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Posted By: GFERGUSO@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Time/Date: 1:54 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: GW Dave tickets to share

I don't know if all the people who were asking about GW tickets found some
or not - but a friend of mine has two extra tickets for that show (Nov 8th
at Lisner) and he will sell them for $16.50 (Which does not include the
$3.50 service charge he paid!)  If anybody is (still) interested, please
contact me personally by email or phone because I receive the digest version
of the list.
 
Oh yeah - the seats are in row EE, but there really aren't any bad (read
painfully obscured) seats in Lisner Aud.
 
How's your spoon collection going, clare?
 
Gillian Ferguson
gferguso@gmuvax.gmu.edu
(703)978-2087


Posted By: stkukla@acad.ursinus.edu
Time/Date: 1:55 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: RE: "requesting information" boot I.D.

I don't know if this is going to work since I am new with this e-mail stuff. 
But I saw your message in the DMB system and would like to follow up on your
offer of a tape of the show.  Please get a hold of me on where to send the
blank tape and/or $.  Thanks greatly from a growing DMB fan.

				Stu Kukla
				Ursinus College, PA


Posted By: tnb2d@server.cs.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:32 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: Irving Plaze taped?

	If there is anyone out there who is going to be hooking into
the sound board for Dave's show at Iriving Plaza this week ( or if you
know anybody who is) can we talk?  I would LOVE to hear this show and
I'm sure I have something you would like in trade.  (I've got a decent
collection of rockin' shows and esoteric events)  Please Please Please
me!  


		"Cheating on a quiz show?  That's like plagiarizing a
		 comic strip!"			--- Mark Van Doren


Posted By: tpalvino@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 5:34 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: europe shows

Hey does anyone out there know anything about the shows over on the other 
side of the ocean...set lists, quality of the shows ..anything would be 
great -this is internet and someone over there hopefully is reading this  

also catherine and "boofy" who are you?? would like to meet you as the 
number of dave fans (well real dave fans at least) isn't as great as one 
would think....

	"smoke your mind you will feel better for a while...."

          ***********************************************
	  *T.J. Palvino      |..every wisdom has its    *
	  *p.o. box 131      |price, my head up in the  *
	  *lexington VA 24450|stars and my feet planted * 
	  *(703)462-4784     |firmly on the ground..    *
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          *****MY HEAD WON'T LEAVE MY HEAD ALONE*********


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 5:50 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: maybe i could benefit from a check by a neurologist...

on, well, on today....benji wrote:

>
>Entertainment Weekly Review...
>
>Dave Matthews Band
>Under the Table and Dreaming (RCA)
>Their fancy folk-guitar picking and Latin percussion passages prove these
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i think this needs alot of explanation......

>biracial Virginia jam-rockers have chops.  But the band mostly offers a
>formless brand of laid-back eclecticism , tainted bys marmy inner-awareness
>poetry.
>
>Grade: C+

"smarmy inner-awareness poetry?"
i think someone should tell dave about that one....


____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: m970168@pratt.nadn.navy.mil
Time/Date: 5:59 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: wfu show--tickets

does anybody know if the wake show for nov 11 is sold out?  i'm assuming 
it is, so i'm also wondering what the chances are of picking up another 
ticket right before the show.  any info would be much appreciated.  thanks,
dave


Posted By: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
Time/Date: 6:41 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: Dancin' Dave.

               You all will not believe this!!!!!!!!


 I just opened a People magazine and lo' and behold there was Dave.

      not just Dave but more.....

  It was a picture of Dave caught in mid-air with his legs tucked
under him and in his outspread arms he had red and green pom-poms.

On all sides of him were the scantly dressed Dallas cowboys
cheerleaders waving their pom-poms in the air and grinning.

the caption read " WHAT WOULD YOU SAY...
                                        ...TOYOTA!!!"


 
 (Don't fret. just a little arbitrary humor from a faithful musician.)

               PEACETOALLYE'WHOLOVEALLCREATURESEQUALLY.


Posted By: SILV1434@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
Time/Date: 6:55 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: help!?

hello all.  this is the first message im posting and its a cry for help, so if
any of you have any spare time id definatley appreciate some help.  im new to
the net and im really not to psyced about this whole computer thing but ive
been having a good time lookin at whats been going on with all the bands i
like so i know that once i get going here it will be worth it.
        I was wopndering some of the net jargin is about all of the tree stuff.
i know it has to do with taping at shows but what does ewach word stand for?
like trees, parents,leaves, branch leaders, analog etc. and i know that this is
   the for the dmb but does someone know if the godstreet and widespread adresse
   s
dont work kuz i cant seem to get a subscription hoke up.
    well again, id apreciate any help anyone could give me
                                        tootle-ooo,
                                                    jordan


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 8:08 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: One More Time- Meeting in NYC

I continue to get messages about an Irving Plaza meeting, so here's the deal-

I don't know when I will be getting into the city, so I can't organize 
anything pre- show. I'd be happy to meet any and all interested parties 
during the show, probably after the opening act, behind the soundboard. I 
will have a copy of my tapelist there, and any traders are welcome to 
peruse it. I'm the big guy with the W&L hat and black backpack. I tend to be 
much more accomodating to traders who buy me a beer :)
As for after the show- I'm sort of a random kind of guy, so anyone I meet 
at the show who'd like to grab a beer afterwords or anything, I may be up 
for it. A group of netters getting together for a drink or two post- show 
might be a nice way to meet some faces behind the posts. The next day is 
election day, so many of us may not even have classes/work the next day. 
I'm not so fortunate, but I'm a senior and don't really go to class 
anyway. Just make sure you get back home in time to vote!!
Hidden Newbie offer- If you find me at the show and give me two blanks plus 
$1.67 for postage, I'll tape a show for you. Your choice, but only for 
those with less than five DMB tapes.
Oh- my girlfriend says thanks to all those who responded to the request 
for info for the Insider's Guide to Colleges.
					-Adam


Posted By: GFERGUSO@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Time/Date: 8:44 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: WHOA!!!!!

Wow -
  There are a lot of frustrated Dave fans here in No Va, I guess.  I gave
the tickets to the first guy who got in touch with me and now they're gone.
Sorry:)  I should have bought a lot more, huh?
  Marianne - Johnathan got the tickets.  He's real excited ...
  Gillian


Posted By: JAROUNDS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 9:02 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: lexington

i was just wondering if anyone knows how to get to the va horse center
from 81.  any help will be greatly appreciated.  see you all at the
show!
jaime :)


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 9:18 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: Shannon Worrell tapes...

To those interested....

While I did not tape Shannon Worrell, I know the guy who did and he owes 
me for making him Browns Island tapes this summer so I need to get in 
touch with him. I'll post details once I get my grubby little hands on 
the tapes.....

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|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
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|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
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|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
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Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 9:29 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: Re: GW Dave tickets to share

*******************************************************************************
     'sanity is vastly overrated- should be used in moderation, like all
    things.. Don't worry about losing your mind, you'll usually find it in
      that bone-thing on your shoulders- it's too big to get out and it's
        attached with that medulla oblongata and spinal cord thingie..'
                          Monk- (the answer man)
     
                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************

On Sun, 6 Nov 1994 GFERGUSO@gmuvax.gmu.edu wrote:

>  
> How's your spoon collection going, clare?
>  
> Gillian Ferguson
> gferguso@gmuvax.gmu.edu
> (703)978-2087
> 


spoon collection?

maybe you dont' quite understand spooning yet.
it's not something you collect....

definitely not.
that would be totally detremental to the purpose.

'i think it's that girl and i think there are pieces of me you've never 
seen maybe she's just pieces of me you've never seen'

i'm nuts in love with passal...
clare emily the chic with the pearls who doesn't know what an ejectbutton is


Posted By: mds158@psu.edu
Time/Date: 10:05 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: concerts

Hi. My name is Michele and I am new here.  Does anyone know if Dave is
coming in the New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia area soon?


Posted By: KevTad@aol.com
Time/Date: 10:33 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: Dewey Beach tape

Howdy,
I'm new on the net and am interested in any dmb tapes.  I have about 5 right
now and would really like to get a hold of the show I saw at Dewey beach this
summer.  If any body can help, please let me know.  

Thanks
Kevin Hammond

*If anyone is interested in any of the tapes I have let me know


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu
Time/Date: 10:33 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: Check out Ben Tanens WWW Page!!

        I was screwing around at the archive.phish.net,  with my FTP server 
and noticed an http directory.  SO to make a long story short,  I used 
Mosaic to get there and guess what?  Ben Tanen has a pretty darn good WWW 
site set up.  Check it out,  just go to http://netspace.students.brown.edu/DMB/
        It's pretty good,  he has the lyrics file in hyper text format!! Enjoy.
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 10:49 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: THAT COMPUTER STUD JOHN VIEGA! (was Re: Check out Ben Tanens WWW Page!!)

On Sun, 6 Nov 1994, Scott Miller wrote:

>         I was screwing around at the archive.phish.net,  with my FTP server 
> and noticed an http directory.  SO to make a long story short,  I used 
> Mosaic to get there and guess what?  Ben Tanen has a pretty darn good WWW 
> site set up.  Check it out,  just go to 
> http://netspace.students.brown.edu/DMB/
>         It's pretty good,  he has the lyrics file in hyper text 
> format!! Enjoy. 

Scott, and all the rest of you . . .

in the "credit-where-credit-is-due department":
The hypertext lyrics were cooked up by your friend and mine John Viega.

[applause here]

After my paper and my midterm this week I am planning some reorganization 
and improvements to the web pages archives and what not.

I'll be in touch.

Bye for now.


-Ben


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 11:00 PM Sunday, November 6, 1994
Subject: jambay tapes

for all of those that responded to the jambay offer, thank you very much.

you will all get tapes.

i need to sit down and figure out a structure which i will do after my 
big deadline at work on thursday.

should be out soon

gray


Silence comes with no instructions!


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu
Time/Date: 1:04 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: What time will the show really start?

Anybody thats going to the Horse Center show this week,  any clues as to 
when Rusted Root will start jammin'.  My ticket says that the doors open at 
6:30,  that's awful early for me to get there from way up here in 
Blacksburg,  also.  Is anybody getting together before or after the show?  
Alright,  that's about it for me.
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: sonfije0@seraph.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 1:14 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Koxville

Hey guys.  I plan to tape next sunday at knoxville.  If anyone has
directions from I-75, i would love them.  For you guys who have sent me
tapes for previous shows, bear with me and im sorry it has been so long. 
IAlso, who is opening?  Rusted Root?
Justin Sonfield
S.P.O. 183
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, Tn   37383-1000
(615)-598-2190


Posted By: KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU
Time/Date: 5:57 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Re: Knoxville

Sorry for the waste of width, but this is for Justin? in Swannee, TN.
   Your mail is bouncing, and I know where all the venues are in
   Knoxville.  However, I forgot where it was because I am unable to go.
 So, just e-mail me direct if you still need the directions (and tell me
   where they are playing).  & Y, rr is opening.     koliver1@ua1vm.ua.edu

                                   keith


Posted By: 50OGLESBY@CUA.EDU
Time/Date: 9:35 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: subscribe minarets Jonathan Oglesby

	Please put me on the Minarets mailing list. Thank You!
	
	Jonathan Oglesby
	(50oglesby@cua.edu)


Posted By: eam4@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 9:54 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Wake show

Is anyone planning on taping off the soundboard at the Wake show on Friday?
If so, let me know.  It should be kicking- see you there!
					
					-Eric


Posted By: SAKUNZ@MIAVX1.BITNET
Time/Date: 10:13 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Chicago tapes anyone??

Hey,
        Anyone know if there were any tapers at the Vic Theatre show in Chicago
last weekend??  Either I was momentarily blind, ignorant, or F%%ked up, but I
don't think I saw any mikes.  If anyone has a copy of this, I might like to get
it. :)  Thanks for any and all responses.  Much to trade for it....
 
Steve


Posted By: sonfije0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 11:13 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Re: Knoxville

Now my address should be o.k.  They are at the electric ballroom.
Justin Sonfield
S.P.O. 183
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, Tn   37383-1000
(615)-598-2190


Posted By: djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us
Time/Date: 11:13 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Tape Tree coming

Assuming we manage to get good tapes from Wait Chapel on friday, this
will most likely be the show we tree...I'd appreciate hearing from
everyone on this net who plans on taping, as I'd like to make the root
of the tree as broad as possible, so everyone gets good tapes.  I may
also include some of the other shows I've taped in this tree, and
would appreciate anyone else doing the same, if there is a demand.  

I'd especially like to hear from anyone who is planning on DATing the
show, so that we can have a digital branch (I'm analog only at the
moment).

Dan
-- 
Daniel J. Blanchat     | Question Authority. Question Reality. Question Me.
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | If someone tells you that you don't need another
Renegade Libertarian   | source for information, you most assuredly do.


Posted By: mmadden@mail.sas.upenn.edu
Time/Date: 11:46 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Is anyone taping 11/8 at Lisner?

Hey everyone...

Are any of you taping the Lisner Aud. show tomorrow night? My little
brother really wanted to go, but couldn't get tickets because by the time
our mom told him he could go, the show was sold out. So I'm looking to find
him tapes instead as a Hanukah present or something. If you tape the show
or have a lead on getting low-gen tapes, PLEASE e-mail me. I have only a
few Dave tapes, but have 200 hours of Dead, 50 hours of Phish (including
Halloween and Syracuse, set II) to trade. Thanks a lot.

Take it easy...

Mike            mmadden@mail.sas.upenn.edu
"Our audience is like people who like licorice... Not everyone likes
licorice, but the people who like licorice, REALLY like licorice!"
                                        --Jerry Garcia


Posted By: KMUHLHAU@smith.smith.edu
Time/Date: 11:50 AM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: lover lay down

Hi everyone-
	I'd really appreciate some more information on this subject:

	In August '93 when DMB played on Nantucket (I live there) I asked
Carter after the show what ever happened to "lover Lay Down" because that
was one of my favorite songs - it is soo sexy! - and they hadn't played
it, at least when I had seen them, since greisler left the band.  Carter told
me that was greisler's song and he took it with him when he left the band.
So maybe Dave didn't write all of the songs? I'd believe it! But in the cover
of "Under the Table and Dreaming" it says that Dave wrote it.  All I know is
that Carter told me that stuff and then the next year they were playing it 
again.  

	Carter also told me a cool and funny story about how the band got 
together but I'll write it when I have a little more time tomorrow.  To 
everyone who responded to my first post, thanks! I'll get in touch ASAP.
I'm having a really hectic senior year.  Thanks, Kristin


Posted By: pyetter@students.wisc.edu
Time/Date: 1:17 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: linser tix please

just a last minute request for anyone who happens to have two extras for
linser.  Thanks, Paul    608-264-1676


Posted By: KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu
Time/Date: 1:32 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Article

I have that part. InRoads article on my wall at this very moment. There's
really not much to it. Family background, new album coming out, old album good,
etc.etc. it really doesn't give much info on the family other than what was
already said. Although i got the impression that the family stayed in C-ville.
The reason I remember this is because I have a dateless Wetlands show in which
Dave intros "Jane..." by saying that it's her birthday and that she's STILL
over in Africa. But on my tapes (bagbies?) from this year, he says she's in
C-ville. Also if I remember correctly, his entire family was at the Strawberry
Banks show, or at least that's what I remember Dave saying. If anybody has any
clue, or even cared enough to read this drivel then let me in on the news.
							Gracias,
							Kev :-Q
"I haven't done nothin' since I woke up today" Angel...

P.S.- As always, for your convenience, smoking IS allowed in my messages.


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 1:49 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Blue Screen Show Setlist 11/7

Hey everyone,

The Blue Screen Show w/ Chico & Ooodz, 2-3:30 Sunday Nights/Monday Mornings
89.3 WNUR-FM, Evanston-Chicago

11/7/94 HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

"Brazil Theme"   ...............Brazil Soundtrack
"Tiki Tiki Room"................Walt Disney
"Ya Mar"........................Phish, 4/23/94 Atlanta, GA
"So Much to Say"................Dave matthews & Tim Reynolds, 1/29/94 NYC
"Coconuts"......................Widespread Panic 10/31/94 Evanston, IL
"Turn On Your Lovelight"........Grateful Dead w/ Janis Joplin
"Landlady"-->"Destiny Unbound"..Phish, 4/11/91 Northfield, MN
"And So It Goes"................Blues Traveler 5/13/94 Aragon, Chicago     
                                                                       
"One Sweet World Intro-->"......DMB, 4/5/94 Athens GA
"Big House Blues"...............Ren & Stimpy

Gotta Love Destiny Unbound...will the EVER play that again??

 |
/ \

Brian

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Posted By: junketw@duc.auburn.edu
Time/Date: 2:13 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: AWARE concert

Greetings from Auburn Alabama, 
		I want to apoligize for writing about a non-DMB show, but 
it seems interest is pretty high on this net about other grooovy bands 
especially those from the AWARE cds.  Four bands from the cd are playing 
here in Auburn Ala, on Nov. 17th , the list includes: Shannon Worrell, 
The Grapes, Vertical Horizon, and Acoustic Junction.  Three other local 
bands are going to fill the gaps between sets.  It seems like it is going 
to be a really cool show -7 hours of great music, outdoors in Auburn's 
magnificent weather.  I have three other friends here in Auburn who are 
on the net and have offered, including me, a place to stay for anyone who 
takes the trip here to go to the show.  tickets are only $8 in advance. 
We'l have great time.  If interested, or if you have any questions, please 
reply to my e-mail address: junketw@mail.auburn.edu .

					"Let the good times roll"
							Tom


Posted By: SHERWOODS@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 2:54 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: big head todd

I apologize for not remembering who had the address for the BHTnet, but
whoever has it, could you please E-mail it to me. take it easy.
"I think it was the seafood. Normally I might be a little more jumpy."
-david m.


Posted By: peterke3@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 3:07 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: im getting worried here...

I ordered tickets for the Wake show over the phone- are they supposed to 
mail them to me? If so when the heck am i gonna get em? Anyone had any 
experiences with this? Do they usually leave you hanging till the last 
minute? humph.
please write, im getting nervous!
Kristin


Posted By: STU_JATHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 3:14 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: tape trade...

Hi all-
	I have just acquired a tape from August '94 from Vail Colorado and
would like to offer it up for a trade.  It fits on one 100min tape and has cool
versions of Warehouse, Say Goodbye, Dancing Nancies, Jimi Thing and Song that
Jane Likes.   
	I would love to trade this for any good quality tape.  If possible I
would especially like to get a tape with Granny on it, since the only one I
have has been taped over something and it does not come through very clear.  If
you would like to get a hold of this tape, just write me and tell me what you
have, etc...  
	I will be at the show Wed at the Lexington Horse Center if you want to
get in touch with me then.  

	turns out not where but what you think that really matters...


