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May 17, 1994

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Posted By: bdietz@acs.bu.edu
Time/Date: 1:34 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Where is Andrew B Zaff???

Andrew Zaff where are you?  If you see this message please get back
to me.  I really want to work out a trade...

--Brian "Vic" Dietz


Posted By: PHELPSWIL@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 1:59 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: take it outside godboy

i'll be ending my college experience in about 5 days and have been scrambling
to get as many tapes as possiblt before i leave "the circuit" as i affectionately call it.  for those who are still reading, i wanted to say i came across a 
december 91 DMB show that included Dave introducing a "brand new song" called
Big City, i think.  Yesterday i got another show with a great version of this
song.  Kinda like finding buried treasure for me.  

What happened to this song???

any answers, ideas?

					Bill


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 2:01 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Similar set lists

On the topic of a lot of the recent setlists being similar, I was
wondering what would peoples reaction be to Dave playing more covers?

Covers don't take as long for the band to learn as new material, so
that could easily be a way for the band to diversify their shows.
Everybody (I think) enjoys hearing "Watchtower", 'cause they do it
so well, and I think they could probably orchestrate a bunch of other
well and not-so-well known songs by other artists into their regular
repetoire.

I don't think that playing covers would necessarily detract from their
original material, just provide more diversity.  Case in point:
>From three fairly random setlists of the Grateful Dead, out of
48 songs, 18 were covers.  They certainly don't play covers for lack
of original material - that's what keeps their concerts interesting,
a lot of diversity, and a huge base of songs to pick from.  

Just a thought.  Come on Dave, play "Disco Duck"!  (just kidding!)

-Dave


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 2:22 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Re: Similar set lists

I'm going to echo Blake's response to my first message, hope that's
OK with you, BC!

>I'm still waiting to hear Carter do Trouble Man by Marvin Gaye...I've
>suggested it to him on numerous occasions.  I think it would be great,
>Jimi Thing->Trouble Man->Tripping Billies...that would be a great segue.
>Me and Julio was always a fun song...covers are okay.  BUt I'm hoping
>for MUCH new material to come out ofthe break and recording sessions.
>I'm sure that we'll be seeing a big growth in material in the coming months.
>peace, postive exam energy,
>Blake

That also brings up a good point - where is all of the new material?
It almost seems that Dave is taking an awful long time writing new songs,
at least compared with other Horde bands.  I can probably count the new
songs from last year on one hand.  Does this mean that we can't expect
DMB to continue long into the future, as they will run out of material?
I hope not.

Me & Julio was good - as was "Hey Joe" (with Boyd on vocals and wah-wah
pedal).  Anybody ever hear their version of "Sympathy for the Devil"?
I have about 15 seconds of it at the end of a tape.

-Dave


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:49 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Re: Uhh

On Apr 30, 11:24pm, Rick wrote:  holds true through the entire genre.  i rank
my
> bands in this genre th> top o' the list:
> 1)phish
> 2)dave
> 3)widespread panic  (I sing like I'm taking a shit)
> 4)everything
> 5)samples
> top bands that belong in the shitter with my next unloading of
> too much beer:
> 1)the dead
> 2)aru      (I hope you mean Col.Bruce, and not ARU)
> 3)blues traveler
> 4)god street wine     
> 
> OBVIOUSLY i disagree with some people on some aspects here, and even
> though my point here is that saying that one band is the greatest and
> another sucks, i'm still going to get flamed hardcore for saying that
> the dead sucks.  if it helps, read as saying "i don't like the dead"

I think the worst thing I've ever read on this net is that the Samples are
one of the top 5 bands around, but the Dead deserve to be in the shitter with
the next unloading of too much beer.
(Remember, don't read this as the Samples suck, just read it like "I don't
like the Samples").  
The Samples suck because:
1) they are the worst band I've ever heard
2)  ALL their stuff sounds the same
3)  The lead singer can't sing, write, play guitar, or do anything cool with
the effects he uses on 90% of his songs
4) Their keyboardist, bassist, and drummer suck.
5) "Did you ever eat brown rice?"--DMB set break 7-27-93
6)  No improvisational skills
Hey, at least they have a good light show (not compared to Phish's however),
and the lead singer is a nice guy.

Why the Dead don't suck:
1) Great songs, lyrics, jams, singing; better drugs in the parking lot than
in a Samples parking lot.
2) I take it you've never heard 8-27-72?
3) Phil Lesh beats the shit out of ANYONE except Mike Gordon (and even that
is a close call)
4) Cryptical-->other one      If you don't like this, something is wrong.
5) 30 years and still going.  How good will DMB be in the year 2021?



 --Kerry            
              **I love meatballs, so you better get ready**
                      ***Look who's in the freezer***


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 2:53 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Re: Similar set lists

On Sun, 1 May 1994, David Forbis wrote:

> I'm going to echo Blake's response to my first message, hope that's
> OK with you, BC!

fine with me Dave...

> That also brings up a good point - where is all of the new material?

Dave has it hidden in his sock drawer...

> It almost seems that Dave is taking an awful long time writing new songs,
> at least compared with other Horde bands.  I can probably count the new
> songs from last year on one hand.  Does this mean that we can't expect
> DMB to continue long into the future, as they will run out of material?
> I hope not.

I'm pretty sure that Dave has hundreds of songs written that we've never
heard.  At least some music and lyrics that will gel out in the studio. 
I'm really glad that they're taking some time off.  They need to
PRACTICE (something that they haven't done alot of) and work out new
material in the practice space as oppossed to on stage.  Dave doesn't
seem as comfortable playing a virgin song onstage anymore.  If he
screwed up in front of 100 people at Trax or the Floodzone, no big
deal...I think I'll really miss the evolution of songwriting on stage. 
QLAG might be our last example of that (with the exception of the
Atlanta song which has yet to be played again, I THINK...)  Hopefully
the jams will NEVER go away.  I thnk they're having to much fun to quit
anytime soon.  I don't think there is anything stale about the music
yet, they just need to vary the setlist a little.  Maybe seeing the same
faces in the crwod night after night will let them know that people
actually tour with them, and get sick of the same songs night after night.

well, gotta study, peace everyone, good luck on exams, be safe.


Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:17 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Band Smashing

This thread is hardly appropriate here - possibly on horde.net.

Hope it doesn't last too long.

Dan

By the way-
  The Dead DO suck.


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 3:35 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Re: Uhh

On Sun, 1 May 1994, Uncle Ebenezer wrote:

> 5) "Did you ever eat brown rice?"--DMB set break 7-27-93

THIS is funny...funniest thing I've heard all year...

okay..Kerry and I actually agree on something. this is spooky.

> 2) I take it you've never heard 8-27-72?

heard it...smoked bowls the size of woks to it...so acid tinged you can
hear the liquid flowing.  It's one of my fave shows.  
Anyone that doesn't have this show and 2/13/70 should not say they don't
like the dead..

Kerry is a good guy..listen to him, follow him.

Blake


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 4:25 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Re: to jmu people only...dave on xjm.

This is mainly for Rick and Alex, but anyone else who knows can reply..

