Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 3:06 AM Sunday, May 8, 1994
Subject: recently, screaming, summermail
ben wrote: >To my twisted mind, it makes perfect sense. >Any thoughts of my rekindling this old topic? twisted? you? nahhhh... and i can say this being the queen-bee of twistedness.... i agree... it's a good cd. but it's great to have more dmb on disc, if nothing else. right? i also love nancies and warehouse as acoustic. not that i don't like them full band or anything, but it's certainly a sweetening change. i've got a nice two-step acoustic, and it's calming and more fun to sing to. anyway... i'm digressing, and we had the 'midnight scream' here at tech. at midnight during exams, all the students go outside, or hang out their windows, and blare music, flash strobe lights, and scream for about thirty minutes straight. nice little stress reliever. last semester, a few people wrapped themselves in saran-wrap and ran around the quad. very interesting... especially since it was december... and again... i'm digressing. i'll still have this account over the summer, i'll just be having it forwarded to my u of r address in r-mond. SEND ME MAIL!!!! gonna run. smiles and laughter, clare emily 'what happens if you're scared half to death..... twice?' ****************************************************************************** ___ A | | {*} | | __V__ |_|o_|%%%|0_ | | | | |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig ******************************************************************************
Posted By: Daniel_Gold@Brown.edu
Time/Date: 3:23 AM Sunday, May 8, 1994
Subject: exodus
>hear, and has become somehwat rare, but hasn't disappeared from the rotation >all together, like Spotlight, The Maker, Drive in Drive out, Exodus (although >I think I remember seeing this on a setlist from Memphis? recently). right,they played Exodus in Memphis 3/31/94, second set, a few days after the IP show. it was excellent. a much more spirited performance and song selection than the IP show (i saw both).
Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 4:17 PM Sunday, May 8, 1994
Subject: Re: Angel From Montgomery
On Sat, 7 May 1994, Uncle Ebenezer wrote: > What is the Tomorrow Never Knows intro to Minarets? I swear one time I was at Trax sometime early in this school year, and Dave sang some lyrics of Tommorow Never Knows at the very beginning of the song. The only way I recognize it is the Dead covered it at RFK this past summer. Dave still sings words in the same place now, but I swear this one time they were Beatles lyrics, maybe I'm wrong, who knows, it sounded real good though..... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford | |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu P.O.Box 322 | |Washington and Lee University Lexington, Va. 24450 | | | | "The future is no place to place your better days..." | | | |v3.1 |-) David Matthews | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
Posted By: shooper@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 4:25 PM Sunday, May 8, 1994
Subject: Angel played May 2
As far as I know, the last time the band played Angel from Montgomery was on May 2 in Knoxville at the Bijou. It was nice to hear it live for a change but the crowd seemed only to know "Remember Two Things" and a few knew "Recently." I don't think the setlist has been published and I'm sorry to say that I didn't write it down. But I can tell you that the first set was nearly all from Remember Two things except maybe for Best and Help Myself. The second set however was much better mainly because Dave began taking requests from the crowd. A few songs into the set he reminded everyone that this was his last east coast show before going into the studio and he wanted to know what everyone wanted to hear. He made some suggestions (One Sweet World, Halloween, Watchtower, Jimi Thing, Christmas Song, What would You Say). From these he played OSW, Watchtower, and Christmas song. Overall the show was pretty good; the second set definetly made up for the first. If anyone has or can get a tape to the show, I'd be interested in a trade. Thanks, Sandy
Posted By: bdietz@acs.bu.edu
Time/Date: 9:43 PM Sunday, May 8, 1994
Subject: Lexington tapes
I'm looking for the DMB set of the Lexington PHiSH show. I have over 100 hours of PHiSH including the recent Flynn, UMass, Patriot Center, UDel, 3rd night of Beacon, Binghampton, Lexington, and Buffalo shows. I also have over 50 hours of DMB, Blues Traveler, Spin Doctors, ARU, WSP, Dead, Pealr Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, U2, and Billy Joel. --Brian
Posted By: jrs@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Time/Date: 10:33 PM Sunday, May 8, 1994
