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Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 1:08 PM Sunday, September 4, 1994
Subject: Re: dave

> Dave broke his G string at the very beginning of Billies, and played the
> guitar the whole time, which lead to some strange faces as dave tried to
> figure out new ways to play some parts.
> 
I didn't know dave wore a g string.
--kerry


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 1:47 PM Sunday, September 4, 1994
Subject: New Album News (?)

I thought I'd share some more news I got recently at Jones Beach- If what 
I'm telling you all is already common knowledge, could someone please 
kindly inform me. Thanks.
	I talked to Dave again at the Jones Beach HORDE show, and asked 
him a few more questions about the album. The following is what I can 
piece together from our two conversations in the past week:
Ants Marching
Satellite
Best of What's Around
Pay for What You Get
Jimi Thing
Song #34
Rhyme and Reason
Help Myself
What Would You Say

And 3 more tunes that I can't remember right now, but if you ask about a 
song it might come back to me. There's nothing "new," that is, all the 
songs he mentioned were very familiar. He told me they tried to spread 
out the selections evenly over the brief history of DMB.
	I'm guessing that none of this is news to you. He did mention 
some otehr stuff that might be interesting to know, however. First, he 
assured me that the new record contract would not affect the band's 
current taping policy. I also asked him if he knew about this net group. 
He smiled somewhat modestly and nodded, and then discussed the 
possibility of floating a few unreleased songs on the net to those of us 
with CD- ROM access (I'm no computer expert, so dont ask me). Finally, he 
told me that at fall shows the band would return to the two set format 
whenever possible (I was worried after the Hammerjacks show in Balt.). 
	Please forgive me if all of this is old or uninteresting news. I 
just returned to the net last week, and have no idea what you all know or 
don't know. Let me know where you all stand.
				-Adam


Posted By: droush@sas.upenn.edu
Time/Date: 4:36 PM Sunday, September 4, 1994
Subject: FAQ!?

Hello there--

I tried to send a message to Rick Thompson, stu_thomps@vaxl.acs.jmu.edu,
to get the FAQ, but the mail is bouncing.  Could someone w/ a FAQ send me
a copy?


mucho thanks,
dave
droush@sas.upenn.edu


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 4:39 PM Sunday, September 4, 1994
Subject: uttad

i just sent out the faq to a coupla people, and realized that the
faq has not been updated in something like 8 months, which means it
has absolutley no mention of the new cd in it.
so, if some kind soul could forward me a copy of the setlist along with
any info you might have on it, i'd be much obliged.

as far as the lyrics file goes, i'm working on getting it all tied 
together.  don't have much time for these things this semester, but
i'm making a few corrections, and i've added rhyme or reason, a version
of #36 and drive in drive out, and i'm still hoping to get a good 
two step before too long.  the problem with two step, though, is that
he only sings 3 different verses during the song (repeating as he feels
necessary) but has 4 or 5 different verses written for it, and i'm
trying to figure out how to interpret it.  hmmmmmmm.  (not to mention
the fact that i or somebody else actually needs to sit down and work
it out.....have you done that clare?  i forget)

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 7:01 PM Sunday, September 4, 1994
Subject: Help Myself Transcription

The following is courtesy of
Ben Sterling (nebuious@aol.com)

Help Myself
-----------

Intro

e--------------      -----------------------------|
B--------------      -----------------------------|
G--------0-----      -----------------------------|
D--2--4--0----- etc  --------4--2--------4--2--5--|
A--2--4--------      --2--3--------2--3-----------|
E--------------      -----------------------------|


Verse

e-------------------------------------------------|
B-------------------------------------------------|
G-------------------------------------------------|
D-----------------3--------4--2--------4--2--5----|
A-----4--5-----4-----2--3--------2--3-------------|
E--3--------5-------------------------------------|


Bridge

"oooh colder grow the days"

   A   E               A   E

e-------------------------------------------------|
B--2-------------------2--------------------------|
G--2---1---------------2---1----------------------|
D--2------2-----2------2------2-------------------|
A--0---------4-----4---0---------5--5--5--4--2----|
E------0-------------------0----------------------|


Pre-Chorus

For some reason I can't seem to get the chords to sound right...

"summer's here..."

    A   G   D/F# G

e-------3---2----3-----------|
B---2---3---3----3-----------|
G---2---0---2----0-----------|
D---2---0---0----0-----------|
A---0---2---0----2-----------|
E-------3---2----3-----------|

Chorus

"Dangerous hours"

Same as the intro




Ben (new owner of the chords file)


just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
*        "We shed a tear that one day we       *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*           may no longer need them."          * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*                - Dave Matthews               *  --   New York, NY  --  *
**************************************************************************


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 8:14 PM Sunday, September 4, 1994
Subject: Re: New Album News / an old post of mine . . .

topic #1
Adam writes:

>        I talked to Dave again at the Jones Beach HORDE show, and asked
>him a few more questions about the album. The following is what I can
>piece together from our two conversations in the past week:
>Ants Marching
>Satellite
>Best of What's Around
>Pay for What You Get
>Jimi Thing
>Song #34
>Rhyme and Reason
>Help Myself
>What Would You Say
>
>And 3 more tunes that I can't remember right now, but if you ask about a
>song it might come back to me. There's nothing "new," that is, all the
>songs he mentioned were very familiar. He told me they tried to spread
>out the selections evenly over the brief history of DMB.

Well, let me add, just for the sake of completion, the following three
tunes which will likely appear (or definitely, as the case may be) on
_Under The Table And Dreaming_:

Say Goodbye (they worked it into a full-band version, right?)
Warehouse (trust me)
Dancing Nancies (trust me again)

>                                -Adam

Incidentally, I STILL can't believe #34 and Best of What's Around are going
to be on an album.  Ah, ain't life grand?

-----------------

topic #2
(this is a post of mine from 8/31 which I don't think ever got to the net):

>Hi everyone.
>
>I went to the HORDE at Jones Beach today.  Dave and the guys played for only
>>about a half-hour (maybe a little more).  A rather uninspiring set in my
>>opinion-- they were just getting going when they finished with a stock
>version >of Ants Marching.
>
>Anyway, after the set was over, it began to get interesting.
>
>Info: In June I went to Athens/Superjam and took some nice pictures.  I
>brought >them today to show the guys.  ARU got a kick out of the ones I took
>of them >that day when I saw THEM last week, so I figured why not!  I got to
>Boyd first >and he flipped through them quickly, complained about how bad he
>looked, signed >one, took two others, and he was off.
>
>Later I got Carter's attention and we wound up talking for a while.  He signed
>>a picture for me and then he asked me to sign one of the one's I took for
>him.  >While we were just shooting the bull, he told me one particularly
>interesting >detail:
>
>They'll be a doing a sort of 'fall tour' after the album comes out.  Tim
>>Reynolds WILL be joining the band for this entire tour!  I specifically asked
>>about Boston and Carter said in early November they'd be up that way.  Cool.
>

[update: turns out to be 10/8/94.  see you THERE!]

