post to the net.

as far as digestifying goes, send to <listproc@moose.uvm.edu>
this line:
set minarets mail digest
and whammo.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
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Posted By: bpwalsh@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Time/Date: 2:59 PM Wednesday, April 27, 1994
Subject: poi

i saw poi dog pondering last night and highly reccomend that you catch 
the show if it's in town.  they're from hawaii, so they don't come around 
that often.  the reason i'm posting this here is because they sort of 
remind me of DMB - not just because they have a horn section and 
violinist, but because they combine international influences with rock to 
create a combination of feelgood and serious songs, all of which rock.  
sound familiar?  go see them.


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 7:21 PM Wednesday, April 27, 1994
Subject: let's finish the lyrics file.

as of today, april 27, there are only 5 songs not included in the
lyrics file, but they all seem fairly easy to figure out.

#34
#36
drive in, drive out
rhyme or reason
two step

there's also an untitled song laying around on a few tapes, and
if anyone feels like transcribing the lyrics to anti-noise, go
right ahead.  i'd also like to get some of the more outlandish
versions of dave's older songs.  i've heard some pretty whacked
out versions of warehouse, seek up, granny, and a bunch of others
that had no form when he first started playing them acoustically.

as for halloween, i've put the lyrics that dave was originally going
to publish which consist of this:

love...
love...
love...
love...

since there simply are no two halloween's alike, it does it no justice
to lock it away as a stock song in the lyrics file, even if he did
put it on a cd.

i'll be sending out the lyrics file in it's current form next week.
then, if we get it finished by the end of the summer, i'll forward it
to everyone first week of school, and that will be the end of the 
mailing list format.

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Posted By: nebuious@aol.com
Time/Date: 9:17 PM Wednesday, April 27, 1994
Subject: Two Step Without Piano?

Being relatively new to the ways of the Matthews, I was listening to Two
Step, and was filled with a sudden and one of very infrequent moment of
CLARITY, and I came up with this great question that will just be EATEN up by
DMB veterans who wish to spread their vast knowledge:

How the hell do they do the ending of Two Step without piano?  It seems
almost impossible.  Do they let some other instrument it?  It doesn't seem
like it would fit.

Ben, overflowing with love for DMB and keeper of the stupid new-bile
questions file.

just another memo from the cellar,

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Posted By: SEAWA@vax.rhodes.edu
Time/Date: 1:42 AM Thursday, April 28, 1994
Subject: Electric Ballroom jam (?)

Not long ago, I remember seeing a post (from a Kerry?) concerning an
interlude in Warehouse called soemthing like the subj of this message...
The show date that was given, I think, was 11/3/93, but though Warehouse
was played at this show, and the show as a whole was pretty good, 
Warehouse didn't seem spectacualr, and I didn't pick out any t

shit, faulty bs key...
Anyway, that ver of Warehouse didn't have anything special about it,
and I am trying to get a clarification of the show date that has this
Ballroom jam thing on it... Warehouse is my current fav song, and I'd
love to get a copy of the show in question..
Thanks in advance,
--Will Seay


Posted By: bdietz@acs.bu.edu
Time/Date: 9:32 AM Thursday, April 28, 1994
Subject: Poi... Not from Hawaii

I'd like to clarify the "Poi from Hawaii" stuff.  Poi Dog Pondering is
from Chicago.  They mostly play the Chicago area and the midwest.  They
may have some silly sounding "Hawaiian" songs like "Te Manu Pukarua" or
"Aloha Honalulu", but they are not from Hawaii.

--Brian "Vic" Dietz


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:18 AM Thursday, April 28, 1994
Subject: Re: Electric Ballroom jam (?)

electric ballroom jam during warehouse......?

what the hell is an electric ballroom jam? sounds interesting. sounds 
like the kind of thing dave should be doing more often rather than 
playing satellite everynight....

can anyone elaborate on this? i don't remember the earlier post 
describing this...

alex


Posted By: jjthomps@slate.Mines.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 11:50 AM Thursday, April 28, 1994
Subject: Re:Poi...not from Chicagco either?

I know that some of the members of the Pondering Dog were from Hawaii, and
I actually think the band got together in Texas.  Kind of a remnants of
former bands getting together to blend a buch of different styles.  Though
I'm not in the band so I can't say for sure.