On Sat, 30 Apr 1994, uberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug wrote:

> tomorrow (sunday, may 1st), i'm going to broadcast the february 22nd
> trax show which are highlighted (rather poorly, i might add) on the
> recently ep.  beginning at 12 noon and running until about 2:00 or
> so.  i figure i'll post the setlist for the matter of people who

I'm alternative rock director at WLUR at Washington and Lee and am 
interested in the fact that you can broadcast a live show. I had heard 
one a disc came out, bootlegs couldn't be aired unless the band consented 
(ie Dead hour etc).. What's the deal on this, does the band care, can I 
get shafted by the FCC or something if I play old summer FZ shows, etc... 
I'd love to be able to actually air cuts other than R2T and 
Recently....e-mail me info/ideas if you've got any...Thanx :-)
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Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 8:04 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: this oscillating thread....

let's all calm down.  obviously we don't all agree on the 'top ten' (or 
five or a hundred) bands.  what we need to focus on is that we do like the 
dave matthews band.  if i reeled out some of the other bands i liked and 
hated, i'd get thrashed, so let's all just say that our likes and dislikes 
are facets of ourselves, and that these facets are respected by all. 
regardless of opinion.  let's shrug this shit off.  everybody just go 
listen to a rocking version of 'seekup'.  or take dave's advice as he bagan 
'recently' at vanripers a week ago... 'some people like to dance, some 
people don't.  some people like to drink, others don't.  some people like 
to smoke a bowl, some people don't'  (or something like that).  so respect 
that i don't smoke bowls, and respect that i smoke marlboro lights.  don't 
judge me, and don't flame me.  i'm me, you're you. hold hands. smile. and 
give others hugs more often.  people need to be told they're appreciated 
more often...
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  'i don't care. if only i could say that and not feel so sick and scared
   i don't care. if only i could say that, if only my eyes would close...'

                             cecliff@vt.ed
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Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 8:52 PM Sunday, May 1, 1994
Subject: Re: this oscillating thread....

On Sun, 1 May 1994, clare emily clifford wrote:

> let's all calm down.  obviously we don't all agree on the 'top ten' (or 
> 
Smart words from a smart girl.......
Smiles everyone..
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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:00 AM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Re: take it outside godboy

On Sun, 1 May 1994 PHELPSWIL@urvax.urich.edu wrote:
> december 91 DMB show that included Dave introducing a "brand new song" called
> Big City, i think.  Yesterday i got another show with a great version of this
> song.  Kinda like finding buried treasure for me.  
> What happened to this song???

this is something i'd like to hear...

a tape from '91 and a song i've never heard.....

has it ever been established when dmb was established?..1st gig?

alex crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:06 AM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Big City/Spotlight

On Mon, 2 May 1994, David Forbis wrote:
> > december 91 DMB show that included Dave introducing a "brand new song" called
> > Big City, i think.  Yesterday i got another show with a great version of this
> > song.  Kinda like finding buried treasure for me.  
> > What happened to this song???
> 
> That sounds like a different title for "Spotlight."  Isn't the phrase
> Big City in that song?
> 
> -Dave

dave: hope you don't mind but i'm sending your message to minarets as well

good call on the Big City/Spotlight.....i listened to spotlight again and 
there is there is mention of big city, black city in there, so i'd assume 
these songs are one in the same....

so i guess that puts an end to the mysterious newly found dave song..oh well

alex crothers


Posted By: mnewton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 12:33 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 163

okay, another dave argument is evolving so i would like to add some fire.

to start, don't put down the dead. period.  without them, much of the 
"scene" which we all appreciate would not be possible.  yes crypt... 
other one will blow your mind!!!  never been a better driving song for 
the road than Aligator/ drumz/ Goin down the road from Fillmore E. '71!!!!

yes, i agree the samples suck.  but so what, what do i know, and what 
does anyone else care about my oppinion of the samples???  Dave needs 
more covers, more new songs, more new something.  I expected more when 
they left the regular tuesday night trax schedule.  By the way, let's 
have some input/response on where DMB will be in 2021.  This is a very 
cool thought.  

my guess is we'll hear this: "okay, this is surf on W.suck.rock radio, 
nonstop continuous suck classics.  we just heard Big Bottoms from Spinal 
Tap.  Here's another from the oldie but forgotten file, "Recently" by the 
Dave Matthews Group"  just kidding , ......ah.  but am i. seriosly, i 
want to know what all of you think will happen in the long run.  Opening 
for the Jerry garcia band (jerry would be 77 years old by then , but 
still playing!!!!) maybe, it could happen.. so you better watch.

by the way Carter really does suck as a drummer.  Highly overrated.   
okay. enough of this.  gotta go

matt


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:06 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 163

On Mon, 2 May 1994, Matthew C. Newton wrote:

> by the way Carter really does suck as a drummer.  Highly overrated.   

What?????
No one has mentioned Carter's ever present vocal performances as a key 
par tof the band too......
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Posted By: mxgall@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 1:29 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Hogwild Ramblers...

    I hear this Charlottesville band mentioned by Dave on a number of
tapes.  Anyone know anything about them?

                                                        --Mike


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:06 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Dates and such....

tonight is the last dave show for awhile:
May 2 Mon-Knoxville, TN Bijou Theatre

after that they have a small break until
May 12 Thurs-Fox Theatre, Boulder CO
May 13 Fri-Red Rocks, Morrison CO w/ BHT & Los Lobos
May 14 Sat-"    "         "       "      "      "

June 14th Super Jam w/ WSP, DMB and Allgood Athens GA outdoors

May 16-July 10 Studio Time-obviously with some random appearances

after July 10th DMB will be appearing in some East coast Horde dates

alex crothers


Posted By: nmayer@uva386.schools.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:56 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Dave & Tim

Dave and Tim are apparently playing at the Prism Saturday night
with about two thousand other people so i don't know how long
they'll play but it's only 5 bucks. See ya there


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 3:19 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Re: Dates and such....

On Mon, 2 May 1994, J. A. Crothers wrote:

> June 14th Super Jam w/ WSP, DMB and Allgood Athens GA outdoors

Isn't Superjam on the 12th?  Barry, help me out here.

> May 16-July 10 Studio Time-obviously with some random appearances

NYC, perhaps?

> alex crothers		

-Ben


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 3:57 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: dave's new material

i don't know for a fact that dave even has any new material beyond
say goodbye, but i have a feeling that he's pulling a ploy similar
to what phish did for hoist.  i think he wants there to be some
surprise to his new cd.

as for 'big city,' go back and listen carefully to the lyrics, and
maybe the base chord progression, and see if it reminds you of
spotlight in any way.  i've never heard the song, so i have no idea,
but it's possible.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 4:33 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: who didn't get the lyrics update?

i just sent out the lyrics update to the mailing list, and the only
two people who bounced were:
!in%"cbp7a@virginia.edu"
!in%"mverspool@liberty.uc.wlu.edu"

and if anybody else wants it, let me know.
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 5:05 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Re: Hogwild Ramblers...