>It should be really interesting how the band develops over the course of this
>tour with another player night-in and night-out.
>
>Not much else to report.  In my opinion, the HORDE tour is a mere shadow of
>the >extravaganza it was two years ago.  That's life.
>
>Bye for now,
>Ben
>


That's all.

--Ben


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 3:31 AM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: Boofy and his two cents

I am hiccuping like a champ, but amy way
Say good bye on disc, should be killer, I say compare it tp Hampfen 
Sydeny 1rst tume, no lyrics the same, just lookd through lrgs, and found 
Satellite (after her ) best fucking shit   anyone got a date on that 
..................
???????????????????????

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Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 6:23 AM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: Fall Dates from the hotline-- the best I can do

Once again I called the hotline whilst sitting at my Mac.  I can't type so
fast, so here's what I managed to get . . .


9/26 Launch Party @ Crossroads: Dave acoustic, Shannon Worrell, Kristin
Asbury, and someone else whose name I didn't recognize . . .

9/27 CD comes out!  YIPPEE!

[all these w/ From Good Homes opening unless otherwise noted]

9/27 UVA Amphitheater
9/28 The Floodzone
9/29 The Ritz
9/30 Roseland
[a Theater of the Living Arts, Phila. PA date in here!]
10/3 New Haven
10/5 Montreal
10/6 Toronto
10/7 Pittsburgh (opening for Rusted Root)
10/8 Boston
10/9 Providence
10/11 Northampton
10/12 OOPS!  Missed it.


Enjoy you all.

--Ben


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 11:12 AM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: 'pass auf!'

that's german, i am such a scholar... 
(ps- it helps having lived there for many years [wink])

okay...
here's my point.
34? 
nope.
you were maybe thinking 36 (it has been played w/in teh last month. ie: 8/13)
so my venture is to say 36 has a better chance on the album than 34. 
but i'll call again, on the honorable rick to give clarification on the little
discussion that pursued on this topic... oh... say month ago, maybe?
(you remember this one, don't you bss?)

say goodbye?
nope.
not on the album, although it has been worked into a beautiful bongo sounding
full band wonder. but nix on it being on the album.

warehouse: yes.
two step: yes.
wwys: yes.
ants: yes.
jimithing: yes.
best: yes.
r&r: yes.
pay4: mmmmmm.... maybe. (remember, i made this guess back in may) if it's on
   the album, it'll be full band, with roi on flute.

blake is here shouting in the background about #34.  he adamantly wants me to
make his point clear. he say's 'bullshit'. 

oh.... dancing nancies: yes.
satillite: yes.

buford... what's with the frequency of your inebriated posts?
okay.. i've rambled enough....
smiles, hugs, pancakes, and evian...
  clare emily


********************************************************************************
                      'i am a goddess, not your mother'
                                -b.scott.s-                                 

                   cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: WOTTONGM@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Time/Date: 2:15 PM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: info on thw album

Through a friend that works at RCA, I have heard a promotional 
of the new album.  The songs on the promo are wwys,warehouse,
jimi thing, R&R, best of..., and dancin nanacies.  it sounds
really good, althogh it takes a little getting used to.  There seems
to be a synthesizer track on wwys and on warehouse.  John Popper
makes an appearance on wwys. Tim can be heard on warehouse. R&R
is the best in my opinion.  I think that everyone will like it.
I think that I may be getting the entire CD in a few days. I'll let yall
know the rest of the songs.         Gordon


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 2:16 PM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: This isn't important, it's scary

So there I am.

15th street & Union square... The Wiz.  My friend over somewhere probably
deciding between aerosmith, ace of base, or some other friendly little mtv
band, and i'm scanning new CDs for no reason.  So, somewhere between The
Division Bell and Voodoo Lounge, my heart stops.

It's sitting right there.
Tons of them.
They're crawling with yellow SALE $11.99 stickers.
Remember Two Things, in all its Bama Raga Glory.

Now, the only explanation I can think of is that the Wiz sponsors shows at
Irving Plaza, and Irving Plaza is about 300 feet away from this particular
Wiz, but I still can't believe I saw it.  This place doesn't have Lawn Boy
(by Phish), but they have R2T!

Giants Stadium, here I come...

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
*        "We shed a tear that one day we       *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*           may no longer need them."          * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*                - Dave Matthews               *  --   New York, NY  --  *
**************************************************************************


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 2:20 PM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: Re: 'pass auf!'

oh.. two more things...

1-lover lay down.. yes, on the album. and carter says that he feels it's the
  best song on the album.
2-i am still running the article/interview file... but as of present i am
  having some problems with my va tech account, so i can't access the file, so
  i can't send it out.. but everything should be ironed out shortly.. adn when
  that happens, i'll post it.  also... if anyone has any articles or interviews
  to offer... let me know.. and we'll work something out. 

hugs adn kisses, 
clare emily


********************************************************************************
                      'i am a goddess, not your mother'
                                -b.scott.s-                                 

                   cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:53 PM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: Say Goodbye on album

Just thought I'd add  that Dave did say on 7/28 at the Irving
Plaza show (which I have audio proof of) that Say Goodbye would
be on the new album.  

Just trying to help.

Dan


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 4:23 PM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: #34, #36, what's the difference

no clare.  your WRONG!  ;)

i would sooner believe that #34 will be the one, because it's such
a beautiful song that has no exposure.  i think that's why he wants
to put it on the cd, as well as the fact that it's a much more solid
song than #36.  it has a more defineable form as well as set lyrics,
whereas #36 is just a free-for-all jam with made up lyrics, not to
mention that it gets repetitive.  repetitive can be cool at a live
show when your watching how much fun the band and the audience are 
having, but it doesn't work to well on disc.  
#34 was (is) a song that doesn't grab the audience right away, it 
just kind of grows on you, so it never really got a tremendous 
reception when he wrote it.  it was after a few tapes got circulating
and people could really listen to the song that they really started
to like it.  more or less, he's specifically saved this one (as
well as rhyme and reason, imho) for the cd, so he could get the
song out to people so they can hear it. 

ps- for all you people who have asked for the lyrics file in  the
past two weeks, i'm just about ready to send a copy to everyone who's
signed up for the mailing list over the past year, and then you'll
have a full set of dmb lyrics (sans two step, currently.  i think
someone sent two step to me, but i lost it.  (don't ask me how i lost
a computer file.  it happens:))

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: bkingswe@nyx10.cs.du.edu
Time/Date: 4:55 PM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: Re: #34, #36, what's the difference

I thought #36, altough the lyrics are pretty random and not developed, 
was about Cris Harmony, a civil rights activist in South Africa who was 
killed.  The story I heard (don't remember how, though) was they they 
heard this during a sound test before a show and 'wrote' the song then.  
Or maybe it was just dedicated to him.