Jason


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 12:35 PM Thursday, April 28, 1994
Subject: Re: Electric Ballroom jam (?)

On Thu, 28 Apr 1994, J. A. Crothers wrote:

> 
> can anyone elaborate on this? i don't remember the earlier post 
> describing this...

The only show I know that sounds like this is the warehouse from Election 
Night at Trax in 92. right in the middle of Warehouse they mellow out and 
go into this long cool jam with lots o boyd solo then they went right 
back into it. A good tape to find...
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Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 12:56 PM Thursday, April 28, 1994
Subject: Re: Electric Ballroom jam (?)

On Thu, 28 Apr 1994, Fee wrote:

> 
> The only show I know that sounds like this is the warehouse from Election 
> Night at Trax in 92. right in the middle of Warehouse they mellow out and 
> go into this long cool jam with lots o boyd solo then they went right 
> back into it. A good tape to find...

there's a couple of Warehouses from 11/92 that go into this same mellow
groovy Waltzey style jam.  I think that in Feb or March of 93 there are
one or two also.  Let me check the tapes to be sure.  It's funny to think
that Warehouse could take off and go so many different places. 
Warehouse->Wild Thing->Warehouse was cool the two times he did it.
I'd never seen it labeled as Electric Ballroom Jam, that describes it
perfectly though.  Boyd went heavy on the delay and wah, ala Baboon Farm...

be safe, good luck with exams and peace.
Blake


Posted By: gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 8:31 PM Thursday, April 28, 1994
Subject: The big controversey

"Carter could NEVER do what Fishman
does, and Fishman could NEVER do what Carter does."-Kerry

Very true.  Why bother comparing musicians unless they play the same style?
But, back to the Lex show.  Did anyone else get the impression that Phish 
was rather confused through most of the night?  They sounded so spaced 
out the whole night.  The jams inbetween verses were really weird, 
lacking consistency, not much rhythm, etc.  Not that I didn't enjoy 
myself, but, it wasn't like other Phish shows I've been to.  Also, this 
might realne, but di t seem like there wer lotofnis comin out of tPhi 
miking?  I heard flanging all over the place and just sounds that I don't 
and can't figure that they made.  Anyone?  
Leroi definately saved the day at the end, though.  The jam was, again, 
lacking everything until he played the theme.  I was really impressed by 
how he took charge of the situation.  That's it.  Graham


Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:51 PM Thursday, April 28, 1994
Subject: Carter vs. Fish

I believe it was Ben Sterling who asked if Carter blew Fishman out of the water
at Winston-Salem to which I reply:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!   YOU FOOL!

Carter is NOT as you put it "a far superior drummer to Fishman"...
Carter himself recognizes this and he acknowledged it to Fish at Lexington...

Will you all please realize that the Dave Matthews Band is not the pinnacle of
musical achievement?

Both are extremely good drummers, but I think there are a lot of things Fish
CAN do that Carter CANNOT...maybe that's why Fish was giving Carter pointers. 
In your face drumming is not neccessarily the best Ben...

Flame me personally please...

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Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 12:24 AM Friday, April 29, 1994
Subject: date this tune?

ques-ti-on....
 i have a copy of 'two step' as a filler with no date. it's solo,VERY slow, 
very short(@3 and a half min), and you can hear a few whistles in the 
background. the _second_ verse is 'do you think that we might last?' and no 
where in the song does he sing the oh-so-familiar 'you came to me like 
wine'.  
anyone? anyone? i'd greatly 'preciate it. 

happy thunderstorms and heat lightning, 
clare emily
ps- life tastes better with frosting!
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       to get away but i've strapped myself in / i can try to scratch 
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           parts / i don't want to listen but it's all too clear'
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Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 4:21 AM Friday, April 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Carter vs. Fish (nothing to do with it actually)

>I believe it was Ben Sterling who asked if Carter blew Fishman out of the water
>at Winston-Salem to which I reply:
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!   YOU FOOL!
>
> [ comments on how some bands apparently are and are not the pinnacle of
> [ musical talent ]
>
>Flame me personally please...

Well, no, I won't.  I think it's kind of rude to be so rude to someone then
request any followups to email.