I thought their name was something more like Hogwaller Ramblers, but I
could be mistaken.  I saw them open for DMB on 7/6/93 at Trax.  They're
a pretty cool bluegrass band.  One of their members is a lady who plays
a mean washboard, no joke!

-Dave


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 5:12 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: RE: Dave & Tim

>Dave and Tim are apparently playing at the Prism Saturday night
>with about two thousand other people so i don't know how long
>they'll play but it's only 5 bucks. See ya there

Where's the Prism?  What's showtime?  Any idea who else is playing?
Sounds great!

-Dave


Posted By: collidt0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 6:29 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: couple of things

                I AM LEAVING FOR THE SUMMER IN ONE WEEK AND I WILL NOT MISS
THE CLOSE MINDEDNESS OF THIS NET.  ALL OF THE TALK ABOUT WHICH BAND IS BEST
IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.  LET'S JUST SETTLE FOR VAN MORRISON AS BEING THE
MASTER, THANKS.  ALSO THAT BIG CITY SHIT IS SPOTLIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE OT
LISTEN TO CHORDS.  IN THE EARLIER STAGES OF THE SONG THEY PLAYED IT VERY
STRANGELY, WITHOUT THE USUAL CHORUS LINE.  AND AS FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID
ARU SUCKED, HUH.  HEY EVERYONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW (CLARE AND
OTHERS) GET A GRIP.  BEND OVER AND GIVE YOURSELF A BLOW JOB, MAYBE IT WILL
LIGHTEN YOU UP AND TAKE YOU OFF OF YOUR I'M A BADASS EGO HIGH....

                IT HAS BEEN A JOY, LATER,
                                        COLLIER 



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Posted By: COGBILLJ@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Time/Date: 8:53 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: RHYME AND REASON

RHYME AND REASON (7/27/93 FZ)

So well I find myself this time
All to myself sometimes and I'm on a train
On a bus with everybody around me seated
Looking at the faces shutting me out
And I wonder why behind these eyes we hide--every day, every night
Don't speak to strangers, don't speak to another
Unless he might compromise your way
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it, well, till I'm six feet underground

Hurry, hurry self, don't drag your feet behind you
Get what you need to do in your time, get it done
And don't leave any stone unturned, unless you
No door unopened unless you know what's behind
Oh don't dare answer to the left to the right
Rund down the middle path, what happens when you
See the path down the middle, and we're running in circles
Getting nowhere and nowhere fast
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it till I'm six feet underground, there's a place
Where I'll find quiet, peace and quiet
And these lies in my head they leave me going
Leave me going, leave me going yeah, yeah, yeah...

So I might take a chance to talk to a stranger, on a bus
Yes I don't know why you're sitting quiet, (have you a life)
Four hours down this highway, not a word
Spoken between us, make me lose my mind, so I say
'Hey how you do, a photograph of your family, looks so nice
Like the way your hair fall back, yes I do'
'Don't talk to me please leave me alone
I'm busy, got a lot, a lot on my mind'
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it till I'm low and low and dead be again
Don't ask why, why you bored of me, little girl
And I now, I wonder why, wonder why
We can't work it out, we can work it out

My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it till I'm dead, dead and gone
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it till I'm rotting, rotting, rotting lie
Lie rotting, rotting lie, lie, lie...

Turn the windows are open, don't leave
The moment's passed I shudder what I could've done
Sometimes occurring, ( )
And the urge to open your mouth, don't shut it
Don't swallow your thought again
Open up and screeeeeam it, screeeam it, screeeeam....


********************************************************************


I guess this is just a little too late, but I've had so much to do and 
finally got a chance to transcribe the lyrics.  I realize this song is 
like Seek Up in that he often changes the lyrics, but I thought this 
was a great version.

Jamie Cogbill


Posted By: COGBILLJ@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Time/Date: 9:05 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: DAve's lyrics

Well I'm glad that I finally sat down to actually figure out what DAve 
is saying in Rhyme and Reason, cuz after doing so i realized what a 
truly great song it is, musically and lyrically.  I'd encourage 
whoever hasn't heard this version to listen to it or at least read the 
lyrics.  It's one of Dave's few songs where he actually tells a story 
somewhat.  it's the story of some person who is driving himself crazy 
because all the people around him are too wrapped up in their own 
lives and their own routines to take the time to reach out and notice 
him.  Possibly it's these people who are too afraid of getting hurt, 
but drive themselves to their graves for lack of affection.  Wow.

If I could only have a dab of Dave's inspiration.

While on the topic of lyrics...
The ( ) in Blue WAter, I now believe is "gashes" as in blood.

Instead of "Well no I'd love to stay" in WAREHOUSE, I believe it is 
"My love, I love to stay there."


Okey doke, that's all I's got to say.
Jamie Cogbill


Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 9:54 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: rhyme and reason; yet another smooth version...

just thought i'd share some alternate lyrics...

12/2/93 (solo)

oh me, the lights are on, leave me crying again...
i wonder, wonder if i could get out of this dizzy, dizzy spell
my god, my eyes are open but i feel i'm locked behind
can't get out, can't get what i need till you're 
out out out of my mind...

chorus.... (which we all know...)

so all these grooves seem to have me mellow
aww, sometimes she even treats me well
and the day begins i think maybe i can handle
get my way out of this hell
but, oh god, then the day continues, copy words, television
get me turnin about...
and i don't know, don't know if i can find a reason, 
find a reason to live this one out.

my head won't leave my head alone,
and i don't believe it will till i'm dead and gone.
my head won't leave my head alone, 
and i don't believe it will till i'm six feet underground in my grave
why won't i leave here, why won't i leave here 
let it, why?  and again... god i said, 'why won't you leave me by myself?'

why, see, at this moment i feel i  might be losing,
losing what little i've got.
i feel, i feel i might be losing hold, losing hold of what i'm not.
lay, lay me down... awwww
and my deathbed looks so comfortable now, it looks soft as hell

my head won't leave my head alone
i don't believe it will till i'm dead and gone
my head won't leave my head alone
i don't believe it will till i'm six feet underground in my grave
when i leaving, leaving a light, a life...why?
i won't say... i don't under-understand or even know...
god knows it... oh, won't you leave me, wait here... 
me and this scar...oh, and the darkness, seems so cold-filled..
the darkness will lead me home....

 these lyrics are totally different from jamie's version. yet they both 
relay the underlying emotion of the song. i just thought i'd share them, 
since not all of us have vast amounts of tape on tape, and dave's lyrical 
phantasm is one of the most intriguing things about this band's lyrics...
let me see if i can dig out my copy of drive-in drive out and i'll send 
them in too....
smiles, 
clare emily...
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'In addition to every other good thing about dandelions, they are magic.  When
the flower turns to seed, you can blow them off the stem, and if you blow just 
 right and all those little helicopters fly away, you get your wish.  Magic.'  

          join me and opus and plug into the 'dandelion internet.'
                             cecliff@vt.edu
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Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 10:13 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: drive in drive out...