Anyone know the real story?

Also, Say Goodbye.  Wasn't the name (assumed to be) Quick lay and 
Goodbye, then I thought it was heard officially that it was Just For 
Tonight, but now everyone's calling it Say Goodbye.  Did I miss something 
over the summer? :)

thanks.
brett


-- 
Brett Kingswell              
bkingswe@nyx.cs.du.edu / bmking@mail.wm.edu
i don't know why people are so stuck up and only write songs about people.
this one's about my dog.


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 5:12 PM Monday, September 5, 1994
Subject: Re: #34, #36...

thanks, rick... i love you dearly, too...
maybe you're right, maybe you're not.. but i agree with hatever it was you
said... cause it was mostly right.

#36... actually.. we already discussed this earlier on 'summer-net' but i'll
give a mild re-hash...
 it's about a freedom fighter in africa named chris hani (pronounced hah-nee)

say goodbye...
officially is called....
say goodbye.
straight from the horses mouth...
and still, (personally) i say no to it being on the album. although they've
coordinated it into an awesome song (even as great as it is solo), it's still
not got difinitive lyrics in the way, say, r&r has taken on in all the shows 
i've seen since the band started playing again this summer.
ALL ARE WELCOMED TO DISAGREE IF SO FELT!!!

but i'll still love you all anyway... i just might curse you and stuff......
keep on rockin in the free world...
(hee heee.. i'm to damn silly..)
cec



********************************************************************************
                      'i am a goddess, not your mother'
                                -b.scott.s-                                 

                   cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 3:07 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 276

Brett Kingswell writes:
>
>I thought #36, altough the lyrics are pretty random and not developed,
>was about Cris Harmony, a civil rights activist in South Africa who was
>killed.  The story I heard (don't remember how, though) was they they
>heard this during a sound test before a show and 'wrote' the song then.
>Or maybe it was just dedicated to him.
>
>Anyone know the real story?
actually, that story is right on the money, though his last name is
hani, as clare mentioned.  the thing is when one writes a song about
a deceased individual who means a lot to you, regardless of whether
you acutally know the person (and i think consensus has it that dave
knew chris hani the way we might know bill clinton), it will have a lot
of emotion (i would think).  as any songwriter can attest, deeply emotional
songs are somewhat easy to vary lyrics on, because one has so much to
say (hey, there's a lost classic;), so i doubt we'll ever see anything
more than a groove, there.

>
>Also, Say Goodbye.  Wasn't the name (assumed to be) Quick lay and
>Goodbye, then I thought it was heard officially that it was Just For
>Tonight, but now everyone's calling it Say Goodbye.  Did I miss something
>over the summer? :)
lemme esplain.  no.  there is too much.  lemme sum up:
(humperdink is marriing the prinzess in leetle less than hav an hhour...)
actually, it was originally introduced as quick lay and goodbye 'cuz
dave couldn't think of a name for it.  he even entreated his first 
audience (which would be in lexington, i believe) to come up with one
for him.
it was on the net the people started suggesting all sorts of crazy things,
but the favored (aside from quick lay and goodbye) was just for tonight.
i don't know if say goodbye started here, or just found it's way here.
some people were calling it that before dave actually introduced it as
that, though.

actually, that's prolly more of an explanation than a summation.  oh well...
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: COGBILLJ@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Time/Date: 3:25 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: just some useless info

Hey Minernetters!

The other night I went to see Derryberry & Alagia play at the Grog 
&Tankard on Wisc. Ave here in DC.  And thought I'd let y'all know that 
they're still doing some great covers of DMB tunes.  They played w/ a 
band called Vertical Horizon (a popular Gtown band and also a 
contributor the the latest AWARE cd).  At the end of the night they 
all got up on stage together and jammed to Best of What's around...it 
was great.  all four musicians alternated singing out the verses.

I'd highly recommend both these bands if ya get the chance.  It's 
funny cuz they were talking about Dave all night.  At one point doug 
Derryberry jokingly said, "we refuse to do any more Dave Matthews 
songs until Dave Matthews starts to do some covers of our songs."  
Then they went on to play "Satellite."

Oh well, dat's it.

Jamie Cogbill


Posted By: gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 4:30 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: Just some more controversial material

I think that Say Goodbye is on the album.  At the Nashville show at 328 
on the 11th of last month Dave said that it was on the album.  I like the 
new version with Leroi on flute, nice to hear a new sound.  I guess this 
doesn't matter.  We'll find out soon enough.  OH, LET ME OPEN THE PACKAGE 
MOM, DID I GET THE TRAIN SET I ASKED FOR?  Xmas cheer, Graham


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 4:40 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: all this talk of the album . . .

I've been looking over my own personal list of songs I expected to see on
UTTAD, and the only one I haven't seen any mention of is . . .

                        Typical Situation

What happened here?  Is this song not worthy?


Also, does anyone remember talk back in January about Dave going up to
write some songs with John Alagia?  Did that fall apart when Dave was
called away by events surrounding his sister's death?  Frankly, we've only
gotten one new song in the past year.

Bye for now,

Ben


Posted By: SEAWA@vax.rhodes.edu
Time/Date: 4:46 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: Personal to Wade Mi...

  I recently made a trade w/ someone of about 5 tapes... I've completely
lost your name/address, but we had talked of a future trade.
  Not meaning to broadcast your list for trades, but you sent me:
11/3/92 (the election night show)
9/1/92 II
and some others...
  PLease get in touch w/ me... let's et up another trade...
--Will


Posted By: chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 5:32 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: pondering say goodbye

I've been real quiet on the net for the past few months, but all of the 
sudden i have an urge to toss out some musings.  (what im getting at is I 
am actually posting but i dont have the slightest clue if im doing it 
right..excuse me if i screw up please)

yesterday i was cathcing up with some of my buddies and listenin to some 
dave tape (dont ask me which..youll soon understand im clueless) and 
dave's  deep mumbley, rumbley, voice cuts through our conversation, " 
this song's about a quicklay and goodbye."  Which got us talkin'.  Some 
people thought saying that and calling it 'say goodbye" kind of ruined 
the song.  He sings it with such passion and heartfelt emotion that we'd 
all gotten sucked into the song's story.  Before the name "say goodbye"  
it was so easy to imagine that the 2 lovers were freinds that had always 
been in love  and that night was the one night when the 2 finally got to 
share each other.  Ya know?  Like, the would have always been lovers only 
somthing wasn't right with the situation..timing or something trivial.  
But, calling it "say goodbye and throwing out a comment like "quick lay"  
ruined the idea that there was some sincere loving passion between the 
two.  so why the passion in his voice when he sings..especially towards 
the end?  i cant conclude anything.. and i know im not supposed to.  I 
guess that's why i like caliing it "say goodbye"--- IT MAKES YOU THINK.  
there is still room for persanal interpretaions of the lyrics and the 
meanings can change for dave and for all of us listeners too.  it lets 
you imagine and play with a little paradox.

well thats whats on my mind ..now yall can ever so kindly point out my 
mistakes.

casual grins and some yawns..hope i didnt waste too much of your time!
catherine


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 7:10 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: New Haven and song #34

I have two different things to discuss, so I'll go one at a time, and you 
can skip ahead if one bores you.