Also, if you're going to say one drummer is superior to another, it would be
nice to explain how/why, other than just "x can do things y can't".

Brett

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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 8:39 AM Friday, April 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Summer minarets net

On Tue, 26 Apr 1994 bjammin@aol.com wrote:
> quick question: what's going to happen to the net during the summer.  I
> noticed that the address is at university of Vermont so then this is a
> student, yes.  well


..yes, minarets is run from the Univ. of Vermont and by a student (that's 
me)...as it turns out, i will not be living here this summer so i will 
not have direct access....so what does this mean?  ..i don't know.

most likely, i'll be able to telnet from a host site somewhere 
but....that gets confusing/difficult/timeconsuming/$$.....i'll also be on 
the road alot so finding a computer and an internet site will be few and 
far between...

Minarets can [probably] go on without anyone administrating it for 
awhile....i guess we'll see.  Hopefully i'll get the chance to check in 
every week or so and i imagine traffic will be slow since they will be in 
the studio alot of the time and not doing live shows....the subscribers 
that still have access ove the summer just need to catch any 
subscribe/undubscribe/digestify messages sent to minarets and get them on 
the right path..

anone have any suggestions?  anyone think this won't work?

alex


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:04 PM Friday, April 29, 1994
Subject: Re: WHAT?!!!?????!!!!

Graham wrote:
  Did anyone else get the impression that Phish 
> was rather confused through most of the night?  They sounded so spaced 
> out the whole night.  The jams inbetween verses were really weird, 
> lacking consistency, not much rhythm, etc.  Not that I didn't enjoy 
> myself, but, it wasn't like other Phish shows I've been to.  Also, this 
> might realne, but di t seem like there wer lotofnis comin out of tPhi 
> miking?  I heard flanging all over the place and just sounds that I don't 
> and can't figure that they made.  Anyone?  
> Leroi definately saved the day at the end, though.  The jam was, again, 
> lacking everything until he played the theme.  I was really impressed by 
> how he took charge of the situation.  That's it.  Graham

I think this is Phish's style of music: no consistency except confusing
everybody except themselves.  There music has more rhythm than just about
anyone.  Leroi sounded good, but I wouldn't say that he "saved the day,"
considering that Phish had already played Antelope and Harry Hood, and Leroi
wasn't going to top those.
 

 --Kerry            
        **My time coming anyday, but I'm not worried about it, no**
                      ***Look who's in the freezer***


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 1:44 PM Friday, April 29, 1994
Subject: VERY SAD BUT TRUE

I write to you all today with some extremely sad news that I just heard 
from someone at Local 186, the club, in Allston MA, at which Poi Dog 
Pondering was scheduled to play this saturday night.

The show is cancelled.

There will be no PPD concert this saturday, and in fact, apparently the
entire tour has been cancelled.  This is because someone in the band (the
woman did not say who) was diagnosed with cancer this week.  [added 
evidence, Irving Plaza show was just cancelled, because of 'illness'.]

This is obviously an extremely unfortunate situation.  Since (and this is 
going out to various people so forgive me if it doesn't apply to you) 
there has been some talk lately about this band, I figured you ought to 
know.  [Daniel, forward to HORDEnet if you would?] 

--Ben


Posted By: cgf2d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:07 PM Friday, April 29, 1994
Subject: Poi Dog Pondering

I was originally waiting for Jen Sansbury to get back on-line
since she's much more up on her Poi Dog Pondering trivia than I
am, but not knowing when she'll be back, I suppose I'll add my
two cents' worth.

Poi Dog Pondering originally formed in Hawaii but, with some
member changes, became noticed and got their recording deal in
Austin. They fairly recently moved their home base to Chicago
(accompanied by more personnel shifts).

The current tour was in support of their fourth national release,
but sadly has had to be cancelled. Brigid Murphy, the significant
other of Frank Orrall (the band's singer), has had a relapse of
cancer and is back in the hospital. No less upsetting, but for
those who care: it's not a band member who's sick. Apparently the
Chicago show is the only one on the tour that will still go on.