-Jeff
stu_jathomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu


Posted By: KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU
Time/Date: 4:22 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: mailing lists

Look, I know this is not entirely dmb related, but several people on this net
 (especially a month or so ago) requested the email addresses for other bands'
 mailing lists.  Matt Sweeney kindly distributed the "horde type" bands' lists.
What I have, is a broader list of "every preformer's list" theat tthis person
 could think of.  There are two problems.  One is that some artists will be of
 no interest to many people here (like poison).  The other problem is that some
 bands are excluded (like DAVE MATTHEWS BAND!!!!).  I have mailed the person
 who organised the list, about this.  I am not going to sort through this file
 to find all the specific bands people are interested in, nor am I going to
 post the whole thing on minarets (it's over 1000 lines).  But, if you would
 like to have a copy forwarded to you, just email me direct with the subject
 of "Send mailing lists file", and I'll get it to you as fast as I can.
 (Pak, I'll send it to you anyway).

                                 keith
                                   koliver1@ua1vm.ua.edu


Posted By: KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu
Time/Date: 4:48 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Mail and such

I want to start out ny thanking everyone who wrote to me and offered to make
copies of the shows I wanted. I'm glad to say that in one day I found copies of
these shows that i've spent months trying to find (I've been looking for that
JGB for almost a year). Now, usually i do all of my trading in person, so this
whole mailing of tapes thing kind of intimidates me. As with any other sane
American, I am just a little intimidated by the US postal service. How much is
postage for a)one tape and b)two tapes. Where do I get the proper envelope and
does the post office sell bubble wrap?  Anybody's help would be much
appreciated. I had a chance to glance at the InRoads article again and it seems
that Dave's brother and sister still live in C-ville, I'm assuming that means
that the rest of his family is back in Africa. One more quick question (sorry)
i have a Wetlands show that begins w/Dave singing Typical solo, the opening
band is Thanks to Gravity, and Dave intros "jane.." by saying that it's her
b-day. What I need is the date for this show. Thanks!
							Kev :-Q
"You'd better stop smoking that stuff, it'll do that to you. I should know, I
read about it once." Dave

As always, for your convenience smoking IS allowed in my messages.


Posted By: 50OGLESBY@CUA.EDU
Time/Date: 5:22 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Live Tapes

Hey Now!
I was wondering if anyone out there in cyberspace woul be up for trading
some of their juicy DMB soundboards for any of the tapes out of my fairly
large Grateful Dead and Phish collection. I am not new to the DMB scene, but I dI do not have any live tapes. I would really appreciate anyone's help! 
Maybe I'll see some of you at the D.C. show.
						Jonathan


Posted By: cledford@onyx.pvcc.cc.va.us
Time/Date: 5:23 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Re: GWU tix

Wow!  I did not think that one could be so loved over the net.  It was 
really great getting to hear from all of you.  I am sorry for responded 
to the inquiries so late but i was to busy this weekend watching Duke 
kick Virginia's ass.  I am sorry to say this, but the tickets have been 
sold.  I wish i could hook up everyone in the world, however i do not 
believe that would be able to happen.  For those that are going i hope 
you have the best time.  peace
xopher


Posted By: frenkel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 5:37 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Newbie offer

Hey all,

	I haven't seen a newbie offer for a little bit...so here goes.  
The first 15 people to e-mail me will get a two tape show from Sweetbriar 
College on 2/25/94.  I haven't done this before, so I don't know what 
else to say :-)  

						Later


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 6:03 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Horse Center....

Some answers to questions about the Horse Center show.....

1)Directions from 81 N. Go south till you get to the 64 west exit (signs 
say lexington). There will be horse center signs on highway too. Get on 
64w and take first exit. Turn right at stop sign and the take first left 
onto route 39, that will go past the horse center. 

2)from 81 S. Same thing. It's the middle Lexington exit (out of 3)

3)Gatherings. No ones scheduled anything, and my idea is the soundboard 
before and during the show. I got stuff to do till about 6 so I cant do 
any pre show. Post show Who knows? The Grapes are playing a late show at 
Crossroads though, if anyone's up for another hour drive..


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Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 6:23 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Re: Horse Center....

*******************************************************************************
     'sanity is vastly overrated- should be used in moderation, like all
    things.. Don't worry about losing your mind, you'll usually find it in
      that bone-thing on your shoulders- it's too big to get out and it's
        attached with that medulla oblongata and spinal cord thingie..'
                          Monk- (the answer man)
     
                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************

On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Sir Buford wrote:

> 
> 3)Gatherings. No ones scheduled anything, and my idea is the soundboard 

yikes.
me and cathy just wanna say, 'shhhhhhhhhh...'
or all our good seats (stands.. whatever it is when we dance and jam and 
spin and live like children in our usual dmb sbd spot) will be trampled 
like buffaloo pastures.

hey.. do buffaloo's have pastures?

why is that buffalo wing's commercial so damn funny?

and if anyone has the right answer to what the birth of a white buffalo 
signifies..  i'll send you a free copy of the brown's island show from 
this summer... 7.30.94. god i love net trivia...

oh.. who thinks it's about time for another net-knighting? huh? huh?
if you think you know anyone of our fellow netters who you think 
would be a good contender.. mail me personally with their name, the 
reaon you think they deserve to be a knight... and.. uh.. (can i be 
mildly creative here???)..... what color underwear you think they have on 
at the moment. (plaids, paisley's stripes should be denoted.)

ok. i've been silly enough for today.
thnxs rick. you can see i've cheered up since a few minutes ago... 
i owe you a hug.  *hug*

racing turtles (turtles turtles and more turtles)
the grapefruit is winning, 
clare emily the pearl chic


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 6:29 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: i wish the mice would eat the friggin' dog...

for those of you with clean crisp copies of the nantucket run from
august, how many have noticed that dave introduces help myself as
none other than dangerous hours.  that song must have such a complex.

it probably also feels pretty ignored at this point.

on lexington...
i think it's pretty much a standard thing for concerts to start
one hour after doors open, so look for rusted root to take the stage 
around 7:30, play for probably about 45 minutes, and then we'll see
dave take the stage b/w 8:30 and nine.  i doubt dave will push much
past 11:30.

for those who haven't heard rusted root yet, you'll be pretty amazed.
they have a huge instrumentation, with something like 8 or 9 musicians,
including bongos and female backup vocals.  i've had a copy of their
debut "when i woke" since about a week before it was initially released.
i picked it up out of my radio stations review bin when it was mailed
to us based on the review printed on the back cover.
i can't really remember the reviews exact words, but i can say myself
that it's a cross between peter gabriel, david byrne, and dave matthews,
with all sorts of really cool world beat rhythms thrown in.  the primary
songwriter for the band is extremely diverse, with everything from a 
afrikan tribal rhythm (including a complete song based on it), to typical
bluegrass, to typical mainstream, and even a track of ethnic indian music.
it's pretty crazy, and it's pretty damn good.  most of the tracks are of
mainstream length, around the 4 minute mark, though one song really jams
out pretty hard, called cruel song.  it seems to be a staple of theirs,
from what i've heard.  i've never heard any of their live material, and
i'm looking forward to wednesday night to hear some...

oh well, enough rambling....
i have sockiology homework to do...

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: smbloom@mailbox.syr.edu
Time/Date: 7:43 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: setlist 10/7/94?!?!

hello, im uncle sig (you may know me from the phish net)
	I just got a tape from 10/7/94 pittsburgh (w/rusted root)
does anyone know the setlist for this show? thanks..

					-sig

p.s. setlist of rusted root for that night would be appreciated too.

be safe.


Posted By: PARISIGRE@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 8:01 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: help with lexington

	I figured this would have been posted by now, but could one of you
well informed JMU, W&L, or UVA people please post or email me some specifics
on lexington.  In other words...directions from 64, what's the word on
tailgating before the show, what time is RR expected to start, is there a 
curfew time - I think the horse center is a closed building so probably not.
Anyway, sorry I'm clueless about lexington- really psyched for the show though,

because the 9th, in addition to being the anniversary of the R2T album, is 
my birthday and if anyone happens to be listening, all I ask for is a kickin'
version of granny to remember through the ages- and I'll remember it...maybe
I've had an unlucky streak, because I keep seeing it on set lists, but I
haven't seen granny in six shows.  That's a six satellite to zero granny ratio.
I don't want to think about it.

Oh, not to waste all your time, but that Entertainment weekly review is 
bordering on offensive.  Why is "biracial" an issue?  Why are "Latin" riffs
an issue?  Latin riffs?  Was the cd skipping on Lover LD over and over?  Am
I missing the latin riffs in Jimi Thing and the rest of the album?  I don't
want to think about it.  Sorry so long
Greg Parisi
<parisigre@urvax.urich.edu>


Posted By: beamer@email.unc.edu
Time/Date: 8:15 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Re: "requesting information" boot I.D.

Gerhard,



I'd love a copy of this tape.  Please email me at beamer@email.unc.edu
with info on how to get  it.  Thanks.
 Drew

ps. To anyone out there who may have any other live tapes of DMB, Blues 
Travelers, and especially Phish, please let me know.


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 9:02 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Re: i wish the mice would eat the friggin' dog...

>on lexington...
>i think it's pretty much a standard thing for concerts to start
>one hour after doors open, so look for rusted root to take the stage
>around 7:30, play for probably about 45 minutes, and then we'll see
>dave take the stage b/w 8:30 and nine.  i doubt dave will push much
>past 11:30.

hmm..  they told me rusted root at 8pm and dave at "9, but they always start
late"..

as for rusted root, I've had the pleasure of experiencing them twice, and
they are fantastic.  Tons of live energy, great musicians, and if anyone read
my post on the rusted root net, great people to boot.

if anyone feels like having some fun, try counting the number of instruments
each one of them plays during the show..  it'll boggle.

love
brett

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Brett Kingswell                                           bmking@mail.wm.edu
we've been lovers since we were born


Posted By: tmr3c@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:44 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: LOST IN LEXINGTON

Does anyone have good directions to the Horse Center in
Lexington?  I am coming from Charlottesville, and I know 64 to
81, but after that I am lost.  HELP! 
Also T.J. Palvino, if you are out there, please write.  I don't
need the UVA tape, I have made other arrangements.  I felt bad
asking you to do so many tapes.  I am hoping to get in touch with
you before the show at the Horse Center.  Thanks!!
Tonya


Posted By: driver8@phy.duke.edu
Time/Date: 11:14 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: trades ne1?

I got a kinda cool tape of a solo et al. dave show this summer...It's a 
second generation tape and the sound quality is great!...

Now here's the catch...I'd like to have some 
recodings of some obscure dave songs.  In particular, 
I'm looking for:

- Angel from montgomery (prine)
- Drive In, Drive Out
- Help Myself
- Maker, the (Lanois)
- #36
- So much to say
- And any others that you think I might like

I'll trade a limited number of people my solo et al. tape for these songs 
but I'd really like to have some rarities.  The set list for my tape is 
as follows:
------------
random dave show (maybe november or december 92?)
------------
Quick Lay (Say Goodbye)
Ants Marching
Sattelite
What Would You Say
Jimmy Thing
------------
Solo
------------
Best of What's Around
Recently
Cry Freedom
Tripping Billies
Song That Jane Likes
I'll Back You Up
What Would You Say
Sattelite (After Her)
Lover Lay Down
One Sweet World
Typical Situaion
------------
oddities
------------
What Would You Say (reprise)
Ants Marching (crazy violins)
Dancing with Nancies (2nd time played live)


If you want to trade I'll copy this on a 90 min TDK SA90 tape and if 
you would do the same, we can trade addresses. Write and tell me what you 
think.

ps - if anyone might be interested in hearing my band's demo when it's 
done so as to give me some feedback I'd greatly appreciate it.  

"I promise no Dave covers" 

Sean
                -----------------------------------------
               "Hi, we're r.e.m. and you're a storage box"
                -----------------------------------------
			      Sean Spicer
		    Duke University, Dept. of Physics


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 11:40 PM Monday, November 7, 1994
Subject: Re: trades ne1?

*******************************************************************************
     'sanity is vastly overrated- should be used in moderation, like all
    things.. Don't worry about losing your mind, you'll usually find it in
      that bone-thing on your shoulders- it's too big to get out and it's
        attached with that medulla oblongata and spinal cord thingie..'
                          Monk- (the answer man)
     
                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************

On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Dancing Nancy wrote:

> ------------
> random dave show (maybe november or december 92?)
> ------------
> Quick Lay (Say Goodbye)
> Ants Marching
> Sattelite
> What Would You Say
> Jimmy Thing
> ------------

sean.. .if this is the set for the 'random dave show nov/dec 92' then 
you've got the guess of the date wrong. (sorry i can't say tha in a 
kinder way)...

(QL&) say goodbye wan't arount until late 93 (at least under the name to 
which we refer to it at that time). but the beginnings (evolutionary 
beginnings) of that song began in the summer of 93. june-ish.... 
regardless... 
either way.. its' not a 92 tape. 

hugs to all.. love and brilliant light, 
clare emily

'no one dared no one cared to tell me where the pretty girls are, those 
demi-gods with their NINE-INCH-NAILS little facist panties tucked inside 
the heart of every girl....'
Brian Frenkel


Posted By: driver8@phy.duke.edu
Time/Date: 1:43 AM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: trades ne1 update

Okay, Okay, the tape isn't from '92...it's funny how 2s and 3s get 
confused when you've just finished an engineering problem set...sorry, 
the tape is from november/december '93!

i apologize for the typo...

                -----------------------------------------
               "Hi, we're r.e.m. and you're a storage box"
                -----------------------------------------
			      Sean Spicer
		    Duke University, Dept. of Physics


Posted By: AHENNE@drew.edu
Time/Date: 9:37 AM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Irving Plaza setlist and review

Hey everyone,
	It's Tuesday morning and I have a quiz in less than an hour, so 
I'm going to try and make this as fast as possible.  Here goes:

11-7-94 Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds at Irving Plaza, NYC
		opening act Shannon Worrell

Set I:	Recently
	Pay for What you Get
	Satellite
	One Sweet World
	Tripping Billies
	DAncing Nancies
	Lie in Our Graves
	Warehouse
Set II:	Best of What's Around
	Typical Situation
	Minarets
	Rhyme and Reason
	Jimi Thing
	I'll Back you Up
	Ants Marching
	Streams*
	Say Goodbye
	Two Step
	Christmas Song
	# 36
	So Much to Say
	All Along the Watchtower

First of all, I have to say that I was really bothered by the crowd at 
this show.  They were LOUD!  Dave came out to sing harmony on one of 
Shannon's songs, and the woman next to me screamed every time he opened 
his mouth.  People yelled between every song and over the top of Tim's 
best solos.  This bugged the hell out of me: if people have no respect for 
their fellow audience members, they should at least respect the 
performers.  But enough whining...

Aside from the irritating crowd, the show was incredible.  The first set 
was fairly predictable, good strong renditions of the songs, but nothing 
really overwhelming.  But the second set....Minarets was hot, with Dave 
doing some freaky vocal effects and Tim spinning out strange 
Arabic-sounding lines.  Jimi Thing was long and sweet, Tim played a very 
bluesy solo that seemed very out of character for him, but cool.  The big 
surprise for me was Ants Marching: I'd told a friend before the show that 
that was the one song they definitely wouldn't play, because it just 
didn't fit the solo format.  Just goes to show you.  It was interesting to 
hear it done this way, without the sax/violin riff that defines the song 
for me.  I kept expecting Tim to play the violin part, but he just 
noodled around, although he added a very intense solo.  Correct me if I'm 
wrong, but this is the first time Dave's done Ants in a solo show, yes?  
Say Goodbye was beautiful, as always.  Two Step I didn't even recognize; 
this was kind of a weak performance.  The crowd began shouting out 
requests here; someone shouted for #36, so Dave agreed to play the 
"edited" version.  This was very impressive, with Tim playing funky 
basslines and Dave doing some sweet scat singing and vocal weirdness.  So 
Much to Say, I thought they weren't playing this anymore?  I was glad to 
hear it, anyway.  And finally, Watchtower.  I think the slow beginning 
confused many people in the crowd, but they got into it.  I love how that 
intro just builds anticipation until the fast part kicks in....Tim played 
a long, quietly intense solo on this, a strange contrasts to the electric 
shows I've heard, where's he's just over the top.  Towards the end, Dave 
began quoting Stairway to Heaven; hey, it's the same chord progression.

Unfortunately, no soundboard patch was available, so it looks like the 
only tapes that'll be around will be from the one and only audience taper 
who bravely set up his mikes right in the middle of the frat boys.  It's a 
shame, considering what a great show it was, and how damned irritating the 
crowd was.  Still, I would love to get this on tape, so...anyone who comes 
across a tape of this, I'd like it, regardless of sound quality.  I have 
over a hundred hours of Phish/Dead/Dave/others to trade for it.  Anyone?

Gotta go to class.  Buh-bye...Adam


Posted By: jk2z@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:48 AM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 341

In response to shaft's request,

	I have that tape as well, wetlands that is, pretty
cool.  I believe it is from May 1993, but have no evidence of
that. 

	One thing that does support it though is Dave's saying,
"Is everybody doing okay? Is Everyone okay?  We've been trying for ages 
to get the air fixed, but we don't use it here.  CAUSE IT'S JUST
NOT GOOD."  My thought it is around the summer.

	I read that inRoads article as well this summer, but it was almost
worthless. I lost it however.  There was a pretty cool article
in the C'ville in the beginning of October.  It was like three
pages, with lots of cool pictures and stuff. I can't find that
one either, but I thought everyone would like to know.


"This song is called Tripping Hillbillies, It's about Virginia"

					

							Jeff


Posted By: bseal@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 10:02 AM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Lexington Show

Any of you folks looking for a place to stay after the show get in touch 
with me, I may be able to help you out.  I live about five minutes away 
from the Horse Center and have some room (if you don't mind hard wood 
floors).  It probably beats paying for a hotel room or driving back 
somewhere all messed up.  There's going to be a lot of stuff going on at 
W&L after the show so sticking around would probably be a lot of fun for 
you out-of-townies.  I don't have that much space so first come first 
serve.  Just let me know in some way shape or form that you're not a 
serial killer or anything of that sort.

Britt


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 10:50 AM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Re: Irving Plaza setlist and review

A few notes on other Adam's setlist-

1. Not the first Bandless Ants Marching. Sorry.

2. They hadn't played So Much to Say in quite a while. A nice treat.

3. Dave did the same Stairway thing this summer in Watchtower, but he 
forgot the words.

4. Personally, I didn't think the crowd was that bad. A little loud and 
obnoxious, but they cheered almost as loudly for Say Goodbye as for Ants, 
and several seemed to know what was up when Dave pulled out So Much to 
Say. Much older and a little more restrained than DMB crowds of late.

5. More than one taper. tapers tend to share patches into mikes. 
Wandering closer to the "sweet spot" where the tapers set up (always a 
great place to hear a show), I noticed several DATs and accompanying 
tapers. Tapes should be circulating.

Great venue. Too bad beer in NYC is $4 a can. 

				-Adam


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 10:58 Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Re: Irving Plaza setlist and review

>surprise for me was Ants Marching: I'd told a friend before the show that
>that was the one song they definitely wouldn't play, because it just
>didn't fit the solo format.  Just goes to show you.  It was interesting to
>hear it done this way, without the sax/violin riff that defines the song
>for me.  I kept expecting Tim to play the violin part, but he just
>noodled around, although he added a very intense solo.  Correct me if I'm
>wrong, but this is the first time Dave's done Ants in a solo show, yes?