First- I went to buy my tickets for DMBs New Haven show at Toad's Place. 
The price- $7.50. VERY reasonable. The club is also within a thirty 
second walk (literally), so if anyone-
a. Wants me to get them a ticket to this show (it's half the price of the 
NYC show, not to mention parking, food and drink savings)
b. Needs directions to the theater
c. Needs a place to stay
d. wants to get together for dinner, drinks, other substances, whatever, 
before the show
e. Wants to know good places to eat, hang out, etc. in New Haven, or
f. Wants to arrange a tape trade to be carried out at the show (thus 
saving on postage and hassle),
let me know and I'll be more than happy to discuss matters with you. The 
only one I'm not sure about is (c), but it shouldn't be a problem.
Now for a question- Does anyone know how I might rent or borrow a 
portable DAT or hi quality portable analog machine? It seems that DMB and 
God Street Wine are playing here on consecutive nights- a taper's dream, 
but I don't have any decent recording equipment. I was thinking of 
calling Terrapin Tapes and seeing what they can do for me, since they are 
located only 40 minutes or so from here. Any input would be greatly 
appreciated (I don't want to buy a machine and then return it after the 
shows.)

Now for the second matter. I posted a few days ago that Dave told me song 
#34 is on the new album. Either:
- Dave confused the two songs
- Dave was lying
- The drugs are beginning to wear on my memory, or
- Song #34 IS on the album.
Any of these are possibilities, but only the last one seems really 
likely. If I'm wrong, so be it. Another enjoyable DMB tune will be there 
in it's place. If I'm right, one or two folks out there owe me an apology.
I must say, however, the general mood in this group is a friendly one. 
Nice to see after visiting the phishnet.
					-Adam Vann


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 10:12 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 275

sometime, somwhere, adam wrote:
>Incidentally, I STILL can't believe #34 and Best of What's Around are going
>to be on an album.  Ah, ain't life grand?
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ah yes, funny you should mention that.  this cd came out today (widespread
panic, for those who don't know), and i heartily recommend it to any and
all wsp fans on this net, that net, or any ol' net a person could choose
to be on right now.  lots of new, diverse tangents from this seasoned
athens band, with lots of great, rocked out widespread that we all know
and love.  if you've never heard of them, you have now, and you should
hear more of them, so go check out this cd and kick back and enjoy.

(icehouse, anyone?)
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: BLBLALOC@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:00 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: 9-27-94

quick question:

where is the virginia amphitheater and will dmb be playing there on the 
27th?


brian.
   ___

"I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance."
                                -nietzche


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:07 PM Tuesday, September 6, 1994
Subject: hey, shanker, clean up your mailbox, dammit!

well, i just sent out the final lyrics file.  if you didn't get it,
let me know, and you'll get it.  i know two people aren't getting it:

dupuy@virgo.hks.com  
who bounced because he/she doesn't exist.
and
shanker@pop.cis.yale.edu
who bounced because his mailbox is full.  (that's actually a new one
for me.)

i just sent it out about 15 minutes ago, so i may not have all the
bounced copies, yet.  if i get any more, i'll post and we can track
everyone down.

once again, the mailing list is no more, because the file is chock
full of songs.  the only songs are heathcliff's haiku warriors
(personal name for a song with no name), two step, and #34, the
last two i think were sent to me, but became victims of one of
my occasional mail purges.  when those are sent to me, if it's not
via the net, i'll post them, and then you'll have everything.

(yippee!!)

also, for those that want an electronic copy but don't have one,
i do keep the lyrics to r2t filed in my account, so let me know
if you want those, too.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: msweeney@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu
Time/Date: 1:49 AM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: article on dmb

hello
	I just picked up a copy of some mag put out by the record
exchange (tori amos on the cover).  inside is an article on the band i
haven't had a chance to read it but if the guy putting together the
article file wants it or if people want it posted let me know and i'll
type it up.  also if ellis could send me a note i need to talk to you
about phish at uva and i'm to lazy to look for your address.  oh well
see you all around.

just counting the days till the 27th
matt


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 11:27 AM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: tour dates and other such pertinent info..

the lastest word from the home office: a new newsletter will be coming 
out in about a week and will contain, among other things, minarets.net 
subscription information...so be prepared all...there may be a large 
influx of new subscribers soon.

here are the latest tour dates..straight from 
the horses mouth...:

Dave Matthews Band:

	September
	26 CD Release Party- Crossroads, Charlottesville, VA
		-no band, but Dave and others will be playing acoustic
	
	27 **Under the Table and Dreaming** is released
		-UVA amplitheatre, 703.971.4829, 7:00pm
		-From Good Homes opening
	
	28 Floodzone, Richmond, VA 804.782.0180
	29 Ritz, Raliegh, NC 919.836.8535
		-From Good Homes opening 
		-rescheduled from August 12th
	30 Roseland Ballroom, NYC 8:00pm 212.247.0200

	October:
	1 Theatre of the Living Arts, Philadelphia, PA
		-opening for Rusted Root, 8:00pm, 215.922.2599
	3 Toad's Place, New Haven, CT 8:30pm, 203.562.5694
	5 Club Soda, Montreal, 9:30pm 514.270.7848
	6 Lee's Place, Toronto, 10:00pm 416.532.7383
	7 Horizontal Boogie Bar, Rochester, NY 10:00pm 716.546.8508
	8 Avalon Ballroom, Boston, MA 8:15pm 617.262.2605
	9 Lapo's Heartbreak Hotel, Providence, RI 401.831.4071
	11 Pearl St., Northhampton, MA 9:00pm 413.584.7810
	12 Stone Balloon, Newark, DE 9:00pm 302.368.2001

remember to call before you haul....

>From Good Homes are opening for Dave at a bunch of these dates...

alex crothers


Posted By: peterke3@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 12:53 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Re: 9-27-94

On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, country don't mean dumb wrote:

> 
> 
> quick question:
> 
> where is the virginia amphitheater and will dmb be playing there on the 
> 27th?
> 
> 
> brian.
>    ___
> 
> "I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance."
>                                 -nietzche
>  


Brian and all- The amphitheater is on the grounds of the university of 
virginia. If you come in off of University Ave, and drive down the 
throughway through campus, passing the library and the admissions office 
on your right, and the LAwn and the Range on your left, right before you 
go through the bus gates, you will see the amphitheater on your right set 
below the sidewalk--- any how, just go to the grounds and ask someone- I 
heard they will be playing there!
Kristin 


Posted By: shell@phish.net
Time/Date: 1:15 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Under the Table...

