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October 28, 1994

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Posted By: msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu
Time/Date: 12:21 AM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: steve lillywhite

steve did all but the last Pogues albums on island.  for those who 
haven't heard the pogues they are an interesting group from ireland that 
combind traditional irish folk and "old" punk rock (the old late 70's 
british punk).  the linear notes for the album essential describe it as 
mixing the cheiftans and the sex pistols.  I don't know i'm just 
rambleing i recomend the pogues but hey i recomend a lot of things bye all

matt
who has way to much coffee tonight


Posted By: Rsr3078@aol.com
Time/Date: 12:38 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Geetar

Howdy.  I just started playing the guitar about 3 weeks ago.  And I am
looking for some simple easy to read/understand sheet music for Dave.  A few
days ago some Dave music was posted but I just didn't understand it, and I'm
teaching myself, so I've got nobody to ask help from.  But I'll stop ramblin
on.... Please Help Me.

Graciously,
Alix :)


Posted By: nmayer@pen.k12.va.us
Time/Date: 1:06 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: chords file

Whoever it is, that has the chords file could you please
forward it to me

Thanks a bunch,

Steve


Posted By: ivans@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 3:27 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Spin Doctors, prices

I don't know if you can dare compare the Spin Doctors to the Dave 
Matthews Band. IMHO the Spin Doctors are a lot cheesier and they are not 
half  the performers that DMB are. Even if Dave and the gang make it big, 
they  can't lose that wonderful aura you feel when they perform. DMB is 
more of a Phish, Grateful Dead type band, you can never really tire of them.

As for prices, I paid 10 bucks for the show in Raleigh, and around 15 for 
the show I saw at Brown's Island in Richmond this summer. Let's hope 
these prices don't go too high with Dave's future success.

-Ivan

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ivans@acpub.duke.edu     us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not  
(919) 613-0017           die? And if you wrong us do we not revenge? If 
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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 4:03 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Re: chords file

On Sun, 2 Oct 1994, Nancy E. Mayer wrote:
> Whoever it is, that has the chords file could you please
> forward it to me

Could I get the latest, most up-to-date, most comprehensive, most 
expanded version of the Tab file as well?

alex crothers


Posted By: chcolin@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Time/Date: 4:26 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: tim reynolds

Does anyone have a tape of Dave playing with Tim Reynolds at the Birchmere
this summer? I'd love a copy of that.
                                                                  Chris


Posted By: smm7k@sdlsun2.ee.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 6:00 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: RE: Song ?s

In response to Greg's questions, this is what I've come up
after relistening to some old Dave stuff that I have from a
show at Trax, May 26, 1992:

	"Take this my arms, take this my eyes, take this my
mouth and all..."

According to the dub that I got, this song is "Blue Water".  I'm
not sure if this is the offical DMB title, but it songs as
good as any other.  I haven't heard this tune done since
summer of 1992, so I don't know where it is now.

	"When we fight over the ocean, when we fight over the sky,
when we fight over our borders,then we, our brothers and sisters divide,
tell me why is it so"

Yet again, I'm unsure if this is the right title, but I
believe Dave has referred to this as "People, People".  Again,
this song seems to have disappeared into nothingness, which is
quite a shame.

For all who are interested, I'm new to minarets, just found
out about it a couple of weeks ago.  I've been listening to
DMB since early May, 1992 (first show for me at Trax).
However, since they've left the C'Ville scene in pursuit of
greatness, I have to admit I'm a little bit behind the times.
Only saw them once this summer at Horde in Richmond and
caught first few tunes at UVA Amphitheatre.  I've got 5-6
tapes with good music, although tape quality is questionable.  I'd
like to work a trade if there are any takers.  Of particular
interest is one with an ultra-first version of Warehouse (Dave
talks about cats scratching eyes out, lyrics are completely
different with same music).  Also, I have a tape of Dave (with
occasional help from Boyd) in the studio, I think, just kinda
playing around with some tunes.  Other stuff too from Flood
Zone.

Thanks for Minarets.  I'm enjoying the catching up!!

Steve Marazita
smm7k@virginia.edu


Posted By: WIFOY@DAVIDSON.EDU
Time/Date: 7:23 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Rock.Net or someone offered Adopt-a-band

    Somebudy out there posted a note about a week and half ago about Rock.Net
or somewhere else in net-land offering to help someone set up a www page/ftp
site for their fav. band.  I want to do that!!!!  SOMEBODY please HELP!  All
I need is a contact, or a phone number, or an email address, please help
me!!!  

    Thanks muchly, Will

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RUSH remMATTHEWSWEET everythingBIGHEADTODD davematthewsbandBLUESTRAVELER samples
                                                      
    "Bring back the innocense[Be gone] Away with the jealousness[ be gone]
        Sometimes I feel the strain, I can't help my ways and so now I 
                must say... Be Gone"- everything (e:): Be Gone

"I hear music from your window, but you're not at home. You're a thousand miles
 away from here, and that's too far to phone." -The Samples:The Birth of Words
      
  "Dark clouds may hang on me sometimes, but I, I'll work it out, and then I, 
           look up at the sky"-Dave Matthews Band:Dancing Nancies

      Phi Gamma Delta-Davidson(Delta Kappa)     iN ReaL lIFe:=will foy'96	
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Posted By: PONDWAYLA@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 7:24 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: A Week of Dave shows

This is my first post in a long time, but i wanted to give some  feelings 
this past weeks shows.

But, first...went up to Philly from Richmond and saw dave last night...
The show had some good points and was overall pretty good

Setlist- TLA, philly, 10/1/94

One Sweet World
Best of What's Around
Dancing Nancies
Warehouse
Say Goodbye
Satellite
Tripping Billies
JImi Thing
WWYS
LIe in our Graves
Lover Lay Down
Rhyme and Reason
Typical Situation
Ants Marching

There was no encore because they had to be off the stage by 11 and dave
said they would play straight through and screw the tradition of the encore
they ended up going over and playing until about 11:20

Unfortunately during Satellite, some very very drunk girl puked in front of 
the tapers....luckily it didn't hit all the dats...she then continued to puke
during a HOT Tripping Billies and passed out on the floor....anyway... dave
had a nice jam in lie in our graves and dave and carter had a sweet jam in jimi
before r&r dave said" you mean to tell me that if you were getting fucked for 
24 hours a day for a week and a half you wouldn't be happy?" carter then added afill in like after a joke on a talk show, carter then pumped his fist like 
arsenio hall and dave said waht is this "the fucking arsenio hall show"
the theatre of the living arts was different and sold out around 800 people,
lots of high schoolers...

anyway, wednesday night was the show of the week, it has to go down as one of thbest two shows i have ever seen
maybe i should have gone to raleigh and roseland as well...oh well

Wayland


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 7:27 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Carters new set

on tuesday carter sat down behind a brand new drum set...from what henry told me
it is a Yamaha Studio Series, all maple.  5 mounted toms and one floor
carter said he loves it...the set sounds good and carter had a hot week...

Wayland


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 7:39 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Dave's hair

Sorry Blake... after sound check on saturday night dave got a haircut!
it is short...

Wayland


Posted By: mmakunas@Emerald.tufts.edu
Time/Date: 7:41 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: WWW page is here!!!!!!!!

I finally got it together. There is now a DMB home page. The URL is:
http://www.tufts.edu/~mmakunas/DMB/dmb.html
It still needs work but at leat ther's something there. If anyone wants 
to help me out let me know. 

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-Mike Makunas-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
"This species has  | mmakunas@emerald.tufts.edu |"There's no way to
amused itself to   |  mmakunas@jade.tufts.edu   |delay that trouble
death"  -R. Waters | World Wide Web home page:  |coming every day" -FZ
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Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 7:50 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Re: dave stats

through October 92: +30 songs
through October 93: about 3 new songs--granny, rhyme and reason, say goodbye
through October 94: 0 new songs. 
    next person to see Dave, please tell him to get off his ass.

                      
--kerry
                The devious gelatin holding me fast
                Miraculous now, you let me ooze past


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 7:50 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Re: ravings of a madman

On Sat, 1 Oct 1994, Brett wrote:
> could bands making it big be causing their own demise?  I mean, with bands
> that take the song and jam and be creative in that horde kind of way, when
> they make it big, the people going to their shows don't want that, they want
> the top-40 single they know.  so, the band changes accordingly.  call it a
> loss of integrity or whatever you'd like, they're just playing to their
> audience (which dmb does all the time; slow or fast..).
Take a look at Phish, obviously there are enough people out there who 
enjoy long jams...It's up to Dave I guess to stick with his earlier 
playing style....
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Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 7:57 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Re: tim reynolds

On Sun, 2 Oct 1994, Chris Colin wrote:

> Does anyone have a tape of Dave playing with Tim Reynolds at the Birchmere
> this summer? I'd love a copy of that.
>                                                                   Chris

Chris- 

	I'm assuming you are a newcomer to the list (reason will soon be 
apparent). If so, welcome!
	Anyway, the Birchmere didn't allow taping, so there were no Board 
feeds, but my friend got a decent audio tape on his DAT, which I recently 
offered to netters. I'm a little backed up on the whole deal now, but if 
you hang on to this message, and reply in 10-14 days, reminding me of who 
you are and what you want, we'll see if we can work something out.
					-Adam



> 
> 


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 9:20 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Rusted Root, with some obDMBc

To anyone who is in va and didn't go see rusted root tonight, or anyone
anywhere who hasn't gone to see them when they're around, stop it and go next
time.

[  btw  -  i'd like to apologize to the people I met briefly tonight..  had
   to get back in a hurry ]

but, I did find out something, thats, well...  kinda neat.  :)

mike glabicki (lead singer type) told me they'd be back in the area in about
a month, and they'd be playing with (ta dah) dmb.  a few people around him
dropped their jaws and started drooling at the mention of dave, which kind of
frightened him I think, but that _is_ going to be one incredible show....

hope to see y'all again soon.

take care,
brett

ps- hellos to austin and gambier, where two very jealous people live.  ;)

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Brett Kingswell                                       bmking@mail.wm.edu
"hey..  i think you're all allowed to come up to the front of the stage
 here.. "     - Dave Matthews at multiple shows.....


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 9:44 PM Sunday, October 2, 1994
Subject: Horror stories at the front of the stage

Ahh the stories we could tell.....here's my 2 cents

At an usually crowded Trax in, I think, spring of 94, I had somehow 
secured a spot about 3 feet from the front, which meant I could never go 
to the bathroom, but anyway, these multitude of girls, all fairly young 
looking, were near the front. Before a song, this one girl yells "Dave I 
wanna have your baby!" or something to that effect. He says "This next 
song is about babies" and plays the XMas Song. It gets worse. These 4 or 
5 girls, since they could obvuiously read the inside of R2T, new all the 
words, and proceeded to sing most of it at the top of there lungs, esp 
the "I want to be your girlfriend/wife" lines. This was topped off by the 
fact that some girl on crutches thougth it was her right to barge all the 
way up to the front.
Kinda makes me laugh listening to bootlegs when he talks about lack of 
attendance, etc...anyways


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Posted By: HFEJP@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu
Time/Date: 12:48 AM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: DMB in Texas?

Hey-

Does anybody have any info on whether DMB has ever played anywhere in Texas??
I just moved to Austin from Williamsburg, VA, and as my good friend B. is fond
of pointing out, I'm very jealous of all those East Coast types that get to see
the great bands (esp. Dave and Rusted Root) on a regular basis.  I'm suffering
from withdrawl down here.  Just wondering if anybody had ever heard of them
playing west of the Mississippi. . .

Thanks!

Beth.


Posted By: rkroll@sas.upenn.edu
Time/Date: 2:15 AM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: A Week of Dave shows

WAYLAND POND wrote:
> 
> Setlist- TLA, philly, 10/1/94
> 
> One Sweet World
> Best of What's Around
> Dancing Nancies
> Warehouse
> Say Goodbye
> Satellite
> Tripping Billies
> JImi Thing
> WWYS
> LIe in our Graves
> Lover Lay Down
> Rhyme and Reason
> Typical Situation
> Ants Marching
> 

     They opened with #34, then One Sweet World.


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 5:19 AM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: there's never a forever thing..

yup. sorry everybody... i know my sub lines usually have absolutely nothing to
do with my post content. 

a- 'blue water' is called 'blue water babbon farm'. the 'baboon farm' is added
to the song title when boyd does teh crazzy psycho wacked-out motha-fuckin
sanity-ripping ear schreeching dizzy-making fiddle. of course... i haven't
heard it without the wah peddle so i dunno if it'd be the same. but anyone who
has this song knows what i mean about the schizo violin solo. this song was
NUTS with peter... and the official definitively BEST VERSION of 'bwbf' is the
11.17.92  hands down.

rusted root kicks ass. i want to quit school and follow them on tour. i had a
mah-velous time at their show tonight (what little we did catch... but that's
blake or gray's fault. it's always their faults. always.) i love fun-dip.

'you can lose your head. you can lose your mind. you can loose your way.
                     keep your eyes and still be blind'

lots-o hugs to everybody. 
i need hugs... so i'm sending them out hoping i might get a few in return.


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  'even when i'm right with you i'm so far away i can try to get away but i've 
 strapped myself in i can try to scratch away the sound in my ears i can see it
  killing away all my bad parts i don't want to listen but it's all too clear'
                                 -nin-
                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
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Posted By: fostecl4@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 9:30 AM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: raleigh show, etc...

Just had to say how incredible the raleigh show at the Ritz was....
..HOWEVER..if anyone has ever seen dmb at Towne Point Park in Norfolk, 
Va., we must bond over the extreme (cheapness) coolness of those shows.  

	Whoever wrote in about the screaming teen girls during 
"Satellite", I've never laughed harder....the crowds at concerts are 
becoming a little young or trendy or something....more money for dave, 
though.  Ahh..the old days when you could just dance right before the 
stage WITH feeling in your legs...
...can't wait for ZIGGY's in November 94...

If anyone has a tape from the early days at Trax or from a better than 
incredible show...I'd love a copy...I'll send a tape or $$$$$ or whatever...
got to go to class......
Carrie (fostecl4@wfu.edu)


Posted By: IBASSIN@WESLEYAN.BITNET
Time/Date: 11:35 AM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Roseland 9/30

First the Set:
Best
Satellite
WWYS
Dancing
Warehouse
Say Goodbye (Quick Lay, Just 4 2night)
Jimi
Rhyme
Pay 4
Tripping
Minarets
Typical
Recently
-
One Sweet
Halloween
 
OK, So Dave gets on stage, looks out at the SOLD OUt! crowd and says something
like, "when they told me we were playing here, I didn't think we'd fill up
half of it" and as if he was one of the New Kids On The Block, four thousand
12 and 13 year old girls start to scream. Dave could have said he was feeling
flatulant (which wouldn't have surprised me) and the girls would have screamed.
Ben was absolutely correct, the crowd (size and behavior) was nauseating.
Needless to say, I'm psyched to see the dave element im used to tonight.
 
As for the show. First, Halloween was unreal, sick drum solo and all of the
nervousness Dave looked like he felt in front of such a big crowd was screamed
out in that song. Some critical notes, ever since this summer, it seems like
the band is rushing through songs a little. I was listening to 3-23-93 yesterday
and it occurred to me that Dave didn't come anywhere near the extended jams
that he used to. Best started and ended before I knew it. The other thing,
and I guess this is expected with a major label album, but does he HAVE to
play all of UTTAD every show, I mean he's playing 9-10 songs off of it per
night like it's required or something. Now I love the album, and I love to
hear him play any song off it, but I feel bad that theres only 4 slots left
in a show for 2 Step, Granny, Graves, Quick Lay, all of R2T and everyother
kicking song. well, enough for now, see you tonight at Toad's.
PS Roseland was a great performance


Posted By: benjamin@sccs.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 11:50 AM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: A Week of Dave shows

On Mon, 3 Oct 1994, Robert H Kroll wrote:

> 
> WAYLAND POND wrote:
> > 
> > Setlist- TLA, philly, 10/1/94
> > 
> > One Sweet World
> > Best of What's Around
> > Dancing Nancies
> > Warehouse
> > Say Goodbye
> > Satellite
> > Tripping Billies
> > JImi Thing
> > WWYS
> > LIe in our Graves
> > Lover Lay Down
> > Rhyme and Reason
> > Typical Situation
> > Ants Marching
> > 
> 
>      They opened with #34, then One Sweet World.
> 
> 
> 
They did NOT open with #34.  They opened with that amazing intro that 
they always play before One Sweet World.  Does anyone know if this has a 
name, or if it is just considered part of OSW??  I think that it might be 
their sweetest tune, so I always label Intro -> One Sweet World.

Ben

" . . . sometimes it takes a jimi thing just to keep me swingin'"

				- Dave

Play disc.  Disc.  Disc.  Disc.  And try to relax a little bit too.

Benjamin Booth '95				benjamin@sccs.swarthmore.edu
(610) 690 - 3772				bbooth1@cc.swarthmore.edu


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:03 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: One Sweet Intro

On Mon, 3 Oct 1994, Benjamin Booth wrote:
> > 
> They did NOT open with #34.  They opened with that amazing intro that 
> they always play before One Sweet World.  Does anyone know if this has a 
> name, or if it is just considered part of OSW??  I think that it might be 
> their sweetest tune, so I always label Intro -> One Sweet World.