Just to let you know, I have a tape from 1/19/93 where dave opens with some
solo stuff, including Ants..  if I remember, though, he does intro it with
something to the effect of "well, I wouldn't normally do this..  but I will..
because I want to..  <maniacal cackling>"

brett

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Brett Kingswell                                           bmking@mail.wm.edu
If only God would give me some clear sign!  Like making a large deposit
in my name at a Swiss bank.           - Woody Allen, "Without Feathers"


Posted By: JAROUNDS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:31 AM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: tapes and stuff

hey all.  ok, here's my first plea.  i saw dave open up for toad the wet
sprocket at w&m about two years ago.  i fell in love instantly, but being
a naive little high school student i did not understand the bootleg scene.
i got a tape of a tape of a bootleg and that was all my dave until r2t.
so, now that i'm finally getting some real bootlegs (ok, so my boyfriend
is doing all the work) i would love to trade for that w&m show.  if
anyone has the show i would love to hear from you.

also, jeff (my busy man collecting bootlegs) offered the vail colorado
show to traders.  so, i'll tape it for any newbies.  i'm not sure how
big a response i'll get, but i'll try to take as many requests as i can.

i'm sorry i forgot who said something about meeting before the va horse
center show, but i would love to meet some of the faces of the names i've
been reading for the past year.  any suggestions of meeting places or times?
i go to jmu, so i'm not too far from lexington, but i don't know the 
lexington area.

:) jaime
JAROUNDS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU


Posted By: toolemd@duc.auburn.edu
Time/Date: 12:34 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Irving Plaza Question.

     I just read a post of the Irving Plaza show and was wondering if Tim 
did any of his own songs.  This past august at the Birchmere Tim did a 
couple, including 'mountain song'(correct title?)  I am also interested 
in hearing about Shannon's set.  Was 'Eleanor' as smooth as usual?  Was 
Matt Tifford there on cello?       

                               8)  Toole


         The most pitiful among men is he who
         turns his dreams into silver and gold.
                     -Kahlil Gibran


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 12:33 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Previously on minarets.net......

Some more thoughts..

1)Rick has previously stated that Rusted Root's debut is When I Woke, but 
alas, a previous disc exists, much in the idea of R2T (not live, but self 
produce with repeat songs on new disc). Its got 11 songs, four of which 
are also on When I Woke (but remixed) and is a solid effort also. I'm 
ready for the drum trip.....

2)More on horse Center. For Phish, the parking lot was way cool, 
tailgating etc. Its on a grass hill. I didn't see the usual veggie 
cookouts set up and such, but the county police deal with the horse 
center and were quite cool. At WSP I was late and everyone was inside. 
IMHO I would think beer type tailgating was fine, with other things 
slightly more discreet and maybe in a car,van, VW bus, etc. I would 
hesistate on bringing your gas stove, veggies and bead/necklace 
salesbooths, just cuz I didn't see and last time. Nitrous, its your call 
on that, I'm not gonna tell anyone to bring it and then get them busted. 
As always, use your noodle and think a bit before you do what you do. 
Directions are simple. There are signs on 81 that will tell you to take 
the 64 W exit and there are signs on the exit to tell you how to get 
there. It really ain't to hard. 

3)Clare, being the first and foremost knight of all, I think I need to 
review applications also......

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|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
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|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
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Posted By: JSLAGHT@drew.edu
Time/Date: 12:40 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: irving plaza!

My review of the show:
	








mail
send


Posted By: JSLAGHT@drew.edu
Time/Date: 12:56 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Irving Plaza!

Overall, an incredible show.  Highlights were I'll Back You Up, two step, 
#36, christmas song, so much to say(my favorite dave tune), and an
INCREDIBLE solo by Tim (called Streams?).  
	A drawback was, unfortunately, the crowd.  At one point the people
behind me decided to begin singing ALL the songs ( including Back You Up)
in dave-possessed voice.  There was also some very large fellow who bullied
his way up to the front and was muttering "granny" after every couple lines
of Back You Up.  
	People need to start to respect other members of the audience as well
as the performers.  It really wasn't cool that I could hear people other
than Dave singing a lot of the songs.
	The guy in front of me had the right idea when he said this to a
singing drunk:	"Hey, who sings this song?"
		"what?"
		"who sings this song?"
		"uh......dave matthews?"
		" that's right, let's keep it that way"
	During Rhyme&Reason someone in the front row blew a large hit towards
Dave.  I watched as the smoke crept through the blue light until it had
surrounded him.  His nostrils enlarged, his eyes cracked open (an emotional
part of  the song) and he smiled.  
						dr.oopy
	"open up my head and let me out.......little baby"


Posted By: wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:29 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Re: Previously on minarets.net......

I went to WSP at the Horsey Centre, and showed up boku early...

There were quite a few people fumbling around with big honkin
balloons...as well as one and two hitters...the cops said
nothing.

There was a LOT of beer tailgating...


Have fun, tell me all about it (i wish i could go), and above
all, DON'T GET CAUGHT DOING ANYTHING STOOPID...


Peace,
Wade


Posted By: KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu
Time/Date: 2:32 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Title

I just read something puzzling on the net:
"For those of you with clean crisp copies of the nantucket run from august, how
many have noticed that Dave introduces help myself as none other than dangerous
hours."
	In all the my years of listening to DMB, that song has always been
titled "Desperate Hours" (with the exception of one show where he calls it
Dangerous Hours)

							Kev :-Q

"Why is today a special day? Because it's not yesterday or tomorrow."
								-Dave

As always, for your convenience smoking IS allowed in my message


Posted By: sonfije0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 2:48 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: has anyone out there figured out recently?

Has anyone out there figured out recently?  I know the intro, but cant do
it from there.  Im close, but before posting it to the chord file, i want
other info.  thanks,
                                        justin
Justin Sonfield
S.P.O. 183
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, Tn   37383-1000
(615)-598-2190


Posted By: flats@WPI.EDU
Time/Date: 3:37 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Re: im getting worried here...

Usually you do end up getting the tickets in the mail at the last minute but
my tickets for the Irving Plaza show never made it.  I called American Express
and they gave me that confirmation number that usually gets written on some
random piece of scrap paper that gets thrown away sometime later (as in my 
case)  Then give ticket master a call, they'll connect you with customer 
service.  Explain you haven't received the tickets in the mail.  They gave me 
a lost ticket voucher confirmation number and said to give this number to the
box office along with ID and the credit card that you bought the tickets with.
Hope this works out.  
	The acoustic show was real sweet.  Two sets, no encore.  I was 
surprised that alot of the songs sounded better in the acoustic format.  Still 
some were screaming for Boyd's touch.  The first set opened with Recently and
pretty much included all songs from the albums.  There's no way I can produce
any type of set list but the songs included were: One Sweet World, Best of 
Whats Around, Satelite, Tripping Billies, Dancing Ninies, and closed with 
Warehouse.  The second set was much more spacey including Minarets, Typical 
Situation, Christmas Song, I'll Back You Up, Say Goodbye, Ants, a great jam
by Tim Reynolds, a few songs I don't know because I have no live tapes (hint)
and Watchtower to close.  Show got out around 12:30 but I'm unsure of when it
started because Shannon Worrell opened up first.  
							     
						-flats@wpi.edu


Posted By: RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 5:31 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: hey a little note....

just thought some of you might like to know that John Lennon died today 
nov. 8th at 11:04.... keep him in mind

thanks

rich

i once had a girl or should i say she once had me........


Posted By: AHENNE@drew.edu
Time/Date: 6:09 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: AAARRRGGHH!!!!

damn, i checked my mail yesterday--and i'd received twelve, count them, 
TWELVE packages of tapes, either trade stuff or blanks.  i can't handle 
this!  what was i thinking to have allowed things to get to this level?  
anyway, this can't continue.  so, everyone, if i'm making tapes for you, 
please be patient.  i'll get them to you, but a little later.  if i told 
you two days, make it a week.  i've been told by a wise man that i need to 
slow down, and i do believe he's right.  
	adam, who also goes to class in his spare time


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 6:14 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Re: Irving Plaza Question.

>  'mountain song'(correct title?) 

I believe this song is called 'You Are My Sanity'
Stream is a TR song - think i saw that in the set list.

Gray


Posted By: jjthomps@teton.Mines.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 6:31 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: freudian slip = appropriate title

> some were screaming for Boyd's touch.  The first set opened with Recently and
> pretty much included all songs from the albums.  There's no way I can produce
> any type of set list but the songs included were: One Sweet World, Best of 
> Whats Around, Satelite, Tripping Billies, Dancing Ninies, and closed with 
					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I know it was just a case of the brain moving faster than the fingers, but
I like it as a description of some of the audience...

"Could I have been... a dancing ninny?"

BTW - I just got a tape from Liberty Hall, KS.  DMB's first trip to Kansas,
and I don't know the date.  It came from a guy who did sound at Liberty
Hall, but he didn't send the date.  Just after R2T, like late Dec. early
Jan '94?  I don't have an old newsletter with any info.  Any help would be
appreciated.  

I'd give a portion of the set list but I don't think its really in
circulation, so you might not find it in your collections.  But LeRoi does
a cool little Benny Hill Theme riff in Recently - that's the first time
I've ever heard that (or noticed.)  If you're interested - let me know
'bout trading.

Take care, (of yourself -and your shoes - and your neighbor's shoes)
Jason


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 6:44 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: doin' the chameleon prism dance...

>yikes.
>me and cathy just wanna say, 'shhhhhhhhhh...'
>or all our good seats (stands.. whatever it is when we dance and jam and
>spin and live like children in our usual dmb sbd spot) will be trampled
>like buffaloo pastures.

well, think about how termendously large the sbd area is at the horse
center.  there's enough room for a herd of small packiderm to dance
back there.  at least there was at phish, which sold out. 

>
>hey.. do buffaloo's have pastures?

more like:  do pastures have buffalo's?  oh shit, don't get me started
on ecology.....this is a music net...

>i owe you a hug.  *hug*
*rmph*
(oy.  bear hug.;)

>
>racing turtles (turtles turtles and more turtles)
doya think heathcliff will win?

i while back i had this weird ideer pop into my head, and i keep forgetting
to share...

while listening to the studio warehouse, i somehow got this overwhelming
urge to hear (now get this...) bagpipes.  in certain places, they've 
managed to make boyd sound so ethereal that you just want to see a man
in a kilt come trapesing (sp?) along.

it sounds stupid, i know, but it's true.  i want to hear a piper jam with
dave band.



(heelp, we hev a piper down, ay piper is down....)
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \              rick thompson
                                   \         <stu_rcthomps@jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 6:57 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU

this is about the acoustic show.  not meatloaf.

as for ants marching at acoustic shows, dave and tim played it
on 12-12-93.  and tim really kicks out the ass on that solo near
the end where boyd is usually playing the same note over and over
and over and over again.  

as far  as so much to say goes, you say "i thought _they_ didn't
play it anymore,"  which is more or less right.  i haven't heard
of the whole band doing it this year.  but dave and tim did that
one at the aforementioned movie palace show.  at that show (in
c-ville), tim ripped it apart with some beautiful slide guitar
playing that blows me away every time i hear it.


(and over and over and over again.)

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
 ps-i think meatloaf sux, anyway...\  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 7:04 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: disturbing images inspired by the "needle to the vein, needle to the vein..."

you know that really spacey period as you fall asleep where you aren't
asleep and aren't awake and aren't really anything but one giant thought?
you know, that period when you mind comes up with _REALLY_ fucked up
things?  


no?

well, i do, and last night, as i drifted through this lost time while
listening to uttad, and as rhyme and reason floated gently through my
head, i saw what i would consider to be a pretty whacked out allusion:
hell turning inside out.  right as dave started screaming.  it was just
too cool.  and then i saw dave standing in the center of this involuted 
hades grinning, and then he turned inside out, and then the song started 
fading away, and i fell asleep.


also, just how did an acoustic #36 sound?  that must have rocked your
world.

and when i did dave play the tripping billies intro?  i haven't heard
of that happening in decades...

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: PPLUSCHT@UA1VM.UA.EDU
Time/Date: 7:08 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: John Lennon R.I.P.

Correction to note that I saw posted earlier.  John Lennon died on
December 8th, 1980 not November 8th.  We all still miss him, don't we?
....in my life.... Patrick


Posted By: CGL5671@ACS.TAMU.EDU
Time/Date: 7:29 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Tapes

Hi, I'm new to taping.  So if anyone is willing to send me their mailing 
address, I'll send them a blank and return postage.

						Thanks,
						Cliff
						CGL5671@zeus.tamu.edu


Posted By: PARISIGRE@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 7:41 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: home page

I apologize for missing it, but could someone post the home page location
one more time.  Thanks.

See you in Lexington!
Greg


Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:25 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Have an extra Lexington ticket

I know this show is not sold out but if anyone is in need of an extra and
would rather not go out and buy their own I will gladly meet you at the horse
center and give you my extra.

Thanks,
Dan Entin


Posted By: gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 8:46 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Tim song title

>mountain song (correct title?)

     er, I think that's "you are my sanity."  whenever Tim plays it, he
usually mentions a mountain, etc. 

     "I wrote this song... I was way up hiiiggghhh on a mountain, and I was
eating my breakfast."


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 9:51 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Re: home page

On Tue, 8 Nov 1994 PARISIGRE@urvax.urich.edu wrote:

> I apologize for missing it, but could someone post the home page location
> one more time.  Thanks.
> 
> See you in Lexington!
> Greg
> 

Hey all.

It's http://netspace.org/DMB

Renovations coming Friday morning!  

I'll announce then.

-Ben


Posted By: @mail.trincoll.edu:James.Evans@mail.trincoll.edu
Time/Date: 10:52 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject:

How do I end this thing? I need to get off this network, I can't handle the
traffic that is on it.


Posted By: KevTad@aol.com
Time/Date: 11:36 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: New year's show

I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about Dave playing in Richmond
on new year's eve.  My brother told me about it and said that tickets were
52.50.  If so when are tickets going on sale and what's included.

Also, if anyone would like to trade let me know.

-kevin


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 11:53 PM Tuesday, November 8, 1994
Subject: Re: Irving Plaza setlist and review

Does anyone have an actual show length?  I'm inclined to say that it was a
good 2 and a half hours, but I certainly wasn't checking my watch every five
minutes (well, I was during Shannen Worrell.  Sorry, I just couldn't get into
it except for the song about Athena or something.  Huh huh.  I feel like I'm
commiting treason).

By the way... after #36 we tried to get Dave to play Drive In Drive Out (we
tried wade, we really really TRIED), but apparently someone else asked for So
Much To Say.  Oh, and SMTS wasn't really full.  At least as far as I remember
he never actually played the chorus, and repeated the verses and bridge
several times until it seemed monotonous.  But it's still a great tune, and I
was extremely pleased to hear it.

Tim's tune was fucking incredible.  His solos in Billies, Minarets, and Jimi
were brilliant.  There were times he seemed to be noodling, but hey, no one
is dead on every second, especially if your job is to basically play around
Dave's steady rhythm.

The crowd really wasn't that bad.  I noticed them talking during 2 Step.  I
love the song, but it WAS a bit lazy last night.

And of course Dave made the necessary comment about all the fun he had in
Amsterdam.

Virginia people: have fun at the show(s).

Ben

(feelin stupid because clare had to point out my sig was wrong)

just another memo from the cellar,

    ************************************************************************
   *      "I'm pretty lost but                  * --   Ben Sterling  --   *
  *           I don't want to be found"        * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
 *                -Juliana Hatfield           *  --   New York, NY  --  *
************************************************************************


Posted By: malachi@leland.Stanford.EDU
Time/Date: 12:25 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: random

I know it's a little late, but here's my favorite "could I":

	Could I have been the singer in Everything?
		-7/24/94-
		   after Everything opened

Also, a couple of random questions:

1.  What two things am I supposed to remember?

2.  What's the story on Peter Greisler?  Was he a full time member of DMB?
      When and why did he leave?  Did he only play keyboard?  What's he 
      doing now?  etc.
	  Any info would be MUCH appreciated,
			M A L A C H I


Posted By: jcdavis@wam.umd.edu
Time/Date: 1:15 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Lisner GW show

WOW! What a cool show!
I can't exactly recall the setlist but I will give the highlights...
First of all...Someone must have been listening...because Jimi Thing was 
definately an extended Jam...pretty long..I don't know about 10 
mins...but 8 at least...
Second...Cry Freedom! I don't know if he has been playing that lateley 
but it was sure a surprise to me. exact Dave quote #634: "This is an old 
one that we haven't gotten on an album yet, but I'm sure alot of you have 
it recorded." 
Third...Encore: Halloween! A real treat for me who has never seen it live 
yet it sounded pretty much exactly like it does on Recently EP..
#36 was good also..never seen that either..
Ummm..I am getting a tape sent to me...If anyone wants it...You know what 
to do..


Posted By: driver8@phy.duke.edu
Time/Date: 1:17 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Wait Chapel

I just wanted to know who's going to be taping/treeing the wait chapel 
show on fri and if I could get in on this...I'll be there so if anyone is 
interested in getting together b/d/a the show...I'm not opposed

sean 

ps - thanks for the response on the solo tape those of you who are getting 
coppies you know who you are...

"Savior in a mug,
 messiah in bean,
 red hot steamin' cup o' joe is what i need"

		- ?Coming Soon? -  


                -----------------------------------------
               "Hi, we're r.e.m. and you're a storage box"
                -----------------------------------------
			      Sean Spicer
		    Duke University, Dept. of Physics


Posted By: KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu
Time/Date: 2:32 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: GW!!

I hope I'm the first one on, if not then I apologize for taking up valuable
space by repeating something that somebody else has already said. Anyway, I
just now returned from the GW show (2:11am) and I had to throw my opinion in.
Good news all, Boyd has finally woken from his drug induced coma! The last show
I saw the band play, Boyd was essentiallly in the background not doing much,
and from what I hear over this net, others have been saying the same. But
tonight Boyd stole the show.  This was probably the second best (or at least
energetic) shows I've ever seenin my three years of Davedom. The crowd of
course was a little unbearable at times, the Dave-come-latelies were out in
full force and they brought their Watchtower/ants/Satellite yelling with them.
The highlight of the evening came when this little exchange took place:
Dave-"this is a new song"
Drunken newbie-"Watchtower!!!!"
Dave-"No, that's an old song. (expletive)"
Rather amusing to those who experienced it. But on the good side, it was good
to see Dave get such an excited and enthusiastic crowd. Not to mention that I
like the crowd mix of DMB/RR fans, it made things a little friendlier, but
don't ask me to explain how. Well enough of my jabbering, on with the setlist!

_Seek Up(over 15mins., cool)
-Dancing Nancies
-Warehouse
-Satellite
-Ryhme&Reason
-Best of what's around
-NewSong (Satellite riff, drive in?, get in line?)
-Tripping Billies
-Jimi Thing (15 mins. just like the old days)
-Cry Freedom
-Minarets
-Typical
-#36
-Ants Marching
-Halloween (encore)

That's it folks. If anyone happend to record this show,give me a call, I would
love to have a copy of it. For those of you going to tomorrows (tonights?) show
in Lex. I'll see you there. TJ I'll keep an eye out for you.