To help clear up some speculation, here are the songs listed on my
advance tape:

---------(stop reading here if you'd prefer to continue to speculate :-)-----

(side A)
1.  Best of What's Around
2.  What Would You Say
3.  Satellite
4.  Rhyme & Reasons
5.  Typical Situation
6.  Dancing Nancies
(side B)
1.  Ants Marching
2.  Lover Lay Down
3.  Jimithing
4.  Warehouse
5.  Pay For What You Get
6.  #34

I like it a lot, but I'd like it even better without the repeats from
the first disk.  (Any reason for the repetition?)


Shelly


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 2:06 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Re: Under the Table...

On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Shelly Culbertson wrote:

> 6.  #34

oh well...forget that I said (or rather, YELLED groggily...) "Bullshit"

I still won't believe it until I hear it...

lean upon me, I'll lean upon you, we'll be okay...
Blake


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 2:10 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Re: dmb article

yes..
in reagards to matt who was looking for the 'guy' who is article/interview
COE...

i, clare emily, be that 'guy'.

smirks and femimity...
clare emily

ps. matt.. that means... send me the article. :)



********************************************************************************
                      'i am a goddess, not your mother'
                                -b.scott.s-                                 

                   cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 2:51 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Chords File Update

Hey everyone, it appears many of you are drifting back to school and
minarets, so I might as well give a Chords File Update.

Shawn has handed the file over to me.  So.  If anyone out there would like to
be on the distribution list or would like to TRANSCRIBE a song or two... just
send me some mail.

Right now the song list is as follows (I have taken Shelly's word for what is
and isn't on UTTAD)

  Song                                      Album
   All Along the Watchtower (Dylan)..........Recently
   Angel From Montgomery (Prine).............u
   Ants Marching.............................R2T, UTTAD
   Best of What's Around.....................UTTAD
   Christmas Song............................R2T
   Cry Freedom...............................u
   Halloween.................................Recently
   Help Myself...............................u
   I'll Back You Up..........................R2T
   Jimi Thing................................UTTAD
   Lie In Our Graves.........................u
   #34.......................................UTTAD
   #36.......................................u
   One Sweet World...........................R2T
   Pay for What You Get......................UTTAD
   Satellite.................................R2T, UTTAD
   Say Goodbye...............................u
   Seek Up...................................R2T
   So Much To Say............................u
   Song That Jane Likes, The.................R2T
   Two Step..................................u
   Typical Situation.........................UTTAD
   Warehouse.................................Recently, UTTAD
   What Would You Say........................UTTAD

Key:
R2T   = Remember Two Things (Bama Raga Records)
UTTAD = Under The Table And Dreaming (RCA Recods)
u     = Unreleased


Most of UTTAD is transcribed, but certainly not all of it (no Lover, no
Rhyme, no Nancies, and only the intro of Satellite).

Oops, now I'm in a hurry.

Later everyone.

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
*        "We shed a tear that one day we       *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*           may no longer need them."          * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*                - Dave Matthews               *  --   New York, NY  --  *
**************************************************************************


Posted By: STU_BEHORTON@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:59 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: subscribe

Please resubscribe me to the net.


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 4:29 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Adam, Ben, what's the difference?

>sometime, somwhere, adam wrote:
>>Incidentally, I STILL can't believe #34 and Best of What's Around are going
>>to be on an album.  Ah, ain't life grand?
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hi, I wrote that a few days ago but since it was interspersed with Adam's
wise comments Rick (or was that Gregg, or someone else from JMU?) confused
us.

Just to complain for a minute, Tower Records didn't have Ain't Life Grand
today, and neither did the Wiz.  Plenty of R2T though.

--BEN

>        --immanuel kant

Kant-- another WSP fan.


Posted By: LauraL4523@aol.com
Time/Date: 5:23 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: hello and 1/27/94 question

Hey there y'all!
  Been lurking for a few days, but thought I'd say hello.  Just ordered my
ticket for DMB at the Ritz, and I'm very psyched, cos I've never caught them
live, just keep spinning my couple of tapes again and again.
   Have a question:  I've got the performance of Dave solo with Tim Reynolds
and other "special guests"  that was right after Dave flew back from S africa
after his sister's death.  Was this some benefit concert, or was it for his
sister's memory, or what?  I've been curious.

I also want to mention that the address for this list has been posted on the
Phishnet and the dead net more than once, so if people were going to flood
the place, I think they would have done it to some extent by now.  I hope
they don't too much.  This is quite a friendly place.  :)

Take it easy,

-Dash


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 5:33 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 277

first: the difference b/w quick lay and goodbye, and say goodbye.
when i went to see dave at trax on nov 9, he played this peice of
music twice, both times acoustically.  the first time was with his
acoustic opener set, the second time just moments before the band
joined him for an encore.  all i can say is that it was not the 
same song both times.  yes, it was the exact same peice of music
that we all know and love as say goodbye (or quick lay and goodbye),
but the first time was a very dark, sinister, and downright evil
tale of a cheap hook-up.  the second time was the more soothing
freindship based version that has become the song known as say
goodbye.  personally, i like it the way it is now, but i also know
people who prefer the more sexist version as being more dark and
really provoking emotion the rhyme and reason does.

second: i forgot.  tends to happen when i try to remember a bunch
of things in a single post.

third:  my theory on the repititions:  the reason he's redone ants
is simple.  it sucked on r2t.  yes, that is subjective, but it's 
subject to a lot of agreement.  it wasn't as powerful as dave fans
know it can be, and that really, DULL, thing that carter did had
a great way of annoying people who've never heard the band before.
as for satellite, well, i'm one of the few and far b/w people who
was annoyed by the song when i first heard it, so it doesn't matter
to me anyway.  your guess is as good as mine.

and the fourth and final (and surprise) point:  daniel blanchad,
your mail bounced.  if anyone knows him or his correct address,
either send it to me, or send him a copy of the lyrics file.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 5:44 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: More on Say Goodbye

On why the name is Say Goodbye and not Quick Lay and Goodbye:
  (This story is not mine but a friend's who is a lurker on the net.)

When asked after his 1994 WTJU Folk Marathon appearance what the name of the
song was, Dave replied that it was Say Goodbye.  When questioned as to why it
wasn't called Quick Lay & Goodbye, a much cooler name, Dave responded that
since the song was about a good friend of his, that name wouldn't really be
appropriate.

Is that about right, Chris?

Latah...