--Cindy


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:10 PM Saturday, April 30, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 161

in response to gregg carrier's:
>>Flame me personally please...
brett kingswell writes:
>
>Well, no, I won't.  I think it's kind of rude to be so rude to someone then
>request any followups to email.
in case you haven't been paying attention to the general evolution of internet,
when someone blatently opens himself up for slamming, most of the people 
around him don't feel like watching the slam happen, because it makes for
really tedious listserv digests.  when someone invites you to flame him
personally, it's simply the best way to go.  for that matter, when someone 
doesn't invite you to do it, it's even better.  in fact, don't flame him.  
just flood his mailbox full of useless wastes of disk space.  ;)

>                                         
>Also, if you're going to say one drummer is superior to another, it would be
>nice to explain how/why, other than just "x can do things y can't".
>
i'll justify it simply by saying, or more like reiterating, that fishman
can't do a lot of things that carter can.  i'll say that gregg was a bit
immature (sorry gregg;) by answering ben's "carter is better than fishman"
by saying "your wrong, fishman is better than carter,"  but it really is
what ben was asking for.  both bands have there own peaks and valleys, and
saying anything to the effect that one is better than the other is useless
and great flamebait.  it holds true through the entire genre.  i rank my
bands in this genre this way:
top o' the list:
1)phish
2)dave
3)widespread panic
4)everything
5)samples
top bands that belong in the shitter with my next unloading of
too much beer:
1)the dead
2)aru
3)blues traveler
4)god street wine

OBVIOUSLY i disagree with some people on some aspects here, and even
though my point here is that saying that one band is the greatest and
another sucks, i'm still going to get flamed hardcore for saying that
the dead sucks.  if it helps, read as saying "i don't like the dead"

it goes to show just how funny the gay bee posts really were.  maybe 
some fifty lines worth of precious minarets net space, and everyone
gets all tee'd off because "we're wasting your time" or "you don't
understand."  lighten' up for chrissakes.  anyone who's spent more
than ten minutes on an internet bb has dealt with it, and i can say
look in the mirror when you decide to flame me and gregg for getting
drunk, kicking back, and laughing our asses off when we decide to throw
a wrench in the works and watch the light show that ensues.  

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Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:19 PM Saturday, April 30, 1994
Subject: to jmu people only...dave on xjm.

sorry to people across the county who don't care what's going on at
the radio station at jmu, but i'm trying to reach as many people as
possible, and there's a lot of dukes around here.  ;)

tomorrow (sunday, may 1st), i'm going to broadcast the february 22nd
trax show which are highlighted (rather poorly, i might add) on the
recently ep.  beginning at 12 noon and running until about 2:00 or
so.  i figure i'll post the setlist for the matter of people who
feel like taping:
tape 1/set I 
side I                                 side II
seek up                             satellite
tripping billies                    #36
song that jane likes                true reflections
help myself               
what would you say

tape 2/set II
side 1                                 side 2
ants marching                        ...thing
minarets                             lover lay down
typical situation                    watchtower
granny                               dancing nancies
jimi...                               encore:
                                     halloween

as for the first tape, satellite will prolly fade in because i missed the
first few seconds of the song, and it cuts in somewhat abruptly, (but
not that muched is missed)
the jimi thing cuts over to the second side, but it happens at a really
quiet part just after his guitar solo.
my apologies, but halloween will have to be censored.  there certain 
times during the day when i could get away with it, but 2:00 on a sunday
afternoon might be pushing it.  i'll try to keep it as graceful as possible.
(i was thinking of editing in a blurb of riker's mailbox, acutally;).
the remainder of the show will be all phish, just random stuff.  it'll
make for a great filler for the some 25 minutes of extra space on the
first tape.
                                        
enjoy...
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Posted By: nebuious@aol.com
Time/Date: 4:30 PM Saturday, April 30, 1994
Subject: Satellite Question/2nd & Hopefully Last Grovel

Okay, I have a question.

In the lyrics file, it says Satellite is in the R2T CD booklet, so there's no
need to transcribe the lyrics, but it gives lyrics for the song "Satellite
(After Her)"

The inevitable question I have is what is the difference?  Lyrics, music,
direction of song, all of the above, or NONE of the above?


Second, I know I was JUST groveling for tapes, but I somehow lost contact
with a lot of you.  
If anyone is interested in helping out a guy with a measly 6 tapes of DMB
(though I have TONS of Phish and other stuff), get in touch.

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

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