""Jeff Bagby on sound. He's publishing a book on smelly bits and pieces." 
								-Dave
							Kev :-Q

As always, for your convenience smoking IS allowed in my messages.


Posted By: fhouse@vt.edu
Time/Date: 2:40 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Ants solo

Correct me if I'm  wrong, but this is the first time Dave's done Ants in a 
solo show, yes?         

        I have a show where Dave and Tim do Ants... Tim has a great solo in 
the song and it's about the only Ants I listen to anymore.. Just letting you 
know...
        
                                                                -Fred House


Posted By: jtv2j@henson.cs.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:45 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Lisner auditorium

I don't think this is exactly right, but It's pretty close, I think.
At least this is everything I remember them playing =)

Seek Up
Dancing Nancies
Warehouse
Satellite 
Rhyme and Reason
Best of What's Around
Get in Line
Tripping Billies
Jimi Thing
Cry Freedom
Minarets
Typical Situation
#36->
Ants Marching
E: Halloween


Well, even if their set list can be predicted by Ben's "Virtual
setlist", it evolves enough that shows are significantly different
each time.  Although, not too long ago, they were stuck on that damn 
Two Step into Ants Marching, which was great the first oh, five or six
times....

I think it was too bad they dropped Two Step and not Ants =)

Well, I liked the new song a lot, it's nice that there's now a song
where I know NONE of the words to, and bonus, the lyrics are
completely unintelligable.  Very pleased with that.

I don't really think they're stagnating, I think they're evolving a
lot, though.  Rhyme and Reason used to be a very jazzy and mellow
song, and now is a fierce rocker.  Typical Situation used to rock
pretty hard, and has mellowed out a LOT.  Cry Freedom gained a lot
with the band backing...
And then there's Jimi Thing.  Hmm.
They were playing it a lot up until about March or so, then it
dissappeared for a while.  Now it's mellowed out a lot, even if it
jams as hard.  Last night's jam was VERY incredible.  But the one
thing I miss about the song is the fourth verse that used to end the
song that never made any sense.  The jam just ends on a too mellow
note for that these days.  And I miss the extra lyrics in Pay for What
you Get:  We tend to walk away from the difficult days....
And carter's harmony over the word "doing"

Anyway, I personally don't think the music has gotten stale or
redundant...
(Tho maybe one or 2 songs in particular, on the whole, nope)

See y'all tomorrow night!

Me.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|John Viega                                  "The finest day I ever had             |
|rust@virginia.edu                           was when I learned to cry on command"  |
|http://uvacs.cs.virginia.edu/~jtv2j/                                               |
|University of Virginia                                                             |
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Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 3:08 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Re: Lisner GW show

>Second...Cry Freedom! I don't know if he has been playing that lateley
>but it was sure a surprise to me. exact Dave quote #634: "This is an old
>one that we haven't gotten on an album yet, but I'm sure alot of you have
>it recorded."

Well, actually I think they have been playing it more recently, and that's
just cool as a free slurpee I think.  And, I think Dave quote #634 might be
somewhere in the 400's.. :)  I was listening to a tape earlier tonight and
he introduced Lie in Our Graves the same way..

here's hopin' to much funkin' groovin' wed and fri nites..

pretty baby!

brett

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brett Kingswell                                           bmking@mail.wm.edu
If only God would give me some clear sign!  Like making a large deposit
in my name at a Swiss bank.           - Woody Allen, "Without Feathers"


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 4:29 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Re: Lisner GW sho

hey!
you were supposed to be in bed, young man!

catcha at the show tonight... 
hugs, clare 
*******************************************************************************
                   'never never never let me go' she says 
           'hold me like this for a hundred thousand million days' 
          but suddenly she slows and looks down in my breaking face  
      'why do you cry? what did i say?'  'but it's just rain' i smile...
                          brushing my tears away...    

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 9:04 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Re: Lisner auditorium

On Wed, 9 Nov 1994 jtv2j@henson.cs.virginia.edu wrote:

> Well, even if their set list can be predicted by Ben's "Virtual
> setlist", it evolves enough that shows are significantly different
> each time.  Although, not too long ago, they were stuck on that damn 
> Two Step into Ants Marching, which was great the first oh, five or six
> times....

See the thing is that their doing the same songs every night isn't even 
so bad (or maybe it's that I've given up trying to do anything about it 
and I'm rationalizing  . . .).  But they also do things the same WAY 
every time.  Two Step > Ants was fun, because we could impress the 
"dave-come-latelies" (I deleted the post but whoever coined that phrase-- 
thanks!).  At the first note of two step you could tell everyone around 
you that ants marching was coming soon.   They'd all be happy because 
their favorite song was coming up.

At 8/6/94, they pulled out two step > best.  ha! I didn't know what was 
coming next and I liked it.

> 
> I think it was too bad they dropped Two Step and not Ants =)

ditto.

> Well, I liked the new song a lot, it's nice that there's now a song
> where I know NONE of the words to, and bonus, the lyrics are
> completely unintelligable.  Very pleased with that.

Not get in line?

> I don't really think they're stagnating, I think they're evolving a
> lot, though.  Rhyme and Reason used to be a very jazzy and mellow
> song, and now is a fierce rocker.  Typical Situation used to rock
> pretty hard, and has mellowed out a LOT.  Cry Freedom gained a lot
> with the band backing...

Rhyme and Reason entered its present state in April. (athens shows, or 
thereabouts).

> And then there's Jimi Thing.  Hmm.
> They were playing it a lot up until about March or so, then it
> dissappeared for a while.  Now it's mellowed out a lot, even if it
> jams as hard.  Last night's jam was VERY incredible.  But the one
> thing I miss about the song is the fourth verse that used to end the
> song that never made any sense.  The jam just ends on a too mellow
> note for that these days.  And I miss the extra lyrics in Pay for What
> you Get:  We tend to walk away from the difficult days....

wasn't it "we tend to walk away from difficulty"?

> See y'all tomorrow night!

Enjoy the show tonight!  And if anyone gets to talk to Carter (not likely 
these days) tell him Ben sent him some pictures.

-Ben


Posted By: bmcclung@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 9:16 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Wake Forest tix!?!

Hey Daveheads. . .I'm a newbie, die-hard, Dave fan who goes to W&L and 
lives about ten minutes from the VA Horse Center, but I have to work 
tonight and I can't go to the concert.  So I'm looking for tickets to the 
show Friday night at Wake Forest.  Anybody have any?  I'm willing to 
offer cash and Phish bootlegs.  Please help.  

This is my first posting and I don't really understand this whole thing.  
Hope this message gets some response (and I'm praying for Wake tickets).

Thanks.
Brian McClung


Posted By: TPUSATERI@tlc-486.clemson.edu
Time/Date: 9:17 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 342

If anyone can tell me how to get into the chords file and also see
the pictures etc.. I would really appreciate your help. Thanx again.

            Over and Out,

                    TROY


Posted By: KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU
Time/Date: 9:50 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: mailing lists

OK--  I just wanted to let you all know that I had an emergency presentation
 to give yesterday, and I will begin mailing the mailing lists out now.  Don't
 worry -- but if you requested one and you don't have it by friday, just mail
 me again.  I had to ignore my account since monday for the presentation, and
 when I logged on, I had 225 messages, so if I accidently erased any of yours,
 I'm sorry, just re-mail me.  Another choice is that Ben was intrested in
 making this file FTPable -- in which case, I have this request:  If you know
 of any appropriate mail lists that are not present on the list, just mail me
 and tell me what/who they are.  I'll see to it that both my file, and Ben's
 FTP site gets the message.  Like I said, DMB is not on there, but I have taken
 care of that (I didn't think it would be too much of a problem, since were all
 already on it anyway).  If you are not interested in this list, I'm truely
 sorry forthe waste of 'width, but I didn't really want to type this 45 times.
 Im sure you people can deal with that.
                                                keith
                                                 koliver1@ua1vm.ua.edu


Posted By: djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us
Time/Date: 9:52 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Re: Wait Chapel

> 
> I just wanted to know who's going to be taping/treeing the wait chapel 
> show on fri and if I could get in on this...I'll be there so if anyone is 
> interested in getting together b/d/a the show...I'm not opposed
> 
> sean 
> 

I'll be one of several people taping this show, and we will be treeing
it if the tapes turn out to be worth it.  If not, I've got several other
masters I'm going to seed a tree with.

I'll be working security at this show, and probably won't have much
time to mess with my deck, and/or chat during the show, so I'm going
to have to find someone who is reasonably competent to handle my
levels and flips if possible.  I'll be at the Chapel at 5pm, and don't
have to start working until 6:30.  Maybe we can have a gathering or
something between those times, if anyone else will be there :-).

REMINDER TO ALL ATTENDING:  There will be ABSOLUTELY NO SMOKING OR
DRINKING in this show.  You will be searched on the way in, and we'll
be watching once you're in the show.  You CAN, however, come and go as
you please (there will be wristbands).  PLEASE DON'T TRY AND SMOKE IN
THE SHOW.  You will get PERMANENTLY thrown out.  This is the last
concert ever at Wait Chapel, and we don't want to repeat the
Widespread Panic fiasco ($80,000 damage to the chapel).

Thanks

-- 
Daniel J. Blanchat     | Question Authority. Question Reality. Question Me.
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | If someone tells you that you don't need another
Renegade Libertarian   | source for information, you most assuredly do.


Posted By: djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us
Time/Date: 9:57 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Re: GW!!

> and from what I hear over this net, others have been saying the same. But
> tonight Boyd stole the show.  This was probably the second best (or at least
> energetic) shows I've ever seenin my three years of Davedom. The crowd of
> course was a little unbearable at times, the Dave-come-latelies were out in
> full force and they brought their Watchtower/ants/Satellite yelling with them.

You've been coming to Dave shows for three years and this was the
first time you've seen people scream for Watchtower/ants/satellite?
You're pretty lucky.  That happens at EVERY show I've been to.

I'm actually sorta glad they've gotten big.  Their sound is well
suited to larger rooms (even if we don't get to hang out with the band
as much before and after).  Believe it or not, most bands actually
SOUND better in large places, because of the improvement in acoustics
and equipment that goes along with the larger theaters and smaller
coliseums.

Dan
-- 
Daniel J. Blanchat     | Question Authority. Question Reality. Question Me.
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | If someone tells you that you don't need another
Renegade Libertarian   | source for information, you most assuredly do.


Posted By: bseal@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 10:09 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Lex Offer Closed

I didn't realize so many would want a place to stay.  Although it would 
be fun having the entire Horse Center come back to stay at my house, I 
guess I'm out of space.  If I didn't mail you back it means I didn't have 
room. Sorry, maybe next time.  Enjoy the show.

Britt


Posted By: kburesh@mason1.gmu.edu
Time/Date: 10:17 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: GW

I know a lot of people have put out request the GW show already, but if 
anyone out there taped it or knows anyone who did, write me and maybe we 
can trade.  Thanks!  Kim


Posted By: morgan_dailey@spacemail.jhuapl.edu
Time/Date: 10:34 AM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Info request

Please send info on subscribing to the news group.
Thanks,
morgan_dailey@spacemail.jhuapl.edu


Posted By: wl1o+@andrew.cmu.edu
Time/Date: 12:28 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Calling DAT Tapers at GW!

Hey all,
    I'm in a desperate situation and I was hoping somebody could help me
out.  I taped the show at GW on DAT.  I used mikes for Root and was
phsyched to get my first soundboard patch for DMB.  After the show I
listened to the tape and there seems to have been something wrong with
my connection.  There is often a bit of scratchy static whenever the
music peaks (my levels were OK).  I know there were at least 4 DATs
there and if you were one of the I would appreciate any help you have to
offer.  BTW, Root turned out near perfect.  Take it easy, y'all.

- Bill


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            Bill Lakenan             * "C'mon this is Ohio if you don't
     Carnegie Mellon University      *  have a brewsky in your hand, you
          lakenan@CMU.EDU            *  might as well be wearing a dress"   
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Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 12:43 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: something to say...

so much to say...
but what would i say?  i forgot.




anyway, for the person who was perplexed about my post about dangerous
hours/desperate hours/help myself, yourself/oh hungry boy/in a town
of one hundred more/ the food is out the door......

you say it's been desperate hours in all your years of listening to
dave?  well, if you've been listening to dave since the beginning, that
equals about 3 and 1/2 years, which isn't very long.  anyway, he changed
the lyrics in 1993 from desperate hours to dangerous hours (i liked 
desperate hours better, and i liked the song with peter better).  i'm
not sure, but when he first premiered the song, i think he was calling
it "1-800-help myself,"  which is obviously the most cheezy of the three.
then it became desperate hours, then dangerous hours, and then it's been
flip-flopping b/w dangerous hours and help myself ever since mid-1993.

eesh.  it's late 1994....what happened to the time.....

anyway...so some of ya'll tonight.  keep an eye out for me.  don't know
what i'll be wearing, but if you know boofy, blake, clare, or catherine
hobbs, i'll be in that general vicinity.  i'd love to meet some more 
people.

ps-jeff, send me a note.  i want to ask you something and don't have your
address.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: eam4@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 12:49 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Wake show

I have an extra ticket to the Wake show on Friday night.  I'll sell it to the 
first person who e-mails me.  Good luck!
						-Eric


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 1:43 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: my next little gift to the net

I'm going to start (as of five minutes from now) a thing called 
"minarets-history".  As some of you may know, the moose.uvm.edu machine 
archives every single post to minarets.

Since today marks one year since the release of Remember Two Things, I 
was getting a little nostalgic and curious about what we said about that 
album when it came out.

My next message will contain three posts from around one year ago.

I hope you all enjoy it and let me know if there's anything in particular 
you'd like to see in this series.

I hope to have the next one ready for monday the fourteenth, or thereabouts.

-Ben

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      "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
       How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa


Posted By: Jon.D.Stahl@williams.edu
Time/Date: 1:45 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Dave and Tim

I like to briefly and shamelessly grovel for a copy of a dave solo or
dave and tim show (not necessarily last week's since it sounds like
there weren't any SBD patches...)

If anyone feels kind enough to help me out, I've got some good stuff
to trade, including a copy of 12/11/93 Williams College, featuring a
one-time only song called Route 2, written on the bus while delayed in
a snowstorm...

Please reply personally to jon.d.stahl@williams.edu

Thanks a bunch,

Jon.


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 1:47 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: minarets-history-1

also at ftp://netspace.org/pub/DMB/minarets-history/minarets-history-1

Minarets History Issue 1:
	* Rick reviews the album
	* A report on the R2T release party at TRAX
	* Reid passes on a negative review of the album
	
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1993 11:51:53 -0500 (EST)
From: "oh, what a thick and thoughtless swine i am."
<STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET>
Subject: my thoughts on the cd...

GREAT STUFF HERE....

	i picked up the cd last night at town and campus
records here in harrisonburg, and i'd have to say
that's this is a really strong debut cd, setting
themselves up for a phenomenal follow up. ant marching,
recently, satellite, christmas song and the song that
jane likes are pretty much exactly what you expect them
to be. but the rest of the songs have some interesting
quirks--the intros to tripping billies and one sweet
world were left off, and the jam sessions to minarets
and seek up weren't included.  i'd have to say that i
like the way that this is set up, because it will help
make their live shows even more powerful as they become
more well known.
	
	dave brought tim reynolds in to play some backup
guitar on i'll back you up and seek up, but as far as
i'll back you up goes, i prefer stefan's bass solo. 
and don't worry about the lack of the violin solo on
seek up, this studio version is _really_ good, probably
the highlight of the cd, and runs a full 7 1/2 minutes
as is.
	
	the best bonus of the cd is a sort of mystery bonus
track appended to christmas song.  when you get the cd,
just let the cd go.  it's a reprise of a song on the
cd, and i'll leave it at that.  anyway, i've got some
serious lyrics file editing to get done, so i'll just
let other people continue with comments on the cd...
	

rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807

it's gonna be an eternity in here...

-------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 02:42:02 -0500
From: "Charles A. Whittaker" <caw9c@dayhoff.med.virginia.edu>
Subject: Flies in the Kitchen

	WOW! I just left the DMB show a few minutes ago. It
was a great show, as usual, and I started to snooze a
little toward the end.  Then out of nowhere, they
ripped into Seek Up (my vote for the best DMB song
yet).  After they finished that set, and I was waiting
fearfully for the lights to come on, Boyd and dave came
out for Angel from montgomery.  I think it's been a
while for that one. It was great.  In spite of a lot of
shouting for Halloween they wrapped it up with
Warehouse.  All I have to say is us folks in chville
don't deserve this. Finally, I think we should all
shower ellis of lemuria with gifts, money and first
born children for running the Bayou tree.  What a
show!!!!!  If anyone missed the signup, get in touch,
and I'll spin you a copy.  Pardon the spelling/grammer,
it's been a long night.
	
	peace, goodnight and see you in worcester on NYE
		
	charlie

--------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 11:28:54 est
From: Grilled Cheese <SPICE@dickinson.edu> (Reid Spice)
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
Subject: Different review...

	Okay, I just thought I'd send this along to see what
everyone thinks.  Let me emphasize this first off: I
HAVE NOT HEARD THE ALBUM -- THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE'S
OPINION.  However, it is a friend of mine who goes to
UVa and someone who has been listening to Dave for well
over a year and going to shows and all that.  So kick
back with an open mind and read this and see if you
agree with any of the points.  Please don't scream and
yell and get offended -- it's just another viewpoint. 
I don't want to see another bitch session like after
"Rift" came out and half the Phishnet said they had
sold out. Anyway, enough intro -- here it is:

-----
	
	Well, Dave Matthews' album finally came out. He's
doomed. It's fair at best. He did, however, have a
substantial following waiting at midnight for its
release. Marcus and I went dwon to Plan 9 around 12:30
or so and the line was out the door, around the
building, and down the block. Very long wait. We said,
"He's good, but he ain't that good..." So we went back
to the house and sent some pledges to get it for us.
They didn't get back until about 3:30. Stood outside
and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine
billiards. It was great...
	
	Anyway, someone obviously told him that no one could
understand what the fuck he was saying because he
sounds like he's trying so hard to enunciate. So that
sucks. He's not a very good singer to begin with, and
when you can understand what he's saying, it's even
worse. Also, although most of the album is live (from a
show I saw, anyway, as a a matter of fact), they knew
they were being taped and took a little off it to make
sure they played the right notes and stuff. So it's
kind of a flat performance. Also too, they left out
some of the better songs to put in shit like 'Tripping
Billies', a song we all know and hate. No 'Halloween',
no 'Dead and Gone', no 'Spotlight'. I don't think
'Warehouse' is on it, either. Oh yeah, it ain't on no
Columbia, either. Some basement label like "Rag Bone
Records" or "Bona Rag" or something.
	
	I'll tape it for you, though, and fill the rest of
the tape with decent stuff he's played. Who knows,
maybe people who haven't heard good live shows will
like it. Maybe he'll make some money and hire a real
sax player and bassist. Or just get Greg Howard to
cover both of their parts. I'm sure he could do a
better job by himself than both Leroi and Stephan...
	