Subject: Re: poi dog pondering
howdy y'all, sorry for responding to this so late, but my net access is very limited these days. thanks, cindy, for clearing some things up. i'll keep this short, but i just wanted to clarify some things in case anyone cares. (i know there are some rusted root fans on here, and rr is considered very 'poi-ish.') - poi dog pondering originated in honolulu. they ventured to the mainland, eventually settled in austin, shifted members and eventually got a record deal. 3 full-length albums were released while they were based in texas, but their sound was still very much hawaiian-influenced. frank orrall is hawaiian and i think ted cho, who played mandolin and guitar, was, too. - about a year and a half ago or so, poi moved up to chicago because it served them better musically and because frank fell in love with brigid murphy. several members opted not to make the move. the band now features lots of chicago-based musicians. there will always be hawaiian influences because that is a very big part of who frank is. (just takes a quick glance at his lyrics to see that.) but the band has a funky, semi-jazzy flare as well. brigid joined the band as a sax player - she's an integral part of the setup now, and not just a tagalong significant other. - very recently poi started their first tour in well over a year, but after a few weeks, brigid's cancer relapsed and frank called off the tour. if anyone has any questions about poi dog, drop me a line. if i can't answer it, i know people who can. write me at aq876@Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU. i wish more people had gotten to see this tour. i saw their two homecoming shows here in austin and i still get chills and think their live sets are akin to spiritual transformations. :) jen
Posted By: klong@nysernet.ORG
Time/Date: 7:46 AM Monday, May 9, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 169
Hey, everybody. I was driving north through PA on Saturday and I think I heard DMB being played on the Scranton/Univ. of PA radio station. Unfortunately, the signal died before the set was over and I heard for sure. But I thought it was great to hear DMB on the radio. Any Scranton folks subsribe to Minarets and can confirm my "sighting"? klong
Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 5:18 PM Monday, May 9, 1994
Subject: need a band name
sorry if you think this is cluttering up the net but... my band needs a name! so, what better place to search, i thought, than minarets (well, and the phishnet). anyway, please send me any names you can think of! my email address is: spice@dickinson.edu i'll make up a list of all the responses i get and post it back to the net if anyone's interested. thank you... reid spice@dickinson.edu
Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 7:20 PM Monday, May 9, 1994
Subject: dats
does anyone know where i can ftp to get the latest market posting of dat-heads, or the address to subscribe to dat heads thanks gray =:|\Pinnacle Online - Open and dynamic Internet services:= =:|o\. | | | ______ := =:|_/||\ ||\ | |\.| __ | Voice: 804/498.3889 email: info@pinn.net:= =:| || \|| \| o | \| \_ .| Data: 804/498.9762 login: guest or new :=
Posted By: ajs13@cornell.edu
Time/Date: 7:42 PM Monday, May 9, 1994
Subject: Unknown Venue and Date
Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out where and when this tapes is from. I think it may be a second set from the Trax, but I am not sure. Here is the setlist: ? ? All Along the Watchtower Bring Me an Angel Tripping Billies One Sweet World The Song That Jane Likes Lie in Our Graves Typical Situations Satellite Recently Dancing Nancies Halloween Thanks for the help. Andy
Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 7:45 PM Monday, May 9, 1994
Subject: 11/9/93--
11/9/93-- Dave does three solo tunes. Say Goodbye, ???, Christmas Song. WHAT IS THAT SECOND SONG? Come on, help me out here folks. -ben --------------The simple smiles and good times seem all wrong----------------
Posted By: HAUSERBT@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Time/Date: 9:22 AM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: Polite tape grovel
I was hoping with summer being here that one of you Northerners with a load of tapes could perhaps spin a tasty SBD show with some of the more unfamiliar tunes. I have R2T, Recently and the Bayou show that was treed a while back and that's all, and I'd really like some more, please. So if any of you have some extra time and would be willing, I'd appreciate it tremendously...Thanks for listening to me grovel. Brian hauserbt@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 1:27 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: Ne worleans: tape???