I had never heard Dave play One Sweet without this intro until R2T came 
out, and I was very dissapointed he lefdt it out. It has varied from just 
the guitar to the whole band kickin in on it...but IMHO its definitely a 
part of One Sweet.....
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Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 1:16 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: One Sweet Intro

On Mon, 3 Oct 1994, Boofy the critical mosher wrote:

> I had never heard Dave play One Sweet without this intro until R2T came 
> out, and I was very dissapointed he lefdt it out. It has varied from just 
> the guitar to the whole band kickin in on it...but IMHO its definitely a 
> part of One Sweet.....

I've seen it done without the intro, but's it's definitly part of One 
Sweet World.  Wayland would probably recognize Song #34...

peace and jah love,
Blake


Posted By: wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:23 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: A Week of Dave shows

this intro has ALWAYS been the intro to one sweet, they just jam
a bit during it now...the band left that intro completely OUT of
R2T, which pissed me off a lot...ohwell...

Wade


Posted By: SHERWOODS@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 2:38 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: One Sweet Intro

Does anybody out there in Dave land have a live version of Satellite
with the different words? That go a little something like this:
Sun will shine
No matter what I do
Sun shines bright now with you
What a wonderful thing for you to do
Moon shine bright
Reflection in your eyes
(and so on...)
I have a demo tape of just Dave but I would love to land a live version.
There is another song on this random demo tape that I don't think they
play anymore live because the song was backed mostly by Peter's piano.
The song starts:
Seven tumbling oceans surround
The ground that I dance upon
Black and white and the rainbow five
Colors in my eyes control
People, people
What are we doing in here
Oh people
When we stand over the ocean (chorus)
I think the name of the song might be "The Ocean" and would to hear
from anyone who has a live version of it.


Posted By: SHERWOODS@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 3:35 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: what happened to #36

Can anybody tell me why DMB is putting #36 on the backburner.Thanks


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 4:48 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Intro to one sweet world or #34

yes, blake, i would recognize #34, thank you for pointing that out.
Ben(jamin) thanks for posting and stressing the truth about the opening
song at TLA. I listened to my tape just to make sure and it was the 
intro to One Sweet World that they have played off and on for a long
time.  To everyone who didn't have the chance to catch the soundchecks from
this week, i am sorry, because that is when they were playing #34...
and yes, it sounded great, and it lasted at times over 10-15 min.
(as wade can point out from uva, one hot jam) anyway, i do not think

they will ever open with #34, or for that matter ever play #34 live 
again, especially without lyrics...plus it has too much meaning with
miguel and the days playing it with peter like 3/17/93(i think) at 
the miguel valdez benefit shows...pick up that tape and you will find
out why the song means so much and is so rare to hear at a live show
i do like the instrumental #34 on the cd, nice touch, but a much better
song in its old days

I guess now i have gotten caught up in posting a lot lately for one reason:
i guess i am getting fed up with all the crap on the net now, and the 
questions and i just want to add my $.02 worth like everyone else.
i just couldn't stay quiet anymore... there will be more to come in the 
future...

For the few of us that were around close to the beginning of minarets,
have you noticed how things have changed? just wondering...


'all comes down to nothing'


Wayland


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:PMEA8678@URIACC.URI.EDU
Time/Date: 5:59 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 298

I've been subscribed to MINARETS for only a couple weeks and have just
been sitting and reading.Finnally, I've decided to throw some things out
regarding some of the more commmon discussions.

Instead of complaining about the lack of Boyd on UTTAD we have to understand
that for the first time we get to hear what this outstanding group of
musicians can accomplish on a major  label studio recording.
After repeated listening I think that most would agree that on
UTTAD we get to catch our first glimpse of Boyd as a VIOLINIST
instead of the fiddler that we all know and love.

As for this fear of commercial success,if we all know ourselves that the
integrity surrounding this band will exhist regardless of whether they are
on MTV or not than we have nothing to worry about

Would you like to play, with a fool holding hands with a one-eyed jack
of spades?


Posted By: jbg2@cec.wustl.edu
Time/Date: 6:28 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: ST. Louis!

To any netters in St. Louis, I found out Dave is gonna be at Mississippi 
Night Friday, Oct. 21.  It's an all ages show and there's a $5 cover 
charge.  Rusted Root will be opening up for them.  You should probably 
get there early-with all the posts I've been reading lately, I'm gonna be 
prepared for a sell-out.  Unfortunately, there are no advance ticket 
sales, so I plan on getting there well before when the doors open, which 
I believe to be 8PM.
			Josh


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 6:31 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: what happened to #36

> Can anybody tell me why DMB is putting #36 on the backburner.Thanks

it's still being done...


Posted By: rbyerly
Time/Date: 6:48 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject:

I was wondering if anyone knew the deal with tickets for DMB's show in 
Montreal this Wednesday at "Club Soda".  Any help would be great.  
Alex Crothers says that getting tickets at the door won't be a problem but I 
have a feeling this show might sell out- Iknow a lot of people from 
Burlington, Vermont are heading up there.  Thanks for your help in advance, 
Rick Byerly

HEY CROTHERS!!!!


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 7:07 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 303

>
>through October 92: +30 songs
>through October 93: about 3 new songs--granny, rhyme and reason, say goodbye

what about doobie thing and heathcliff's?  plus christmas song is post oct
92, and halloween is kinda stuck in between these two categories.

>through October 94: 0 new songs.
>    next person to see Dave, please tell him to get off his ass.
>
>
>--kerry
but here's where i agree with you.  let's say we include the ever so elusive
'old mother' and the non-existant (and i really mean non-existant.  i don't
know anybody who has actually heard it) 'little monkey in a crowd.'  let's
also say we include all of his covers, which i believe includes something
like 7 if we include sweet home alabama and me & julio.

let's do a little math here.....30+3+ oh... maybe 10= roughly 43 songs in
his __entire__ setlist.  rotation boils down to maybe half that.  what's
all this amount to?  repetition.  and i mean serious repetition.  i noticed a
setlist a coupla posts back with no ants.  ASTONISHING!!!  when was the last
time any of us saw that happen?

what i feel like i'm saying here is that-- yes, you can get kinda sick of dave
band.  with maybe 60 hours of dave tapes, the only song of these 43 i don't
have are 'drive in, drive out', the two obscure songs i mentioned in my first
paragraph, and the cover of the samples' 'nature.'

dave really needs to write some music, and i think he should play some of that
music so that the people who like him so much don't get sick of him.  

now here's my god awful prophesy:  dave band is _not_ going the way of phish
or grateful dead _at all_.  they are going the way of rem.  not that i don't
like rem, but they are the sort of band that plays a show for the audience that
is there to hear it, not for themselves.  

i think that if dave keeps going on the tangent he's on, he's going to keep
playing the same shows, over and over again, because he wants the audience
to hear certain songs, not because he wants to play certain songs.  and if
the audience is different in every town, then dave can play the same songs
over and over again.  why do you think he cut the intro out of not only
one sweet world on r2t, but tripping billies as well?  to make them more
palatable.  

also, maybe someone could tell me if last tuesday's jimi thing was over
20 minutes long.  i highly doubt it.

now, i'm not trying to say any of this is bad, i'm just trying to point it
out.  people are going to start getting annoyed at setlists, and i really
don't think that they are going to vary too much any time soon.  if dave
is really headed towards the phish movement, we'll see a really sick mooshie-
minarets-->blue water within the next two weeks.  or a tripping billies encore
with an intro where daves screaming puts both halloween and rhyme and reason
to shame (wheredya think he channeled all that energy before he wrote hallween
or r+r).  but i'm not going to count on it, and therefore won't take the 
chance of driving 500 miles to see them in hopes of seeing the one song they
haven't played in a while, because they won't.  i'm not going to stop listening
to them because of all this, but i'm not going to put out a concentrated 
effort to go see them live, when i've seen the same show before (regardless of
whether it was with 300 other people in an off night at trax or whether it
was with 15,000 other people at a crowded amphitheatre).  

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 7:13 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: another quick note on the faq...

hopefully one night this week i'll be able to sit down and do some 
serious work on updating the faq.  when i'm done, i'm posting it, so
that everyone who's asked for it in the past week (which far, _far_
outnumbers the number of people who have asked for it in the past
year), will have their own copy.  if i try to send it out to each
new person individually, it would take me at least a coupla weeks,
because it takes a few seconds to send out a file that big, and
a few seconds is generally all i have, meaning about 3 people a day
would get it.  so keep an eye out. it's  a hard thing to miss, and
should take up an entire digest, at least.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 7:38 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Blue Screen Show Playlist 10/3

Hey everyone,

The Blue Screen Show w/ Chico and Ooodz, 2-3:30 Sunday Nights/Monday Mornings
89.3 WNUR-FM, Evanston-Chicago

10/3/94 

"Brazil Theme"   ............Brazil Soundtrack
"Don't Whiz on the Electric Fence"(underneathe opening) Ren & Stimpy
"Deal".......................Jerry Garcia Band
"What Would You Say".........Dave Matthews Band  3/26/94 NYC Irving Plaza
"Time is Free"...............ARU 5/20/92 Santa Cruz
"2001-->Mike's Song-->Simple-->Mike's Song-->Jerusallem City of
Gold-->Hydrogen-->Weekapaug Groove".....Phish 7/2/94 GSAC
"Stand"......................Blues Traveler (studio)
"Makes Sense to Me"..........Widespread Panic 11/23/93 Jackson, MO
"Warehouse"..................Dave Matthews Band (Studio)
"Big House Blues"............Ren & Stimpy

Any Feedback about playing a 35+ minute Mike's Groove?

 |
/ \

Brian

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Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 7:49 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 298

On Mon, 3 Oct 1994 PMEA8678@URIACC.URI.EDU wrote:

> After repeated listening I think that most would agree that on
> UTTAD we get to catch our first glimpse of Boyd as a VIOLINIST
> instead of the fiddler that we all know and love.

All we get to hear is Boyd as an echo-laden overdub of himself.

> As for this fear of commercial success,if we all know ourselves that the
> integrity surrounding this band will exhist regardless of whether they are
> on MTV or not than we have nothing to worry about

The point that a lot of people have made is that the band has to some 
extent ALREADY given up the tasteful experimentation and originality that 
they had until relatively recently.

Perhaps we could do a little statistical analysis of the setlists since 
last Tuesday night?  I'll get back to you all.

Sorry for being all salty but . . . that's the truth, Ruth.

--Ben


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 7:59 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Rick's recnet wise remarks

> 
> dave really needs to write some music, and i think he should play some of that
> music so that the people who like him so much don't get sick of him.  

All the more telling is as Graham reports, Dave has written five or six 
new tunes (including one last week) and yet he doesn't play them. 

Do you think he wants to?  Probably he does. 

> now here's my god awful prophesy:  dave band is _not_ going the way of phish
> or grateful dead _at all_.  they are going the way of rem.  not that i don't

yes.  I saw DMB two nights at the Georgia Theater in February and I don't 
think they COULD do two nights now if they wanted.  They don't have 
enough material in the current line up to do two long sets in two nights 
(let alone four sets, two each night) without MAJOR repeats.  

> also, maybe someone could tell me if last tuesday's jimi thing was over
> 20 minutes long.  i highly doubt it.

so do I.  But if it was, I want a copy.

> now, i'm not trying to say any of this is bad, i'm just trying to point it
> out.  people are going to start getting annoyed at setlists, and i really
> don't think that they are going to vary too much any time soon.  if dave

Hey, frankly I think it is bad.  I'm annoyed, too.

> is really headed towards the phish movement, we'll see a really sick mooshie-
> minarets-->blue water within the next two weeks.  or a tripping billies encore
> with an intro where daves screaming puts both halloween and rhyme and reason
> to shame (wheredya think he channeled all that energy before he wrote hallween
> or r+r).  but i'm not going to count on it, and therefore won't take the 
> chance of driving 500 miles to see them in hopes of seeing the one song they

Let's hope for the Blue Water on Saturday night!  Although I'd be one of 
about a dozen people to know that song, by the looks of the individuals 
planning to hit the Avalon from this god-awful school. 

> to them because of all this, but i'm not going to put out a concentrated 
> effort to go see them live, when i've seen the same show before (regardless of
> whether it was with 300 other people in an off night at trax or whether it
> was with 15,000 other people at a crowded amphitheatre).  


--Ben


Posted By: wandres@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
Time/Date: 8:10 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: ST. Louis!

Someone said Mississippi on Oct. 21..... Where in Mississippi?  It's a 
pretty big place you know!
 
wandres@tulane.edu


Posted By: jbg2@cec.wustl.edu
Time/Date: 8:34 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: ST. Louis!

On Mon, 3 Oct 1994, Victor Wandres wrote:

> Someone said Mississippi on Oct. 21..... Where in Mississippi?  It's a 
> pretty big place you know!
>  
> wandres@tulane.edu
> 
Not Mississippi.....Mississippi Nights.  It's a bar in St. Louis, Missouri.

				Josh


Posted By: rk3e@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:42 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Starting a DMB newsgroup?

Hi,
	A friend and I were wondering why there isn't a DMB newsgroup
like alt.music.dave-matthews-band or something.  While Blues Traveler
and Phish  newsgroups have some discussion of DMB, we thought it would
be cool to have a strictly DMB newsgroup.  We are relatively new to the
internet, though, and are a little daunted by the whole starting a new
newsgroup thing.  We'd be willing to look into it and give it a try
if people on minarets are in favor of it and will use it.  Is there
any problem anyone forsees?  Our reasoning is that the newsgroup format
is alittle more accessible and user friendly.  Also, if any internet
veterans would like to help us out or just give us advice, we'd 
appreciate it.  
		Thanks!

Rahul Keshap (rk3e@darwin.clas.virginia.edu)
and
Greg Plog (gap3s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu)


Posted By: SAKUNZ@MIAVX1.BITNET
Time/Date: 9:16 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Chitown show

Hey,
        Anyone know about the ticket info for the Chicago, Vic Theater, show?
Have tix gone on sale???  Are they available at Chicagoland
Ticketbastardassholepiece of shit outlets???  Any and all info would be
appreciated,
 
Steve


Posted By: MEDICUS@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU
Time/Date: 9:29 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: ga amp show

please excuse the salutation but i found out some info today about the Athens,
GA show on Friday October 14.  Tickets will be on sale starting Sunday Oct 9
at Big Shot Records on College Street at 1 pm.  The cost will be $12.00.
see you there.


Posted By: RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 9:37 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: hey.....

> > dave really needs to write some music, and i think he should play some of that
> > music so that the people who like him so much don't get sick of him.  
> 
> All the more telling is as Graham reports, Dave has written five or six 
> new tunes (including one last week) and yet he doesn't play them. 
> 
> Do you think he wants to?  Probably he does. 

Personally i think dave is a perfectionist..... it seems to me he has some
songs but they haven't reached a point where he feels comfortable playing them
in front of 300 people yet.....

i agree thought that he needs to vary setlists....maybe even keeping the same
songs but jam them long like 20 minutes long so in a set he gets half the songs
then they can do cool stuff like play star wars as an intro and stuff....
they need to do more covers imho and do them their own way...

thanks
rich

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Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 11:38 PM Monday, October 3, 1994
Subject: Re: hey.....

On Mon, 3 Oct 1994, Its not what but who you're with... wrote:

> Personally i think dave is a perfectionist..... it seems to me he has some
> songs but they haven't reached a point where he feels comfortable playing them
> in front of 300 people yet.....

Dave a perfectionist?  Comfortable playing an unfinished song in front of 
three hundred people?  He did just this every Tuesday and Wednesday night 
forever.  Half of the fun of seeing DMB play (for me anyway) was seeing 
songs evolve from Dave playing them solo, making up words as he went 
along (if you hear any words you like, make sure you write them down and 
give them to Jeff, our soundman...)  Watching as each band member found 
his nitch in the groove...

Granted, times have changed...The band is more professional, we might not 
see Dave come out and do a bunch of songs solo.  I'll miss it.

peace and D'oh!,
Blake


Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 1:00 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: A few things

More from John Alagia and the other night: he said that after Dave finished 
recording and listening to the new song ("Let You Down"), he was hopping 
around and dancing and said to John that they should get this one out soon 
"on vinyl" so who knows, maybe he'll go crazy and release a single of new 
material that isn't on his album.  Or maybe RCA would be too anal and not let 
him do something silly and rash like that.  Still, I want the song.  He needs 
to at least play it live.

Also, I asked John about that intro to One Sweet World and he said that it 
was going to be another song (by itself) but that Dave never really finished 
it and it would up just being the intro to OSW.  It's a great progression 
because it modulates in the middle from D to B (as I recall -- verify, 
anyone?) and that also makes it a real bitch to solo over (which is why Leroi 
does it and not Boyd).

Okay, that was the tip of the iceberg, that little comment there about Boyd.  
Gotta' open the can of worms again.  Boyd has a) the most charisma of anyone 
in the band and, b) the least talent.  His solos are redundant, almost always 
the same live, his songs are mediocre at best and -- this is the worst of all 
-- HE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE OUT OF TUNE.  I just can't stand to listen to some 
of my tapes, especially new ones because he's sometimes out almost a half 
step.  The tape Alagia played me from UVa was horrid -- the whole band 
sounded like they were playing in different keys sometimes.  Has anyone else 
noticed this?  Oh wait, I didn't mean the playing at UVa was horrid, just the 
fact that it was so painfully out of tune.  Dave and Stefan are usually in 
tune together but that horn and violin are sometimes.... well, not.