-----
	
	Okay, so rather scathing comments to Stephan and
Leroi but... intelligent comments?  feedback?
alternative thoughts?
	
Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU

-------------------------

Coming in Issue 2:
	* The Dave Matthews Band comes to the Northeast
	* Flame-war erupts on Minarets!


Bye for now,
Ben


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      "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
       How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 1:48 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: someone might think i was drunk...

you know those three consecutive posts from me yesterday that were full
of grammatical errors, typos, and overall just made me look drunker than
a herd of front row dave matthews fans?  well, i wasn't drunk.  i was just
in a hurry to get to sockiology.

i had something relevant to say.


honest.  but i forget things.

what's my name?  oh, there it is in my sig.file.  is that right?

rick?

hmmmmm.  i think i like sydney better.

sydney chittick.

whatever...

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 1:52 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: ok, i have something relevant now...

ben sterling:
so much to say is supposed to repeat the bridges and chorus several times.
i don't know how many times you've heard it, but it's called so much to
say for good reason.  do you have any copies of it with harmonica and
keys?  well if not, i'll grovel for you:  SOMEBODY SEND BEN STERLING
A COPY OF 11-17-92!!!!!

in fact, if everybody who has a copy of 11-17-92 sends one copy to somebody
else, i bet we'd cover quite a bit of this net.  anyone who has that show
knows that it should be the quintessential part of any dmb boot collection,
along with big league chew.

btw, how many people would agree that so much to say is about learning how
to talk?

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: jtv2j@henson.cs.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 2:20 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: varuous claims about songs

So Much to Say was played twice in one week in the end of February,
for somebody's (not my) birthday.  
And Help Myself was called Dangerous Hours at some point before it
became Desprate Hours, but Dave had some problems cramming a 3
syllable word into a 2 syllable slot, so he changed it... at some
point he decided to go back to dangerous, but if you notice, he now
crams the whole word into 2 syllables, cutting out the 'er'.
I don't know if he called it 1-800-HELP-MYSELF or what, I'm thinking
more of the stages of the song itself.



John

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|John Viega                                  "The finest day I ever had             |
|rust@virginia.edu                           was when I learned to cry on command"  |
|http://uvacs.cs.virginia.edu/~jtv2j/                                               |
|University of Virginia                                                             |
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Posted By: clf132@psu.edu
Time/Date: 2:34 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: READ THIS!!!

Hello, Ive posted this before and Im gonna keep doing it until someone can
help me. How do I unsubscribe? I know that out of all the people on the
net, at least one of you knows how  to unsubscribe. Well, where are you?
*Please* get back to me!! <clf132@psu.edu>


Posted By: driver8@phy.duke.edu
Time/Date: 3:06 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Friday's show

Jenny and I will be getting there around 7:30, as well as The Admiral Mr. 
Cory C.M. Rayborn and company - I got tix through dave and they will 
supposedly be waiting at the door...does anyone know where these tix 
might situate me in the chapel?  If you do then you'll know where to find 
me I'll probably be wearing a black SUB POP hat and a UVa track shirt 
(don't hold me to that, although the hat is almost definite) hope to see 
some of you fellow old guard DMB fans... 

  

                ----------------------------------------- 
                  "I seem to have lost my music stand"
			     - M. Stipe - 
                -----------------------------------------
			      Sean Spicer
		    Duke University, Dept. of Physics


Posted By: msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu
Time/Date: 3:28 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: personal to brendan conk's freind

hello
	apologies to those this does not concern but i got blanks from 
one Brendan Conk today and he didn't include return postage.  he said a 
freind talked to me about a rusted root show i have but i have no record 
of getting anymore blanks from people (i save all emails from people i'm 
tradeing with) so if your brendan's freind tell him to send an envelope 
with return postage to me and i'll do the tapes when i can get to them 
(it's going to be a wait).  bye all and sorry for the waster of bandwith

matt

msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu


Posted By: jdittric@fpc.com
Time/Date: 4:01 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Much 2 Say

Ok, here's how rumors get started...
I'd heard that So Much 2 Say was an individual's struggle
with homosexuality...
Complete with references - - "I say my hell is the closet and I'm
stuck inside...", but who knows???  Anyone???
I know Dave loves to assume roles in his songs...
Similarly, "Recently" can be interpreted as an individual's struggle
with an interracial relationship.  Hence, the cover of the "Recently" EP.
I guess I could be restating the obvious... is all of this common 
knowledge???

JD


Posted By: sseremet@uvm-gen.EMBA.UVM.EDU
Time/Date: 4:18 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: A Tape, Shannon Worrell, and the Newsletter (fwd)

	Was wondering if there's anybody out there?  This may not be the most 
exciting message to date, but I am wondering if anybody can help me out, 
no one responded when I posted this the first time and I was wondering if 
that was because no one saw it.
			Thanks again,
			Steve
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:14:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen J. Seremeth <sseremet@emba.uvm.edu>
To: The DMB net <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: A Tape, Shannon Worrell, and the Newsletter

	I wrote to the net a few weeks ago wondering where (or who)
could I find my first DMB tape.  DMB has spurred my interest in 
collecting live music, and I was wondering if anyone could be so kind...
	About Shannon Worrell, does anyone else think that she is Shawn 
Colvin's voice twin?  And will I be able to find her album in stores?
	Concerning the newsletter, I wrote to Bama rags several months ago 
and haven't seen a single newsletter yet.  Does it take a while to 
process?  Has there been any recent newsletters?
	Sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but I'm curious and I think DMB are 
excellent probably like the rest of you.  If you don't want to post your 
reply to the net (or if you feel it would be more wasted space), feel 
free to email me personally.
			
				Thanks a lot
				
				Steve


Posted By: jgraves@world.std.com
Time/Date: 4:32 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: exclusivity stinks (long)

Hi all.

I am a fairly recent addition to the the growing legions of Dave Matthews 
fans.  My first show was about 1 year ago in Boston, and since that time, 
his music has really become something special to me.  It resonates 
through my life, my hopes, desires, fears, etc.

What troubles me, however, is that it seems I somehow don't qualify as 
enough of a legitimate fan to be taken seriously on this discussion 
group, which I've been reading for a while without ever posting.  Some 
people on this net act like Dave's music belongs to them personally 
because they've been fans longer than anybody else or because they've 
gotten to hang and talk with members of the band.  Meanwhile, people who 
have not heard of Dave Matthews until recently, but love his music all 
the same, are relegated to the category of Dave-come-latelies...

I think this title was meant to apply to drunken\obnoxious\ignorant 
people at shows, but it still sucks.

Yes, there are people at shows who will never be quiet when you want them 
to...

Yes, a lot of people like Ants Marching (I imagine most of you did once)...

Yes, a certain intimacy has been lost as they move to larger venues...

But it is ignorant and stupid to blame this on newer fans.  I have as 
much right to be at a show as you do.  Therefore, as more people want to 
see the band, it is only logical that the size of the venue will increase.
As more people go to shows, the chances are higher that there will be 
people present with whom you would normally never get along...

I had the good fortune to see these guys in a small club\bar in Colorado 
this past year, and I can understand how unique and special the feeling of 
such shows are.  But instead of complaining about all of the new fans 
which make such shows extreme rarities these days, I suggest we 
treasure the experiences we have had and wish that everyone could know 
what it is like.

Basically what I am saying is this.  Those of you who have known about 
this band for a long time are lucky.  You've seen and experienced more of 
this band than I probably ever will.  I would hope, however, that you 
could now make room for us newer folks who (believe it or not) get as 
much enjoyment out of a show as you do, and whose enthusiasm should 
compensate for lack of experience.

I love this music, and so do you.  That's all there should be on this net.

Thanks for the bandwidth.  This is directed at no one in particular and I 
speak for myself only.  Please flame me personally if you must vent.

peace and good listening,
jerm

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\ Jeremy C. Graves    [jgraves@world.std.com]   Cambridge, Massachusetts  /
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Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 5:25 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Re: Happy happy reply reply

YOU KNOW WHO spewed:

>also, just how did an acoustic #36 sound?  that must have rocked your
>world.

It sure did.  Tim played super-funky-cool-pseudo-bass-stuff. uh huh.

>and when i did dave play the tripping billies intro?  i haven't heard
>of that happening in decades...

He played the tripping intro on the only Dave&Tim show I have, 8/25/94
(birchmere, right?).  Yup yup.  So I guess he does it solo now but not full
band.  That's a shame.

'deck the halls... it's spring again'

(well, at least for a day)

Oh, SCOTT FRAZIER, uvm.guy, get in touch if you still want to trade... i'm
fixin tuh git sum taipes (my best southern spelling. huh huh.)

Benji Man

just another memo from the cellar,

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  *           I don't want to be found"        * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
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Posted By: fostecl4@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 6:46 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: New Years Show

Does anyone know how I can get tix to the new years ball at the RIchmond 
Marriott? Or if they're sold out? I really need to find out as SOON as 
possible! I know all that it includes, and all that..I just need ticket 
information! Thanks! - everyone going, get psyched for the Wait Chapel 
show at Wake Friday night!!!!Carrie

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Carrie L. Foster         
Box 7883                      " Take time to laugh, for it's the 
Winston-Salem, N.C.27109             music of the soul...."
(910)759-1181                           
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Posted By: IBASSIN@WESLEYAN.BITNET
Time/Date: 7:37 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Irving / Tim Song

A couple of notes.... as far as the Tim song that someone referred to as
..oh fuck, I forget what that person called it.. in any case, the Tim song
from the Birchmere is called "The Hardest Bit" (Danny- did I read your handwriti
   ng
correctly on that last word? is it Bit or Part?) You Are My Sanity and Stream
are also Tim songs which he played at Wetlands and some other acoustic gigs.
 
As far as Irving Songs, I was calling from the balcony for Angel so Dave
turned to Tim and asked "Angel?" but right then a whole slew of people screamed
for #36, so you know what happened.
 
In terms of the Irving Crowd, I was really annoyed, there are just too many
people who are only interested in themselves. I think it bothered Dave too,
he came out to sing with Shannon and everytime he mumbled "Almost an Angel"
(ironic, huh?) the crowed screamed and drowned out the music, he laughed
at the crowd. When he came on with Tim he asked the crowd to maybe keep it
down to "a tenth of the bellow" that is standard for shows beacause this
was an acoustic show and should be quiet. He said he wished we all had seats
and next time he'll get seats for us all. Regardless, some guy in the front
left just wouldn't stop screaming "You go Davis! Yeah Dave! Woooo Davis!"
So dave responded, "I don't think he gets it" well, the guy was so crazed
that dave actually referred to him that he screamed louder, then Dave said,
"This guy THINKS he's gonna get laid after the show" The guy screamed louder,
so dave countered, "he wants attention, so lets all look at him and make
him feel like an idiot" It really was refreshing to have an artist address
the problems we sometimes face when trying to enjoy shows. The guy kept screamin
   gf
but dave played on. At set break, the stagehand came out and told the guy
he'd have to be quiet or leave. Well, maybe someday people will learn about
respect for others. At least the guy can go around and brag that Dave Matthews
thinks he's an asshole.
 
Later, Ian
 
ps- anyone know where I can get a Tim or TR3 CD?


Posted By: mcelvain@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 7:50 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Re: random

On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Jeffrey Andrew Heys wrote:
> 
> 1.  What two things am I supposed to remember?
 
	I figure that you should remember the two fingers in the peace sign.

			-TY


Posted By: ddevito@sodium.helios.nd.edu
Time/Date: 8:40 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: NYE ticket info?

Hey now,

could somebody who's in charge here PLEASE post some info about
the New Year's show, like, WHEN exactly tickets go on sale,
and HOW exactly someone on the net could get tickets (I seem
to remember something about a block of tix being set aside for
minaretters...)?  Also, since I'm not 21 and won't be until 
next May, should I be concerned about the possibility of not
being able to, shall we say, imbibe at this show?  I mean, if
they want us to shell out 50 bucks for tix, are they going to
care about carding at the door or at the bar, etc? I'm sure
somebody out there has some info about the policy at the
place where Dave is playing.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dominic

PS I'm STILL wondering if somebody could help me place a date
   to my first DMB show...it was at Trax in Cville in late May
   or early June of 1993.  I had never heard them before, but
   I thought it was really cool.  Unfortunately, since the management
   at what used to be Trax wouldn't let you keep your ticket stub,
   I have no way of remembering what day it was since back then DMB
   was not an integral part of my selection of musical delights.
   Once again, any help would be appreciated, and a tape would
   make me extremely grateful.  Much fun stuff to trade.


____________________________________________________________________________  
| Well I've got style,          | Dominic Jules DeVito, Necrophiliac       | 
| Miles and miles,              | University of Notre Dame, South Bend, IN | 
| So much style                 | ddevito@darwin.cc.nd.edu                 | 
| That it's wasted...           | "Wake up to find out that you are the    | 
|                     -Pavement |  EYES OF THE WORLD...."                  | 
|__________________________________________________________________________| 


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 11:08 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Tape Deck For Sale

I'm selling my Onkyo TA-R301.
single well auto reverse cassestte deck.
i have all manuals & box.
it's about 1 year old & i have a 3 year extened warranty on it (but i'm 
not sure if it's transferrable).

i haven't decided on a price, but let me know if you're interested.

gray


Silence comes with no instructions!


Posted By: rkc@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
Time/Date: 11:44 PM Wednesday, November 9, 1994
Subject: Irving Plaza

I'd like to get a copy of the Irving Plaza (11/9) show.  If anyone can 
is willing to help me out let me know. Thanks

Rob


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:44 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: bagby's buddhas. you must bow down...

well, i went through this elaborate process to write down precise times
for tonights show, but silly me, i apparently left that particular index
card sitting in a field in lexington, and i'm not driving an hour back
there to get it.  biggest problem being that the rusted root setlist 
was on that card.

oh well.

but here's what i thought, anyway...

stagnation is NOT the word.  dave band rocks.  enough said.  i still
strongly hold to my conviction, though, that they are not a band worth 
following across the country, but damn straight they're a band worth 
seeing when they come through town.

here's the setlist:
rusted root (this is just a list of the songs they did in no particular
order)
 martyr
 send me on my way
 cat turned blue
 big white bird  *
 rain            *
 laugh at the sun
 cruel sun
 drum trip-->
 ecstacy
 scattered

(*== boyd stepping in with fiddle in hand.  pretty unreal)

dave band: (9:45 on stage)
 #36 (with cool dave talk and overall a really jammin' version)
 schmuz...
 best of what's around
 more schmuz
 rhyme and reason
 say goodbye
 get in line (there's acutally a hint of composition in this song.
              ie: watch out.  this song has the potential to evolve
              into something even more amazing than it already is.
              and it is.)
jimi thing (12 minutes)
song that jane likes
lover lay down
what would you say
tripping billies (with the original intro, though no screaming)
dancing nancies (didn't catch what dave could have been.  but
                 dave did tell us what he was as the song started:
                 "scared shitless."  ie: this was one of the largest
                 crowds he's ever played for.)
warehouse
cry freedom  (oy)
recently (12 minutes.  but i think that rr should have come back out.
          they didn't)

encore:
christmas song (completely dave solo.  just him, his guitar, and a 
                spotlight.)









(are you ready for this.........)





a new song!!!!!!!!!!! (no name, though.  not surprising, seeing as it
         was written during tonights soundcheck.  even jeff bagby was
         stunned that they played it during the show.  not much for
         lyrics aside from: yes, dave can still improvise lyrics, even
         in front of 5000 people.  and it was another great fucking 
         tune, taboot.)
-->halloween.

my tapes turned out great, but as i've said before, i can't trade.  i 
have no equipment, and troubling gregg all the time to use his probably
wouldn't be a good idea.  anyway, there were 13 analog decks going and
a dat, so getting this show won't be a problem, if you really want it.

if you can't figure out what i'm talking about when i say schmuz, go
listen to either of your cd's, and when you hit 'skip,' think "schmuz."

rusted root rocked.

other highlights:
-seeing clare, boofy, blake, cathy, and meeting a shitload of people.  
-bowing down to bagby's buddha.
-zoning to the perpetual motion thing over bagby's shoulder.
-kelly.  poor, sweet kelly.  (but, alas, it just wasn't meant to be;)
-staring at the sky (with a gun in my hand, staring at the sea, staring
  at the sand) with clare and blake after the show listening to boyd
  rip apart a coupla rr tunes.

i'm not going to talk about the crowd, because i didn't go to analyze
the crowd, just hear some good music.  i didn't succeed.  i heard some
_GREAT FUCKING_ music. 
 

interesting thing to note though:  they handed out fliers at the beginning
of the show announcing new year's eve (tix on sale nov 10.  ie: tomorrow.)
AS WELL AS a special performance of the band with the richmond symphony
on february 14th.  look for those tix on dec 3.  no price on the latter,
but, as we all know, the former is 52.00 plus.  but no fret.  everything
is charging $70 for their nye bash in dc.

well, 8 o'clock approaches quickly, at which time i have an engagement,
so perhaps i best get some sleep.

thank you for riding minarets.net.  please push forward on the restraint
bar and exit to your left and WALK SLOWLY down the exit ramp.  and enjoy
the rest of your day here at kings dominion.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
but kelly...what will become      \   rick thompson
of the children?                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: fhouse@vt.edu
Time/Date: 3:01 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Lexington Show

        Well it's 2:45am, no classes tomorrow, and I'm still wired. Let me 
just start off by saying that off all the shows I've been to that crowd was 
by far the worst I've ever seen. It started off with two guys next to me 
getting in a huge fist fight and beating the shit out of each other until 
ten more poeple jumped in. The body surfing was to be expected, but at one 
point I actually saw 5 people carry another person around for 5 min. because 
there was no one else to pass her to... Dave is great music but his 
following seems to be getting worse and worse...
        It was about a 2 1/2 hour long show and the crowd was HUGE.. Dave 
said "sorry if I'm not talking as much as usual but I'm not used to this 
many people, I'm scared shitless" (or something like that)
        Personal highlights: Jimi Thing, Dancing Nancies, and Halloween all 
had incredible jams!! Also, if anyone hasn't had the chance to see Rusted 
Root they are a MUST see, they really know how to jam...
        Hope to see some of you all at the Boone and Wake shows this 
weekend... Look for  6'6" guy with a white hat floating around the soundboard!!


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu
Time/Date: 3:03 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Sweet show, how about a tree!