12/2/93 (also solo)

say, all you sisters and brothers
all matters if i divide us so
our own political words they ponder us so...
this side, that side
right, wrong... driving me back

drive in drive out, i'm leaving
"        "          i come back again
"        "          i'm leaving...
hell has it's own place, we carry on....

well, everyone sit inside, watch what's going on
well, as you will drive in, and drive us apart.
don't trust words that delight us or
get into my heart... yeah....
ohh ah  ah leah ho...  i run away, run away
    run away guy, run away guy, 
     run out, run out...

you and me sister, sometimes i feel you figure it all out.
you and me sister, oh, we've got it right. 
our differences, differences, mother and in cold life, 
why must i steadfast, stand by what i think is right?

oh drive in drive out, i'm leaving
drive in drive out, i'll come back again 
drive in drive out, i'm leaving
hell has a place for everyone, it's here: alone.

oh, the devil he's not hiding underground, he's waiting by your front door 
(deep gloomy laughter from dave...)
well, tv men take you away, rock up your world
too many won't leave you alone, drive you alone
man, when i'm going back again, light in some peace....yeah...

(yodels for a while.... does the hard strummin, grunting, and ends.)

 i know that on both drive in drive out and rhyme and reason, and say 
goodbye (aka: quick lay) he's never done them the same any other night.  
what can i say?  dave was rocking in blacksburg!! ha ha!!

remember two things: love your mother, and leave only footprints.
don't be strangers....
 clare emily
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'In addition to every other good thing about dandelions, they are magic.  When
the flower turns to seed, you can blow them off the stem, and if you blow just 
 right and all those little helicopters fly away, you get your wish.  Magic.'  

          join me and opus and plug into the 'dandelion internet.'
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Posted By: EWHESSE@AMHERST.BITNET
Time/Date: 10:19 PM Monday, May 2, 1994
Subject: Song Title?

Hello all,
I was just wondering if any one out there could help me identify a tune Dave
does solo. The versions I have are on 7/6/93 at Trax (opens up), 11/3/93 FZ,
and 11/9/93 Trax (both after Say Goodbye). It's a very simple tune w/ Dave
keeping the rhythm goin' as he does in Pay For, kind of rocking back and forth
He often apologizes for not knowing it very well and asks for the aegis of
artistic license before beginning. A couple lyrics include (he really distorts h
   is voice): gonna make me happy, gonna make me hopeful...  I saw the title
"Old Mother" in the lyrics file and was wondering if that could be it. Some
other lyrics could fit that sort of theme. If any one can help out w/ this one
I'd appreciate it.
By the way, I think that it's time we start talking about the namesake of this
net again and not each other. Also, thank you very much to all those who
contributed to the lyrics file. It's a treasury for us all to enjoy.
Take care and best of luck (or whatever you need) on finals,
Eric


Posted By: EWHESSE@AMHERST.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:04 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: I'm so happy...

Cuz Blake just told me that that tune I was asking about is named (alternatively
   So Happy or Heathcliffe's Haiku Warriors. Pretty amusing, really. Between us
we could only come up w/ 4 performances of it - 3/?/93,7/6,11/3, 11/9
Any others that any one knows of? Rick?
I do, some don't
Eric


Posted By: EWHESSE@AMHERST.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:08 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: just a thought

While I think that it's a nice idea (in theory) to add Roi and Boyd to
Halloween, they've GOT to do something different than that godawful repeating
quarter note. It detracts from the power of the song and frankly annoys the
hell out of me. It would be much better if they did more things like Boyd
does when he mimics Dave's guitar and voice when it mellows out in the middle
and lilts down "why do run around here?..." Just a thought,
Eric


Posted By: EWHESSE@AMHERST.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:15 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: oops

insert you b/w do run, run, run, you do run, run...
Take care all,
e


Posted By: @mail.trincoll.edu:sean.berry@mail.trincoll.edu
Time/Date: 12:38 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: TERM PAPER THREAD

For any of you who are doing papers or studying finals I have come up with
a thread we can dwell upon for a study break tonight:
        WHAT SONG WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE BAND COVER?

My ideas: 
        1. Concrete Jungle-BM&W
        2. In the Summertime-Mungo Jerry
        3. Hey Pocky Way-the Meters
        4. A very mellow- Seven Turns-Allmans
        5. Bron y Aur-Zeppelin(interesting instumental lead into "Lie in Our.."

I am very overworked, so entertain my boredom tonight, take a break and
contribute.
Sean

P.S.-Eric Hesse:
        That Wetlands Jimi>Seek Up is perhaps the smoothest I have heard.
Get in touch I am receiving new goodies. Need your summer address for
vacation trades.


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Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 12:53 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: Re: TERM PAPER THREAD

without a doubt...Carter sings Trouble man by Marvin Gaye...I'd nut...


Posted By: gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:01 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 161

Kerry wrote:
I think this is Phish's style of music: no consistency except confusing
everybody except themselves.  There music has more rhythm than just about
anyone.  Leroi sounded good, but I wouldn't say that he "saved the day,"
considering that Phish had already played Antelope and Harry Hood, and Leroi
wasn't going to top those.

Again, I wasn't trying to compare the two bands!  The 2 bands were 
jamming and playing nothing and Leroi saved the day by giving them 
something to play.
G


Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 1:02 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: RE: term paper thread.....

'sweet thing', a waterboys cover of a van morrison tune...

great violin..... sexy harmonica, too...... whew baby!!
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'In addition to every other good thing about dandelions, they are magic.  When
the flower turns to seed, you can blow them off the stem, and if you blow just 
 right and all those little helicopters fly away, you get your wish.  Magic.'  

          join me and opus and plug into the 'dandelion internet.'
                             cecliff@vt.edu
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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:05 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: DMB's first gig

the creation of dave matthews band: 3-4-91...?

	anyone out there in cyberland at this show or have any info 
discrediting this or confirming it.....?

	Something for the FAQ perhaps...

alex crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:08 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: Re: Dates and such....

On Mon, 2 May 1994, Ben Tanen wrote:
> > June 14th Super Jam w/ WSP, DMB and Allgood Athens GA outdoors
> 
> Isn't Superjam on the 12th?  Barry, help me out here.

wops. it is the 12th. my mistake.

the superjam with WSP and Allgood in Athens, GA is on June 12th...

alex crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 2:16 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: the Prism--Dave and Tim

the Prism is at the intersection of Rugby Road and Grady.  it is a coffee 
huse in a big white house.  cool atmosphere, herb tea and coffee only, no 
drinking. one of dave's friends -song/songwriter Shannon Wohrl is also 
performing.

alex crothers


Posted By: mnewton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 11:28 AM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 164

to d. collier, who wrote "get a grip"  , i agree whole heartedly!!!!!

The DMB is not the beginning and end of the music world!!!!

to much seriousness in this world


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:32 PM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: Re: thoughts

> by the way Carter really does suck as a drummer.  Highly overrated.   
> okay. enough of this.  gotta go

Maybe you just suck as a listener (unless you're kidding, which I hope you
are)

> 
> I thought their name was something more like Hogwaller Ramblers, but I
> could be mistaken.  I saw them open for DMB on 7/6/93 at Trax.  They're
> a pretty cool bluegrass band.  One of their members is a lady who plays
> a mean washboard, no joke!