the subject should read The Boot: New Orleans Friday April 29 a friend would really appreciate getting a copy of that show. the lyrics to Say Goodbye [formerly Quick lay and goodbye, just for tonight] that night really struck this guy and he'd like to have the show to listen to. i'd offer a two for one trade. i can offer some rarities as enticement. even if you don't have the tape but know of it somewhere, let me know. word has it that Bagby didn't tape it so.....there may not be a tape. if anyone saw tapes there could you let me know so i know my search isn't fruitless. alex crothers
Posted By: WIFOY@apollo.davidson.edu
Time/Date: 2:31 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: Recently...
Hi folks out there! I'm a relatively new DMB fan. I first heard of them when I heard them at a concert for all the fraternities and eating houses here on campus at Davidson College last fall. I have absolutely no recordings of them save for Remember and I just got Recently yesterday and I must say regardless of the criticisms of the edit #2 of the title track, it's still a great effort, IMHO. It may all boil down to the simple truth that we like what we first hear. When I buy an album, I invariably always like the first track evne if I hate the rest of it[but then I wouldn't buy it]. record companies know this and put the better of several "good"/"great" tracks at the beginning to capitalize on this. The point here being that you like the first bit you hear usually. I never knew that All Along .. could be *that* special! If anyone [besides you, Greenfling] has recordings of *any* shows that you think a new fan should have, or know of anywhere to get cd recordings[as I am a POOR college student with no DAT to play with] of DMB stuff, like specific record shows, etc. then email me before the 18th or send snail mail to Will Foy PO Box 2151 Davidson NC 28036 and we'll talk about getting you some blanks etc, as I again have little to trade. In a non-DMB note, do any of you guys like everything? I see no mention of everything which is a really good DC based band and I'm surprised that the fanbase from the VA area has never talked about them...Any boots there? I do have a boot from the soundboard from Davidson's PiKA show '93,but it's a 2nd or 3rd gen. analog, so the quality is good if you turn your stereo WAY up. Now that I've rambled enough, I'll shut up and let you fine folks go back to your business. Good luck on exams for all you fellow crazy college kids! Indebted, in your debt, and just plain *in debt*, Will [Send me snail mail about tapes please! Help a new boot collector out!] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RUSH rem MATTHEWSWEET everything BIGHEADTODD davematthewsband BLUESTRAVELER Phi Gamma Delta-Davidson [Delta Kappa] iN ReaL lIFe:=will foy '96 Go Heels! Go Cats! Go Braves! "So please concoct me some pill I can take when I think of something clever to say."- John Popper of Blues Traveler in "Whoops" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted By: cecliff@vt.edu
Time/Date: 3:04 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: summer's here, we're swimming in the river...
a note to all on the net, i'm leaving tomorrow to go home for the summer. this account will still be operational, but i'll be doing most of my personal stuff through my university of richmond account. so i'll be in touch from there. if you need to get in touch fast, call me at 804.747.5456, any hour. about trades, get in touch, or i'll do so. about the article file, well... i'll see what i can do. now...'excuse me while i kiss the sky' smiles to all. be jubilant. clare emily a few personals: -boofy...my journal, my savior... 'you light up my life, you shining star..' -rick.. wait, i'll see you in a few days?!? black pools, and phish backrubs. -dave'cherryjam': otis spunkmeyer will live on... coffee r-trips and snores. -benji... no, I'M twisted.. okay, alright... spunky...wait, 'colorful...' -wacky sue... hugs. oh... that spin cycle?...it's not physically possible unless you're on something. -jamie... we're still waiting... pray for it on the rca release. -reid... wine, smokes, and you... what more can i say? i owe you... and i've got your cutlery. -passal: 'chasin me all around, leading me all around in circles...' butterfly kisses...here we come barbados... ****************************************************************************** 'you know you say things are "much of a muchness"- did you ever see such a thing as a drawing of a muchness?' cecliff@vt.edu ******************************************************************************
Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 4:01 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: everything..?