The Lexington show rocked!  I won't go on,  because I couldn't do it 
justice,  but they jammed and funcked it up.  I took about 10 people with me 
that had never seen dave,  but loved the CD.  They danced and went crazy and 
loved it.  I would do almost anything to get my hands on a tape of this 
show.  I know it will be a hot one,  but I would love to have as well a 
bunch of the new comers that came with me.  Like I said,  if whoever taped 
it wants to work out a tree,  or if you want to trade,  or if you need 
money,  whatever,  just drp me a not and lets get this going!  Love,  love,  
love!
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: gap3s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:39 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Help Myself

	Seeing as the recent debate over Dangerous/Desperate
Hours/Help Myself has arisen, I thought I would put in what 
I could.  My first knowledge of the song comes from the 5/26/92
show at Trax.  Dave introduces it as a new song call Help
Myself.  Obviously is has gone through changes since.  But
does anyone have a recording of it prior to this date?  If
not it would seem the that was the original title.  
	On to other events.  Good to know the Horse Center
show was good, I wanted to be there but damned classes and
exams get in the way (weak excuse, I know, nothing should take
precedence over Dave but...)  Anyway, I still am happy everyone
out there enjoyed ut and I will try not to be bitter that
I missed it.  (Obligatory grovel)  So does anyone out there
want to appease my broken heart and trade the show to me?
I have some pretty good stuff to offer in return (old, as mention
above, and new)  And while I am on te subject, I am still
searching hard for a tape of the 10/14 show in Athens.
I am willing to do anything for it!  Well, it is late and
I have the damned exam, had better do damned well on it.

Greg

P.S. Jon R. at U. Richmond -  Are you out there?  Write
me and say hi if you are.

P.P.S.  Random question, but perhaps food for thought -

What are follows the the Dave Matthews band to be called?
I have been trying to think of something but I seem
to lack the originality.  The whole (favorite band)-head thing seems
over done, let's come up with something new.  How about it?


Posted By: toolemd@duc.auburn.edu
Time/Date: 4:17 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: Help Myself

On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Gregory Alan Plog wrote:

> What are follows the the Dave Matthews band to be called?
> I have been trying to think of something but I seem
> to lack the originality.  The whole (favorite band)-head thing seems
> over done, let's come up with something new.  How about it?

How about STALKERS!?   (restraining ordrerers?)
                 Just kidding.....                       .......;)

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          Your goodness must have some edge to it,- else it is none.
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Posted By: tnb2d@server.cs.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:53 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: exact date and place of Miguel Valdez Benefit?

Hi there,
	Can anyone tell me what the date and location were of the
Miguel Valdez benefit concert?  All I know is it wasn't in
Charlottesville and it was some time in March of '93.  Dave says
something about Tim Reynolds being "from over the hill in
Charlottesville" so I'm guessing Richmond or Harisonburg or something
like that.  BS&M(sp?) and TR3 also played at this show.  Thanks,


		"Cheating on a quiz show?  That's like plagiarizing a
		 comic strip!"			--- Mark Van Doren


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 10:19 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: your nye should be no different than anyone else's

it's funny.  at last year's nye show, i ran into a freind of mine shortly
before 1 a.m. who lived across from me freshman year.  i was 20 last nye,
making him 19. he was so tipsy that he nearly knocked over 7 tape decks
in the middle of the second set. 

what i'm wondering is how much he must have consumed before the show to
still be that drunk at 1 a.m.




:)
hakuna matada.........any self respecting drunk would spend 53.00 to
not see dave on nye.  so what the hell...

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: ShanHop@aol.com
Time/Date: 10:39 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Lexington!

As was already stated, the Lexington show was INCREDIBLE!  Thing is, I can no
longer live a happy and fulfilled life without a tape of it.  If anyone could
help me out, drop me a line.  I'll trade, send money, send tapes and postage,
promise my first born child, whatever is necessary.  (sorry for the
grovelling, just couldn't help myself)

Anyone know how to get a copy of either of Rusted Root's CDs?

-Shan


Posted By: kburesh@mason1.gmu.edu
Time/Date: 10:40 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Tapes

First off I'll make an offer: I'll make a copy of the 11.17.92 show for the 
first few people who reply.  (I'll take blanks or trades.)

Second, I'm wondering if anyone out there has a tape with Kristin Asbury 
singing Angel From Montgomery.  I've heard her sing at lots of Dave shows 
over the years, but there was one show in particular during the summer of 
1992 (around the time when Boyd got married) when they had a lot of guest 
musicians all at one show.  If anyone has any idea what show I'm talking 
about--it was a pretty memorable one if you were there--please write me 
back.  Thanks! -Kim


Posted By: mcelvain@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 10:44 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Tree for 11/9/94?

Anyone setting up a tree for the 11/9/94 show?


Posted By: mcelvain@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 10:46 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: Help Myself

How about Jammies instead of DMBheads.


Posted By: JAROUNDS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:38 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: lexington

well, the show had it's fair share of asshole/obnoxious/ignorant dave
come-latelies, i have bruises to prove.  i first want to apologize for
blocking anybody's view for the first half of the show as i stood up
on the railing in the front.  the thing is, we have these things called
lungs and when a big metal bar is pushing against them, they don't work
so good, so that was the only foreseeable way i could get them to properly
function.
the show kicked ass!  some great instrumentals especially since the
groopies couldn't sing to them.  speaking of groupies (i guess i better
watch what i say here though), carter's new (?) girlfriend was in front
of me with the security people.  this petite, cute little blonde who
couldn't be a day over 19.  she was noreen/doreen/whoever dave dedicated
cry freedom to.  i hope for the band's sake she's not a groupie, and that
she really likes carter for who he is, but you never know.
i met some great jmu goers too, and some were new to dave and weren't the
typical come-latelies :)  harrisonburg is know as the 'friendliest city'
so maybe that's it.
sorry for such a long and somewhat pointless post. 
:) jaime


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu
Time/Date: 11:54 AM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Boyd got married?

When,  what,  where,  how,  and to whom did Boyd get married?  I never knew 
about that.  I started going to see Dave at the Floodzone all the time near 
mid to late 1992 and I never knew?  Please inform me and maybe the rest of 
the DMB fans.
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
Time/Date: 12:25 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Toogies.

hey all. Dave came out riding a horse last nite. nuff'said.

had a blast dancin' near all the hardcore minaretters.  good to see
you in reality, finally, even though i knew ya'll already, but the names
now have a face.  cool.....see you new years unless your in Richmond
and need a place to crash....

don't remember "blood of the children" at all, but around that time
i was sitting way in back smoking a cig and contemplating the
existence of us all. so. i think thats what that song is for anyway.
most people use that song to go get a beer if ya' know what i mean.

CRY FREEDOM CRY.

the horsey show was great but i feel some void. i feel like we went
on an incredible journey through time and space and i got left behind
on the moon. i'm running out of air!!! i want something to fucking
happen.<<>>only my driving and dancing partner last nite would
understand this post. life is purple and wavy. PEACE.


                    thick confusion and nappy hair,

                              CHA  * *
                                    ^
                                    o



******************************************************************
as a post post. bagby is crazy. he shared an amsterdam treat...how
it got here is bagby's karma...he rules.

as another side note. blake and clare. Em arrived home safer then
when we left. i drive well...maybe ignore the lines sometimes...but
i used to take a coloring book and flip over to the backs of the
pages and create a drawing..."...don't throw away your playful
beginnings..."    lates.


Posted By: hls5c@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 12:27 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: lexington

incredible. absolutely incredible. show was a little slow starting off but
once they started jamming there was no stopping them.  i also didn't
recognize 2 of the first songs --- anybody know what they were? (songs 1 and
3 i think, but don't quote me). too bad the audience wouldn't shut up during
lover lay down. if anyone taped this PLEASE trade with me. halloween made me
cry.


eat drink and be merry,
heather




               
 smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile
   
  "Gone are the days we stopped to decide where we should go, now we
      just ride." ---- Grateful Dead


Posted By: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
Time/Date: 12:34 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: WOW.

    To my knowledge DAMABA hasn't ever opened a show with #36.

    what a special treat......i call that song "Dance for Peace"

                          
                            this dog is having its day,

                                    CHA * *
                                         ^
                                         -


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 1:29 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Yes, another post on the lexington show..

for davenet - check out rr if you can..  I've seen them 3 times now, and they
really put on an incredible show.  About 1/4 of the way into Ecstasy, I saw
an odd object spinning through the air over the stage..  Then I noticed one
of the drummers was reaching to grab another drumstick...  he'd broken the
thing right in half.

as mentioned before, both bands sets were sick..  when boyd sat in with rr,
I was close enough to see the expressions on the faces of the rr members..
they all had that expression of awe that seems to be common when you're
around a daveband member..  they looked like they were thinking, 'damn, we
NEED one of these.."

I didn't wander back to the soundboard until about halfway into dave's set,
but did rr not allow soundboard patches?

ObIDidn'tTapeAndAmNowGrovelling: no need to explain.  I'd give my right arm,
but I use that to write, so maybe my left arm instead?  'course, if you don't
want any arms, I'd be glad to trade or something..

it was very nice to meet and re-meet some people, & looking forward to seeing
some of you at wfu.. :)

take care,
brett

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Brett Kingswell                                           bmking@mail.wm.edu
If only God would give me some clear sign!  Like making a large deposit
in my name at a Swiss bank.           - Woody Allen, "Without Feathers"


Posted By: l_leclai@hamlet.uncg.edu
Time/Date: 1:34 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: how to get NYE tix??

Hey there y'all!

     This may be too late, since I just read that they went on sale
today, but does anyone have info on how to get NYE tix??  I don't 
remember seeing a post on it.

See y'all at Wait Chapel tomorrow!

-Dash


Posted By: AMZENDEL@unca.edu
Time/Date: 2:06 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: To all those who will be at the Wake Show

Looking foward to getting to actually meeting some of you in person tomorrow
night. I stop by the soundboard to check out who all is there. I'll be wearing
a Timberland hat (blue with cream-colored bill.) Not sure exactly where my
seats are (I phone ordered the tix, but I memember the lady on the phone said
something about front-center, so they should be pretty desecnt.) But form What
I heard about the Widespread show at Wait, the reserved seating quickly turned
into gen-admission.  We'll see what happens.

Unless (for some god-forbidden reason) the show sucks (which I don't think is
really spossible), I will definately want a tape of the show.  So to whoever is
taping, I'll trade.  I have the 10.26.93 show at Trax-UVa that is really nice
and you must have it.  There are five dave solos at the beginning and Halloween 
rocks for about 15min.  A must have.  Will be willing to trade withanyone who
gets copy of the Wake show.  Will stop by the soundboard to work something out.

I'm meeting (tentatively) my friends (who arenot on minarets) outside around
6:30 and there was apost on here that other netters will be outside Wait around
7:30.

Hope to meet you all there!
TOMORROW NIGHT BABY!

alex


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 2:10 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: No beers, just the Buddha pleeze.....

Ahhh Rick and I will only understand the subject title....

I won't write a full review, seeing as that there were a ton, but a few 
comments. 

Following my own advice, I had a great time, plenty of room to dance with 
all my close buds and a great view from behind the soundboard. No 
bruises, my lungs were fine (except for my cigarette smoking). 

Taping section: read'em yes 15 tape decks. Amazingly taping ettiquite 
went quite well. With Bagby's generosity and my Y-jacks, the signal was 
split 3 ways and all tapes should come out well, (except for those few 
irresposible on the end) Rick saved the day with a power strip. THANX :-)

Words of advice:
don't wear shoes when possible
Spoon whenever possible
Buy some y-jacks......
Take good notice of the items placed on top of the sound equipment..
Listen to more Root...
Road trip....
Avoid the clap....

anyway.....
latr.....

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Posted By: JAROUNDS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:36 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: more on lex.

whoever was keeping score: satellite 7 granny 0 :(
also, 'could i have been your little sister?'
:) jaime


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 2:49 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: random

On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Jeffrey Andrew Heys wrote:

> Also, a couple of random questions:
> 
> 1.  What two things am I supposed to remember?

i think this has been covered before..but...1. Love your Mother 2. Leave 
nothing but footprints.

> 
> 2.  What's the story on Peter Greisler?  Was he a full time member of DMB?
>       When and why did he leave?  Did he only play keyboard?  What's he 

I think this is in the FAQ (or should be...)

Peter was a full time member until spring of 93 (March 23rd was his last 
show...) I think that's still winter..umm...  He played Keyboard, 
Harmonica, spoons (once or twice it think...) and I saw him play his face 
and bald head once.  He left the band and moved to Tibet, where he's 
studying ancient texts in search of the one true revealation.


peace and be safe y'all...
Blake


Posted By: dwp7a@watt.seas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:06 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: what happened to DMB

I attended the DMB show last night in Lexington.  I have two
good things to say, Halloween rocked and Rusted Root is an
incredible band.  
The crowd last night was by far the worst crowd I have ever
seen at a show. I saw two fist fights (not arguments).  In the
parking lot some assholes were throwing ice at this car and for
about twenty minutes these assholes just yelled at people in
there cars trying to start fights.  There were dumbasses
walking around yelling 'the nitrous is over here' and 'where
did my bong go'.  There was room to move in the crowd by the
stage so I moved to the stands to dance and so I could enjoy
the music.  Worst of all, people started clapping during the
slow part of an acoustic version Dave played in the encore of
Christmas Song.  Oh, everywhere I turned people were making
out, I hate PDA (public displays of affection) and not trying
in the least to be discrete about it.  It made me sick.  I
think Dave didn't say much because the crowd was so shitty.
Oh, what the fuck is up with this crowd surfing crap.  Go see
Rancid or Avail if you want to crowd surf not dave matthews.
HIs music is about love and drugs not beating the shit out of
people.  How did he get such a shitty following when he plays
such wonderful music.  

I very frustrated fan

Back to the Earth,
Dennis "The Maestro" Pike

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Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 4:04 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: ok, i have something relevant now...

the man who sends me mail for no apparent reason, rick, says:

>so much to say is supposed to repeat the bridges and chorus several times.
>i don't know how many times you've heard it, but it's called so much to
>say for good reason.  do you have any copies of it with harmonica and
>keys?  well if not, i'll grovel for you:  SOMEBODY SEND BEN STERLING
>A COPY OF 11-17-92!!!!!

a) the point is that he NEVER PLAYED THE CHORUS at irving plaza.  the only
other so much to say i have is 11/25/92 (i love ben tanen).

b) i have 11/17/92, but the fuck who i traded with screwed up the second set,
and it's the dead or something.  i dunno what live dead tapes sound like so
maybe it's not the dead, but it sure sounds like there are a fuck-load of
people screaming at the band.  oh, and i don't really like this mystery tape,
so it probably IS the dead (rick, you share this opinion right?).

HUMPH.

Bernie

just another memo from the cellar,

    ************************************************************************
   *        "you can't see what                 * --   Ben Sterling  --   *
  *              I can hide."                  * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
 *               -Dave Matthews               *  --   New York, NY  --  *
************************************************************************


Posted By: BLBLALOC@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 4:12 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: miss green jean.

a friend of mine is looking for two tickets to the wake show--just email me any
information.  
dave got kinda big kinda fast, no?
kinda expected tho.

last night's show was alright i guess.  it was nice to see some familiar faces
again.  and i'm not sure if this has already been done or if it was just a
dream, but i think clare should be elected honorary den mother. :)
and cry freedom, which was not even on the setlist(?)
rocked rocky ricky? roll butter & jam -

brian.
   ----------
"a dog is conscious, and dreaming, engaged in continual spiritual experiences as
  we speak ..   "


Posted By: mverspoo@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 5:03 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: lexington

In regard to an earlier post in which Carter's girlfriend Doreen was 
mentioned...  (Although it's not really any of our business)....
Doreen IS in college at Hollins, her and Carter have been dating for over 
a year now, and she is REALLY nice and likes him for who he is not what 
he is.  Enough said....don't give her a hard time.
       Mariecken


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:SREILI31@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Time/Date: 5:04 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: show id

Are tapes of the 11/9/94 show circulating yet? I'd _really_ like a copy
of this one...

Steve


Posted By: s262612@gettysburg.edu
Time/Date: 5:08 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: boone

does anybody have 3 extras for boone?

please call (717)337-7534 

ask for sully or murph
 -thanks


Posted By: RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 5:10 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: ob remarks........

hey ...... yes another review of the lex show......

i was surprised to hear Cry Freedom after clare told me it wasn't on the set
list... :)

other notes....... jimi thing  was kinda long and a kinda different dave solo
but less inspired.... it seems to me the band needs a break.... dave's voice
sounded shot to me last night.... he stilled pulled it off as i knew he would
but he sounded deeper and kinda horse (ahh.. the puns i think of) anyways i got
really excited when the intro to halloween started cause it sounded to me and
maybe some others that he was beginning to play Drive In, Drive out....
anyway,..... overall good strong cd sound they had.... good thing i didn't
listen to mine the week before......  ahhhhh but it is dave and cry freedom
rocked and i loved the look on some people's faces when he opened with #36....
you know that what the fuck is this kinda look.....hehehheheheheheh

anyway...... sorry i didn't meet too many new people ......

thanks
rich

ps --- clare....you really thought i was bigger? :)

"i refuse to be part of such a shallow death - i'll do anything to leave here -
 my mind is running down the river - i'd sell my soul to the elephant .. i'd
 cheat on the sphinx .. i'd lie to the conqueror .. please don't send me
 anymore grandfather clocks .. no more books or care packages .. if you're
 going to send me something, send me a key - i shall find the door to where it
 fits, if it takes me the rest of my life."
                                -bob dylan

e-mail: in%"rpprisin@vax1.acs.jmu.edu" phone #: (703)568-7253


Posted By: djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us
Time/Date: 5:14 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Extra Ticket to Wake show

I have an etra ticket to the show tomorrow at Wake forest.

I'll sell it for face ($15).

Dan
-- 
Daniel J. Blanchat     | Question Authority. Question Reality. Question Me.
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | If someone tells you that you don't need another
Renegade Libertarian   | source for information, you most assuredly do.


Posted By: msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu
Time/Date: 5:19 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: dire need is weird

hello all
  got some disturbing news yesterday.  I'm not on the DMB newsletter 
mailing list and i ran into a freind on irc yesterday who said that the 
new newsletter says dave will be in DC on dec. 30th.  my problem is God 
street wine is playing the bayou that night or so says budke over at 
finewine.  so is dave playing DC?  any ideas on a venue?  the only one's 
i can think of would be the blackcat, 930, or on a campus.  if this is 
true then i got to worry about who i go to see.  if he's playing the 930 
well then my mind is made up i'm going to GSW (nothing against dave but 
since the opening of the black cat i HATE the 930 and will only go there 
for incrediable concerts [like before the next rollins band tour to catch 
henry do his 930 gig]) but if he's somewhere else then what do i do?  hmm 
well before i get worked up lets see if i can get a conformation.  does 
the newsletter say this and is it a deffinet or does dave want to play DC 
that night but doesn't have a venue yet please tell me cya around.

matt

ps last january my older brother saw dave for the first time at the 
bayou in DC.  his birthday was about a month ago and i still have yet to 
give him something.  anyone have this tape so i can make him really 
happy.  i got some dave and other things and once i can get the blanks i 
should be getting phish halloween (2nd generation at worst) any thing 
people can help me with.  if i can't get this show then i'm just going to 
give him one of my shows that i have now but i think it would be cool if 
i could give this to him for his birthday or christmas.  also does anyone 
have any jimmy buffet boots?  that way i could get gifts for my older and 
younger brother in one trade :)  see ya all around and all that jazz


Posted By: allgood@umich.edu
Time/Date: 5:41 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: Much 2 Say

On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Jeff Dittrich wrote:

> Ok, here's how rumors get started...
> I'd heard that So Much 2 Say was an individual's struggle
> with homosexuality...
> Complete with references - - "I say my hell is the closet and I'm
> stuck inside...", but who knows???  Anyone???
> I know Dave loves to assume roles in his songs...
> Similarly, "Recently" can be interpreted as an individual's struggle
> with an interracial relationship.  Hence, the cover of the "Recently" EP.
> I guess I could be restating the obvious... is all of this common 
> knowledge???
> 
> JD
> 
I would just like to tell you that I disagree about your interpretation 
about what recently is about.  In fact, it's about a man's relationship 
with a hooker.  When I was in Nantucket this summer he said right before 
the song that, "this one is for the hookers."  I could be wrong, but 
after listening to your interpretation, now think about mine.  Just a 
thought.  Check it out.
		Saying Goodbye,
			Kyle


Posted By: msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu
Time/Date: 6:00 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: Much 2 Say

About the Recently interpretations.  Since he doesn't really go into 
exactly why people stare i take the song to mean any relationships that 
society does not condone and think is wrong.  both of the interpretaions 
brought up so far fit this.  so what do you think just my 2 cents.  cya

matt


Posted By: 50OGLESBY@CUA.EDU
Time/Date: 6:17 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: D.C. DMB-heads

Hey Now!
I know that there are a few of you out there. I saw you jonesin' for a
ticket with your fingers in the air (it's the Dead scene all over again).
Any{ay, to thepoint of this post: Does anyone want to trade tapes in 
person? I have mucho Dead and Phish, and would like to get my hands on
some crispy DMB soundboards. I'm getting the sbds of the Lisner show
next week. Help would be appreciated.