The Hogwaller Ramblers broke up in Sept 93.
 
>                 I AM LEAVING FOR THE SUMMER IN ONE WEEK AND I WILL NOT MISS
> THE CLOSE MINDEDNESS OF THIS NET.  ALL OF THE TALK ABOUT WHICH BAND IS BEST
> IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.  LET'S JUST SETTLE FOR VAN MORRISON AS BEING THE
> MASTER, THANKS.  ALSO THAT BIG CITY SHIT IS SPOTLIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE OT
> LISTEN TO CHORDS.  IN THE EARLIER STAGES OF THE SONG THEY PLAYED IT VERY
> STRANGELY, WITHOUT THE USUAL CHORUS LINE.  AND AS FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID
> ARU SUCKED, HUH.  HEY EVERYONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW (CLARE AND
> OTHERS) GET A GRIP.  BEND OVER AND GIVE YOURSELF A BLOW JOB, MAYBE IT WILL
> LIGHTEN YOU UP AND TAKE YOU OFF OF YOUR I'M A BADASS EGO HIGH....
> 
>                 IT HAS BEEN A JOY, LATER,
>                                         COLLIER 

You suck too, but what was your point?
Maybe ARU does suck: just because they can move their hands over their
instruments faster than anyone else doesn't mean they don't suck--"Compared
To What" sucks beyond belief.  

> ----
> My corrections for RHYME AND REASON (7/27/93 FZ) in parentheses
> 
> So well I find myself this time  (Sometimes I find myself whispering to    
> All to myself sometimes and I'm on a train           myself on a train)
> On a bus with everybody around me seated      (Or a bus) 
> Looking at the faces shutting me out   (Looking at other faces shook me up)
> And I wonder why behind these eyes we hide--every day, every night
> Don't speak to strangers, don't speak to another
> Unless he might compromise your way
> My head won't leave my head alone
> I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
> My head won't leave my head alone
> I don't believe it, well, till I'm six feet underground
> 
> Hurry, hurry self, don't drag your feet behind you
> Get what you need to do in your time, get it done
> And don't leave any stone unturned, unless you
> No door unopened unless you know what's behind
> Oh don't dare answer to the left to the right
> Rund down the middle path, what happens when you
> See the path down the middle, and we're running in circles
> Getting nowhere and nowhere fast
> My head won't leave my head alone
> I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
> My head won't leave my head alone
> I don't believe it till I'm six feet underground, there's a place
> Where I'll find quiet, peace and quiet
> And these lies in my head they leave me going
> Leave me going, leave me going yeah, yeah, yeah...
> 
> So I might take a chance to talk to a stranger, on a bus
> Yes I don't know why you're sitting quiet, (have you a life)
> Four hours down this highway, not a word
> Spoken between us, make me lose my mind, so I say
> 'Hey how you do, a photograph of your family, looks so nice (can I 
                                                  photograph your family)
> Like the way your hair fall back, yes I do'
> 'Don't talk to me please leave me alone
> I'm busy, got a lot, a lot on my mind'
> My head won't leave my head alone
> I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
> My head won't leave my head alone
> I don't believe it till I'm low and low and dead be again (I don't believe 
                            it will till I'm lowered, lowered, lay me again) 
> Don't ask why, why you bored of me, little girl
> And I now, I wonder why, wonder why
> We can't work it out, we can work it out
> 
Sorry about the length

 --Kerry            
              **I love meatballs, so you better get ready**
                      ***Look who's in the freezer***


Posted By: WEISSJASO@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 3:50 PM Tuesday, May 3, 1994
Subject: this is probably a stupid question

Since this seems to be a rather macho line I am kind of afraid to ask
but....
Whoever puts out the lyrics ...Cogbill?....could you tell me where I can
find the words to Whatchtower?  If its a stupid question just tell me where
if not then could you post em.  
                                      Thanxs,
                                                Jason


Posted By: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 1:17 AM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: No... You suck... No... YOU suck...

uh...huh-huh.... ummmm... is this the beavis net or what?

can someone forward me info on saturday's show. i'll definitely e
be there, but need date and time.

     Ellis "of Lemuria" Godard   jeg5s@virginia.edu
       P.O. Box 3240, Charlottesville, VA, 22903
  Graduate Program in Sociology, University of Virginia
FAQ File Administrator for rec.music.phish & phish-digest
     Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:03 AM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: First gig

the first 'official' dave matthews band gig appears to be march 14, 1991.  
Boyd was not part of the band but was invited on stage to jam.

alex crothers


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:42 PM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: Blake

Blake, I lost your address for where you want your tapes sent.
Could you send it to me?   Thanks

 --Kerry            
              **I love meatballs, so you better get ready**
                      ***Look who's in the freezer***


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 3:26 PM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 165

>Again, I wasn't trying to compare the two bands!  The 2 bands were
>jamming and playing nothing and Leroi saved the day by giving them
>something to play.
>G

actually, they were playing yem, and pretty well, imho.  personally
i felt like it was the second worse yem i've ever heard (horde being
the worst) and that leroi actually detracted from it by sending them
on a whacked out tangent.  emphasis on "personally."  i realize that
a lot of people really gizzed out, but i thought it was stupid.

covers:
  factory girl-stones   (would fit perfectly into that me & julio vein)

heathcliff's haiku warriors:  this is an impromptu name made up by a
freind of a freind of mine at uva.  i don't know what it means, and
neither does he.  he was stoned at the time, and wound up labeling
dancing nancies as "turtles, turtles, turtles, and more turtles."
any way you look at it, it is such a strange name that it's good for
a laugh when your bored, and it's what i'll always call it.
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 3:29 PM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: words to watchtower (not here, though)

watchtower:

seeing as the innumberable versions on the market, this song should
be pretty easy to find.  i'll go look for it in cyberspace, and if i
find it, i'll post it.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 3:33 PM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: summer netters.

here's the list of all the people who said that they would be around
over the summer.  remember that alex isn't on this list, so if we
see any subscribe type things we have to be our own watchdogs.

Gregg Carrier            stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu  (as of june 15th)
Rick Thompson            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu  (as of june 1st)
Amy Orlando              orlanae9@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu
Ben Tanen                btanen@husc.harvard.edu
David W. MacLeay         dwmaclea@colby.edu / dwmaclea@aol.co
Blake Campbell           campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Daniel Blanchat          djb@iia.org
Benny Ferencz            bjammin@aol.com
Kerry Kreiger            kmk4g@virginia.edu
Brian Hauser             hauserbt@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Dave Culp                I12SNOSKI@AOL.COM
Joe Battaglia            lmorgan@uclink.berkeley.edu
Laura Morgan             lmorgan@uclink.berkeley.edu                    
Ben Sterling             nebuious@aol.com
Emily Conjura            (unknown at this point)

i think clare said she'd be around too, but i'm not sure.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 4:21 PM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 165

> dancing nancies as "turtles, turtles, turtles, and more turtles."

I STILL haven't figured this one out...Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors fits
that song well though.  But I had it labelled as So Happy...so maybe
Jeff or someone else I asked told me that.  Or maybe I made it up.  Who
knows.