Dan


Posted By: msweeney@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu
Time/Date: 6:30 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: future condition of the net

hello people
        I've been watching the net for the past couple of days and i
keep seeing these posts about the net being flooded and getting hostile.
I don't think minarets has anything to worry about.  Look at some of
the other nets that are getting somewhat known.  finewine, blues
traveler net, horde net.  not bad places.  haven't seen any problems on
any of them except when someone attacks a member of BT then the people
on the blues traveler net get defensive but that's just loyalty.  I
think what it has to do with is the fans.  Now i haven't been on
minarets for to long acctually i've only been on a matter of weeks.  but
i've heard from other people and seen my self that this is a cool net.
one of the problems with the phishnet is that the fans are hostile to a
point (not talking about all of them i subscribe my self).  you have
those who have been with the band since the begining and don't like new
comers because it means they can't just go to a club pay a cover charge
and walk in to see phish.  so i think if you just keep the real nice
vibe you have here and just remain nice then you'll keep it real cool
here.  and think of it this way with new people comes new tapes :).
and to those who are worrying about subscribe me posts well finewine has
very few if any of them.  the BT net only had a problem with it when the
newsletter gave the wrong address (and dabe set up some kind of filter
to knock alot of those out).  not to mention i've never seen the address
for the net with out the subscribe address as well.  so just keep
everything as groovy as it currently is and i think this could be a
blessing in disguise.  sorry about the length of this post i felt i had
to express my views bye bye

matt


Posted By: SAKUNZ@MIAVX1.BITNET
Time/Date: 8:59 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: I'm a newbie!! Help me!

Hey now,
        As my title implies, I'm a total nembie to minarets, although I have
been around Phishnet and Deadnet a bit over the last year, so I'm not
completely clueless.  It seems pretty cool so far.  My main point of this
message is a GROVEL.  Yes the G-word.  I have absolutely 0 hours of DMB,
,although I do have over 250 hours of Dead, Phish, Widespread, and the Samples.
If there are any kind sould out there (I know there are), I'd appreciate some
help in getting started.  My roommates and I are really interested in scoring
some tapes.  Also, any chance of a trip to the Midwest during the post-album
release tour??? A show in Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana/Illinois/Michigan would be
quite cool.  Later, later, later, and thanks for listening.
                Steve


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 9:54 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Dave & Tim Tree

Hello All, It's time for a tree of the following show : 

5-27-93 : One Sweet World, Satellite, Recently, Typical Situation, Minarets, Dancing 
Nancies, Lie In Our Graves, Stream, Pay For What You Get, Warehouse, Help Myself, 
Tripping Billies, Christmas Song, Tim Jam, Two-Step, Granny, Ants Marching, Best Of 
What's Around, I'll Back You Up, Watchtower, So Much To Say, Angel From 
Mongomery

I belive the show is from the Prism, but I could be wrong.
I takes up 99% of a 120min dat so it means were looking at 1 dat or 2 cassettes.

If interested please fill out the cut & paste form and return to grayp@pinn.net by 
Saturday Sept 17.

-----------------------------------cut here-----------------------------------------------------------------
name:
email:
surface mail:

phone:
dat/cassette:
equipment:
#copies you can make: (d>d,d>a,a>a)

any comments:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

enjoy,
gray


Posted By: wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 10:00 PM Wednesday, September 7, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 277

I must venture a chance to agree on two counts.  The Ants on R2T
sucks.  What happened to just the no-intro Ants, or the Ants that
was spurred by the 2001 theme???  Or the Ants that was bred out
of Gooey Thing???  These annoy me, and I really, REALLY hope that
this Ants is much better.  Secondly, to those of you who were
able to catch Satellite when Peter was with the band can remember
the power and drive it had, not to mention the fact that it was
just plain FAST!  The Satellites they've been doing are about 1/2
the speed of those that I have on tape from when Peter was with
them...not to mention it was much more fun to experience on
stage.

Oh well...we can always hope, and for those of us who are stuck
in the past, well, we can listen to our tapes with Cry Freedom,
Spotlight, People People, So Much To Say and Eyes of the Maker,
and reminisce in the days when the highest amount of people at
Trax on a Tuesday to see Dave were maybe 75, and we could sit on
the floor if we wanted to...

Wade


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 11:45 AM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Carter sighting at Hollins!!!

Seeing as that I didn't start classes until today, I had the pleasure of 
going down to Hollins tuesday night to hang out at their infamous 
apartment parties. I was standing in this one girls apartment, when in 
walks carter with his girlfriend, who lived their. Turns out they are on 
vacation for a few weeks. I chatted breifly with him  on unimpartant 
topics like his cool drums on say goodbye and an unplugged show they didi 
in late 92, then he had to use the bathroom and I never saw him again. 
He wasn't getting horded by people when I saw him, but I hear he was 
signing socks and beercans at another apartment, Oh well......
till next time..

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Posted By: WIFOY@DAVIDSON.EDU
Time/Date: 12:17 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: New disc w/ REM?

Hello, greetings and salivations!

1) It's great to be back to hear from fellow followers of the great quintet.
        [I lost net access for the summer, as most college folks do <groan>]

2) I can't wait for the album!

3) I heard a possibly nasty rumor [if it's false] that REM's "Monster" is
coming out on the same date as the new DMB disc.  If that's the case, or even
if it's not, is there the possibility of a "Midnight Madness" sale on that
Tuesday?

4) Saw e: this summer at Ziggy's and they played a good set of a lot of
sol.id, but also some off of _Labrador_ and it all rocked!  I tried to get a
tape of the show, but a) even though I live in W-S while not a student, I'll
admit Ziggys' board is fairly old and getting slowly obsolete, and b) I made
the mistake of not getting my tapedeck to record the show.  I did talk to the
guys before and after and they enjoyed it and said that PiKA at Davidson was
in their fall plans.  Any fans out there who haven't heard "everything"
should not pass go, collect about $14 bucks and go buy Labrador, or get more
money and get sol.id too!  If anyone wants to ride down for the possible show
at PiKA here or any shows in the area for Dave or e:, please swing by
Davidson! any e: boots (probably from you folks in the VA area) are WELCOME. 
I have sadly but one poor quality show here in 93 and I'm still looking for
my Samples boot from the board here.email me!

5)Lastly, I have only been back for a short time, but DMB is still a rockin'
groovy cool place to netsurf and communicate.  Let's keep it that way.  I
think any administrator's worst nightmare is seeing a flamewar develop and
minarets is fairly flame free.  That's why most of us read this: to
understand DMB in a positive friendly environment.  Hopefully, we'll keep it
that way.

Hope ya'll had great summers and I look forward to reading and posting on the
best run mailing list (except Rush's The National Midnight Star, but it has a
huge budget for over 3000 subscribers) for the coming years.  Peace!-  WF

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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:35 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Re: all this talk of the album . . .