		Jonathan (who has no relevent Dave quote to write)


Posted By: Hatton.Haralson@Rollins.Edu
Time/Date: 6:27 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: THE REAL TRANS. TO "SATELLITE"

no offense to whoever transcribed "satellite" in the
guitar file, but it's all wrong.  here's how dave really
plays it...

------------------------
------------------------
------------------------
---8---6---5---3--6-----
--6---4---3---1--4-3---- 
-4----------------------

it takes a few times to get used to it but it is really easy.
the advantage about playing it this way is that when the riff
is over, you are back in the 4th position so you can repeat it
smoothly...

enjoy,

hatton haralson


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 6:59 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: The smurfs are back (summer netter joke..)

This goes out to Clare especially.....

Most of you summer folks will understand why this is here...
Anyone elso migth thinnk its funny also..


Gay bees fly everywhere!!!!

P.S. sorry about the mucho forwarding arrows..


>> > > >                                  SMURFS > > > > > > > > It's time
>to tell the truth about Smurfs.  You see, Smurfs are a > > > > lot like
>other folks; they have dreams and ambitions, deep, thoughtful > > > >
>conversations with each other, and good and bad times. > > > > "But,"
>people ask, "do Smurfs have..... you know,......*sex*?" The > > > >
answer >is an emphatic and resounding YES! > > > > And why shouldn't they? 
> > > >> They're people, too.  What *most* people don't know is why Smurfs
are > >> > > blue.  Well, the reason is because Smurfs only have sex once
a year. >> > > > Face it: if you had sex only once a year, you'd be blue,
too. > > >> > Once a year, in the Smurf village, flags and banners fly
happily in > >> > > the breeze, proclaiming that the day of the annual
Smuckfest has >arrived.  > > > > Birds sing and the Sun comes out to
watch, despite the >weatherSmurf's > > > > direst predictions.  I guess
good ol' Mr. Sun is a >voyeur. > > > > In the middle of town, Papa Smurf
gives a brief speech >explaining the > > > > origin of the Smuckfest; how
Dr. C.Everett Koop >came to the village and warned > > > > all the Smurfs
about AIDS.  Papa >Smurf knew that no one made condoms small > > > >
enough for a Smurf (even >though everyone knows that all male Smurfs > > >
> are uniformly >well-hung, for their size), so he decreed that all Smurfs
would > > > > >only smuck one day a year.  "Smucking one day a year will
help us identify >any > > > > diseases we may transmit to one another, and
keep them from >spreading to > > > > the animals in the forest," declared
Papa Smurf. >"Besides, it will give > > > > Smurfette a chance to rest." >
> > > Yes! >Smurfette must rest.  For, as everyone knows, Smurfette is the
> > > > >only female Smurf in the village, and after a full day of having
vigorous, >> > > > rabid sex with two hundred cunt-crazed little blue men,
she needs >a break. > > > > So, on the appointed day, Papa Smurf bids
everyone throw >their > > > > inhibitions to the wind and immerse
themselves in >debauchery. And, as is his > > > > privilege, Papa Smurf
throws out the >first throe.  At his signal, Smurfette > > > > unties the
skintight blue >band she must use to suppress her natural > > > >
bustiness, and her >astounding tits spring forth into the daylight.  The
Sun > > > > gleams >lecherously on the smooth, blue flesh, nipples
crinkling in the > > > > >light of day from her soon-to-be-unbridled lust. 
> > > > Then Smurfette >shimmies out of her skirt and stands before the
crowd, > > > > naked as >the day she was born, save the spike-heeled white
boots she has donned > > >> > just for the occasion.  Her long, blonde
hair cascades down her back >and > > > > lasciviously outlines her
buttocks, clinging like a dirty old >man's gaze to > > > > each curve and
dimple.  Her cunt winks lewdly from >behind the golden shield > > > > of
pubic glory, already glistening in mad >anticipation of each and every > >
> > raging rod it would receive that >day.  And receive them gladly it
would, for > > > > hers is the >indefatigable furburger, and she hungered
for the sauce blended > > > > in >the heat of passion. Smurfette turns to
Papa Smurf and lifts her > > > > >stupendous breasts with their turgid
nipples to his lips.  He takes each > >> > > one, in turn, into his mouth,
where his tongue dances the Fabulous >Fandango > > > > around the areolae,
as Smurfette moans like a cat in >heat.  > > > > Then, when poor Smurfette
can take no more, Papa Smurf >drops to his > > > > bony little knees and
sprinkles his magic >deSmurfilating dust on Smurfette's > > > > engorged
cunt lips.  > > > > >Presto!  The lovely blonde braiding material falls
from her, > > > > >leaving her shaved smooth as a hard-boiled egg. > > > >
"Oh, Papa Smurf!" >she cries.  "Encore!!  Encore!!", as she > > > >
writhes in anticipation >of the Fabulous Furless Fandango danced 'round
her > > > > pulsating >pussy. > > > > Papa Smurf does not disappoint the
damsel in distress;  he >slides his > > > > hands under her tight little
blue ass and parts her >moistness with his thumbs. > > > > As the hot,
funky juices begin to run >down his arms, he plunges tongue-first > > > >
and tonsil-deep into her >wiggling womanhood.  Smurfette gasps as the > >
> > talented tongue begins >to do its magic, and her cunt clutches at it
like a > > > > baby bird >after a worm.  > > > > Cradling his head to her
crotch, Smurfette's hips >begin to slowly grind > > > > and twitch, for
Papa Smurf's tongue has >unerringly found her S-spot, and > > > >
Smurfette begins the slow, hot, >agonizing rise to ecstasy.  "Oh, make me
smurf, > > > > baby, make me >smurf!", she pants, each stroke of his
tongue causing her to > > > > throb >and clutch.  As Smurfette's moans and
cries rise in pitch higher and > > > >> higher, the crowd gazes in
amazement at the mighty mound of meat >struggling to > > > > escape from
Papa Smurf's pants.  This, then, is the >legendary Trouser Titan, > > > >
bulging forth in a determined attempt to >split the barrier. > > > > Just
when Smurfette is certain that she will >die from sheer sensory > > > >
overload, Papa Smurf flings off his Levis >and frees the Magnificent > > >
> Heat-Seeking Moisture Missle from its >cradle.  Maddened with blind
lust, > > > > Smurfette hurls Papa Smurf to >the platform and leaps
shrieking into the air, > > > > landing unerringly >on his Titanic Totem.
> > > > Suddenly filled, Smurfette's cunt explodes >in a monster orgasm,
the > > > > force of which propels her screaming into >the air again and
again, each time > > > > plummeting her onto the Potent >Purple Pecker and
triggering another climax. > > > > Before Smurfette can >achieve orbit,
Papa Smurf grab her legs and pulls her to > > > > the >ground.  Swiftly,
he stands, pulling her to her knees.  Gasping in awe, > >> > > Smurfette
gets a head-on view of his hard-on, glistening in the >light like a > > >
> war staff.  The sight of this shining stud is too >much for Smurfette,
who > > > > immediately grabs both of Papa smurf's >bulging balls in her
hands and pulls him > > > > to her waiting mouth. >With preternatural
skill and primeval hunger, > > > > Smurfette devours >the monster cock,
licking and sucking like a starving child > > > > with >an ice cream cone. 
His ass knotting like a sailor's anchor rope, Papa > > >> > Smurf pounds
into Smurfette's mouth with furious strokes.  As he >reaches > > > > his
blazing climax, he forces Smurfette to take all >thirteen and 7/8ths
inches > > > > of blue tube steak and fires round >after pulsing round of
blue goo down her > > > > ravenous throat.  > > > > >"Hurray!!", shouts
the crowd.  "Now it's OUR turn!!"  Suddenly the town > >> > > square
erupts with scenes of azure carnality, as 200 tiny blue asses >appear in >
> > > the sunlight.  200 raging cocks swarm toward Smurfette's >waiting
and > > > > ever-willing cunt, ready to make her scream for mercy >as they
scream for more. > > > > 400 bouncing balls follow each other >toward the
nearest available orifice, > > > > making Smurfette wish there >were more
of her.  > > > > Those lucky enough to find access to >Smurfette's
fabulous form begin > > > > their crazed humping, as others >find their
schlongs being stroked as fast as > > > > she can grab.  Those >whose time
will come later are coming now, as their > > > > friends clutch >lustily
at their forbidden fruits, flinging frothy fuck-foam far > > > > >and
wide.  Up the ass!  Down the throat!  Backhand, forehand, underhand, >in >
> > > the armpit or behind the knee, the Smurfs erupt in a display of
>orgasmic > > > > prowess to shame the most devoted student of the Kama
>Sutra.  Soon the street > > > > become hazardous to navigate (and
navigate >one must), as the square gets deeper > > > > and deeper in the
collective >come. > > > > Hour after hour, the orgy rampages on. 
Gradually, as night >falls, the > > > > screams of orgasmic ecstasy turn
to the moans and sighs >of deep contentment, > > > > with the occasional
whimper from an >over-enthusiastic sodomite.  Soon all is > > > > quiet,
as Smurf helps >Smurf back to Home and Preparation H.  Tubes of Chap-Stick
> > > > are >quickly distributed to soothe aching lips, and aloe gel is
applied (as are >> > > > lips, if it is too stimulating) to the citizen's
members to ease >the burning.  > > > > As the exhausted (and completely
sated) Smurfs lie >in sexual stupor, > > > > gentle rains come (not them,
too!) to wash away >all traces of the fleshfest > > > > that was.  And you
wondered why Smurfs >are always in such a good mood......


Posted By: tmr3c@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 7:01 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: TOO MANY JERKS!!

Well, let me start by saying DMB is still the best band around.
But the fans are getting far too obnoxious (sp.?).  I was crushed
numerous times, and once I got to safety, the aromas of pot,
incense and cigarette smoke mixed to create a scent that could
only produce a headache.  The show itself was one of the best I
have seen.  HALLOWEEN KICKED ASS!!!!!!!!!  I don't know where so
many assholes can live.  Anyway, didn't mean to bring anyone
down.  I suppose y'all know this already.

I also have a question.  Can this display of immaturity be
expected at the NYE show in Richmond?  I just bought my tickets,
and my best friend and I have finally convinced our boyfriends to
go.  I would really like them to get a good impression.  Not one
that the fans are all jerks.  Just let me know, please.  How many
people?  What kind of people good fans or jerks?  Thanks.
Tonya


Posted By: Daniel.S.Gans@dartvax.dartmouth.edu
Time/Date: 8:02 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: recently meaning

Dave said in an interview with "Unbroken Chain" that "Recently" is simply
about a relationship he once had with a very affectionate girl...She enjoyed
P.D.A...However, he did acknowledge the interpretation that it was about an
interracial couple...
	This summer at the birchmere, he gave a great intro to it, saying
that there were many iterpretations of it, but his favorite was the one about
it being about a "weird  couple like a guy and a guy...not that that is
weird, well some people might think so..."  he was really squirming after
that comment.  Then he explained that there were "two kinds of love:  the
kind where you give and the kind where you take...This was one of those good
taking loves..."  It was really funny, and he was babbling for a couple of
minutes (kind of like i'm doing here)
sorry for the long post, but hopefully this will clear up the discussion...


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 8:23 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: THE REAL TRANS. TO "SATELLITE"

hatton haralson <Hatton.Haralson@Rollins.Edu> determines that:

>no offense to whoever transcribed "satellite" in the
>guitar file, but it's all wrong.  here's how dave really
>plays it...
>
>------------------------
>------------------------
>------------------------
>---8---6---5---3--6-----
>--6---4---3---1--4-3---- 
>-4----------------------

Well, I didn't transcribe it, Shawn did, but both are wrong.  I'd venture
that Shawn's is a bit closer than yours.  Dave does NOT (at least whenever
I've seen him, and ya know hardly a show goes by he DOESN'T play schmutz #1)
go out of position to play this.  That would make it quite difficult to sing
at the same time.

I was watching dave play it at the irving plaza show (lord knows it keeps me
busy during schmutzy tunes. haw haw.), and I tried to make a note to remember
how he played it.  Well, I didn't!  So there!!

Have a smurfy evening.  Especially Boofy because he's the master of... um...
errr..... forwarding arrows.


'Bart, stop asking stupid questions.  So, is there any frontal nudity?!?!'

-Homer Simpson


just another memo from the cellar,

    ************************************************************************
   *        "you can't see what                 * --   Ben Sterling  --   *
  *              I can hide."                  * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
 *               -Dave Matthews               *  --   New York, NY  --  *
************************************************************************


Posted By: TPUSATERI@tlc-486.clemson.edu
Time/Date: 8:23 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 345

Once agian,
    Can someone tell me how to get into the FAQ and to also see the
pictures Ive read about on the net??
    I'd really, really appreciate this if someone could help me!!

                Thanx,
                    TROY


P.S.-- Hey Russ, Nate, Yogi......Drop me a line!!!


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 8:51 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: More Satellite

After thinking for a second (damn that's hard to do), I came up with a
'closer' transcription of the Satellite intro.  The only reason I've never
done this or the rest of the song before is that, well, I don't really WANT
to.  I don't LIKE Satellite, therefor don't have much of an urge to
transcribe it.  But here's an approximation of the first bit at least...

e-----------------------------
B-----------------------------
G-----------------------------
D------8---6---5---3---6------
A----6---4---3-------4---3----
E--4-------------6------------

(or...)

e-----------------------------
B-----------------------------
G-----------------------------
D------8---6---5---3---6------
A----6---4-----------4---3----
E--4---------8----6-----------


la la la la la la, la la la la la...


Ben

(for variety)

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
*         "I do not know what I think          * --   Ben Sterling  --   *
*      until I read what I have written"       * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*              -Flannery O'Conner              *  --   New York, NY  --  *
**************************************************************************


Posted By: @mail.trincoll.edu:sean.berry@mail.trincoll.edu
Time/Date: 9:07 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Kudos to Ben Tanen

Kudos to Ben Tanen for giving us old netters a flashback. A flashback to
when there were about as many people on  the net as I could fit in my dorm
room. A flashback to when messages were interesting and you recognized
their name. When there were never subscribe me messages coming in our
mailboxes, because there was no one subscribing. Keep up the good work
Ben!It gives me something to read.
Sean Berry


Posted By: jcdavis@wam.umd.edu
Time/Date: 9:16 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: NYE Nix..

Can't anyone give me any info about the NYE show?
Namely...Is there an age limit? Am I going to need an I.D.?
Does anyone have the number for the Richmond Marriott?
And what was this about tix being set aside for minaretters? Bunch a Hooey right?


Posted By: jcdavis@wam.umd.edu
Time/Date: 9:18 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: THE REAL TRANS. TO "SATELLITE"

Ok...here is the way I play satellite...No position change...same notes 
as yours yet different fingering....

----------------------------
----------------------------
----------------------------
----8-6-----6---------------
---6-4--5-84-3--------------
--4----8-6------------------

and there ya go...I think this is pretty much authentic Dave stuff here..


Posted By: KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu
Time/Date: 9:26 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Dave-come-latelies

I feel that I should clerify myself about something that I wrote a couple of
days. This is going to Jeremy Graves and anybody else who may have taken my
last post the wrong way. When I made the comment about "Dave-come-latelies" I
was speaking of those who go to shows strictly to see that "one song man".
These are the ones who sit through the entire show and talk and drink w/o
paying attention until Ants or Watchtower begins then they go wild like it's
the best thing in the world. Yes at one time I did like these songs, and in
fact I still do. But I love hearing a new song, and as somebody said earlier on
the net, I love not knowing the words to a new song. It keeps the shows fresh.
I didn't mean to insult anybody that is truelly into Dave and his music.
Personally, I love seeing new fans on the net asking for tapes, it shows that
their interest goes beyond just the CD's. These people Have my respect: I
wasn't the first Dave fan, once I was a newbie like everyone else.  I do not
mean to insult those who are new to the band, my problem lies with those who
don't take the band seriously, who's interest doesn't go beyond the CD's. These
are my Dave-come-latelies. To anyone who was offended, I apologize.

TJ-Thanks for taping the show, I'll keep my eye on the mail.
Jeff-Dave did the "Take me to the river" piece, "they were kickin'!"

							Kev :-Q

"Yea! Hell yea! That's what I'm talkin' about!"
						-Dave

As always, for your convenience smoking IS allowed in my message


Posted By: TOSTENG@tiger.hsc.edu
Time/Date: 9:55 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: portland show last year

Hey there all,
If anyone has a copy of the show in Portland ME last year with the Samples I
would love to talk of a trade.  I have some vintage dave that i am sure any fan
would love to have.  If you have this show please get in touch.
thanks
glenn
tosteng@tiger.hsc.edu

"Eat drink and be merry"  I know i sure as hell do!!!!


Posted By: eja1@Lehigh.EDU
Time/Date: 9:57 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Bela Fleck

Hey, Hey...
      To all in the Allentown, Bethlehem area.  Bela Fleck and the wonderful
Flecktones are playing at Brougal Middle School Sat. Nov. 12.  It is
bound to be a good show; if interested call (610)758-4160.
      Ro, I will be there!!!
                                                  EriK A.


Posted By: jtv2j@henson.cs.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 10:07 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: NYE

I thought tickets didn't go on sale till the 14th?
Anyway, last year there was only an age limit on drinking.
It's the same thing this year.