Good luck on exams party people...peace, be safe.
Blake


Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 5:33 PM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: watchtower

Just a note regarding the tab file:

The watchtower that dmb does is musically different than those
done previously so that by "finding it in any guitar book" (or
something), you're not finding the actual tab.  If anyone
actually has this they should post it or send it to Shawn Peters
to be added to the tab file (and to me!).  Thanks.

Dan


Posted By: nebuious@aol.com
Time/Date: 7:05 PM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: Finally Got The CDs

Well, the 2 CDs finally arrived, and I have to say they sound really good,
even Recently, if only for those utterly psychopathic sounds Leroi gets out
of his sax during his solo during "Watchtower"

Overall, though, it sounds a bit like Dave has a COLD when he's singing on
CD.  I can't explain it, but it's twice as noticable on the studio tracks. 
he sounds congested.

Anyway, take away the ease of use on CDs, and I honestly prefer tapes over
CDs, but CDs are always a good thing to have songs on, as they obviously have
superior sound quality over audio tapes.

Anyway, I have a question to all you fix-it people:

During the process of taking off that really tight covering on my Recently
CD, I broke off one of the edges that holds the plastic that holds the
booklet onto the CD case.  If anyone knows how to fix it, send me song mail.
:)

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

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*  is quite unbearable.  It is hitting below   * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*  the intellect."         -Oscar Wilde        *  --   New York, NY  --  *
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Posted By: cbs8e@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:18 PM Wednesday, May 4, 1994
Subject: Re: I'm so happy...

     Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors is on the March 23, 1993 Trax show tape.  I
believe that was the date in March you were looking for.
               Adam


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:51 AM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: Saturday Show Time

In regards to the Saturday (May 7?) show at the Prism, it is listed as
beginning at 6pm and ending at midnight.  I have no idea who is actually
playing when, however.

Shawn Peters
gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
                       gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 10:03 AM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: watchtower tab

as far as watchtower goes, using the first song book you find prolly
would work.  the only parts you need worry about that you won't find
in a song book are:


                                     3        5
low e string:  5 5 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 1 1        3       (repeat)
                                      (^^^^^^^--somtimes he slides this)

which opens the song.  

for those of you who don't know the chord progression, it's
Am G  F  (G)

most versions jump back up to the g in parantheses, but dave usually
holds it at f.

during the sax solo and other parts he adds this:
                                        
Am G  F  C/?                           3
                                       0
                                       4
where c is slid up to ?, and ? is that 5 chord that anyone playing more
than two years starts using gratuitously all over the place.  (actually
it's just a really fast chord change.)

obviously this doesn't account for any rhythm patterns, but they should
be pretty easy to pick out.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 10:09 AM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: WTJU show yesterday!!!

     Last night (Wednesday), WTJU here in Charlottesville aired "The Dave and
Tim Show" as part of their annual folk marathon.  Apparently, the idea was to
turn the station over to Dave and Tim for three hours late at night and let
them play or do whatever they wanted.  They played a lot of music that had
influenced them in the past and music that they currently enjoyed listening
to.  However, the majority of the broadcast was filled with Dave and Tim
playing together in the booth.  I found out about the show and was able to
pop a tape in without losing more than a minute at the start of the show.  As
it turns out, I missed the last 30-40 minutes too, but that's another
story...
     I decided that if there was ever a time to contribute a pledge to the
station, it was now.  Since I was tired of studying for finals, I headed over
to the station to pay the money instead of phoning it in.  When I got to the
station, there was no one around in the offices.  I knew that there had to be
somebody about, but I didn't want to just walk in.  As I stood there trying
to decide what to do, a door opened behind me and Tim invited me in.  As it
turns out, all four of the people still at the station had all been in the
booth.  After paying my pledge, the woman working there indicated that I
could stay and listen if I wanted.  So, for the next two hours, I was able to
sit and listen to Dave and Tim play a few feet away.  They seemed to be
having a great time and enjoyed being incompetent with regards to the
equipment.  Tim's rantings were especially amusing, with the highlight being
his 10 minute attempt at a public service announcement.  It was really a
relaxed and funny atmosphere.  
     I don't have the setlist readily available; I haven't listened to the
tapes yet and I don't remember the list from memory.   I'll post it in the
next few days if anyone is interested.  From what I remember, they played
"Best of What's Around", "Recently", "Cry Freedom" (got to request this one),
"Two Step", "Song that Jane Likes", "Dancing Nancies", "Help Myself" (again,
requested), and they closed it up with "Minarets."  Tim also played "You Are
My Sanity" and maybe one other.  Together, they did a couple of improv bits
over Tim's playing.  There you go, sorry for being so long winded...

               Shawn Peters
               gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu

                       gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 2:36 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: Cry Freedom

Does anyone have any good quality cry freedoms that they would be 
interested in trading.  I have a few dat masters to trade.
Gray

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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 4:48 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: first gig

more info on the dave matthews band's first gig: it was at trax and 
somewhere in the neighboorhood of 20 people showed up.....

		....was anyone on minarets there?

alex crothers


Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 6:03 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: a little dream-diddy

disclaimer: anyone who knows me knows this dream is a remotely _sane_ dream 
compared to the contortions that my mind is capable of creating... 

i had a weird dream about the band last night.  the new bus (buzz buzz) was 
in it, lots of liqour, and this wierd soundboard in the middle of the hotel 
room. and i was smoking camel wides, (not my brand, but i know where this 
came from so it's not much of a concern...).
 hmmmm... does anyone know if the temperature of one's sleeping environment 
can have any effect on the mind in sleep? 
as long as the coffee's not in solid form, i'll drink it.
smiles and stress,
clare emily
 'get involved- life is not a spectator sport'
******************************************************************************                      
   i've got to find me some isolated mountain top to go sit on and spread
   my mind out past the industrial wastelands, out into the void, escape 
   gravity, leave behind the bounds of reality, go beyond the reaches of 
   time and space, cradle my soul in the arms of eternity.

                             cecliff@vt.edu
******************************************************************************


Posted By: Daniel_Gold@Brown.edu
Time/Date: 7:11 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: indecision grovel & need info how-to-subscribe-to-this-net

(1)

i would like to trade tapes or send blanks to someone for some live
Indecision.  I have only heard them once before & i'd like to hear more.

(2)

can someone please email me the instructions for subscribing and
unsibscribing to this network.  i just need the correct info so i can
forward it to some friends.  whoever knowss and reads this, could you
please email me the info instead of posting since i'm on the digest?

thanks for help on either item, folks!

love,daniel

I'm losing my email access on May 18th or so for the duration of the
summer.  If you need to get in touch, please do so ASAP, or contact me this
summer via voice or snail.

      If you'd like to trade tapes with me this summer, 
        please send your list to my summer snailaddress:

        	       	Daniel B. Gold / Greenfling
        	       	12600 Ridgehaven Road
        	       	Little Rock, AR        72211
        	       	(501) 227 0298

I have ARU, DMB, GD, Jambay, Phish, Shockra, WSP, + others to trade.
I'm looking for more HQ WSP (esp. 85, 87, 94;  5/1/92;  5/8/93;  7/17/93),
GD 60's-74, new ARU,  Rusted Root, Jambay, any Leftover Salmon, DMB (esp.
I.P. 3/26/94 and Memphis 3/31/94) live reggae, any others!  (please,
introduce me to more bands!)