On Wed, 7 Sep 1994, Ben Tanen wrote:
> I've been looking over my own personal list of songs I expected to see on
> UTTAD, and the only one I haven't seen any mention of is . . .
>                         Typical Situation
> What happened here?  Is this song not worthy?

typical situation is on the album....


> Also, does anyone remember talk back in January about Dave going up to
> write some songs with John Alagia?  Did that fall apart when Dave was
> called away by events surrounding his sister's death?  Frankly, we've only
> gotten one new song in the past year.

this is a big gripe i have with the dave matthews band...where are the new 
songs???  i remember Boyd saying more than six months ago that he was 
working on a new one, but......?

things are going well, let's keep them rolling.....

alex crothers


Posted By: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:38 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: UVA Amphitheater

To note, Kristin very well identifies where the amphitheater IS, but those
aren't the best directions for parking, esp. since Central Grounds is closed
to thru-traffic during the day (perhaps til 5:30; sometimes varies.) Also,
there is NO PARKING in Central Grounds, besides the fact that if DMB plays
that Amphitheater there will also be NO WALKING space anywhere nearby.

The amphitheater is very open. You should be able to stand at the upper
levels or just outside and have a great view, not to mention better sound,
and not have to pay to go down into the thing. Actually, the bigger events at
this amphitheater often overflow to the point that you cant get inside
anyway. I HIGHLY recommend coming early.

DRIVING DIRECTIONS:  You're likely to come into Cville via 29. Drive _around_
UVA (eg not up the ramps into central grounds), to JPA, and park in the lot
across from the C-shaped Old Cabell Hall. From here, it is a 2 minute walk
(across the street and up the hill). You may get ticketed (towing unlikely;
never seen it) if you park there before 5 (actually, i think the guy checks
no later than 330), but youre also allowed one ticket per car per year in
Cville.

ellis

P.S. I agree with Shelly RE repeats. I don't get it. Starting to remind me of
the Spin Docs and their repetitious release of the same songs, live from
different places. Argh. So much more material. People'll find the great early
stuff once they catch on, and they're less likely to buy both if they've
already got a chunk of the material (aren't they?)

     Ellis "of Lemuria" Godard   jeg5s@virginia.edu
       P.O. Box 3240, Charlottesville, VA, 22903
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FAQ File Administrator for rec.music.phish & phish-digest
     Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:46 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Re: New Haven and song #34

> Now for the second matter. I posted a few days ago that Dave told me song 
> #34 is on the new album. Either:
> - Dave confused the two songs
> - Dave was lying
> - The drugs are beginning to wear on my memory, or
> - Song #34 IS on the album.

#34 is on the album..instrumental of course

alex crothers


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 12:55 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Re: Under the Table...

> (side A)
> 1.  Best of What's Around
> 2.  What Would You Say
> 3.  Satellite
> 4.  Rhyme & Reasons
> 5.  Typical Situation
> 6.  Dancing Nancies
> (side B)
> 1.  Ants Marching
> 2.  Lover Lay Down
> 3.  Jimithing
> 4.  Warehouse
> 5.  Pay For What You Get
> 6.  #34
> 
> I like it a lot, but I'd like it even better without the repeats from
> the first disk.  (Any reason for the repetition?)


_what would you say_ is with Popper and Tim Reynolds plays on many of the 
other songs [all?]

alex crothers


Posted By: wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:58 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Re: Under the Table...

This is just a notice for those of you who have yet to get the
Recently cd...PLAN 9 records, here in Ch'ville, is selling all of
the copies they have to get rid of them.  Evidently, due to a
conflict with RCA records, production and sale of the Recently cd
must be halted on FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 9.  For those of you who have
yet to get your copies of it, you have one day.  I dno't know if
it will still be available over mail order or at shows, but my
assumption would be that it is NOT.  Record companies have ways
of fucking with bands like that.

I do remember talking to Dave about Recently the night they
recorded Watchtower and Halloween for it (after the show) and he
said that they -might- be able to put out an ep with some stuff
on it, if RCA would let them, and well, they did.  But as
recordcompanies can do, since Recently came out as an indie ep,
after DMB had signed, RCA holds the rights to have it pulled off
the market.  However, who's to say that it might never be
re-released after UTTAD comes out, and then as an RCA release,
not Bama Rags.  

So the main points--
1) If you haven't gotten Recently yet, get it.
2) If you have gotten it, get another, cuz it might be worth some
money one day, if DMB is around for like 15 years.  You all know
how much old Aerosmith and Zep bootlegs are worth these days, I
mean the ones on album, not like Dead tapes.


Just thought you all would like to know,

Wade


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 4:20 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 278

the prism show that just got treed is from 4-22-93, not 5-27-93.
llater, kerry


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:BH7N@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA
Time/Date: 5:21 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Dates

Hola Chicos y Chicas:

Can anyone send me  any confirmed dates for DMB. Is it true that DMB
might be coming up here to Montreal??? A reply would be greatly
appreciated.


Kwon


Posted By: HAUSERBT@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Time/Date: 6:03 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Tree address

COuld somebody please mail the address to get signed up for the Dave/Tim
tree recently posted?  I thought I sent it to the right address, but it bounced
and I deleted the original message...Thank you.

Brian


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 6:04 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 278

To clarify, the show that I am treeing is not from 4-22-93,
I have both and it is definatly a different tape.
As we know, 4-22 is the prism, I am speculating that 5-27 is also a prism

-----------------
i'm with stupid->
-----------------

On Thu, 8 Sep 1994 kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu wrote:

> 
> the prism show that just got treed is from 4-22-93, not 5-27-93.
> llater, kerry
> 
> 
>                                             
>


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 6:54 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: REM & DMB

The new REM CD is indeed coming out September 27th.  Oh my.


What does this mean? I can't think of any implications...


Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

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*        "We shed a tear that one day we       *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*           may no longer need them."          * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*                - Dave Matthews               *  --   New York, NY  --  *
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Posted By: shell@phish.net
Time/Date: 7:16 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Recently

Any chance that someone who lives in an area where Recently is available
could pick one up for me before it's taken out of circulation?  I'll
happily send an appropriately-sized SASE & a check...or a Phish cd, if
you prefer.  ;-)


Shelly


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 7:18 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: rem and why phish.net sux.

yep, monster will be out on the 27 of november.  should be interesting
nights at record (cd) stores in h-burg, lexington, c-ville and richmond,
to say the least.
one cool thing about that, though, is that every damn city in the nation
will have at least one midnight madness sale, so places where dave isn't
as well known will still be opening to have a major cd sell-a-thon.  i
recommend getting to such places early, 'cuz we're going to have to
deal with a lot of stipeheads (for that matter, does anybody have $32
i can borrow to by a coupla new cd's coming out in about 2 weeks?:)

and one (weird) word for why phish.net sux:  zzyzx.

i thought it was a lot cooler before shelly, in her infinite wisdom:),
kicked assholeman off. 