Whoever just quoted those Dave-new-song stats is right on the money.  He 
really does need to get off his butt.  Granted, I just heard that he wrote a 
new tune but that is 1 for the year (that we know of).  And, maybe it's just 
me, but the setlists are pretty darned redundant.  Certainly not anywhere 
near the variety you'll see on the stage from that opher band...

reid

SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


Posted By: rkroll@sas.upenn.edu
Time/Date: 1:53 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: Intro to one sweet world or #34

Sorry for the mistake regarding #34 vs. OSW. Contrary to what someone 
suggested, I was not trying to show anyone up.  I went back and listened 
to the tape and realized I had made an honest mistake. 

I've been a DMB fan for quite  a while but only recently subscribed to 
minarets.  Sorry my first post was such flamebait.

Rob


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 2:55 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: hey....... (musings and popsicle slurrs....)

sorry rich.. but
DAVE a PERFECTIONIST?!!?!?!

i don't see it. look at the evolution of such songs as 'ani/anti-noise:quick
lay and goodbye:just for tonight:say goodbye'... do you see perfection in any
of those? i am under teh assumption that when you say 'perfection' you are
disregarding dave's zest to improvise lyrics and tunes and talk onstage.
'rhyme and reason'? looooooong evolution to become what it is now....
'drive in drive out'? still evolving.. not perfect yet, but perfect in every
version played so far... (can you follow the trail i'm leading everyone?)
'seekup'? now that it's lyrics are basically definitive it doesn't
necessecarliy make it perfect....

this isn't a phlame.. all who know this net know me and know i NEVER phlame...
but this is rather an informative musing on the nature of this particular post
(not this particular person.. who is a kind soul and roi lusts to pinch his 
butt... hee hee 2/26/94)
 my point is to say.. that i don't see dave in any way a perfectionist... he's
too free-spirited and exploratory to just wait till a particular song is
'perfect' tillhe plays it... (all us old min.netters and fans know this..)
  i bet that there is a reason dave isn't playing whatever new songs he's got
for a reason... whatever it is, i dont' care.. but variety never becomes
stagnant... and dave needs to add some spices to his pasta cause it's getting
kinda soggy and redundant..... (no, benjamin-fozzy-girl-bunny... _NO_ lemon..)

here's a kind've reminder to all the recent minarets.netters who've joined our
family...  please make sure you double check queries you're sending in to the
net before you do so..... and be patient with us veterans.. we know you all may
not be as vintage about material/facts/tapes as us, but redundancy of certain
questions becomes.... well... redundant.. especially when it was answered only
days before in another digest.....
any comments/questions/ruffled-feather-responses/hugs/or whatnot
please be directed to the below address/addresses....

with light and grace,
clare emily
 'hiding with the raisin girls........'



********************************************************************************
  'even when i'm right with you i'm so far away i can try to get away but i've 
 strapped myself in i can try to scratch away the sound in my ears i can see it
  killing away all my bad parts i don't want to listen but it's all too clear'
                                 -nin-
                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: pwchan@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 5:13 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: A Week of Dave shows

>On Mon, 3 Oct 1994, Robert H Kroll wrote:
>
>> 
>> WAYLAND POND wrote:
>> > 
>> > Setlist- TLA, philly, 10/1/94
>> > 
>> > One Sweet World
>> > Best of What's Around
>> > Dancing Nancies
>> > Warehouse
>> > Say Goodbye
>> > Satellite
>> > Tripping Billies
>> > JImi Thing
>> > WWYS
>> > LIe in our Graves
>> > Lover Lay Down
>> > Rhyme and Reason
>> > Typical Situation
>> > Ants Marching
>> > 
>> 
>>      They opened with #34, then One Sweet World.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>They did NOT open with #34.  They opened with that amazing intro that 
>they always play before One Sweet World.  Does anyone know if this has a 
>name, or if it is just considered part of OSW??  I think that it might be 
>their sweetest tune, so I always label Intro -> One Sweet World.
>


The song is called Route 2.  They played it at the Lake Matoaka music
festival here at William and Mary last April.  I have a sweet bootleg of it
that is 2nd generation soundboard.
                               -Paul


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 10:13 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: 'After Her' & 'People, People' Song ID

I don't remember who posted this but this first song is called, "After 
Her" and, as far as i know, has never been played live.

The second song is called "People, People" and exists on some earlier 
tapes--maybe early to mid-1992

Alex Crothers
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Does anybody out there in Dave land have a live version of Satellite
with the different words? That go a little something like this:
Sun will shine
No matter what I do
Sun shines bright now with you
What a wonderful thing for you to do
Moon shine bright
Reflection in your eyes
(and so on...)
I have a demo tape of just Dave but I would love to land a live version.
There is another song on this random demo tape that I don't think they
play anymore live because the song was backed mostly by Peter's piano.
The song starts:
Seven tumbling oceans surround
The ground that I dance upon
Black and white and the rainbow five
Colors in my eyes control
People, people
What are we doing in here
Oh people
When we stand over the ocean (chorus)
I think the name of the song might be "The Ocean" and would to hear
from anyone who has a live version of it.


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 11:11 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Toad's setlist and other stuff

First things first:

One Sweet World (With a long intro that was neither Route 2 or Song #34!!)
Best of What's Around
Song That Jane Likes 
Dancing Nancies
Warehouse 
Satellite
Rhyme & Reason
Say Goodbye
Jimi Thing
Pay For What You Get
What Would You Say
Two Step ->
Ants Marching

E: Watchtower
   Halloween

No big surprises at all. Not even any little surprises. The crowds at DMB 
shows continue to annoy me slightly- lots of people yelling for "Ants" 
and discussing how cute Dave is. Oh well- At least I impressed a lot of 
people during Two Step by teling them the song they were waiting for was 
next :). 
	OK- enough whining. Despite the above problems, I had a great 
time. The band sounded great- possibly the best I've heard them live. 
Granted, I'm a northerner who rarely gets a chance to see DMB- only 10 
times or so, but I was still impressed. Some versions were a little short 
(Jimi Thing wasn't even close to 20 min.), but some stuff sounded great. 
The Watchtower encore had a little Roi solo that doesn't appear on any of 
my tapes, and there were a few other small surprises in the jams for me. 
Leads me to believe the band isn't heading down the REM road quite yet. 
Granted, Phish they ain't, but then, they've never really tried to be. 
Even if the setlist never changes, at least the songs do. Carter got in a 
nice Jam before Halloween. 
BTW- whats the progress on the FTP site? Just curious.
Clare- not too much drug use. Luckily- they allowed persons 21 and over 
to leave and come back, and I live right across the street, and.... well, 
you get the picture. 
Bye for now- more wandering and illogical postings to come.
				-Adam


Posted By: bseal@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 11:13 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Dave opening for PHISH?

Anyone out there heard the rumor that Dave is opening for PHISH in 
Nashville October 18th?  Could someone tell me if it's true?


Thanks,
Britt


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:MFOR8178@URIACC.URI.EDU
Time/Date: 11:24 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: TOADS PLACE

Went to the show last night. A few Things to say.

Low Points - Didn't get my interview with Dave :-(
             The under 21 section was too crowded
             No TIM REYNOLDS!!!!
            Tim Reynolds not on Dancing Nancies
             Show ended, by midnight
             From Good Homes did not open up (an excellent band that all should
                                               see)

High Points:- Was guest listed with a photo pass !!!!!!!!;-)
              Red Stripes were tasty.
              All Along the Watchtower
              The incredibally crowded under 21 section was much nicer about
letting me get to the front and take pictures, than the far less crowded over 2
1 section on the side of the stage. However the under 21ers wanted me to stay
and be part of the giant circular pelvic hip thrust dance circal that was going
 on.
              No screaming 12 year olds!!!
              Yale women have enough respect for themselves not to throw off
                an article of clothing every time dave looks their way.
              Halloween!!!!!!!


 Ok Ok so all in all it was a phenominal show. Does anyone know why TR wasnt
there? Is he going to be on the rest of the tour?  Toads was really cool,
the crowd wasnt bad at all(probably one of the best crowds Ive seen in recent
 memory)
Maybe a little too much merchandising going on, but I guess he can make money
if he wants to.

  Also, I found a DAT taper who has a mutual friend with me. So I am Psyched!!
Later,
Mike


Posted By: MEAGHERJA@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 11:24 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: people, people

	Is it me or does a question about the song "People, People"
appear monthly on the net?  Yes, the song was written by the former
keyboardist Peter Greisar and no they don't do it anymore b/c Dave doesn't
want to do it without Peter.  He did mention possibly recording it 
someday.
	It was good to see the band in great form last week. Let's hope
they stay that way.  Let's also hope they start to vary the setlists a lot.
Let's also hope that they keep changing the songs ever so slightly.  That's
what keeps it interesting.
	Just my two cents.  As for the "People, People" thing, maybe it
should go in the FAQ because dead horses should be allowed to rest.

					JIM


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:MFOR8178@URIACC.URI.EDU
Time/Date: 11:27 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Help Me write my article

Ok, so I saw the band last night and have listend to the disk, and now it is ti
me to write the article for Fridays paper so lots of people want to go into
Providence to see the band. First I need some ?'s answered. Since I didnt get a
n interview, I can only ask you'll
1) Is Tim Reynolds playing the rest of the Tour(he was not their last night)?
2)What is his relation to the band?
3) Any first week record slales stats out there. How about DMB vs. REM vs. BHT
   vs. GSW
4)Someone quoted an article on here claiming DMB was the Best Unknown Band in A
merica. What magazine was this? Does anyone else know of any other reviews

this favorable.
5) Any other really cool facts that might be good to include in the article?
Thanks alot,
Later,
Mike


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 11:30 AM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: A Week of Dave shows

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Deez Nuts wrote:

[a long ass quote, which I deleted]

> The song is called Route 2.  They played it at the Lake Matoaka music
> festival here at William and Mary last April.  I have a sweet bootleg of it
> that is 2nd generation soundboard.

I've got an even sweeter soundboard master and I assure you, the song IS 
NOT called Route 2...

Whoever labled it as such was wrong.


Posted By: TPUSATERI@tlc-486.clemson.edu
Time/Date: 12:01 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 304

Hello fello DMB fans,
    My name is Troy Pusateri and I am a freshman student here at
Clemson University. Originally, I am from Baltimore Maryland. I use
to have the luxury of trading DMB bootlegs, but since I'm stuck here
in east buttfuck, I need your help! If any one out there is
interested in trading---your list gets mine. I am preferably looking
for older shows, but any will be great.
    So how do you like the new album? I think it's to fancy. It just
shows you what a studio can do to a great band. The quality is good,
but does not sound like the same as R.T.T. All in all, I think DMB is
still incredible. Whats this about DMB opening for Phish??? That
would be interesting to see live. I have several bootlegs of the two
bands playing together, but have never experienced it live.
    EAT, DRINK, AND BE MERRY---------------TROY PUSATERI


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:08 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: dmb is dead/phish type band?

Ivan Snyder says: "DMB is more of a Grateful Dead/Phish type band.  You can
never really tire of them."

I suppose this was NOT a joke, so here are some things to think about:

Dead and Phish play different sets every night; have hundreds of songs.
Dead and Phish jam (something I've only seen DMB do twice: warehouse 11-3-92,
recently 11-23-93.)    And I have to say that DMB jamming has a LONG way to
go.
llater



--kerry
                The devious gelatin holding me fast
                Miraculous now, you let me ooze past


Posted By: kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:17 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: songs

As for doobie thing, heathcliff's christmas song and halloween:
  doobie thing: no singing, and has been played no more than 10 times (i
think)
  heathcliff's: been played 3 times, maybe?
  christmas song: i suppose you could count this, though it's not a full band
song.
  halloween is a "through oct 92" song.


--kerry
                The devious gelatin holding me fast
                Miraculous now, you let me ooze past


Posted By: IBASSIN@WESLEYAN.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:24 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Toad's Heaven

Last night was the shit. The best Dave show I have ever seen. It's tough
giving the nod to a one setter compared to some of the all night 2 set shows
that I've seen him play, but the jamming and cohesiveness and energy of last
nights show left everyone at a loss for words.
 
One Sweet Intro->
One Sweet World
Best
Jane
Dancing
Warehouse
Satellite
Rhyme
Pay 4
Jimi
Say Goodbye
WWYS
Two Step->
Ants
-
Watchtower
Halloween
 
We all, crushed like sardines, watched with gleeful faces and complete amazement
as Dave and the gang tore up ultra extended versions of Dancing, Jimi, TWO
STEP! and Ants. Boyd was the best I've ever seen him, his violin strumming intro
to two step was a definate highlight. Carter blew everyone's mind, the intro
to halloween was just as kicking as it was Friday night, Although Friday's
night's version was equally unreal. Watchtower melted down into an awesome
mellow interlude and came screeming back up. I'm still haunted by Rhyme.
This was THE show, I cannot express the energy and musical interplay that
sent the whole crowd flying. Hate to do this, but if someone taped that,
I have 700+ hours to trade for it. Is anyone driving from the middletown,
Conneticut area to the Northampton show? I could use a ride. Thanks, Ian


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:06 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: dmb is dead/phish type band?

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, kerry kriger wrote:
> Dead and Phish play different sets every night; have hundreds of songs.
> Dead and Phish jam (something I've only seen DMB do twice: warehouse 11-3-92,
> recently 11-23-93.)    And I have to say that DMB jamming has a LONG way to
> go.
While I agree with these points there are some others
1)The Dead sell out 3 nite stays at large football stadiums...
2)20 minutes of Dark Star or Maze can get kinda boring....
3)Dave could play different sets if he felt like getting the old stuff out..

My point is Dave could be a little miniature version, shorter jams (I 
think Dave does a little more improv than those two shows) etc of Phish/Dead

Just my well meaning two cents.....
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Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:10 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Good ideas, but too many of them

This isn't meant to phlame any of the lucky people who have gotten to see 
a Dave show recently, but isn't there a way we can keep the setlist posts 
down to one or two. I love hearing peoples differeent opinions of the 
shows, but seeing the setlist in evey letter gets kinda redundant...
Well, there's probably not much to do about it, but I guess just check 
and see if its been posted already.....
Anyways, hopefully I'll get to write down a setlist of my own soon...

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Posted By: RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 1:57 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: a misunderstanding i think.........

hey everryone thanks for all the warm responses to my post ;)
when i said dave was a perfectionist i mean musically ......not lyrically....
to say that would be stupid.....as most of you guys pointed out....
rearely do we see dave change what he plays in a song..... everyone else might
jam in a different part or a different way but dave rarely if ever changes what
he plays..... i think this is obvious when you look at his jimi thing solo...
being a guitar player i look at that and say i wonder how long it took to write
that...now i can't say he plays it different at different shows but the two
times i have heard it on tape with a dave solo.....its the same thing.... it
seems to me dave is conscience (sp) about how the song sounds musically not
lyrically....

just a thought though

have fun
thanks
rich

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Posted By: BLBLALOC@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:59 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: meandermeander. . .

any particular reason why dave doesn't play cry freedom anymore?  i know its
basically a solo song, but he didn't even play it when he and tim played at jmu
or the movie palace, c-ville...at birchmere?  i really like this song....
does he have peter grieser, people-people type reasons for not playing it?

and what about doobie thing?  has the band played it recently?  (i haven't
really been paying attention to the million and half setlists that keep popping
up ... but i haven't seen it in a while...)  when dmb played at jmu last dec
someone requested it during the soundcheck and dave remarked that he didn't
remember it.  it took a while, but they finally ripped through a verse or two
of it. 

can any of you fortunate people who drink and talk with dave shed any light on
these momentary shadows of thought?  

btw: by 30 september, town & campus records...350 copies uttad sold...twice as
  many as REM .
                      :)

brian.
  ---------
penguins are so sensitive to my needs -


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 3:13 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: One Sweet World = Satellite = Piss Ben Off

Just wondering if anyone who has seen shows on this brand spankin new tour
have seen a super slow one sweet world?

all i know is that 1 suite whirrled (oh rick you are such a master linguist)
at roseland was slower than any others i've heard and frankly it scares me.
 ben LIKES that song.  ben wants to KEEP liking that song.

so.
relay your 1SW speed questions to me, the net, etc

'don't be afraid to open your eyes...'


ben


just another memo from the cellar,

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Posted By: jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:14 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Dave on Local News

Haven't seen this posted yet, and I thought you all might be
curious.
Those in the area last Tuesday probably didnt see it because they
were already at the show.
Those not in the area, dont get local news.

On Tuesday, 9/27/94, near the end of the Channel 29-WVIR (local
NBC affiliate) Dateline News (circa 6:20pm?), a local reporter
interviewed Dave Matthews from a media stand at the top rim of
the area surrounding McIntire Amphitheatre at UVA, where DMB
played. It was very silly.