        	       	***RUSTED***ROOT***


Posted By: nebuious@aol.com
Time/Date: 7:16 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: Here are the Watchtower lyrics...

These are taken from the lyrics given in the Jimi Hendrix guitar
transcription book of "Electric Ladyland"

Dave sings the last few verses twice or so (I think).
------------------------
All Along The Watchtower
------------------------

There must be some kind of way out of here
said the joker to the thief.
Too much confusion
I can't get no relief.
Business men they drink my wine
Plow men dig my earth
None will level on the vine
nobody of it is worth.

No reason to get excited
the thief he kindly spoke
There are many here among us
who feel that life is but a joke

But you and I we've been through that
And this is not our fate.
So let us not talk falsely now
the hour is getting late.

All along the watchtower
princes kept the view.
While all the women came and went
bare feet servants too.

Well outside in the cold distance
a wild cat did growl
Two riders were approaching
the wind began to howl.

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

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Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 8:11 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: Blake...get in touch...

Blake,
I'm still interested in those trades so call me at (703) 937 5896
I'm taking off until June 15 or so.
My address is now:
                  Rt. 1 Box 292D
                  Viewtown, VA 22807

Anyone I owe tapes to...I know and they'll be out before June...sorry 'bout all
this...my life has been in disarray lately...

************ What would you do if I ate your Daddy's shoes? ******************
*    Gregg Carrier  (aka Uncle Zany, the guy in the floppy green hat)        *
*    JMU Box 1734            stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu                   *
*    Harrisonburg, VA  22807          (703) JMU-KIND                         *
*********** What would you say if it was naturally for you? ******************


Posted By: STU_GJCARRIE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 8:24 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: to Blake...again...

Sorry Blak...that zip is 22746...
think I had it wrong...

************ What would you do if I ate your Daddy's shoes? ******************
*    Gregg Carrier  (aka Uncle Zany, the guy in the floppy green hat)        *
*    JMU Box 1734            stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu                   *
*    Harrisonburg, VA  22807          (703) JMU-KIND                         *
*********** What would you say if it was naturally for you? ******************


Posted By: collidt0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 10:03 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: COVER

                "THIS OL COWBOY" MARSHALL TUCKER BAND....IT WOULD BE FUNNY
AND ALSO THE FIDDLE IS AMAZING, ADD A SAX AND THE SONG WOULD BE VERY
ENTERTAINING......ANYONE HEARD IT?? 



------------------------------------------------------------------- But you
don't have to be that bright to qualify as a parakeet.  It's a two question
test, "Can you fly? Is your head smooth?  You're a parakeet."
-------------------------------------------------------------------


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 11:08 PM Thursday, May 5, 1994
Subject: Re: COVER

I don't know why, but this one just seems right to me:
A Day in the Life-The Beatles
Let me know what you think.
			-Adam Vann


Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 12:33 AM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: celestial beings from alabama

when's the last time the band played angel from montgomery?  (?and isn't 
this a john prine cover or am i not shuffling a full deck?) 
AND........ (ha ha ha ha....) when it was played who sang... boyd or dave? 
great harmony the two of them have going. grab a beer and chill on the 
front porch to it with your eyes closed. down home. th'ts right folks.
'i am an old woman...'

clare 'has-she-really-lost-her-mind' emily


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 12:41 AM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: dave's guitar

am i correct in assuming the guitar that dave plays is a gibson chet atkins?
gray

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Posted By: klong@sura.net
Time/Date: 8:41 AM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: question

My apologies for the waste of bandwidth here but could someone
post the sub/unsub procedures for me, please?  It might be a good
idea anyway since folks are leaving soon for the summer.  I merely
want to change my subscription info so I need both.  Thanks!

klong


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 9:44 AM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Covers.....

I think it would be especially entertaining if Dave would continue 
tossing verses of other songs into his own, ie Should I Stay or Should I 
Go (Clash) into Pay for What You Get, Dancin in the Streets into 
Recently, and Tommorow Never Knows (Beatles) into the beginning of 
Minarets. Another brainspasm....maybe Dave should revive the Sweet Home 
Alabama into Ants Marching from earlier last summer, makes a crowd go 
crazy, and makes me laugh out loud......Freebird perhaps???
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Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 10:09 AM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Re: COVER

>I don't know why, but this one just seems right to me:
>A Day in the Life-The Beatles

Wow, good suggestion!  It probably would have been cooler with
Peter, but I could still picture that...

Anybody ever heard "Take 5" by Buddy Rich (I think)?  Really cool
improv jazz number.  Lots of room for all of the members of the
band to shine.

-Dave


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:27 AM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Re: question

On Fri, 6 May 1994 klong@sura.net wrote:
> My apologies for the waste of bandwidth here but could someone
> post the sub/unsub procedures for me, please?  It might be a good
> idea anyway since folks are leaving soon for the summer.  I merely
> want to change my subscription info so I need both.  Thanks!

to subscribe to minarets, send the message, "subscribe minarets YOUR 
NAME" to listproc@moose.uvm.edu

to unsub, send the message, "unsubscribe minarets" to listproc

to digestify, send the message, "set minarets mail digest" to listproc

alex crothers


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 10:45 AM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Re: COVER

On Fri, 6 May 1994, David Forbis wrote:

> >I don't know why, but this one just seems right to me:
> >A Day in the Life-The Beatles
> 
> Wow, good suggestion!  It probably would have been cooler with
> Peter, but I could still picture that...


Thanks- It's good to know my thinking wasn't completely off the mark.
I hate to include non- DMB related material in a message, but I have a
favor to ask. It seems that UVa doesn't let outsiders into their email
directory. Could one of you kind Cavalier souls do me a favor and look up
my cousin- Matt Cohen. He's a junior, or, as you all like to say, a third
year student. Thanks a lot- email the reply directly.
Also- Will the band be back in the Md/Va area in May or June? I heard a
rumor of a late May Bayou show- is this true?
				-Adam Vann


Posted By: dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Time/Date: 10:50 AM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Oops

I think Adam intended for this to go to the whole net, not just me,
'cause I ain't no stinkin' Wahoo!  (no flames necessary)



On Fri, 6 May 1994, David Forbis wrote:

> >I don't know why, but this one just seems right to me:
> >A Day in the Life-The Beatles
> 
> Wow, good suggestion!  It probably would have been cooler with
> Peter, but I could still picture that...