> In a non-DMB note, do any of you guys like everything? I see no mention of > everything which is a really good DC based band and I'm surprised that the > fanbase from the VA area has never talked about them...Any boots there? I do i'd like to hear some opinions about this band too.... alex crothers
Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 4:20 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: New Orleans = Knoxville, TN
i've included the original message below but i have to make one change. it was not the New Orleans show my friend was after but the show on May 2 at the Bijou Theatre in Knoxville, TN .............was anyone there?? everything still stands with the offer below only i need any info about the Knoxville show instead.... alex crothers --------------------------------------------------------- the subject should read The Boot: New Orleans Friday April 29 a friend would really appreciate getting a copy of that show. the lyrics to Say Goodbye [formerly Quick lay and goodbye, just for tonight] that night really struck this guy and he'd like to have the show to listen to. i'd offer a two for one trade. i can offer some rarities as enticement. even if you don't have the tape but know of it somewhere, let me know. word has it that Bagby didn't tape it so.....there may not be a tape. if anyone saw tapes there could you let me know so i know my search isn't fruitless. alex crothers
Posted By: @mwbbmsg.attmail.com:rie!4399
Time/Date: 5:03 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: oops...p.s.
i forgot to tell you my name...i'm christopher
Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 5:03 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: Everything....TheNet
TO any e: fans... I've seen Everything quite a few times here and there and they're pretty decent. I have a few diehard friends who love them, but as of yet, they have not caught on for me. Their and Boy O Boy's horn section had a stellar performance with Dave at the Lake Matoaka show in a huge Recently jam that ended a fine, but cut short performance. They have a funny mailer with the most random stuff on it and the Superfly Merchandise ordering form, but I don't have the address on hand. Their disc is pretty good, (I forgot the name). I am plannin in my un-so-ample time to get a tape of their performance (along with dave's) from Matoaka, but I have a few busy weeks left in school and my trader (Blake from the net) is nowhere to be found. Thats my 2 cents on a pretty good band...contact me if your interest in the tapes, but who knows when I'll get them, I'll have e-mail access till about June 1.... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford | |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu P.O.Box 322 | |Washington and Lee University Lexington, Va. 24450 | | | | "The future is no place to place your better days..." | | | |v3.1 |-) David Matthews | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
Posted By: collidt0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 5:18 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: once again how to usubscribe
well how do i do it???? ------------------------------------------------------------------- But you don't have to be that bright to qualify as a parakeet. It's a two question test, "Can you fly? Is your head smooth? You're a parakeet." -------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted By: kartzman@sas.upenn.edu
Time/Date: 5:34 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: Jimi Thing Question
Well, I tried unsuccessfully to unsubscribe, so I figured I'd ask why it didn't work for me while also asking a burning question that I've had for quite some time now: Is "Jimi Thing" about getting head? I didn't make this up, rather I heard it from a friend of a friend of Dave, so I'm asking you for confirmation. At first, I doubted it, but after relistening to a few versions, what do you think he means by "take a taste of what's below..."? Also, if anyone wants to trade a nice sounding copy of the Irving Plaza show from 3/26, I've got twelve nice sounding DMB tapes. Feel free to express your opinion to me. I've got way too much time on my hands since finals ended... Check you later, TK _________________________________________________________________ Ted Kartzman kartzman@mail.sas.upenn.edu 4000 Pine St. _________________________________________ Philadelphia, PA | "Sometimes I walk there, yes god knows | 19104-4027 | sometimes I take a bus there" - dave | _________________________________________________________________