She noted that Charlottesville Mayor David Toscano (a wonderful
man) was to read a proclamation declaring it Dave Matthews Band
Day in Charlottesville, and asked Dave what he thought.  Didnt
tape it, so I don't have the exact wording, but it was something
to the effect of, "Well, I didnt finish high school, so this is
all very surprising."  She asked "what kind of show do you have
planned for tonight"; Dave laughed, smiled, and said, "Oh, I
don't know. A naked dancefest with Ollie North or
something?...No, we're just gonna get out there and do what we do
and see what happens." Then, continuing a *huge* grin, Dave
smiled to the side as the silly reporter wrapped up.

e

-- 
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
      "Sophisticated technology makes the superstitious
       and irrational seem reasonable."--Abbie Hoffman
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
       Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:14 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: DMB-related article from Charlottesville paper

transcribed for archive purposes; no criminal or commercial
intent, benefit, or interest maintained by the transcriber; just
passing along info to those interested....
-----------------------------
"Police arrest man on drug charge: Marijuana allegedly found on
Roanoke student", University Journal (UVA student daily),
Thursday, September 29, 1994; p. 1, col 5(by Caroline Cole)

        "A sophomore from Roanoke College was arrested Tuesday
for marijuana possession at the Dave Matthews Band concert in the
Amphitheatre. University Police arrested the student at 8"17
p.m., only a few minutes after the band had started playing.
        "University Police Sgt. MaryAnn Gritman said that "other
people appeared to be smokling," but police made no other
arrests.  The student was released on a summons and is scheduled
to appear in the Albemarle County General District Court on Nov.
8.
        "A similar incident occurred in early September, when
four University students were stopped and questioned for
possession of marijuana in the cemetary beside the McCormick Road
dormitories, Gritman said.  She added that the students were not
arrested at the time and that charges still have not been filed.
        "Gritman said the incident is being investigated by the
Drug Task Force Unit, a joint force between University Police and
the Charlottesville and Albemarle County police departments. The
task force was formed Aug. 2 to target non-crack drug users and
dealers.
        "Gritman said the task force has no specific criteria for
investigating and arresting students for possession of drugs,
adding that "a lot of times it depends on the amount of drug.
        "One purpose of the task force is to "make some contacts
and see if there is a flow of [the drug] coming into Grounds,"
Gritman said.  She added that it can be a {sic} outlet for
students to share any information they know about drug dealers or
users.
        ...
        "The task force was designed to help reduce use and
availability of drugs, other than crack, including LSD,
marijuana, ecstasy, and powder cocaine, University Lt. Bill
Morris said earlier this year.
        ...
        "Susan Grossman of the University's Institute for
Substance Abuse Studies said at the beginning of the school year
that University students should be aware of the increased
enforcement by the task force."
----------------
"Dave Matthews Baaa8123^C^C
*&^&3


-- 
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
      "Sophisticated technology makes the superstitious
       and irrational seem reasonable."--Abbie Hoffman
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
       Keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train...


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 3:50 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: TOADS PLACE

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Michael Formica wrote:

>  Ok Ok so all in all it was a phenominal show. Does anyone know why TR wasnt
> there? Is he going to be on the rest of the tour?  Toads was really cool,

ummm...maybe because he isn't a member of the band???


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 3:51 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 304

>For the few of us that were around close to the beginning of minarets,
>have you noticed how things have changed? just wondering...
>
>Wayland
you know, this is one of the things that bugged me the most about
phish.net.  all the old timers sitting around bitching about how
cool things used to be.  it's posts like this that make me think things
like "wayland, you're gonna vote for ollie, aren't you?"

just deal with it.  when you start complaining about things you annoy
other people, which leads me to flame you for it, which leads to more
annoying things, etc, etc, etc.  minarets has gotten bigger, just like
dave band has.  with more people come some problems, and we should just
work with them to keep minarets a happy place.  not the same place, mind
you, just a happy one.  

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 4:04 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB-related article from Charlottesville paper

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, ellis godard wrote:

>         "A sophomore from Roanoke College was arrested Tuesday
> for marijuana possession at the Dave Matthews Band concert in the
> Amphitheatre. University Police arrested the student at 8"17
> p.m., only a few minutes after the band had started playing.

END MARIJUANA PROHIBITION!!!

>         "University Police Sgt. MaryAnn Gritman said that "other
> people appeared to be smokling," but police made no other

yeah right...

this is so lame...don't they have anything better to do than mess with 
some poor kid with joint?

DMB should tour in support of NORML.


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 4:10 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: people, people, and impatience on the faq...

hello, hello, hello.

an interesting thing was happening about twice daily on phish.net when
i left there:  people were coming on and asking what the words to
you enjoy myself were.  so, anyone who had been on phish.net
for more than 12 hours had to read the following:

"goddamit, it's 'washa uffize and drive me to firenze!!!!!!!!!
 how many times do we have to tell you?????"

point?  once again, deal with it.  dave.net is now a pretty big place, 
and there's going to be a lot of people who are trying to find out as much 
as possible as quick as possible.  i realize i'm not helping any by hording
the faq to myself, but a faq that says "and dave's new album, tentatively
titled 'remember two things' is due out in november"  is a useless faq,
and i'm trying to find time to rework it.  i'm hoping to post it next
monday, and alex is looking into the feasibility of getting listproc
to make sure it is by itself in a digest, so that those of you who already
know everything don't have to flip through the entire thing to see what's
on the other side.

so let's open our arms as wide as clare's and give all the newbies a 
big hug, tell them that peter wrote the song, then tell them who peter
is:

peter is the former keyboardist of the dave matthews band who decided
in early 1993 that things weren't in his best interests, so he left
the band.

ciao...
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 4:10 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: tim reynolds and route 2.

tim reynolds is a guitarist from charlottesville who dave used to (and
may still, eventually) play acoustic shows with.  tim is not a part of
the band, he was only a guest on uttad.  

and i think that route 2 is a great name for the intro to one sweet
world.  imho, i think it needs a name now that it's so infrequent.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 4:26 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: a misunderstanding i think.........

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, If I let you in my dreams can I be in yours? wrote:

> rearely do we see dave change what he plays in a song..... everyone else might

it's not really that rare...he adds little fills all over the place.

> jam in a different part or a different way but dave rarely if ever changes what
> he plays..... i think this is obvious when you look at his jimi thing solo...

I think Jimi Thing is a great example that Dave DOES improvise, 
especially when playing with a guest (check out some of the Jimi Things 
from this summers HORDEs, Warren Hayes makes Dave do some crazy shit)
Until December 93, David rarely even took a solo in Jimi (some 
exception 1/19/93 somes to mind) I'll be the first to admit that I hate 
that solo, but the song can still go anywhere, and it often does...


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 4:27 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Cry Freedom? Don't hold your breath. (Re: meandermeander. . .)

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, remember to breathe wrote:

> 
> 
> any particular reason why dave doesn't play cry freedom anymore?  i know its
> basically a solo song, but he didn't even play it when he and tim 
> played at jmu or the movie palace, c-ville...at birchmere?  i really like 
> this song.... does he have peter grieser, people-people type reasons for 
> not playing it?
> can any of you fortunate people who drink and talk with dave shed any light on
> these momentary shadows of thought?  

August 19, 1993.  Wetlands.  Dave attempts to start Cry Freedom.  He 
can't remember how it goes.  Carter offers to help (you can hear this on 
the tape-- "I'll help you Dave") and then they just give it up.  

Sigh. . . .  Another song resigned to obscurity.


--Ben


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 4:30 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: TOADS PLACE

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, C. Blake Campbell wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Michael Formica wrote:
> 
> >  Ok Ok so all in all it was a phenominal show. Does anyone know why TR wasnt
> > there? Is he going to be on the rest of the tour?  Toads was really cool,
> 
> ummm...maybe because he isn't a member of the band???
> 

Thanks Blake.  

However, I may be responsible for this becasue on 8/31/94 I passed along 
information from Carter that Tim Reynolds was going to be with the band 
on their fall tour.

This has not happened.

I intend to ask Carter about this on Saturday.

--Ben


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 4:46 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: don'tcha just love these questions?

hi guys.  i was listening to a tape I have labelled as Van Ripers 1992, with
2 ants, 2 satellites, and 2 so much's on it, so i don't really know what it
is to tell the truth..  but, between I'll back you up and satellite at the
end of the tape (it's not labelled at all), is a song i've never heard before,
& couldn't find any reference in the lyrics faq and don't recognize a bit of
it.

it's dave solo (pretty sure..), and through the dylanlike mumbling all I can
make out is:

[...]
you will lie down
you will soon lie down
the only way down
lay me down lay me down
[...]
i will leave destiny to chose which direction it is i'm going to
i will leave destiny to chose which direction it is i'm going to
[...]
for fear we will go away
most may most may leave this quiet playground
[...]

anyway, it's real faint, and all I can really make out are a lot of lie/lay
down's and the lines about destiny..

never heard it before, and haven't recognized any discussion about it, and
it's dave solo..  for some reason I remember hearing/reading about a song
called Lie Down, but that might be the mind playing tricks..

smile of the day: leroi playing santa claus is coming to town in the middle
of lover on 5/5/92 WTJU.

be nice,
brett

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you can't expect to hit the jackpot if you don't put a few nickels in
the machine.


Posted By: sholcomb@vt.edu
Time/Date: 4:59 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Calm Down!

I think a lot of people out there are a bit too demanding of Dave!  get off
you butt and write more songs???  I don't think song writing is something
you can do like a 9 to 5 job.  You don't just sit down and bang out a song
anytime you want to.  Whatever happened to inspiration?  I've always
believed that songs are special and should evolve naturally.  You can't
force the creative process and that's something that makes it so beautiful
and special to me.  The same goes with a long jam.  That's something that
just happens.  I don't think bands such as Dave sit down and say "we're
really gonna jam this one out for a long time."  It just happens.

A lot of people out there are expecting Dave to do
this and that for them, such as write more songs and play more diverse set
lists (which also requires more writing or covers), while other people out
there are hoping the DMB doesn't go the way of Phish and the Dead and just
play for themselves and not the audience.  Sounds like there's a
contradiction there.  And who says that the Dead and Phish play only for the
crowd.  I read an article where Trey said that he has thought about playing
or not playing songs just because he played it last night and some people
won't want to hear it twice, but he also said he tries to ignore those
feelings and play what he feels like playing.  There's nothing wrong with
playing for the audience, either.  Most musicians feed off the energy of the
crowd.  The audience is an important part of a show.  If they don't give a
shit about the audience, why don't they just stay at home and play in the
garage and make albums and never tour.

I got on this net so that I could hopefully hear more discussion about a
band.  I got tired of reading the Phish digests and hearing people bitch
about stuff, like the Dead.  Now I come over to this net and people are
talking down about the Dead AND Phish.  Come on folks.  Different people
like different music.  Please don't put down someone elses's music just
'cause it doesn't speak to you.  Maybe they aren't talking to you.

Anyway, that's my $16.475 on the matter.  Hope I didnt' step on too many
toes, but I do hope I stepped on a few.


                 "What if the monkey on the train
                  isn't left-handed?" - my roommate

                                      Scott


Posted By: NAK315@aol.com
Time/Date: 5:20 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Problem w/ listproc

I have tried to unsubscribe from minarets a bunch of times.  I have tried all
combinations of commands and names.  I can't seem to get unsubscribed.  Is
there a problem with the listproc or am I a total spas.  Any help you can
provide is much appreciated.


Posted By: taocon@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 5:30 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Avalon and OSW

People who were worried about DMB ticket prices going up really do have
something to worry about. Even though the face value of tickets is
relatively low, $13 for the Avalon, the Ticketmaster service charges threw
the price up about $6 more. Shitty. I tried going through the 1800TIXX
number, but they couldn't hook me up there. If DMB wants to keep prices
down, they've gotta find away around Ticketmaster. Easier said than done.

There's also been a lot of banter back and forth about what exactly the
name of the One Sweet World intro is. I have the same Lake Matoaka tape
with it listed as Route 2. But someone insists it's NOT Route 2. Any
consensus out there of what it is? We've established just what it isn't,
now can we get on to what exactly it is?! Just an into to OSW, or something
unique?

I'm going a long way for the Avalon show; Williamsburg to Boston. If DMB
shows have gone the way of NKOTB teeny-bopper, pre-pubescent, hormonal,
tasteless, tacky, and utterly obnoxious screaming little kids, I think I'll
have to issue some old skool beatdowns. Anyone else whos going to be there
wanna give a hand?


Posted By: dat4@cornell.edu
Time/Date: 5:34 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: DMB is the best

Please give me the necessary info for subscribing to the Dave Matthews Band
network---thanx---Dave


Posted By: jjthomps@teton.Mines.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 5:54 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB-related article from Charlottesville paper

>         "A similar incident occurred in early September, when
> four University students were stopped and questioned for
> possession of marijuana in the cemetary beside the McCormick Road
> dormitories, Gritman said.  She added that the students were not
> arrested at the time and that charges still have not been filed.
>         "Gritman said the incident is being investigated by the
> Drug Task Force Unit, a joint force between University Police and
			  ^^^^^^^^^^^

huh, huh, he said "joint"...

would this be the dark side of the force, or the "light" side?

Sorry, I just always get a kick out of "joint" task forces,
Jason

"Fat babies have no pride..."


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 7:25 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: Help Me write my article

I sent this to the whole net so it could be checked for accuracy... sorry 
to waste space.


On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Michael Formica wrote:

> Ok, so I saw the band last night and have listend to the disk, and now it is ti
> me to write the article for Fridays paper so lots of people want to go into
> Providence to see the band. First I need some ?'s answered. Since I didnt get a
> n interview, I can only ask you'll
> 1) Is Tim Reynolds playing the rest of the Tour(he was not their last night)?

Not that I know of

> 2)What is his relation to the band?

Tim has his own band- TR3. Dave and Tim are friends, and OCCASIONALLY he 
joins the band onstage. More often, he works with them in the studio and 
plays with Dave in acoustic shows- there have been several of these.

> 3) Any first week record slales stats out there. How about DMB vs. REM vs. BHT
>    vs. GSW

The band's popularity has made them very inaccesible at shows- that is, 
they don't wander in the crowd during the opening band, etc. I talked to 
Jeff (soundboard guy) last night and he told me that the initial shipment 
was 160,000, and these were selling VERY well. R2T sold 110,000 or so (?) 
before UTTAD came out- sales will probably take off for that again.

> 4)Someone quoted an article on here claiming DMB was the Best Unknown Band in A
> merica. What magazine was this? Does anyone else know of any other reviews
> 
> this favorable.
> 5) Any other really cool facts that might be good to include in the article?

Lots- just keep checking the internet!
					-Adam


> Thanks alot,
> Later,
> Mike
>


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 7:38 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: sorry, can't let this go by

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Scott Holcomb wrote:

> and special to me.  The same goes with a long jam.  That's something that
> just happens.  I don't think bands such as Dave sit down and say "we're
> really gonna jam this one out for a long time."  It just happens.

My contention is that it USED to happen (more than others on the list 
have asserted today) but that jamming HASN'T happened in too long.  

> A lot of people out there are expecting Dave to do
> this and that for them, such as write more songs and play more diverse set

WRONG.  All I expect is that he and the guys will do it FOR THEMSELVES.  
And I feel that they are not doing for themselves.  They're doing for the 
people who want to hear Tripping Billies just like they did it on R2T.  
Sure it's nice to play a request for a fan every once in a while (they've 
pulled some tunes out for people at shows I've been to), but I'm going to 
see a band to see them do what THEY want to do, not what the idiot next 
to me wants to hear.  I want to hear Boyd and Leroi and Carter and Stefan 
and most of all DAVE expressing themselves.  If the way they do it is by 
playing the same songs every night, maybe it's all the better for me 
because I don't have to go traipsing all over the east coast to see 
them.  I can just see one or two shows and then go home, pop in the tape 
whenever I want, and take comfort in the fact that wherever the band is 
tonight, you all at one or another show are hearing just what I'm hearing 
through my headphones as I read a book at my desk.  Doesn't this sound 
like it might get a little bit BORING?  Yup.  It does to me.

> lists (which also requires more writing or covers), while other people out

My main problem here is that more diverse set lists for the Dave Matthews
Band DO NOT require writing more originals or covering more tunes.  It
requires choosing more liberally from among the 40-odd songs in the realm
of possibility for this band. 

> Anyway, that's my $16.475 on the matter.  Hope I didnt' step on too many
> toes, but I do hope I stepped on a few.

Ouch!  That's my toe Scott!

Another complaint of mine:  the $16.475 Scott offered isn't enough to buy 
a ticket to the show on Saturday.

The more I think about it, I know very close to for sure what tunes I'm 
going to hear this weekend.  I don't think that's a good thing.

>                                       Scott

--Ben


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 7:47 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Route 2

Sorry to post so much today, especially because it's so crowded, but I 
think I can clear up this Route 2 thing.
	I have a tape of 12-11-93, Williams College, where a song 
labelled Route 2 leads into One Sweet World. Note- this is DIFFERENT than 
the regular One Sweet World opening. Dave mutters some lyrics- sounds 
like he's making them up on the spot. One line mentions something about 
driving down Route 2. Anybody else have this tape and want to back me up 
on this?
This is my last post for a while- I promise :)
					-Adam


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:BH7N@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA
Time/Date: 7:58 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Cry Freedom

Dave did play cry freedom as recently as last February
at the Birchmere. I hope he does keep it rare, so It doesn't
get standardized and overplayed!