Thanks- It's good to know my thinking wasn't completely off the mark.
I hate to include non- DMB related material in a message, but I have a
favor to ask. It seems that UVa doesn't let outsiders into their email
directory. Could one of you kind Cavalier souls do me a favor and look up
my cousin- Matt Cohen. He's a junior, or, as you all like to say, a third
year student. Thanks a lot- email the reply directly.
Also- Will the band be back in the Md/Va area in May or June? I heard a
rumor of a late May Bayou show- is this true?
				-Adam Vann


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:13 PM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Re: celestial beings from alabama

On Fri, 6 May 1994, clare emily clifford wrote:
> when's the last time the band played angel from montgomery?  (?and isn't 
> this a john prine cover or am i not shuffling a full deck?) 

i have angel on a GA Theatre tape from 11-30-93 opening set II with 
it....not sure if that's the last time but that's the latest tape i have 
with it....

alex crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:26 PM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Attn JMU students

before anymore JMU students write me asking how to unsubscribe themselve 
from minarets, here is is: your node must have changed in the middle of the 
year sometime so listproc doesn't recognize your new address and 
therefore doesn't think you're subscribed when you try to unsubscribe 
from that address.

your old address was jmuvax.bitnet and your new address is 
vax1.acs.jmu.edu so when you write listproc to unsubcribe you from 
your new address it thinks you're not subscribed.

i'd suggest resubscribing under your new address.  if listproc doesn't 
send you two copies of every post then everything should be fine and you 
all can unsubscribe without having me do everyone of you manually

this may have happened with some other nodes too so be aware of it if you 
try to unsubscribe and listproc says you aren't subscribed.

alex crothers


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 1:03 PM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Re: celestial beings from alabama

On Fri, 6 May 1994, J. A. Crothers wrote:

> On Fri, 6 May 1994, clare emily clifford wrote:
> > when's the last time the band played angel from montgomery?  (?and isn't 
> > this a john prine cover or am i not shuffling a full deck?) 
> 
> i have angel on a GA Theatre tape from 11-30-93 opening set II with 
> it....not sure if that's the last time but that's the latest tape i have 
> with it....
> 
> alex crothers
> 
That tape is actually 11/23/93.  

-Ben


Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 1:09 PM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: WARNING! IDIOT ON THE LOOSE!

I just sent a message that the November GA show was on the 23rd, not the 
30th.

Actually, it was on the 20th.

I will shut up now.

--Ben

--------------The simple smiles and good times seem all wrong----------------


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 1:33 PM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: i'm off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of id.

just a quick note to everyone on the net, and prospective lyrics
hunters, i'm off to richmond until june 1st and won't have net
access until then.  so, if you really need to get in touch with
me about a trade or something, call me at (804) 526-5321.

latah....

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  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
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Posted By: CONJURAEM@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 2:01 PM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: one netter who will still be around...

	On the summer netters list that Rick put out he said that I,
Emily Conjura didn't have an address..well it is the same as during the year

conjuraem@urvax.urich.edu

it's just that I will be telnetting from other sites, but all my mail
will still go there...so hope to hear from some of you.....

thanks..
em


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:48 PM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Setlist, 5/4 @WTJU

The setlist for the WTJU show Wednesday night was:

Recently
Blood of Our Children
Say Goodbye
Rhyme & Reason
Best of What's Around
You Are My Sanity
Cry Freedom
Two Step
Song That Jane Likes
Dancing Nancies
Help Myself
Minarets
                       gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:59 PM Friday, May 6, 1994
Subject: Blood of our Christmas Song

     To those who corrected me of the song title I posted, my apologies.  I
was writing the setlist down on an index card and simply put "blood", which,
due to my finals-induced diminished thought capacity, was simply typed in the
next day.  Yes, it is "Christmas Song" (although Dave actually used to
introduce it as Blood of our Children - my weak rationalization for my
mistake!).

     Shawn
                       gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu


Posted By: bdietz@acs.bu.edu
Time/Date: 9:22 AM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: Summer Dates?

Have there been any summer dates announced yet?  Are there going to be
any summer dates?

--Brian


Posted By: bdietz@acs.bu.edu
Time/Date: 9:24 AM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: 11-12-93

I'm looking for the 11-12-93 DMB and ARU show at the Paradise in Boston.
It was my first DMB and ARU show.  I know that one person out there has it,
but he seems to have forgotten about me.  If someone out there has the tapes
please get back to me.

--Brian


Posted By: pip@wam.umd.edu
Time/Date: 12:49 PM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: Covers & stuff

As for covers, there's a little-known band from Louisiana (or Alabama 
mabey) called Adley Madidafus.  They have a song called Leveeside which I 
think would sound great with Dave's voice.  Anybody ever heard of them? 

Secondly, I usually don't dwell on the "deeper meanings" of songs, but 
I'd be interested to hear how people interpret Dave's lyrics.

Have a good summer,
Pip

(Sean, how about a cover of "Picture Yourself"?)


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:23 PM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: Angel from Montgomery

     I have no idea when the last time the song was played, but when they do
it, Boyd usually sings the first two verses, Dave the last, and both on the
chorus.

     Shawn Peters

                       gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:32 PM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: the question about Dave's guitar

> am i correct in assuming the guitar that dave plays is a gibson chet
atkins?
> gray

     Yep.  One of the older SST models.  Play one sometime, they're cool. 
Wish I had LOTS of $$$$$$$$ to buy one...

                       gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 4:59 PM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: Re: Angel From Montgomery

I was told this was a Bonnie Raitt song.
Boyd sings the "I am an old woman" line, but in the past it's been sung by
Kristin Astbury  (1-19-93).

What is the Tomorrow Never Knows intro to Minarets?  
 --Kerry            
              **I love meatballs, so you better get ready**
                      ***Look who's in the freezer***


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 5:14 PM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: laura morgan

Laura from Berkeley, if you are still on the net, please write me; I lost
your address.     Kahhhh?
                  

 ---Kerry            
              **I love meatballs, so you better get ready**
                      ***Look who's in the freezer***


Posted By: bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 8:00 PM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: Re: last Angel

Well, I know Angel From Montgomery was played on April 22 at Denison
University in Ohio, as I was there. It was one of the best Angels I have heard
--  Boyd sounded good and was doing some extra violin soloing. LeRoi was
motioning to Dave and Boyd to hurry and finish the song so they could get in
the rest of their setlist before curfew (12:30) Angel is always a treat to
hear, and has become somehwat rare, but hasn't disappeared from the rotation
all together, like Spotlight, The Maker, Drive in Drive out, Exodus (although
I think I remember seeing this on a setlist from Memphis? recently). 

Anyway, Angel is a John Prine song that Bonnie Rait sings too.

Bob


Posted By: benjamin@sccs.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 8:48 PM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: subscribe

subscribe


Posted By: nebuious@aol.com
Time/Date: 10:28 PM Saturday, May 7, 1994
Subject: Recently a bad CD?

I've been listening to Recently non-stop, and can't see where many of you say
that it doesn't seem to fit well.

To me, if you take out the stupidity of the extremely cut "Recently", it's a
very good CD.

Starts with two acoustic songs, then goes into "Wachtower", which starts
REALLY light, gets REAL heavy, and then into the last song, "Halloween", one
of DMBs heaviest and most emotional songs.

To my twisted mind, it makes perfect sense.
Any thoughts of my rekindling this old topic?

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
* "I can stand brute force, but brute reason   *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*  is quite unbearable.  It is hitting below   * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*  the intellect."         -Oscar Wilde        *  --   New York, NY  --  *
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