Posted By: cbs8e@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 6:54 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: studio dave
I got a tape from a friend that is just Dave acoustic definitely in a studio. There are various studio noises so I am sure about that. I'd like to know the date on it though if anyone has any info. It has to be a few years old as it has the old version of Sattelite, After Her, on it. Here's the list: Best of What's Around Recently Cry Freedom Tripping Billies Song that Jane Likes I'll Back You Up What Would You Say After Her Lover Lay Down One Sweet World Typical Situation Thanks Adam
Posted By: bjammin@aol.com
Time/Date: 11:11 PM Tuesday, May 10, 1994
Subject: Acoustic Junction
Heard that Acoustic Junction is or already did open for Dave Matthews Band. Acoustic Junction puts on a really great show. Anyone know the name of the band playing at the exstravaganja at UMASS the day of the Phish show. I'll be on the net all summer and im always up for DMB trades. Oh yeah the point. Are Dave and Tim tapes scarce. Are they not supposed to be traded. Does the band want the tapes out or what's the story. If you have Poi Dog Pondering Bootlegs or I just got an Indigo Girls tape from when they opened for the Grateful Dead. "I Didn't Get Where I Wanted To Go, I Did Enjoy The Ride" Watch your Peas and Q's Benny
Posted By: WIFOY@apollo.davidson.edu
Time/Date: 12:07 AM Wednesday, May 11, 1994
Subject: e:
and in other news.... Since I started this everything thread, I'll post what little I know. 1) See them live! Their disc is great, but it compares to them little when their music is heard live! It's the same with DMB! 2) The current disc is "sol [bullet] id" and the cover features the familiar e: logo with a sun and a moon for the e and top part of the : respectively, while the bottom is the symbol for the "Tao" or that which cannot be spoken. The cover art is cool. 3) They are currently working on a new studio/live album and have great new material. 4) Live style: I would characterize them as a very energetic audience oriented band. They want you to "Jump!" during "Soulfish" their capstone song, and to groove with every beat. They switch lead singers a lot and the only guy I can't recall ever singing is the keyboard/trombone player, as all of them play at least two instruments. The guitarist plays some mean fills and the drummer is first rate[although Neil Peart he is not! :)]. Boots abound! I have a poor quality boot of the spring '93 show here at PiKA[groan :)] and will be seeing them next week when they come to Ziggy's in Winston-Salem[my hometown, home of Don Dixon, Let's Active, Mitch Easter and the Drive-In as well as such terrible corporate moguls as RJR tobacco]. Also some other cool HORDE bands will be/have/are playing this summer. Leftover Salmon is playing sometime next month and Cracker and Counting Crows have played earlier this term. The boot policy is random, really depends on the mood of the management and the mood of the band. e: will be playing many beach club dates this summer so while you're out baking your body and getting skin cancer, go see them while your back recovers from the terrible burn you got that night. 5) Composition: Keyboard, Drum, Lead singer, Sax player/Bassist, and Lead Guitar = 5 guys plus extras if they add to them. Keyboardist plays trombone as well as some other stuff. Lead singer plays a little drum and guitar and trumpet. Percussionist plays some guitar[I think] and sings really well. Sax player plays percussion extras like whistles in Soulfish, Sax, bass, trumpet etc. The lead guitar sings, and plays some random horn instrument and maybe harmonica. 6) Sets: they played from 10:30 till about 3:00 when they played here last in three sets with about a 20 minute break. Pretty good for a college show and the energy never stopped. I guess I would be classified as a diehard fan, but they have considerable talent, and are learning to write better lyrics. Example: The Everyday Syndrome which is a classic live too! Next time they play your area, get out and JUMP. Sorry to waste the bandwidth on e: on a DMB newsletter, but you asked for it![and so did I] Peace! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RUSH rem MATTHEWSWEET everything BIGHEADTODD davematthewsband BLUESTRAVELER Phi Gamma Delta-Davidson [Delta Kappa] iN ReaL lIFe:=will foy '96 Go Heels! Go Cats! Go Braves! "So please concoct me some pill I can take when I think of something clever to say."- John Popper of Blues Traveler in "Whoops" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 5:52 PM Wednesday, May 11, 1994
Subject: Lyrics for Warehouse or #36?