Kwon
"You can tune a guitar, but you can't tune a fish"


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 8:09 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: is there such a thing as proper "NETIQUETTE"?

this is just a friendly msg to all of you out there...

 a few tips for making friends and avoiding unnecessary flames:

 1-(THIS ONE IS SO IMPORTANT!!!)
  when you arrive at a new newsgroup, spend a couple of weeks to a month
lurking (reading messages without posting your own) to get a feel for the place
before adding your two cents.
 2- keep your posts brief and to the point (something i myself am deftly good
at straying from).
 3-stick to the subject of that particular newsgroup (never been a problem here
in minarets, and talk of other bands is welcome if done so in good taste).
 4-if you're responding to a message, quote the relevant passages or summarize
it for those who may have missed it.
 5-don't start a flame war unless you're willing to take the heat.
 6-don't type in all caps. (IT'S LIKE SHOUTING!)
 7-(one of the MOST important):
   read your FAQs and dont' ask stupid questions.

rick'll have the faq done soon.. and it should answer some of those lost
questions...

any problems with this msg.. mail personally to silly 'ole me...
drink your milk.
eat your peanut butter cookies.
and when you go out into the world... hold hands...
love and light, 
clare emily



*******************************************************************************
we should have eachother to tea... we should have eachother with cream... then
cuddle up by the fire, and sleep for awhile, it's the grooviest thing, it's the
perfect dream.... thecure....you think your tired now, well wait until three...
 
                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 8:18 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: sorry, can't let this go by

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Ben Tanen wrote:

> Another complaint of mine:  the $16.475 Scott offered isn't enough to buy 
> a ticket to the show on Saturday.

damn man...that's pretty steep.  For $16.475 I'd expect Carter to play 
vacuum, or Stefan to take that sock off of his head or something.  Of 
course, if Rusted Root is playing, it's WELL worth the money.

> The more I think about it, I know very close to for sure what tunes I'm 
> going to hear this weekend.  I don't think that's a good thing.

I'll bet you a no prize that I can get it within TWO songs.

Blake's virtual setlist to any DMB show this weekend:
 
Best Of What's Around
Warehouse
Satellite
Say Goodbye
Jimi Thing 
Pay For What You Get (what's up with them playing THIS song so much?)
Rhyme & Reason
Tripping Billies
Dancing Nancies
Minarets
Two Step->
Ants Marching

E: Recently (w/ some people like to do stuff intro)->
   Halloween (never thought I'd complain about seeing this on so many 
              setlists)

well, that's it...I even went for order.


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 8:26 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: virtual setlist

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, C. Blake Campbell wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Ben Tanen wrote:
> 
> > Another complaint of mine:  the $16.475 Scott offered isn't enough to buy 
> > a ticket to the show on Saturday.
> 
> damn man...that's pretty steep.  For $16.475 I'd expect Carter to play 
> vacuum, or Stefan to take that sock off of his head or something.  Of 
> course, if Rusted Root is playing, it's WELL worth the money.

carter on vacuum.  WHAT A CONCEPT!

> I'll bet you a no prize that I can get it within TWO songs.
> 
> Blake's virtual setlist to any DMB show this weekend:
>  
> Best Of What's Around
> Warehouse
> Satellite
> Say Goodbye
> Jimi Thing 
> Pay For What You Get (what's up with them playing THIS song so much?)
> Rhyme & Reason
> Tripping Billies
> Dancing Nancies
> Minarets
> Two Step->
> Ants Marching
> 
> E: Recently (w/ some people like to do stuff intro)->
>    Halloween (never thought I'd complain about seeing this on so many 
>               setlists)

Oh, well not bad Blake but between Saturday and Sunday we'll get at least 
one Watchtower I think.  They're in the process of killing that one too.

And all the sudden Halloween like it's going out of style?  

Dave must have a lot of angst these days.

> 
> well, that's it...I even went for order.
> 

Who would have ever thought I'd be wishing for Jane song?

--Ben


Posted By: fostecl4@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 8:40 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: FIESTY, aren't we???

Just a note about the last digest I received....
Dave Matthews is a common interest between all of the great fans of he 
and his band....I really don't care to watch one apparently omniscient 
fan DOG the other ones, because they may have listened to him longer or 
seen more shows or met him once or whatever....so my point is....

      "You must chill...YOU MUST CHILL!"
				- John Cusack - "Say Anything"

..get over it...i know there aren't any rules to this net, but a little 
decency is in order...TO EACH HIS OWN, Ok?  

If you plan on trashing someone's opinion, just make it humorous...
..could just be my southern manners getting to me...
sit back and relax..the world's full of mistakes(and mistaken people)
		NO REASON TO GET "ANTS-Y" ...(heheheheheh)

just my $.02, 
Carrie     

F.Y.I.  ---Boyd plays on the new samples cd(that really kicks) 
            "autopilot" - everyone should check it out!

Can anyone remember the last time Dave played TRUE REFLECTIONS?  I miss 
that song...if anyone has a copy, I'll send a tape or $$....


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 8:51 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Oh my Minarets is so BIG (wa wa wa wa)

gawd you minarets people don't know how good you got it!  phish.net is a
joke.  it is disgusting how bloated it is.  I'd say the wasted
post:interesting/important post ratio is at an all time evil, maybe 9:1 (this
is no exageration).

I believe I've been on minarets since at least near the beginning of it (i
definately remember digests around #60, and it's possible i've been here
since the 1st one. duh. i dunno. i'm stupid that way.), even when i only read
it to read about song titles (i love song titles by bands i don't know),
since I didn't know Route 2 from the OSW intro...

Anyway, the point of this post (there IS one?), is to maybe kinda sort of
stop complaining about something that, at least in my eyes, is the last cool
place left. oh the pain.



ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
*             "hold onto nothing               *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*             as fast as you can"              * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*                   -Tori Amos                 *  --   New York, NY  --  *
**************************************************************************


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 9:08 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: Route 2

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Adam Vann (BK 1995) wrote:
> 	I have a tape of 12-11-93, Williams College, where a song 
> labelled Route 2 leads into One Sweet World. Note- this is DIFFERENT than 
> the regular One Sweet World opening. Dave mutters some lyrics- sounds 
> like he's making them up on the spot. One line mentions something about 
> driving down Route 2. Anybody else have this tape and want to back me up 
> on this?

I'll back you up.
	wops. what a cliche.
The story behind this is: DMB arrived late at Williams because of a huge 
snowstorm [I was suppose to drive down from Vermont but the weather was 
too bad] and didn't get a chance to soundcheck.  This mumbling is 
basically the soundcheck.  He talks about coming over a mountain in the 
snow and someone sent them on Route 2 over the mountain. 

It's about 6 minutes long and is no part of One Sweet World.  They stop 
the impromtu(sp) soundcheck and then start OSW.

If Eric is still out there, he can probably elaborate since he was there.

Some excerpts:

[We got stuck on the top of a mountain...in the snow
And someone sent us on Route 2, wherever the hell that is
over the mountain]

It's cold yeaaaaah

[it's pretty cold in Massachussetts....
... compared to Virginia]

She walks in my head
Old mountains change my way
Oh walking would've been faster
the mountains got in the way
Alot of snow today
the snow today
in william here
play my head ????		)
i would've been			)
??????				}mumblings
got me tired again		)
drive 2 miles an hour down the mountain trail
can't go any faster, gonna lose my way
can't go any faster gonna lose my way
gonna ride on a mountain in this wind today
gonna be late if we don't find our way
[some ahhhhhhs and yeaaaaaahs]
[mumblings]
gonna be late if we don't find out way
ohh muscle
ohh hussle

alex crothers


Posted By: FERENCZB@hartwick.edu
Time/Date: 9:49 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: THe Root!

if anyone has any Rusted Root bootlegs and wants to trade i would be really
happy. I have 200+ hours of Phish, 50 of GSW and 50 of DMB. or i can send
blanks if that's what you want.
"Sit back, Relax, smoke my mind, makes me feel better for a short time...."
 thanks in advance peas Benny :-)


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 10:06 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: yet more on dave and his songwriting...

scott brough up points that any musician good or bad, different or
indifferent (whatever that means), or whatever...that songs aren't
something you force, they just happen.  but if that's the case, why
is dave sitting down for interviews and saying things like "i just want
to write music until i explode."  he's not writing music, he's only
playing it.  

a lot of people originally got into dave band because
of his uniqueness.  he provided something fresh to a pretty stale art
form, but now that he's decided to limit himself, whether consciously
or not, those people are getting bored.  one of the reasons for 
developing such a steady discussion (ie: this net) is to continue to
elaborate on all the new and intriguing things that come up; all the
different takes on the songs we like so much; all the anticipation of
seeing something we've either not in a while or not seen at all.  but
where is that right now?  now that i see that wherever i go in the nation
i'm going to see the same show, why should i sit around and listen to
everyone talk about how great it was.  is there really a point to 
discussing entire tours as opposed to individual shows?

"so, how was summer 95?"  
"it was great!  they played tripping billies, satellite, warehouse
 and dancing nancies, and their encore was a ripping two step into
 ants."
"oh really?  they did that same encore last winter.  two tours in
 a row with the same encore gets a tad stale.  i hope they change
 it back to halloween for spring 96"

and still, i don't mean any of this derogatorily to dave band.  each 
band has its own playing style.  they have their own goals in mind, and
what other bands (oooooooh, there's that "other band" term we used
to see on that "other" net last year) have in mind may not be what
dave band wants to do.  i say let's just watch and see what
happens.  if they turn back into the live band that so many of us
originally lost our shit over, then more power to them (and us).  if
they continue to appeal to these recent trends of studio pop sensibilities,
even _more_ power to them.  if they come back to va again (and i have
money this time) i'll go check it out.  but when they line up they're
dream venue such as a two night stand at the fox in atlanta, i'm not
going to trek across the country to see it.  i doubt many other people
will, either.  

i guess what my last 6 or something posts have been trying to say
is that dave band seems to be evolving in a direction that's different
from what brough me into them in the first place.  so it's time to
let other people experience them for what they are and what they want
to become, which in my opinion is a studio band.  as a joke, dave once
told me that his first major label debut was going to be titled "songs
that everyone wants to hear."  i think it kinda fits.  dave likes 
appealing to people.  god knows carter, leroi, and boyd do too.  they
know that people like their music, so they're going to play that music
for those people.  

enough of my rambling.  i've been pissing off too many
people with my outspokeness now for two or three days, so i'm going to
try and shut up now and work on the faq.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: peterke3@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 10:16 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: A few things

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, Butros Butros Smith wrote:

> 
> Okay, that was the tip of the iceberg, that little comment there about Boyd.  
> Gotta' open the can of worms again.  Boyd has a) the most charisma of anyone 
> in the band and, b) the least talent.  His solos are redundant, almost always 
> the same live, his songs are mediocre at best and -- this is the worst of all 
> -- HE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE OUT OF TUNE.  I just can't stand to listen to some 

Yes!!! I agree!!!!! i HAVE noticed this- I love boyd, but its not only 
him- they all are often off key...even on the new album.


> new tune but that is 1 for the year (that we know of).  And, maybe it's just 
> me, but the setlists are pretty darned redundant.  Certainly not anywhere 
> near the variety you'll see on the stage from that opher band...
> 


I have one question-- Its been my impression that Dave has been on the 
road non stop for a long time now... and we all know how TIRING travel 
can be- even as a passenger in a long car trip i get exhausted... my 
point being, when do you all suspect he has had the time and energy to 
write all of these songs you all are demanding? Id love some new stuff 
too, but the poor fella must get pretty beat.

Also- any word on the Ziggy's show in Nov? I went to that lovely show 
that was cancelled (sigh...) and couldnt get to the Fri reschedule so i 
am hoping to catch them this time around. I called Ziggys and they seemed 
pretty surprised that i had caught wind of their impending trip to 
Winston Salem (aka the armpit of NC). actuallly, the guy was darnright 
pissed off. He said "how do YOU know?" and then told me they were still 
working on it. Then when i asked for a possible date he said "WHY?!" "so 
i can figure out if i'll be in town dumbshit!" anyhow, he would only tell 
me 1st or 2nd wk of Nov... anyone got anyother news on this particular show?
thanks-Kristin


Posted By: chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 10:32 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Re: Pardon ..but im gona be the mother from hell for a sec

WAYLAND!!
i just read your post where you wrote something to the effect of  "those 
of yall that have been around since close to the begininng of minarets 
..have you noticed how things have changed? just wondering.."


wellsomething to that effect ..
since ive met you a couple of times im gona assume that you wrote that 
with a smile on your face  ..and that if you wrote it with a frown that 
youll publiclly pretend otherwise.

mayb it was me but it came across as potentially open to being 
interpreted as a snide statement  ... since there are lots of newbies 
newer thatn me out there i just felt like pointing out that minartes 
seems to pride itself on being kind an open and welcoming  ... yeah yeah 
..posts have been out of control in number recently ...but thigs might 
quiet down or if not we can still strive to keep the same good attitude 

hope i didnt step onyour toes wayland .. i just felt like making sure 
noone got confused and thought that was a sideways snotty comment  
..cause it be really rare to have stuff like that on minarets

thats my dose of motherlyness
catherine
cheers folks!


Posted By: jle@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 11:04 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject: Can't we all just get along?

There seems to be an awful lot of ripping on people going on this net - 
why can't we all just get along?  Everyone on this net shares something 
in common - they enjoy the music of the Dave Matthews Band. For everyone 
who posts a message and gets ripped on, that is one person whose opinion 
we may not hear again.   Let's stop blaming things on the newbies, let's
 stop ripping on people who express their opinions, and discuss the 
phenomenon that is Dave, pleasantly.


Posted By: ERHERKNER@main.rmwc.edu
Time/Date: 11:07 PM Tuesday, October 4, 1994
Subject:

subscribeerherkner@main.rmwc.edu


Posted By: dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 12:50 AM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: NY and Philly and Ants...

> Quick Happy Note: NO ANTS! NO ANTS! NO ANTS!

I really don't understand these people.    Ants Marching is the song that
got me INTO DMB.    I told that to Leroi on Friday, and he said, "Yeah, I
think Ants is on the Philly setlist..."

And sure enough it was.    And sure enough it rocked.    Also, I'm sad to
say, the crowd-riding fools almost ruined it.   Enough to get a "whatever"
shrug from Dave to the Band.    

More later on that unbelievable weekend, and for now, I'll quote Dave:

"Too much of a good thing CAN be a good thing...
Don't tell me you wouldn't be happy if you were gettin fucked 24 hours a
day... at least for a weekend."

-Dominic
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
read.   listen to dave.    read.    play disc.    type.    
listen to dave.    write.    type.    play disc.    sleep.   eat?
see dave.    sleep.    play more disc.    see dave again.    sleep.
eat.    listen to dave.    read.    sleep?

repeat until what you see is human screaming from the Minarets...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dominic Sagolla '96           dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu          
Swarthmore College            dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu                
                           Swarthmore, PA 19081         
sagolla@sccs.swarthmore.edu


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 1:02 AM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Soap Opera!?!

I feel like I'm in a soap opera.

alex crothers


Posted By: stan.spad@s-griffin.com
Time/Date: 1:15 AM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: 10/3/94 show

hello.

i went to the 10/3/94 show at Toad's and was wondering if anybody taped
it. if so, PLEASE trade with me. i have some phish to offer or i can
send blanks. it was my first DMB show and i really want it on tape,

thanks,
stan.spad@s-griffin.com


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 1:44 AM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: dave tour dates

Here are the latest dates again.  Not that anything has been added, but 
just to repost.

The only new dates are the European run around Halloween.  Things are 
still being confirmed.  Amsterdam on Nov.2.--even that date is tentative.

	5 Club Soda, Montreal, 9:30pm 514.270.7848
	6 Lee's Place, Toronto, 10:00pm 416.532.7383
	
     ** 7 Horizontal Boogie Bar, Rochester-**CANCELLED**
 **new date** 7 AJ Palumbo Theatre, Pittsburg, PA 412.434.6058	
		     -opening for Rusted Root
        8 Avalon Ballroom, Boston, MA 8:15pm 617.262.2605
	9 Lapo's Heartbreak Hotel, Providence, RI 401.831.4071
	11 Pearl St., Northhampton, MA 9:00pm 413.584.7810
	12 Stone Balloon, Newark, DE 9:00pm 302.368.2001
        14 Georgia Theatre, Athens, GA 706.353.3405
        15 Oak Mt. Ampitheatre w/ *Phish*, Pelham, AL 205.985.8797
        16 Varsity Theatre, Baton Rouge 504.383.7018
        17 House Of Blues, New Orleans 504.529.2624
        19 Club Lafeyette, Oxford, MI 601.236.4977
        20 328 Performance Hall, Nashville, TN 615.256.6151

remember to call before you haul....