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  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
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Posted By: shell@phish.net
Time/Date: 7:27 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: Re: rem and why phish.net sux.

On Sep  8,  7:20pm, uberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug wrote:
> 
> and one (weird) word for why phish.net sux:  zzyzx.
> 
> i thought it was a lot cooler before shelly, in her infinite wisdom:),
> kicked assholeman off. 


I beg your pardon?  I've never "kicked off" anyone from the Phish.Net.
Could you clarify that remark, please?  Thanks.


Shelly


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 8:00 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: rick that crazy mothafucka

yup.
he's a fool.

i think our silly freak meant to say that monster and under the table...
blah blah blah will be out the 27th of SEPTEMBER. 
yes, that's right, folks... 21 days.

i know you all know this, but there's gonna be _somebody_ out there to send
freak mail in freaking out cause he (or she.. i do not neglect that there are
females on the net like some do) read that dumb rick wrote nov instead of sept.

are we all straight?
good.
and let's all be nice.
this IS minarets.. it's like FRAGGLE ROCK minus the doozers and gorgs.

can i be red? i always did love wimbley so....
silly 'ole me....



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Posted By: JAROUNDS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 10:14 PM Thursday, September 8, 1994
Subject: granny?

with all the talk of the new album and what's to be on it, isn't 
anybody else out there upset that granny is yet to be released?  ben
even forgot it on his list of songs and what albums they were or weren't
on.  i just think it's a great song and i would have much rather found
that on the new album that the repeats.  just a thought though.
jaime


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:56 AM Friday, September 9, 1994
Subject: Phish.net-Dave??? Granny thoughts..

Well, 
	I hope the animosity of larger nets doesn't spread through here, 
but o'course I know Rick, and his shovelhead couldln't mean to much harm...
Clare's always peaceful presence could divert huge breakouts of anoimosity...

speaking of Granny...I had heard back in late 92 ish- early 93 even before I 
had 
comphrended a dave cd, that Granny was the first single, and when I saw 
them at Zollmans in 1993 I swore I was told I had heard a studio mix of 
it reverberating from the now long gone Ford Red Van "tourbus" with the 
uhaulit on back. Maybe I was an overanxious dave-head, but this is what I 
remeber, I do like the song (sorry rick) and have enjoyed its growth from 
11-17-92  (david you're a nunu --- for those who own this tape) to the 
crowd pleasing love-baby version... who knows.. if dave put every song 
I've ever heard him do live on a disc the five disc box set would be out 
now...

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Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 2:11 AM Friday, September 9, 1994
Subject: Richmond pholx/random dave quotes

"Hope everyone is having an enjoyable evening on the town,
down in the Flood Zone....
Down in Shokoe's bottom
Who is Shokoe anyway?
And how did they conclude that this was his bottom..
Or hers actually, I'm not sure 
If Shokoe is a boy or a girl....
hey hey hey (into minarets)"

Dave Flood Zone 12/2/92

After multiple ramdom Dave statements like this, maybe a Dave quote file???
I know I got plenty of 'em....

P.S. Clare this is the tape I'm sending you
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Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 2:19 AM Friday, September 9, 1994
Subject: Spelling problem

Notice once I read my own post that Shokoe is Shockoe, i think, i mean I 
only live there, what the hell would I know, either way, still a concept 
to ponder...

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Posted By: wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 10:24 AM Friday, September 9, 1994
Subject: Re: Under the Table...

Actually, this is not about UTTAD.  There was a post made by
somebody on here, who mentioned that this net was second only
{to RUSH'S NATIONAL MIDNIGHT STAR.  What I would like to know is
who made that post, and how to get on the National Midnight Star.
I apologize for not doing this privately, but I deleted the
message.  So if the kind soul who made this statement would
kindly get in touch with me, I would be most appreciative.  I
used to be on TNMS a yearago or so, but I've changed email
accounts...oh well.

Thanks~r!!!

Wade


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 11:35 AM Friday, September 9, 1994
Subject: Birchmere Trades

First- I'm usually a pretty nice guy, but I just can't resist.

RE: Song #34 on album- I told you so!

Sorry. OK- a while back I put up a post for trades for the Dave/Tim 
Birchmere show. Well, the tape is here. It all fits on one 90 min. tape, 
so I'm going to ask that people get another tape from me as well and, in 
return, I can get a full show from them. The tape sounds good, 
considering that it's an audience tape, since the Birchmere was so quiet. 
For the "other" tape, please choose between:
BHT set- HORDE 8-26-94 Merriweather Post
Blues Traveler Set- 8-26-94 (sbd)
2/3 of DMB set plus some Allmans- 8-26-94
DMB- 12-11-93 Williams College (full show 100 min)
Try to avoid the DMB show unless you don't like any of the other bands- 
it's a 100 min tape, meaning extra time and $ from my end.

Due to time restraints, this offer is open only to-
EWHESSE@amherst.edu
CLIFFORD@urvax.urich.edu
btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
mxgall@mail.wm.edu
wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu

These are the people who responded to my original offer. Sorry to close it.
Persons listed above- Please keep in mind that you are the 3rd through 
8th tape traders to have a copy of this show. Please keep it sort of under 
wraps. Even though we got permission from Dave and Jeff to tape and trade 
copies of the show, the Birchmere folks must've taken us of the board for 
a reason.
As I said before, my 1st trade request is the Phish 4-20-94 Lexington 
show, followed by any recent dmb. If neither of these is plausible, make 
me another offer. I'll be in touch soon.
				-Adam


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 11:37 AM Friday, September 9, 1994
Subject: netter's list & interview/article file

clare: could you forward me the interview/article file

 and whoever has the netter's file, could you do the same?

was that you Ben?

****Also a quick note since there have been alot of new subscribers 
lately...if you want to receive minarets in a package [about once a day 
depending on traffic] rather than each message seperately send the message:

set minarets mail digest     TO    listproc@moose.uvm.edu

alex crothers


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 4:34 PM Friday, September 9, 1994
Subject: oh heidehoooooo, to travel western virginia i go

i am officially preforming the first net-knighting on chris. 
because he has a beautiful soul that shines, and cause he's good to everyone.
(even though he does send me SERIOUSLY drunken mail quite often...)

[tap tap]
          'sir buford'


love and light, 
clare emily



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                      'i am a goddess, not your mother'
                                -b.scott.s-                                 

                   cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
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Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 12:10 PM Saturday, September 10, 1994
Subject: wwys

On the way home from work yesterday, I heard the wwys with Popper on the radio.
Really took me by suprise, but great to hear it.

Off to the Norfolk blues festival.
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