ummm, does anybody have these? Please post or email me! Thanks! | / \ Brian +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |Brian Lipman <chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu> ( @ @ ) ---------------- | |Northwestern University { ! } | BL SCR | | |1820 Chicago Ave #3002 | ( \ / ) | UE EEN | | |Evanston, Illinois 60201-3856 / \ ( \__/ ) ---------------- | |Ladies and Gentleman...On Drums...Mr. Ernest Gissepe Anastasio -Henrietta| +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:53 PM Thursday, May 12, 1994
Subject: Re: e
The keyboardist/trombone players sings too ---Kerry **I love meatballs, so you better get ready** ***Look who's in the freezer***
Posted By: mxgall@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 10:57 AM Friday, May 13, 1994
Subject: e:
I've seen these guys a few times and they are damn good. Probably one of the few bands that can sell out the Bayou two nights in a row and not make much of an impression in SE Va. Their Bayou shows are the best I've been to...very intense and draining! Check 'em out...
Posted By: jjthomps@slate.Mines.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 1:40 PM Friday, May 13, 1994
Subject: Last Nights Boulder Show
Well, what can I say - best I've seen in Colorado (best of 4 shows) I'm really looking forward to seeing them at Red Rocks again tonight and tomorrow (they played there once before with the samples and got me hooked. Anyway on to the set list, in no particular order, and not including R2T songs (though Minarets was quite intense along with Ants and others) but I was definately more interested in songs that I have read about here, but not heard live, and I have not gotten a hold of any tapes (hint, hint for trades from my meager collection). Dave was good about introducing the songs that aren't on either CD - True Reflections (a new favorite), Warhouse, Pay For What You Get, Best of Whats Around, Typical Situation, What Would You Say (he mentioned that they hadn't decided whether or not it will be on the next album.), Watchtower (encore and quite a crowd response), Rhyme and Reason, and I think they opened with part of #36, thats all I can remember right now. I ordered a DAT on Monday, and the guy assured me it would be here by Thursday (day of the show) but the guy lied - so rather than taping, I was dancing (just as much fun but doesn't last as long as a good recording, so what I'm asking for is any copy of the show. :) Hopefully I'll get my recorder soon and catch Laguna Seca Daze, and Soulhat, and Phish, snd the Spin PhDs later in the Summer. Anyway, adios, Jason (Mr. Wirehead)
Posted By: CORRBEAR@aol.com
Time/Date: 12:32 PM Saturday, May 14, 1994
Subject: subscribe
can anyone please help me subscribe to the digest...i've been having trouble figuring it out.... if you can help me, i'll give you a free tape or something... thanks peace bear
Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 12:57 PM Saturday, May 14, 1994
Subject: trade for #34 anyone?
Hey y'all. Through a stroke of good luck and bad planning I am soon going to get two copies of 3/17/93 DMB stright from DAT. I don't need them both so I'd like to trade one pair for two other tapes. They can be anything I don't have, but I'de really like to get some more versions of #34. If anyone is interested, get back to me. -Ben --------------The simple smiles and good times seem all wrong----------------
Posted By: btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Time/Date: 3:14 PM Saturday, May 14, 1994
Subject: trade offeer closed!
Well, thanks for playing y'all. I found a person to swap with! --Ben --------------The simple smiles and good times seem all wrong----------------
Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 11:07 PM Saturday, May 14, 1994
Subject: Recently 'Watchtower' solo
I have yet another question for all you know it alls: On the Recently CD, Leroi's solo is absolutely psychotic, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if that was a special one or are they all like that except the other ones that _I_ have? Anyway, the lack of traffic is quote astounding. Do we need those JMUers THAT much? :) Ben just another memo from the cellar, ************************************************************************** * "I can stand brute force, but brute reason * -- Ben Sterling -- * * is quite unbearable. It is hitting below * -- Nebuious@aol.com -- * * the intellect." -Oscar Wilde * -- New York, NY -- * **************************************************************************