>From Good Homes are opening for Dave at a bunch of these dates...

alex crothers


Posted By: wandres@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
Time/Date: 12:47 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Re: dave tour dates

>         16 Varsity Theatre, Baton Rouge 504.383.7018
>         17 House Of Blues, New Orleans 504.529.2624

 I have tickets to both shows now, the New Orleans Date should be
Tuesday August the 18th.  The House of Blues Calendar shows The Dave 
Mathews Band with Rusted Root in smaller letters.

Just thought cha might like to know.
 
victor
wandres@tulane.edu


Posted By: budkee@unvax.union.edu
Time/Date: 12:56 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Starting a DMB newsgroup?

Well, I'm not a huge contributor to the group and all, but I really
don't think that it should go usenet.  In my view all usenet really
does is decrease the S/N ratio of the group.  

Also the way the bt one is as an alt group it is not picked up by
nearly as many machines.  In the usenet ehirarchy a rec group goes to
many places and from what I know they are very hard to get fo such
things as bands w/o A LOT of support.  So basically you are still
leaving out a bunch of people and then the group gets diluted.

In the current format a "personalized" letter from alex goes out to
each new subscriber giving them information and some guidelines.  With
usenet you really can't do that easily.  And just wait for the DMB
sucks posts to come through.


-- 
Eric Budke    			          Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Committee)		  Schenectady NY  12308
N/A	 	 	   	       		   203-322-4428
budke@netspace.org  budkee@unvax.union.edu
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Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:02 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: The saga continues...

Alex-very funny is this "Daze of our lives" or what!!

I recently read a post about Boyd being untalented and out of tune...
For me and many people I know, one of the many catchy aspects of DMB 
originally was Boyd and his killer fiddle solos. The Ants solo used to 
vary and had a great bluegrass/dueling banjos feel. To hear boyd's talent 
listen to a tape of Blue Water, especially 11-17-92 Trax, 1-30-93 
Zollman's W&L University, or 10-27-92 Trax (i think) His infamous wahwah 
solos show his talent....
LAtr...

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Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 1:13 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Re: dave tour dates

>  I have tickets to both shows now, the New Orleans Date should be
> Tuesday August the 18th.  The House of Blues Calendar shows The Dave 
> Mathews Band with Rusted Root in smaller letters.

thanks.
alex crothers


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:MFOR8178@URIACC.URI.EDU
Time/Date: 1:19 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Unfriendly behaviour reminiscent of Pnet

Ok Ok enough already.
I am SORRY if I asked what the deal was with Tim.
I KNOW THAT HE HAS HIS OWN BAND(I have even had at one times 3 studio tapes TR3
did and a couple of live tapes, but did not care for the singing so I scrapped
them)
PLEASE STOP SENDING ME MAIL FLAMING ME FOR ASKING THIS.
AND ANOTHER THING(sorry for writting in caps, but I dont like have messages in
caps sent to me ;-) )
I AM NOT A NEWBIE TO THIS NET. I HAVE BEEN ON AND OFF SINCE THE FIRST MONTH OR
SO IT WAS STARTED. HAVE YOU? JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN
TO POST CONSTANTLY DOESNT MEAN THEY ARENT THERE(this is directed at one person
in general who shall remain nameless)

 And finally, why all the bickering. People face it, DAVE is going to be as big
if not bigger than the majority of other performers out there. Becoming upset
because of an increase in mail is just not wise. This net has in the last week
become just like Phish.net was when I decided to unsubscribe. I dont (and I am
sure others dont ) want to waste their time searching through other peoples
bickering back and forth.
Thanks for your patronage
"Cant We ALL Get Along" - Rodney King
"LSD Stoned kids walking among colleg campuses, speaking elvish, wearing GO GO
Gandalf pins" - a professor who shall go nameless

Later,
Mike


Posted By: WIFOY@DAVIDSON.EDU
Time/Date: 1:34 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Ziggy's????!!!!!

    What's this I hear about Dave at Ziggy's in November???  I haven't gotten
a schedule from the club, so I don't know anything right now.  For any folks
planning to come Sat for (e:), I think that it's become a private club,
whatever that means, so caveat emptor.  However, I think i can bring guests,
so email me before Fri if you plan to come.  If you are nearby and want to
see a great band at a really fun club[ they even have really good handicapped
access!!! cool! ] come to Winston-Salem, NC on Sat the 8th.  Cya! Will

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RUSH remMATTHEWSWEET everythingBIGHEADTODD davematthewsbandBLUESTRAVELER samples
    "Bring back the innocense[Be gone] Away with the jealousness[ be gone]
        Sometimes I feel the strain, I can't help my ways and so now I 
                must say... Be Gone"- everything (e:): Be Gone
"I hear music from your window, but you're not at home. You're a thousand miles
 away from here, and that's too far to phone." -The Samples:The Birth of Words
  "Dark clouds may hang on me sometimes, but I, I'll work it out, and then I, 
           look up at the sky"-Dave Matthews Band:Dancing Nancies
                      Phi Gamma Delta-Davidson(Delta Kappa) 
               wifoy@davidson.edu        iN ReaL lIFe:=will foy'96	
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Posted By: SHERWOODS@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 1:38 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: angel soundboard

I was wondering if anybody out there in Daveland has a soundboard of
Angel. I would be much appreciated. Thanks.


Posted By: kadams@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 2:02 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Sit back and Relax

Hellooo to everyone, and big hugs for those of you I know:
Just a little advice for all: Last night Boofy and I did homework (yeah 
we DO go to school) while listening to an old personal favorite...Dave at 
Zollman's Pavillion (W&L) 1/30/94.  This is vintage...1 show...26 song 
setlist...Peter! Need I say more?  It was very nice to dust off the 
oldies (especially cause we were there) and just listen for a while.  I 
have sadly not seen Dave play since opening for Phish in Lexington and I 
guess the CD party before that, so it was cool and MOST memorable.  Well, 
just thought you all should try it if you don't already.  In other words, 
if you're bitching because they haven't played your favorite song in a 
while, go dig it out of the archives and play it yourself.  And to you 
newbies, we old fogies will be more than happy to enlighten you on this 
subject.  Anyway, I have to get my butt preparing for the GRE'S (sorry 
for the Cap's Clare, I had to shout) --I just love standardized tests!  
Happy trails to those who are actually going to see DMB soon and me, well 
I'll just be psyched to get to Trax once again on a Tuesday night to see 
Jackopierce next week!

Peace...Katharine Adams

P.S.  Umm, I couldn't help but notice that "Granny" hasn't come up 
lately....it'll be nice to see if it's changed any if I ever get to a 
show before I graduate.


Posted By: BWSIMP0@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Time/Date: 2:35 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Need live tapes

I'm from Hampton, VA. I'm now at U.of Kentucky, where DMB stuff is few
and far between. I'm going through major withdraws for my ex-neighbor took
off with my DMB  bootlegs. Please, somebody, anybody hook me up with info t
o get some older tapes. I'd like to get stuff other than whats on R2T and
UTTAD. I'll send tapes and/or money. Any info just send to me please, so as
to not clog up minarets.net. Thanks!!

                                     Brian Simpson


Posted By: vastolj@alleg.EDU
Time/Date: 2:48 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: DMB in Toronto and 3/23/93

	I inadvertently deleted my tour dates for DMB this october could  
someone please send me some info re: the Toronto show.  I think it was the 17th  
of October. 

	 Oh BTW, does anyone out there know the name of the first song Dave  
played in his acoustic set on Peter's last night - 3/23/93?  And, Has it been  
played again?  Rick Thompson sent the show to me a long, long time ago and  
entitled it...."Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors."  Any words on this one (i.e.  
Rick)?

-joe


Posted By: SHERWOODS@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 2:50 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: floodzone

I was wondering if anybody out there with a large collection of tapes from
the Floodzone had a tape a believe from November 1993 where he teased
Freebird. Any thoughts from anyone would be great. Thanks.


Posted By: nolan@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu
Time/Date: 4:32 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: philly show

To all those DMB fans from Pennsylvania who checked out the show at 
the TLA in philly on saturday night.  Check out the Tuesday edition
of THe Philadelphia Inquirer.  this paper usually only reviews concerts
by U2.  But they were there and gave DMB apretty good review.

Also if you were there and no  anything about the opening act
FROM GOOD HOMES i'd appreciate any infom.

Nolan
Nolan@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 4:50 Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB in Toronto and 3/23/93

On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Joseph Vastol wrote:

> 	 Oh BTW, does anyone out there know the name of the first song Dave  
> played in his acoustic set on Peter's last night - 3/23/93?  And, Has it been  
> played again?  Rick Thompson sent the show to me a long, long time ago and  
> entitled it...."Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors."  Any words on this one (i.e.  
> Rick)?

yep...that's the name.  I believe (correct me if I'm wrong here Ricko...) 
that some spacey hippie type came up with the name...it might have been 
Chardy.  It was my birthday, so I was pretty out of it too.  Jeff or Alex 
told me the name of the song was So Happy, but I like HHH better.  It's 
been played at least three time 3/23/93, 7/6/93 and ummmm...I'm at a lost 
for the third one that i have.  Here's the setlist as made up by high 
trippy man, preserved by Rick.

DMB 3/23/93 TRAX Charlotesville, VA

Set 1 BIG LEAGUE CHEW

Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors           ...thang! 
Minarets                              March of the Rolly Polly Cane Toads
Best of What IS                       So Much 2 Say
Typical Dog                           won suite whirrled
Little Texas Tower                    snoitcelfer eurt
Let's Get a Beer
The Jumping Song
Granny Smurf
The Jimi...

Set 2 The band bids adieu to Peter

Recently                              Creaming from the Minarets
Rhyme and Reason                      Blue Radar Gun
Turtles, Turtles, and More Turtles    Flipping Whillies
#34                                   The Pasta Warehouse

Brilliant huh?

If you trade this tape, please use this setlist.  It's going in 
WAREHOUSE:  The Dave Matthews Band Setlist file that way.

peace and wierd cats,
Blake
B


Posted By: FERENCZB@hartwick.edu
Time/Date: 5:17 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: hey all

i know that this is stupid but i got to college and switched computer
systems and can't figure out how to get back on the net.  
thanks in advance. It's probably cause i've been listening to Jimi Thing
too much ....Anyway Peas Benny


Posted By: PONDWAYLA@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 5:34 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Clearing things up...

catherine... of course there was a smile on my face, i didn't mean
to put down newbies or discourage them from the net. we have to
remember that the more people on the net, the more the word spreads
the bigger dave will get...anyway, i believe that freebird at f-zone
in november that you are talking about is when i personally (in state
of intoxication) yelled freebird and boyd replied  "Hell No!!!!" then
dave said "sweet home......i'm a bama" i do not think they played
any parts or tried to cover it

'everybody's happy, everybody's free' let's try to keep this in mind!

I will as well...   Wayland


Posted By: JONICOTRA@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Time/Date: 5:34 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: ROseland and how to digestify

Hey all.... i caught my first Dave show at the roseland.....While i have
a selection of dave tapes.... I have always missed them whent the came around..
But with a spot on the guest list(ie free ticket) who could pass it up?
I was not impressed with The Roseland Show.... it wasnt bad... in fact it 
had its moments, but no mindblowing solos, no rare songs (these setlists are
way too repetitive) and too many screaming kids.... i mean I am 20 and i felt
OLD at that show.... who knows... maybe my aching knees and deafening ears are
to blame.... but anyway.... I have hard some mindblowing jams on tape... but
they just werent there live.... 

ok... the flood is too large... how do i make this list digestified ( i current
-ly receive each message individually and that is hell)

Josh
another boy drawn to DMB by Boyds crazy fiddle


Posted By: dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 5:58 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Dave's Direction (or 'What You Will')

You <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>:

i guess what my last 6 or something posts have been trying to say
is that dave band seems to be evolving in a direction that's different
from what brough me into them in the first place.  so it's time to
let other people experience them for what they are and what they want
to become, which in my opinion is a studio band.  as a joke, dave once
told me that his first major label debut was going to be titled "songs
that everyone wants to hear."  i think it kinda fits.  dave likes 
appealing to people.  god knows carter, leroi, and boyd do too.  they
know that people like their music, so they're going to play that music
for those people.  

Me:

right on.    I am a new (as of Spring 94) Daver and I know that other
people may view me as one of the newbie freaks with alot of queer ideas
about how DMB should be.    I feel the same way about some of the Dave fans
surfacing now.    Yours is the first perspective that welcomes the
INEVITABLE change in the Dave Matthews Band, and it is refreshing.    Of
course, everyone likes to have a DMB where you can mingle with the guys
after the show or whatever.    I've done it.    It probably won't happen
again, but I'm not bitter.    Let Dave get big.   We were THERE...

-Dominic

p.s. Sorry for posting AND sending, Rick, but it's about time we had a
non-phlaming post...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
read.   listen to dave.    read.    play disc.    type.    
listen to dave.    write.    type.    play disc.    sleep.   eat?
talk about dave.    sleep.    write.    read about dave.    sleep.
eat.    listen to dave.    read.    sleep?

repeat until what you see is human screaming from the Minarets...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dominic Sagolla '96           dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu          
Swarthmore College            dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu                
                           Swarthmore, PA 19081         
sagolla@sccs.swarthmore.edu


Posted By: jogriffith@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Time/Date: 6:42 PM Wednesday, Octber 5, 1994
Subject: subscribe

If this is the wrong place/person to subscribe to I appologize to you (all).


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 6:51 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: spooning

I think what we all need is spooning.  Everyone spoon.


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 7:06 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Re: NY and Philly and Ants...

Quoting me, Dominic Sagolla <dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu> says:

>> Quick Happy Note: NO ANTS! NO ANTS! NO ANTS!
>
>I really don't understand these people.    Ants Marching is the song that
>got me INTO DMB.    I told that to Leroi on Friday, and he said, "Yeah, I

Um... well, I'd have to say Jimi Thing is what first got me into them, but I
went through an ants phase early on, but basically, I'm sick of it.  I was
happy there was no ants at the show just as I was equally upset there was a
satellite.  These two songs are simply overplayed, are on both discs, and are
the type of song little 12 year old girls know the words to.

Sorry to bring in another band, but when I see Phish, I don't want to see
Fee, which they keep on playing (for about 7 years...), even though it was
the first Phish song I heard.

now do you understand 'these' (me) people?

good.  now lets all trade good shows and be happy.

ben


just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
*             "hold onto nothing               *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*             as fast as you can"              * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*                   -Tori Amos                 *  --   New York, NY  --  *
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Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 7:19 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: spooning

we need lots of spooning.
we can do a big spoon wall.. dont' you think? 
eh boofy?

blake's got my spoons.. anyone else wanna spoon with us?

'we'll see how brave you are.. we'll see how fast you'll be running...'

*******************************************************************************
we should have eachother to tea... we should have eachother with cream... then
cuddle up by the fire, and sleep for awhile, it's the grooviest thing, it's the
perfect dream.... thecure....

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:PMEA8678@URIACC.URI.EDU
Time/Date: 7:49 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject:

I apologize now if I'm angering anyone with this message.
Today I calles the number on the tour schedule for the Boston
Avalon Ballroom Show.After three Long-Distance phone calls
I was directed to ticketmaster only to find out the show was sold
out.This suprised me Because I hadn't heard of this on the net,
and I didn't think DMB had a following in Boston that would sell
out a venue in advance.ALthough I am clueless as to how big the
Avalon is it still shocked me that tickets would sell out at $17.
If anyone could give me some sort of explanation for this it
would be appreciated.
*If anyone has an extra ticket for this show I would love to work
something out.(i.e. trade,cash,whatever)

Damn you,Big city!


Posted By: JFDITT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Time/Date: 8:08 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: dmb at uk

  Hello, I am a new member from Univ. of Kentucky.
              I have been trying for some time now to get the band to come
   to U.K.  I brought it up at our concert committee's meeting, but the
   chairman wasn't very receptive and kind of skeptical about the whole idea.
   I don't know what to do. If anybody has any suggestions, I'd appreciate
   them, because i am stuck.

                               thanks,
                                   Jay


Posted By: TPUSATERI@tlc-486.clemson.edu
Time/Date: 10:53 PM Wednesday, October 5, 1994
Subject: Calm down everybody

Hello Fellow DMB fans,
    I just recently joined the net here, and I was astonished at some
of the letters I was reading. First of all, let's think here. If
there never was a Dave Matthews Band, none of us would be here. I
think everyone agrees, that Dmb is on hell of a talented group. Yes,
even Boyde. Mr. Matthews is a very gifted musician, and a song
writer. If, you disagree, please respond to me, and explain why.
Since I ever first heard the band, I was amazed at their diversity,
and talent. As a musician myself, I look at their work and often ask
 " How in the hell do they pull this off?" Granted, they are not at
the level the Dead and Phish are at, but it will come around all in
good time. Im sure when the Dead and Phish started playing, the to
had repetitive set lists for some period of time. Plus you must keep
in mind Dave has been awfully busy lately, agree?? I mean give the
guy some credit. Look how far he's come in the past few years. Now
that they finally have their shit together, their even more amazing
to listen to.
    This is just my 2 cents worth, but please, CALM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!
        EAT DRINK AND BE MERRY-----------------------TROY


Posted By: mfb14@columbia.edu
Time/Date: 12:28 AM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB is the best

Many, many apologies for my ignorance, but . . .

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, David A. Travin wrote:

> Please give me the necessary info for subscribing to the Dave Matthews Band
> network---thanx---Dave
> 
> 
> 
Is this something different than what I'm already doing?


Posted By: mfb14@columbia.edu
Time/Date: 12:40 AM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB-related article from Charlottesville paper

On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, C. Blake Campbell wrote:

IN response to > On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, ellis godard wrote:
> 
> >         "A sophomore from Roanoke College was arrested Tuesday
> > for marijuana possession at the Dave Matthews Band concert in the
> > Amphitheatre. University Police arrested the student at 8"17
> > p.m., only a few minutes after the band had started playing.
> 
> END MARIJUANA PROHIBITION!!!
> 
> yeah right...
> 
> this is so lame...don't they have anything better to do than mess with 
> some poor kid with joint?
> 
> DMB should tour in support of NORML.
> 
> 
Just wanted to make sure that everyone is registered to vote.  It's gonna 
be a hot topic and the only way to see justice prevail is to get in there 
and be counted!!

<M>


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:BH7N@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA
Time/Date: 12:58 AM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Dave in Montreal...

Just got back from tonights show at Club Soda here in Montreal.
My hopes for a small intimate show with few in attendance were
shattered by a loud crowd that would have put the Bayou to shame.
The music, though, was excellent. We heard the new Just For
Tonight version (has this been played yet?). LeRoi did a very
nice flute solo in Typical Situation. Stephan was dropping
bombs all night, I've never heard him so loud and good. Dave finally
got so angry at the crowd that he told the meatheads to "go the
fu*k home."

Anyway, the band was tight and the music was smokin! I got to
sit on the stage and avoided the crush. Hope to see you guys
in Boston on Saturday.

Kwon
"You can tune a guitar, but you can't tune a fish"


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:MFOR8178@URIACC.URI.EDU
Time/Date: 8:09 AM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: How do I send pics to archive?

I am presently scanning in some b+W pics from Toads the other night(the color
scanner here has to be reserved, and I dont have time for it till next week)
so I was wondering, how do I put them in the WWW or the Brown.students archive.
 Can I put them on a floppy and mail them to someone, or should I just sned
them along the info highway to a special site?
Please let me know.
Later,
Mike


Posted By: roger.a.jr.ingley@SMTPGwy01.santafe.cc.fl.us
Time/Date: 10:20 AM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: subscribe

         Thanx
         Rusty


Posted By: SHERWOODS@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 10:40 AM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: big head todd dates

does anybody out there know of big head todd shows scheduled for the
Richmond, Raliegh, Baltimore, Washington area? If you have any dates
or information how I could find them out I would be much appreciative.
Thanks for your support. Also, how's the new album, "strategem"
I'd like to hear about it. Peace.


Posted By: jtv2j@sunipc-10.unixlab.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:48 AM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: How do I send pics to archive?

	I am presently scanning in some b+W pics from Toads the other night(the color
	scanner here has to be reserved, and I dont have time for it till next week)
	so I was wondering, how do I put them in the WWW or the Brown.students archive.
	 Can I put them on a floppy and mail them to someone, or should I just sned
	them along the info highway to a special site?
	Please let me know.
	Later,
	Mike


Sure, I'd be happy to do that.  Also, anyone with pictures who would
like them scanned in, I've got access to quite a few nice scanners and
would be more than happy to spend the time.

John


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:MFOR8178@URIACC.URI.EDU
Time/Date: 11:55 AM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Chart position

I just talked to Daves press agent, and she informed me that the DMB
have had a phenominal week of sales. There debut album, is debuting
at #34 (if that aint a reason to bring it back, I dont know what is)
on the billboard charts after selling 32,000 copies.
Just thought youd all be interested.
Later,
Mike


Posted By: RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 12:09 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: a fun little exercise....

i thought to lighten everyone up we could have some fun....

how about we see how many things dave could have been..
you know like a parking lot attendant etc....

lets start a list 

here are the two easy ones

a parking lot attendant
his little brother...

have fun..

rich
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Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 12:40 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: a fun little exercise....

> lets start a list 
> 
> a parking lot attendant
> his little brother...
>
doctor, spread the good around


Posted By: IBASSIN@WESLEYAN.BITNET
Time/Date: 12:49 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Dave Covers

I just got a tape of the Floodzone R2T record release party where Dave Covers
Tangerine and Redemption Song. Is this the only time he did these? Did he
include random covers when he used to do his solo bit every tues and Wed
at Trax/Floodzone? Does anyone have a listing of what these included? Just
curious. Also, how much of Stairway did he play with Tim at the Birchmere
this summer (Danny- do you have tapes of that show?) -Ian


Posted By: BLBLALOC@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 1:10 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: a fun little exercise...

>> lets start a list
>>
>> a parking lot attendant
>> his little brother...
>>

>doctor, spread the good around


waiting at your doorstep
your little sister...


brian.


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:31 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Spooing vibe....

Spoons to all and to all a good nite...
Especially Clare and the two K/Catharines

P.s. we might need to distinguish between Catherine and Katharine
who both go to school here....


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Posted By: DAMOJONNIER@DAVIDSON.EDU
Time/Date: 2:42 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: reply from sesmith to a tuesday post

alright man, i'm glad to hear that someone out there is finally using their
head instead of just going along with the flow.  It is true that Dave has no 
improv skills...as of yet.  He does need to get some new songs or maybe some
chill covers---I could see some Dylan ballads or Neil Young stuff as being 
within Dave's realm.  As for the rest of the band--they kick ass and could do
almost anything...i mean, everything.  If ya talk to Dave any time soon, tell
him to play for his true fans---the ones that got him some recognition in the
first place and not for the album-buying, trend-following, ball-cap wearin'
frat boys that seem to have become enamoured with him.  I would go to see a
D.M.B show if and only if I knew that he was starting to ply some new stuff.
With 2 albums out, you normally don't expect to be able to buy one album and
hear the other album as well.  Normally, there is some variety.  I mean I have
that 1st one and some bootlegs.  I don't need to buy the second album, 'cause
I've heard every song on bopth albums thru the first album and 1 bootleg.  And 
I have heard the 2nd.  What was Dave thinkin'?  His voice sounds like some 
editted milli-vanilli or something.  Enough of this...My blood pressure is 
rising and I feel a pain in my chest...
	Next topic---Dave the way of Phish or the Dead?
I think not...how can anyone in their right mind ever even think Dave could 
turn outr like those 2?  number one, Dave simply doesn
t have the improv skills of the latter 2 immortals.  He never could and never
will.  Secondly, Dave has alienated the very people who could have been loyal
to him for a long time.  The Dead have old hippies who still attend their shows.
Phish is getting that way, with some of their mid-80s crowd still around.  Dave
chose to go for the short-term bucks and play to the general idiots who would 
buy his albums.  Soon, however, these people, to whom he is playing, will lose 
interest (probably, as soon as they graduate) and Dave will learn the err of 
his ways.  The people he plays to now are the types that us true fans have had
to deal with at Dead and Phish shows...not to mention PANIC.  They come and 
they go, new fans pop up, then disappear.  With this type of fluctuating base,
how can anyone stand?  Dave will never be like Phish or the Dae




(fucked up again)...or the Dead.  It is impossible.  He will never be able to 
gain that loyal constituency of fans again.  He wronged us once, and that was
enough.  enough said.
				Peace, love, hemp, and a little Deutch,
						Sean
P.S. Panic rocked the Grady Cole center just to spite its shitty appearence!!!
	-Knocking 'Round the Zoo...Impossible...Stop-Go...etc.!!!!

See ya on the flip side.


Posted By: jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 4:26 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Me and Julio & Watchtower Lyrics

hope I didnt miss this. Everyone probably knows them, but the
habit on this net seems to have been post the lyrics to a new
song as it gets added. Again, if its already added and I missed
this part, I apoligize for the bandwidth use; lots going on here,
and im lacking sleep and behind on my mail.

ellis

Me and Julio

Watchtower



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Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 4:33 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: a fun little exercise....

On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, Those whom the gods love grow young. wrote:

> a parking lot attendant
> his little brother...

three of my favorites:

a policeman Va. Beach,
mugged somewhere in Norfolk (while playing in Va. Beach, Norfolk area)
the president with diarrea...

lots of other interesting ones.

peace,
Blake


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 4:33 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: Chart position

On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, Michael Formica wrote:

> I just talked to Daves press agent, and she informed me that the DMB
> have had a phenominal week of sales. There debut album, is debuting
> at #34 (if that aint a reason to bring it back, I dont know what is)
> on the billboard charts after selling 32,000 copies.

whoa...this is spooky...#34???  weird...[twilight zone music starts, Rod 
Serling lurks in the shadows]


Posted By: frenkel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 5:19 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: DMB shows

Does anybody know if the Oct 24 show in Kansas is all ages?  I don't want 
to drive all the way out there to find out I can't get in!

					Later,
				Brian Frenkel  (frenkel@ucsu.colorado.edu)


Posted By: jcolton@leland.Stanford.EDU
Time/Date: 5:47 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: DMB in Madison, WI 10/27/94

Dave Matthews Band will be playing at the Barrymore Theatre in Madison, WI
on Thursday, October 27 at 7:30 pm with special guests Rusted Root.

Tickets are only $10 and are available at The Exclusive Company on State St.
or charge by phone at 608.241.8633. No TicketMaster service charges here folks.

The show is General Admission. The theater is an old vaudeville theatre reconditioned for live music. Shows are all ages, but they have great beer on tap.
See you there.

 -- jc


Posted By: Daniel.S.Gans@dartvax.dartmouth.edu
Time/Date: 6:09 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 307

Hey everyone out there under the table.  I've been on the net for a while,
but this is my first post.  First, in response to your question Ian, before
the Wathtower encore,( at the birchmere on 8/25/94)  Dave was unsure about
what song to play so he said he was going to play a led zep song he knew.  He
played it for about 10 secs. (i don't recognize the song, it was one of their
country instrumentals) and the crown went nuts.  His response was," Shit, I
should have done that all night..."  He then went into a kickin' watchtower. 
During the jam at the end, he started singing the "and as we wind on down the
road"  part...he sang a couple lines and obviously couldn't remember the rest
so he just screamed.  It was a classic Dave moment...
Second: Yes, I do have the tape...I think I was the only one who taped,
because they wouldn't let us plug in to the board (Jeff tried his hardest,
but it was house sound...)  It is a really decent audience tape off my d-7 if
anyone's interested in a trade...
sorry for the long message, but this is just a classic show that people need
to get a hold of...
see you at the board in boston, and be nice to each other...everyone goes in
the end...


Posted By: RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 6:24 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: anyone going to stone balloon

hey anybody going up to delaware to the stone balloon for the dave show
if so contact me i know a couple of bouncers and stuff might be able to hook
you up or something...

rich
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Posted By: jgoodmon@mercury.interpath.net
Time/Date: 8:39 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: big head todd dates

There is a bht show Oct. 21 at Hampden Sydney college in Farmville, Va. 

On Thu, 6 Oct 1994 SHERWOODS@urvax.urich.edu wrote:

> does anybody out there know of big head todd shows scheduled for the
> Richmond, Raliegh, Baltimore, Washington area? If you have any dates
> or information how I could find them out I would be much appreciative.
> Thanks for your support. Also, how's the new album, "strategem"
> I'd like to hear about it. Peace.
> 


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:PMEA8678@URIACC.URI.EDU
Time/Date: 8:46 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject:

After looking through all of my digests I have seen
So Much To Say mentioned at all.Is it still being played.


Posted By: Rsr3078@aol.com
Time/Date: 8:47 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Widespread, Hendrix ect.

Hey 
I'm looking for boots of the following:

Widespread Panic 
Jimi Hendrix
Indigo Girls
Phish
I've got DMB (ofcourse), the Beatles, and Indigo Girls.  Please get back to
me.  Rsr3078
Thanks
Alix  :)(:


Posted By: johnfro@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 9:12 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 307

what's up, dmb fans.
this is my first time actually on the list so forgive me if i commit any 
little faux-pas.  i am from new orleans so dave is hardly the most played 
band, but us rednecks are slowly coming around.  i caught the show at 
raleigh, dave again kicked ass.  if anyone has any bootlegs that they 
would not mind copying for me, just say so and i would love to send them 
tapes. later


Posted By: sdeutsch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 10:30 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: Sit back and Relax

On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Katharine C. Adams wrote:

> Just a little advice for all: Last night Boofy and I did homework (yeah 
> we DO go to school) while listening to an old personal favorite...Dave at 
> Zollman's Pavillion (W&L) 1/30/94.  This is vintage...1 show...26 song 
> setlist...Peter! Need I say more?  It was very nice to dust off the 

This was my first show (I was there with Katherine) and it was 
incredible.  Most importantly getting to Buford's comment on Boyd's 
talent -- he mentioned 'Blue Water' and Boyd's solo -- well, one of 
the best 'Blue Water' renditions is on this tape (Zollman's 1/30/93 (NOT 94)
sorry, Kat, it was really that long ago).  

Get a copy. Listen to it. And chill out.

There's some good Dave-talk on it as well.  People who were there can 
enjoy the part when Dave tells some drunken guys to get out (they were 
fighting or some nonsense) and for those who are familiar with Zollman's, 
Dave talks about the nice "farm animal atmosphere". 
         
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Posted By: sdeutsch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 10:33 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: spooning

On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, C. Blake Campbell wrote:

> 
> I think what we all need is spooning.  Everyone spoon.
> 
> 
> 
		SPOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Clare, Buford, and Hobbs, Blake's spooning on the net! 
		
         
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Posted By: wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:15 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: a fun little exercise....

Ok, how bout

Caught in public in my underwear???

Oh so embarrassed???

Bartending at Millers???

Wade


Posted By: wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:22 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 307

actually, you were rather correct in the fact that he did
Stairway during Watchtower, but you were in correct on the other
respect.  During the country jam, Dave played "Over the Hills and
Far Away."

Wade


Posted By: chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 11:29 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: chatter by ME -- the one with a "C"

SPOONS SPOONS!! if only the net could spoon.  Yall i need some spoonin 
and some huggin so come on over.
(blake  ..did you even know what spoonin was until a week or so ago?? 
just checkin!)

Wayland, thanks for clearing things up.  I knew you said it with a 
smile.  this net was in need of some seriously OBVIOUS GRINS for a 
while.  and umm ithink the stuff about the Sweet home Alabama was from 
the other catehrine  ..the KOOL KAT with a K.

I've been thinking about the posts a few days back about how it sounds 
like Dave and band are often out of tune and all.  I cant remeber who 
said it ..but someone thought that.  Here's my musings (please keep in 
mind that i dont play guitar or any of the other instruments that the 
band uses except i played sax in like 7th grade ..but i am very musical 
and i do play other stuff ok)   What i understand is this: Dave often 
choosess to play cords with the most difficult and spread out fingering 
one can imagine .. he does this to make the notes more distinct and 
seperated.  To me, this creates a sort of internalized harshness or 
soreness (im talking about melody here) or atleast an intetional strain.  
I usually think this is cool ..it fits the feeling that i get from lots 
of his lyrics.  What i'm wondering is .. is it possiblethat dave is 
tuning his guitar to a non standard key  ..that the band chooses to play 
in keys not very familar to our ears to create the same affect (e ??) as 
the really difficult fingerings.  i dont know  ..im just wondering cause 
ive never payed attention to the sheet music stuff.  am i way off or what??


feed puppies toothepaste ..they smell so much better afterwords!

crazy ponderings , smiles and spoonin
catherine


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:48 PM Thursday, October 6, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 306

>There seems to be an awful lot of ripping on people going on this net -
>why can't we all just get along?  Everyone on this net shares something
>in common - they enjoy the music of the Dave Matthews Band. For everyone
>who posts a message and gets ripped on, that is one person whose opinion
>we may not hear again.   Let's stop blaming things on the newbies, let's
> stop ripping on people who express their opinions, and discuss the
>phenomenon that is Dave, pleasantly.

in my six month stint on phish.net, i saw this exact same post entirely
too many times.  i'm afraid.  i'm very afraid.

and the one missing date that blake couldn't identify on heathcliff's 
haiku warriors was 11-9-92.  r2t cd release party, that is.  i'd like
this show if anyone has it.

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Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 12:29 AM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 306

On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, your head is a shovel-- use it. wrote:

> 
> and the one missing date that blake couldn't identify on heathcliff's 
> haiku warriors was 11-9-92.  r2t cd release party, that is.  i'd like
> this show if anyone has it.

It's 11/9/93.

--Ben


Posted By: n41014@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
Time/Date: 4:59 AM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Piano man.

please excuse my ignorance, but could some one tell me what the deal was with Dave's keyboard/piano player? I apologize if this is common knowledge, Im new and pretty clueless...  thanks...
   also, if anyone out there has a tape of DMB at  FIJI , Denison University, Granville, OH, in the fall of 92, and would like to trade or just help me out, I would give arm and leg for this, my first show..    thanks,   John.


Posted By: jtv2j@sunipc-10.unixlab.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:59 AM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Re: So Much to Say, Julio, Watchtower, etc....

> After looking through all of my digests I have seen
> So Much To Say mentioned at all.Is it still being played.

Peter was too important to this song that Dave isn't too
eager to play it.  However, he did bring it out for a
birthday present back in February, and while it would have
been nice if they hadn't immediatly dropped it again, they did.
Occasionally lines about central heating make it into other songs...

> hope I didnt miss this. Everyone probably knows them, but the
> habit on this net seems to have been post the lyrics to a new
> song as it gets added. Again, if its already added and I missed
> this part, I apoligize for the bandwidth use; lots going on here,
> and im lacking sleep and behind on my mail.

I believe the habit so far has been to not include covers in the
lyrics files.  What surprises me are the notable abscences of 
Two-Step etc....

John


Posted By: Daniel.S.Gans@dartvax.dartmouth.edu
Time/Date: 10:48 AM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 307

Hello again.  Just a little message to everyone who responded/is responding
to my post yesterday about the 8/25/94 birchmere tape...I will be away from
my computer this weekend to go into Boston, so please be patient in awaiting
your responses.   If you're at the Avalon on sat., look for me at the board
before/after/possibly during the show.  I'll be wearing a green dartmouth
hat.  

don't throw away yor playful beginnings...


Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:03 AM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: C-Ville Weekly Article

Hey all:

Did no one else in the Charlottesville area read the cover
article in the most recent C-Ville Weekly about DMB?  IMHO one of
the best I've read or seen reprinted on the net.  It's quite
lengthy and I don't think I have the time nor patience to type it
to the net, but if anyone else does please do so for others.  If
you can get a copy I suggest reading.  Why it's good: it gives
rare andecdotal information about real early DMB and describes
the music and the movement in a better way than I've ever heard
or could have ever said.

Dan Entin

Hope to see some of you at Lehigh and Pat Center Phish!

Enjoy-


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 11:09 AM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: spoons, forks, and other household utensils

i don't know if this is known all over or just at w&m, but spooning here can
mean the original & also getting rid of your roommate for the night by
putting a spoon on the door..

yes, college.  the education of clear communication skills.

btw, anyone out there have the infamous 'fenton's penis' show?  :)

brett

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if God had meant for us to be naked, we would've been born that way.


Posted By: SAPIRE@carleton.edu
Time/Date: 11:20 AM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 307

hey, i'm planning on taping a show in the twin cities
and would like someone to repost that list of stuff to bring
(cords, which type? tapes, flashlight, etc...)
thanks
love UTTAD, 
especially all the songs and stuff

ed


Posted By: jcrother
Time/Date: 1:07 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB shows

On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, FRENKEL JENNIFER RANDI wrote:
> Does anybody know if the Oct 24 show in Kansas is all ages?  I don't want 
> to drive all the way out there to find out I can't get in!

Try giving the home office at try: 804.971.4829

alex crothers


Posted By: jpederso@d.umn.edu
Time/Date: 1:23 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Re: DMB shows

Hey, I just tried this number to check age things and they told me to 
check the venue.


On Fri, 7 Oct 1994, J. A. Crothers wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 6 Oct 1994, FRENKEL JENNIFER RANDI wrote:
> > Does anybody know if the Oct 24 show in Kansas is all ages?  I don't want 
> > to drive all the way out there to find out I can't get in!
> 
> Try giving the home office at try: 804.971.4829
> 
> alex crothers
> 


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:28 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Taping equipment

Someone asked for a post of taping equipment, etc so here is what I 
suggest...

1.Tape Deck (obviously)
2.RCA cables
3.Flashlight
4.Extension cord or preferable a 6 outlet strip
5.Pen
6.Paper for setlists and trading phone #'s, addresses, etc
7.Something to carry most of the shit in.
8.Blank Tapes (more than you think you'll need)
9.Y jacks if possible. If you arrive late you can use these to split the 
soundboard signal so you don't get cut off by other decks..

Hints:
Arrive early, like really early...You'll get a better feed, you can get 
yourself set up while the house ligths are still on, and it really annoys 
other tapers when you run in during dave's first song and try to hook up.

Hang around your deck. Letting your tape run out and killing someone 
elses signal is the rudest thing possible. Always flip when you think its 
neccesary. 

Watch out for other peoples equipment, etc. If you take care of others, 
they'll take care of you. If you think someone needs to flip or needs a 
new tape, ask others around you what the best option is, most likely 
it'll be a joint effort to make sure that both you and the guy who forgot 
to get good tapes. 

Be prepared for "Hey man, did ya tape the show, can I give you my 
address, phone #, etc". I'd write out your address/phone # a few times 
and just give it to these people and tell them to get in touch with you, 
it makes life a lot easier.

And the final, NEVER TO BE BROKEN rule of taping, you MUST listen to the 
show in the car on the ride home, no matter what. We call this Blake's rule
hehehe

Any other suggestions from tapers out there??

Enjoy and I hope everyone get s good tapes...

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Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 2:45 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Re: Taping equipment

On Fri, 7 Oct 1994, Sir Buford wrote:

> Any other suggestions from tapers out there??
> 

you forgot an important one.  Bring kind nugs for Jeff...he's good to 
us, be good too him.  Tell him Blake sent you...

and Buford is correct.  Blake's Rule states:  When returning from a 
concert and a member of your party posseses an audio tape of that 
nights performance, you MUST listen to it.  Even if Clare wants to 
listen to 11/17/93 AGAIN...


Posted By: RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:57 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject:

hey just thought i would post what i have so far in the what dave could have
been category....... i know there has to be more out there....


a parking lot attendant
his little brother...
a policeman Va. Beach.....
mugged somewhere in Norfolk (while playing in Va. Beach, Norfolk area)
the president with diarrea...
your little sister....
doctor, spreading good....
wating at your door step...
Caught in public in my underwear???
Bartending at Millers???
Oh so embarrassed???


thanks
rich


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 3:02 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Re: blake's rule

excuse me..
DID I NOT RELENT?!?!?!

i knew the rule. i'd better after putting up with you for so long...

let me just say to everyone else on netland...
that the 11.17.92 show (of mine) in question... had been 
in mr.campbell's possession for over five months. FIVE MONTHS!
i was jonesing for me and julio.
kill me.

but that nature------------------>
             recently (with 'some do' and 'pretty pretty girl' and 'broadway'
                           and 'take me to the river' made me go ballistic).

happy spooning to all accomplished spooners....
spoon well.
spoon often.
and spoon at all available occasions.

silly ole me......

*******************************************************************************
we should have eachother to tea... we should have eachother with cream... then
cuddle up by the fire, and sleep for awhile, it's the grooviest thing, it's the
perfect dream.... thecure....

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 3:11 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>

wasn't "A millionaire in Bel Aire" tossed around a lot?

--Ben


Posted By: jdittric@fpc.com
Time/Date: 3:35 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: DMB in "Focus"

Hey all,

I just came across a "alternative" music magazine distributed locally in
Tampa, FL called "Focus".  The magazine has the DMB on the front and a
lengthy, very positive (almost too positive...) review of the band.

I don't have the time to transcribe the entire article (since I type 2 wpm).
But here are some excerpts that may/may not dispel a few of the on-going
discussions about the band.

Dave Matthews on songwriting...

"(I write about) Whatever comes to mind - life, love, unhappiness and anger
- and then I squeeze it all into on song.  And it seems to
almost make sense.  Ambiguity is as much as anything else, my goal.  So
that people can apply it to their own lives.  As a songwriter, I really don't
like to say the same thing twice.  I might repeat myself lyrically because
I kind of have the same things (on my mind).  I don't like violence and I
don't like greed. And I'm greedy and I'm violent.  It's the great dichotomy
of being a person.  I write, generally, about those things.  Love and hate
- they swim in a big pool together. But as the songs go, I try and change the
expression.  I try not to make the same changes or have the same rhythm or
have the same feel or the same emotion coming out the guitar...

more...

But it's an obsession of mine to make music that sounds
like I've heard it before.  So that when people hear it who've never heard it before,
boom, it goes into their heads.  I think everything is just repitition in
a way, of something that's happened before.  Then they happen in my head.
 I think it's the same with anyone else.  People hear this music and there's
 something familiar about it..."

on improvisation...

We have the facility to be adventurous, and it's expected from us now.
It's really lucky, we get a big audience and they expect us to do weird and
unusual things.

on touring...

"We started touring as fast as we could.  Approaching schools, universities,
that was sort of our plan.  Trying to get gigs at fraternities and
sororities.  That worked really well for us in the Southeast.  We broke in
New York just by kids going home (and telling their friends)..."

on performances...

"Our performances are as energetic as we can make them.  We're not
halfhearted.  They're pretty aggressive shows.  But we're having a lot of
fun, too, and that comes out.  We're not screaming at our parents or angry
at any particular member of the universe. We just kind of play from our
hearts, with a lot of happiness, and I think that comes across.  We're a
pleasant bunch of freaks to watch..."

on musicianship...

"I had a few songs and I approached musicians I admired locally here in
Charlottesville.  Originally (the band) was a project for a demo of my
songs.  And then we started enjoying playing live.  Everyone was a verteran
of jazz or rock music or classical music and had years begind them already.
 We're lucky that we had such good musicians.  I certainly was the shabiest
 of all..."

Enough!!!  That's all I care to type!  If anyone wants a copy of the article
I could probably xerox and fax it to you....

I think the article was written pre-UTTAD release even though it's this
month's issue.

The music scene is horrible here in cheezy Tampa, FL... I haven't adjusted.
DMB was here in Tampa about 6 mos. ago, only about 150 people showed up.
Haven't seen that small of a turn out for DMB since he played at my
fraternity's party in Charlottesville in '92.

Sorry for the length...

Jeff


Posted By: gap3s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:44 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: National Magazine Cover

So is anyone else out there also involved in radio?
I am just wondering, because a national radio magazine
put the Dave Matthews Band on its cover this!
Basically the name is spread all over the whole issue
and radio seems to be pretty much freaking out.  The magazine
is called "Gavin" and is very well known in the radio 
world.  It is similar to Billboard in that it contains
charts for numerous radio formats, based on reports
from stations all over the country.

The cover states, above a picture of the band
"The Dave Matthews Band
Radio Joins the Campaign
The amazing story of rock'n'roll's most unlikely candidates
for stardom"

Inside is a three page interwiew with Dave in which he
discusses his life, the band's history, the process of
signing with RCA, and the new CD etc...

The chart that would involve the band is A3 (read A cubed)
which stands for Adult Album Alternative (and includs the
likes of BT, Hootie & ..., The Samples, WP, R.E.M., Indigo
Girls, Eric Clapton, Shawn Colvin, Eddie Brickel, get the
idea)  On that chart UTTAD is "The most added record by
a major label debut act in the history of Gavin A3 Radio"
(added means that radio station that report their song
rotation to Gavin have added Dave to their current music
list)  Now bear in mind that A3 has only been around for 2-3 years
but still... Given the other names on the chart, this
seems to be a pretty amazing accomplishent.

There is more info (along with the interview)
that I will type and send along if I have time and if 
there is interest (let me know if y'all want me to)

Also, one last point, I am planning on being at the
Athens show on the 14th.  If anyone is planning on going
and taping this show please, please, please, please let
me know. please.  Talk to y'all later

Greg


Posted By: @UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:X51A@MUSIC.STLAWU.EDU
Time/Date: 5:29 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Montreal-Club Soda

Hey-
    The show at Club Soda this past Wednesday was probably the best
show I have seen lately.  Very small bar, I guess it could hold four
hundred, but I don't think it was filled.  Most of the band was hanging
out during the opening band.  Talked with Leroy and Dave for a bit.

I would love to get a copy of this show if anyone has one.  I have a
number of tapes, some right off the sound board, if a trade could be
made.
                                                         Thanks-
                                                                JB

ADDRESS: x51a@music.stlawu.edu


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 6:10 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: Another dancing intro... and a slice of pizza.

I just thought I'd share with you the complete intro to one Nancies from
3/26/94 Irving Plaza (super dooper show!)... anyway, he dedicates it to
Vivian and

could i have been... parking lot attendant
could i have been... taxi driver and washing (confusing line...
                     maybe it's taxi driver in washing[ton])
could i have been... lost in the big bad city
could i have been... anyone other than me

well, okay only half of it was off but still, those 2 have a THEME! The big
bad NYC filled with cabs! Too bad he didn't mention Ray's Pizza.

Then I would have been impressed.

When any of you come to New York, go to 11th & 5th... the REAL ray's pizza.
not those weird 'original ray's things... and while you're at it, come knock
on my door since i live literally seconds away from it.

sing and dance
ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
*             "hold onto nothing               *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*             as fast as you can"              * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*                   -Tori Amos                 *  --   New York, NY  --  *
**************************************************************************


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 7:04 PM Friday, October 7, 1994
Subject: chris dear? chris bonovia? oh where oh where has my little lamb gone?

chris..
could you get in touch with me?
i've got a favor to ask you, hon...
hugs and all...
clah

*******************************************************************************
we should have eachother to tea... we should have eachother with cream... then
cuddle up by the fire, and sleep for awhile, it's the grooviest thing, it's the
perfect dream.... thecure....

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
********************************************************************************


Posted By: will.schaffarzick@babble.com
Time/Date: 5:00 AM Saturday, October 8, 1994
Subject: HELLO, DMB FANS...

Hi DMB Fans...

This is my first attempt at using this net.  Just wanted to let you all 
how much I LOVE DMB.  A friend of mine from Auburn Univ. got me on to Da
back in April.  Unfortunately, judging from all the questions I get abou
Dave sticker on the back window of my car, no one around here knows what
--- yet.  No, Dave really hasn't hit it big here in Mississippi yet.  Bu
prettly convinced what with the "Under the Table & Dreaming" release, pe
will realize just what they've been missing!

Catch you all later...

<< Will Schaffarzick >>
will.schaffarzick@babble.com


Posted By: mfb14@columbia.edu
Time/Date: 12:41 PM Saturday, October 8, 1994
Subject: It's almost Halloween

Without other more traditional diversions, I have fixated on discovering 
the ultimate, true lyrics to _Halloween_ (as challenged, I think, by 
Alex) . . . here goes:

_Halloween_

All the time she can
her eyes open
and staring up at me
The tone of the eyes
	so rare and raging

Woman gonna come 
	and she will leave you
Woman gonna come
	and she will doubt
Woman gonna come
	and she will leave you
Woman gonna come 
	and she will lie

Watch man, leave it where you lie
I'll come to you and {lively}
I'll suck up until your
mind will leave it all behind

I sentence you to lonely

I march up into your {life}

All the time she can
her eyes open 
and staring up at me

{Wait until momma gonna 
	see me with you
Take a good look, momma,
	see me with you
Take a good look,
	What would mama say?}

Hey man, watch it where you lie

I come into your psyche
your sleepin' -  I'm in your
mind filled waiting on desire
I was hoping we'd be {lonely}

I'll suck up into your body

What do you want around here?
to ask: why to you run around me?
to ask: what do you want around here?
to ask: why so wired
and ask your silly FUCK

Moving away

Wired is lonely (3x)
	love
Wired is lonely (3x)
	love -- for me

Can't be yours
I'll be yours
Gotta be yours
Gotta be your (3x)

Lie over here.

Tell me, are you
Satisfied with Fucking?

Don't walk away (3x)
I'm talking to you

Love me - Don't (3x)

Loving, I'll see you
	Love, no , no
Love him, I see you
	Love, Love, no
Love him - up to you.

***Anyone still with me?  What did you think?  I guess you figured out 
that word inside {} i'm particularly unsure of . . .

"Anyone who applies herself regularly, lengthily & energetically, to a 
single project is certain, no matter what else happens, to encounter days 
of profound delight or unprecedented inspiration."
 
--Robert Grudin, _Time and the art of living_


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:48 PM Saturday, October 8, 1994
Subject: could I have been...

what about -

"could I have been, a born-again Christian...could I have been, oh, they're
all pain-in-the-asses..."
                       gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu


Posted By: dec3x@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:42 PM Saturday, October 8, 1994
Subject: dmb, what else?

Hey all you out there in computerland. you probably don't know
me, but that's ok. i recently subscribed to the net, more out of
curiosity than anything else, and then i got this silly idea to
write a story about this net and others like it.  if anyone has
any input, give me a yell.  if not, that's ok too because you
guys have so much stuff on here that i could write a good story
anyway.  i would especially like to know about the beginning of
the net and about why people got on it, either in the beginning
or now.  how does everyone hear about this, and what is
everyone's favorite aspect of it.

thanks alot, have a good time, and i hope to hear from you soon.

-diane cheshire


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:25 PM Saturday, October 8, 1994
Subject: all these damn dancing nancies quotes...

i talked about this idea a long time ago, and i've even devoted a
section of the (as of yet still unavailable) faq to it.  

what i'd like, is for each one of these dancing nancies quotes we've
seen, if you could send me the quote along with the date and location
of the show you got it from, then please do.  as of right now, there's
only two entries in the faq, even though i've seen 10 flip through in
the past two days.

so send 'em my way.  (and the faq _is_ forthcoming.  have faith...)


actually, speaking of the faq...those of you with pertinent files,
please send me a note about them.  even if i know who you are and
what you have (blake and ben), it will make it easier for me to
get the information into the file if i have a personal note from you.

and one other thing, if anyone knows where that really long list of
other listservs is, let me know how i can get a hold of it, and then
let other people know how to get a hold of it.
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________
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