John

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|John Viega                                  "The finest day I ever had             |
|rust@virginia.edu                           was when I learned to cry on command"  |
|http://uvacs.cs.virginia.edu/~jtv2j/                                               |
|University of Virginia                                                             |
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Posted By: awd7u@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:22 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Lexington Show Tape

If anyone has a tape of the Lexington show on Wednesday, I'd love to get a
copy.  Although I can't offer anything in return (boot-wise), I'd be happy to
send $ and/or blanks.  Please e-mail if you can help me out.  

Thanks a lot, 

Alex Dennis


Posted By: JAROUNDS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:34 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: apologies

sorry for any misconceptions of doreen.  i didn't mean to do any harm.
first impressions are important and her, well, it's not our business, so
sorry again.

um, the smurf story.  come on guys. :(
:)jaime


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 11:45 PM Thursday, November 10, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 345

On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Troy Pusateri ( swim ) wrote:

> Once agian,
>     Can someone tell me how to get into the FAQ and to also see the
> pictures Ive read about on the net??

the FAQ and other text-files:
	ftp://netspace.org/pub/DMB/text-files

The pictures (SUBLIMINAL: there are some good ones here!)
	ftp://netspace.org/pub/DMB/graphics


>     I'd really, really appreciate this if someone could help me!!

This will be good for about the next ten hours, until I reorganize things 
tomorrow morning.

> 
>                 Thanx,
>                     TROY
> 
> 
> P.S.-- Hey Russ, Nate, Yogi......Drop me a line!!!
> 

-Ben


Posted By: Bernardo.Evangelista@Washcoll.EDU
Time/Date: 12:22 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: dmb pictures

ftp://netspace.org/pub/DMB/graphics
To:
Bernardo Evangelista@washcoll.edu


Posted By: moransk@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 12:22 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Wake Forest People

I'm a senior at Wake who would like to trade or get as many DMB boots 
before I leave this fine academic institution.  So if there are any other 
Wake students on this, please get back to me!  Thanks in advance- i 
appreciate it.  See you at the show!

Sean Moran
moransk@wfu.edu


Posted By: flats@WPI.EDU
Time/Date: 1:20 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: questions about New Years...

I'm split between seeing Dave or Phish on New Years and was wondering just
how big is the Marriot Ballroom in Richmond?   Also is this going to be a 
longer show than usual (2 sets - some acoustic) or just standard format.  A set
list from last years new years show would be really helpful.  If someone
could send me one I'd appreciate it.  
     And one last question.  I read flyers at the Virginia Horse Center 
show said New Year tix go on sale Nov. 10, which would mean I'm probably 
out of luck.  The Tour Dates that have been posted by Alex and all other 
anouncements for New Years said Nov. 14.  What's going on?

						-flats@wpi.edu


Posted By: STU_GEYAKAIT@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 1:48 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: R2T Liner Notes ???

I was passing time tonight by reading the liner notes to R2T, and I am
curious about two names that appear in the Acknowledgements Section......


	1) BUTCH TAYLOR - I am active in the Jazz program at JMU, and my
			jazz instructor for a combo I was in 2 years ago
			was named Butch Taylor. He was an extremely talented
			keyboard player and he sat in or played with(?) TR3.
			The last I saw him, I was helping him move out of
			his house,(He had gotten a gig on the road touring
			with Tanya Tucker). I was wondering if anyone knows
			if this is the same person mentioned in R2T???

	2) Also....at the show last night, I remembered mentioning to my friend
		that Carter really reminds me of DENNIS CHAMBERS (a phenom.
		drummer from my home town of Baltimore) who toured with Steely
		Dan this past summer, and rocked!...They not only look alike,
		dress alike (always w/baseball cap on)..their styles are 
		somewhat similar. I noticed he was also mentioned in the
		Liners of R2T. Does anyone know this connection?
		Maybe it is just inspirational, maybe they are twins separated
		at birth????? They both really groove.



			Just passing the time.....

					Yak


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu
Time/Date: 2:22 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Talk to me!

ALrigth,  I know some people on this net taped the Leington show,  and I 
need a copy badly.  I am now prepared to offer large sums of money for it.  
I think this what is meant by groveling,  but I can't be sure.  Please drop 
me a note and let's trade some tapes and money and stamps and envelopes and 
all the other good stuff!
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 3:01 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Carter's lady

I don't know Doreen, but I know Carter well enough that any chic he chooses
to go out with must be cool as shit!!!  Wish I knew her!!!

Jen

"When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and
stick together."  --Robert Fulghum
"Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious
oblivion......"  --My dad
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jennie Akins
SPO 1117
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, TN     37383-1000
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu



Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 3:27 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: i think there're just pieces of me you've never seen, maybe she's just the pieces of me you've never seen.... (long)

'why why why are you letting me go' she says.. i feel you pulling back, i 
feel you changing shape.. ' she says....

uh. lots of things to address in this letter. as i listen to my favorite 
song in the whole world.. i actually like it so much ... excuse me for a 
second while i hit the repeat button on my cd-player.....
[pause as clare does above action]
 ok. it's been a long day. took a long drive back home today... '5am, 
friday mornig, thursday night, far from sleep... i'm still up and 
driving.. cant' go home.. obviously..' (ya'll will have to deal with the 
inserted lyrics from various songs as they come to me in a quite stream 
of conscious manner and are inserted where necessary to add eloquence, 
which, i, obviously lack. kinda. nevermind) so i'm driving back down 81 
south. shortly ago. and the fog was totally so thick and forcing a 
muchness of introspection adn i felt liek scalett in atlanta searching, 
and searcing.. haveing that dream where she's running through the fog and 
searching for what she cant' know and finally she knows what it is, and 
its' rhett... and he's left her.. and she has to, yet again... be a 
strong woman... and reassure herself that 'tomorrow is another day' we 
have to love strong women. and now tomorrow is today so i'll continue 
with the pointlessness of t his post (and only if you watch closely will 
you gather the point, and the lesson, boys and girls). so the fog is 
chasing me, and i'm chasing it, adn i made this same long drive last 
night as a boar or a wharthog ran across the street causing blake and i 
to question our sleep-deprivation and inquire within ourselves if we were 
having visual hallucinations after such an amazing dave show. 'miles and 
miles away from home again'. so once tori and i were one in the putt putt 
(which, was by the wBay on empty for 30 miles and i had faith in my karma 
that i'd make it home on fumes) we philosophized on the dust of the day 
(dust among the fog.. i felt quite altered and yet peculiarly lonely..).

okay. that was my ramblings. here's the nitty gritty. (if you've made it 
this far you deserve a free hug from a stranger. so smile at astranger on 
the street tomorrow. i guearantee you'll get a free smile in return. and 
it warms your heart. and warm hearts are healthy. so give.. and you'll be 
given to...)

ah lex. what a wonderful gathering. happiness and love. it was all a work 
of art. here's a hint.. if you dont' liek teh crowds, dont' stand in 
them. i'll guarantee you its' much more exciting to spinn with cathy to 
'spin my world around, got my world turning' back by the soundboard where 
you have your space and you have no moshing, and you have the love of 
friends to surround you to replenish your universal energy. so.. we all 
got a taste of life the other night. and you must gnarl at life with a 
passion to keep the taste fresh in your mouth...
rich.. i actually said i didn't know about cry freedom... (gasp! clare 
not know? gasp! yes pholks.. it happens.. i am mere flesh like you all, 
quite a simple girl i am who yearns to be amish and cook cornbread in 
ohio). hey rick.. i bet kelly doesnt' know how to cook cornbread... bet 
she doesn't.... ah kelly... if only you knew.. if only you knew how to 
hide your gaze as you shake hands.... i nearly had to indulge a possesive 
hug on my dear friend rick to help wrench him from your thoughts...so 
anyway... afterward we gazed at stars....in skies of blue.. clouds of 
black.. thoughts of intimacy among three freinds... and droned to the 
fiddle in our heads and my speakers.... (following blake's rule, of 
course.. no no.. no 11.17.92 this time dear followers). so after 
comtemplating the theory of dreams, and hell... we traveled down our 
paths only to meet again in memories and reminisce and a few weeks for 
comfort at 3rd street (grilled d's buford!) over botomless cups of leaded 
caffeine. if memory serves me right boyd got married somwehreabouts in 
late october of 92. (why is my room so goddamn cold? i'm chilly as a 
penguin.. god i miss opus...and his feild of dandelioins...why isn't 
there a dandelion park some where? for solace and comfort.. full of 
wishes to make.. waiting to come true... and butterlies to soar the	q sky 
with your soul..)

with that note... i saw a shooting star tonight... once a patch in the 
fog cleared.. and i hadn't a wish to make. so i wished for a wish. is 
that weird? hmm...... so if happen to find my ka (my spirit/my soul) keep 
an eye on the stars abroad in the sky right now.. cause it's wandring 
somewhere out there.. like a winged sahara.... a desert too expansive for 
my travels..... and give it a hug for me.. and send it on it's way...)

'i come apart baby but that's okay, cause trouble man dont' get in my way'

oh i miss the kiss of treachery...
check the .sig.........(cig? did you say cig, buford? film at 11)
clare the den mother emily

*******************************************************************************
                   'never never never let me go' she says 
           'hold me like this for a hundred thousand million days' 
          but suddenly she slows and looks down in my breaking face  
      'why do you cry? what did i say?'  'but it's just rain' i smile...
                          brushing my tears away...    

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************


Posted By: malachi@leland.Stanford.EDU
Time/Date: 7:07 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Horse Center?

Does anyone have a copy of the show at the Horse Center in Lexington?

		M A L A C H I


Posted By: Dave_P._Anderson@csgi.com
Time/Date: 7:48 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: HEY! Jackopierce. Also Nantucket

First, (I'm begging here) does anyone have any tapes of DM at the Muse in
Nantucket, I go there every summer, I was there, I would like it.

2nd Does anyone have any Jackopierce tapes?
3rd  Does anyone have the setlist for 10-12-94 at the Stone Balloon in Newark
Del.  ?
4th Thanks!

Dave from DC.


Posted By: TPUSATERI@tlc-486.clemson.edu
Time/Date: 8:19 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject:

ftp://netspace.org/pub/DMB/graphics


Posted By: TPUSATERI@tlc-486.clemson.edu
Time/Date: 8:22 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 345

Hey,
    Troy here. Thanx for helping me. But I have one question. Do I
put that ftp://netspace..etc in the body of the letter or what? Thanx
again, Over and Out...Troy


Posted By: kburesh@mason1.gmu.edu
Time/Date: 9:01 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Re: Boyd got married?

On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Scott Miller wrote:

> When,  what,  where,  how,  and to whom did Boyd get married?  I never knew 
> about that.  I started going to see Dave at the Floodzone all the time near 
> mid to late 1992 and I never knew?  Please inform me and maybe the rest of 
> the DMB fans.
> Scott Miller-
> Virginia Tech
> 529 Shanks Hall
> Blacksburg,  VA 24060
> sctm@vt.edu
> "Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
>      - Dave Matthews
> 
> 
I don't remember to who, I just remember the band taking a week or two 
off one summer (I think 1992, but I could be thinking wrong) because Boyd 
was getting married.  Sorry I'm so vague on this because it was so long 
ago.  Someone else probably knows the details. -Kim


Posted By: kburesh@mason1.gmu.edu
Time/Date: 9:19 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: 11-17-92

I wrote to the first group of people who replied about my 11-17-92 
offer.  I'll try to do this again sometime in a few weeks for the rest of 
you who wrote me.  -Kim


Posted By: CONJURAEM@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 9:22 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Boyd and his lovely wife named.....

	All I know about Boyd and his wife is that her name is Emily....
When I met him last February at the Sweet Briar Show I introduced myself
and he said "Oh I really like that name, that is my wife's name."

	Well as many of you know I rarely post...often I think more about
what I'd like to post than actually doing it.....Posting..."Some people do,
some people don't"  I guess I am more of a passive participant in minarets,
but those of you who know me, know that I am just as interested in all of
this as much as the rest of you are...and yes even I was here from the 
beginning. *have I been addicted to email that long*
	
	On on a final note...KUDOS to Clare, the girl that will always bring
a smile to your face.  I whole-heartedly agree that a DMB show is even that
much better when you share it with a good group of friends...thus when I
looked around at the Lexington, I was surrounded by 6 of my closest friends
from the net, doing what I love to do the most....and all the while smiling
like there was tomorrow....So for all of you who have posted that you hate
the crowds...well if and when possible, move away...move away I say.  Find
a secluded spot to enjoy the show if possible.  Or when in doubt come
back to the soundboard...cause some of the best people hang out there.  Plus
you might learn a thing or two.  

	Enjoy the W-S show tonight...I must trek on home, and will be unalbe
unable to attend....

bye bye now.....
smiles
emily

**********************************************
* On a bus with everyone around me seated    *
* Looking at the faces shutting me out       *************************
* And I wonder why behind these eyes we hide--every day, every night *
* Don't speak to strangers, Don't speak to another.....              *
* So I might take a chance to talk to a stranger, on a bus           *
* Yes I don't know why you are sitting quiet (have you got a life)   *
* Four hours down this highway, not a word                           **********
* Spoken between us, makes me loose my mind.....                              *
* Turn the windows are open, don't leave                   RHYME AND REASON   *
* The moments passed I shudder what I could've done             Dave Matthews *
* Sometimes occuring                                            Band          *
* And the urge to open your mouth, don't shut it                (7/27/93)     *
* Don't swallow your thought again                              Floodzone     *
* Open up and screeeam it, screeeam it, screeeam it....         Richmond, VA  *
*******************************************************************************


Posted By: LauraL4523@aol.com
Time/Date: 11:12 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: NYE producer?

Hey there y'all!

    Could anyone tell me who/ what company is producing the nye show at the
Marriott?  Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Also, is there any kind of gathering going on at Wake tonight?  would love to
meet some of y'all.

See you there!

-Dash
also known as l_leclai@turing.uncg.edu

     "The way we are living,
      timorous or bold,
      will have been our life."   -Seamus Heaney


Posted By: EIQ9DXB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Time/Date: 11:20 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Am I worthy?

hey

i got my tkts for DMB at the Whiskey in L.A. on Dec. 6. I've only been
keen to the wonders of the band for a couple weeks.

You cheeseheads want to tell me how to "behave" at the concert?


Posted By: CASERT66@snycorva.cortland.edu
Time/Date: 11:51 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: NYE TIXS

hi  everyone out there!!  I tried yesterday a quick as i could to email
people asking about DMB NYE TIXS  today i just found out that i got alot 
of undeliverable mail(don't you hate when that happens?)  anyway- hopefully
its not too late-  DMB went on sale yesterday at 11am  through DMB tixs
and merchandising. the # is 804 971 4829  i don't think it sold out but 
who knows.  I hope you all get tixs-- its too bad there werent any posts 
about it on the net like i read once before that would give netters a 
special advantage of some sort to getting tixs--anyway GOOD LUCK and
see you all NYE!!
btw if anyone who went last year could send me a set list and tell 
what it was like as far as area, parking, scene, bar, etc please let 
me know  THANKS 
Danielle


Posted By: gottlieb@bu4090.barry.edu
Time/Date: 11:54 AM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: MIA

To those on the Minarets net:

I have been unable to reply for about 2 weeks because our campus link
has been down.  If anyone has been trying to reach me, I'm back 
now.  And it's good to be back.  I knew that once I got some 
DMB tapes in the mail, I'd be okay.  I got 8/21/94 HORDE Pittsburgh.
ALways up for a trade...

Great to be back to 100 messages a day!,

ADAM


Posted By: dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 12:01 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: David Gray

I just got a copy of the Fox Theatre show (8/27/94).

Unbefuckinglievable.    I didn't think you could DO a Nancies->>Warehouse,
but Carter just keeps on riding that cymbal like he's going off into the
SUNSET!

Anyways, Dave mentions David Gray in between songs.   Wait, he's saying it n=
ow:

"David Gray-- that's a WICKED album."

after that, he says to someone in the background, "_I_ didn't cut it,
someone else did..."

cut WHAT, Dave?    The cheeze?

ANYways, I'd just like to say, I saw David Gray open for Shawn Colvin.
He really impressed me.    He's an Irish dude with a great voice and some
UNconventional progressions.   I bought 'A Century Ends'.   Check out
'Shine'.

"Dry your eyes, we're gonna go     where     we     can     shine."

Peace and Dave to you all,
        -Dominic

=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=
=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=
=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83
read.   bike.    read.    listen to dave.    read.    eat?
sleep.    read.    type.    listen to dave.    write.    eat.
sleep?    play disc.    read.    bike.    listen to dave.    EAT!
eat... eat.    listen to dave.    listen to dave.    hear dave.

repeat until you hear #'s 12-33...
=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=
=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=
=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83=83

Dominic Sagolla '96        dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore College         dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore, PA 19081
sagolla@sccs.swarthmore.edu

 Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.


Posted By: longmire@ucsuc.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 12:09 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Boulder 11.19 grovel/tape offer

Hi Folks:

I just found out that a couple buds (no these are actual people who were 
not recently harvested) from the Bay Area are coming out for next 
weekend's shows.

We need 2 more tix for Saturday night 11.19 at the Fox.

Here's the deal- if you help us out, I'll provide you with copies  of all 3 
Boulder shows  (scums free DAT or Nak). If this doesn't interest you we can 
discuss other offers.

Feel free to respond via email or give me a call

Take it slow,

John

*****************************************************************************
John Longmire
PO Box 382
Boulder,CO  80306-0382
(303) 449-6234                       "what I want is what I've not got"
longmire@ucsu.colorado.edu

*****************************************************************************


Posted By: dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 12:29 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: David Gray

I just got a copy of the Fox Theatre show (8/27/94).

Unbefuckinglievable.    I didn't think you could DO a Nancies->>Warehouse,
but Carter just keeps on riding that cymbal like he's going off into the
SUNSET!

Anyways, Dave mentions David Gray in between songs.   Wait, he's saying it n=
ow:

"David Gray-- that's a WICKED album."

after that, he says to someone in the background, "_I_ didn't cut it,
someone else did..."

cut WHAT, Dave?    The cheeze?

ANYways, I'd just like to say, I saw David Gray open for Shawn Colvin.
He really impressed me.    He's an Irish dude with a great voice and some
UNconventional progressions.   I bought 'A Century Ends'.   Check out
'Shine'.

"Dry your eyes, we're gonna go     where     we     can     shine."

Peace and Dave to you all,
        -Dominic

/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|/|\
read.   bike.    read.    listen to dave.    read.    eat?
sleep.    read.    type.    listen to dave.    write.    eat.
sleep?    play disc.    read.    bike.    listen to dave.    EAT!
eat... eat.    listen to dave.    listen to dave.    hear dave.

repeat until you hear #'s 12-33...
\|\|\|\|\|\\\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|/

Dominic Sagolla '96        dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore College         dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore, PA 19081
sagolla@sccs.swarthmore.edu

 Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.


Posted By: DLALLISON@unca.edu
Time/Date: 12:33 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: faq file and other stuff

Hey what's up to everyone. My name is Dusty (i'm a guy in case you
thought that Dusty was a girl's name) I have been a DMB fan for a year
and a half but I'm just now entering the minarets system. Could 
someone help me to obtain the FAQ file?
I mailed a request to stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu but have received 
nothing.  Help would be greatly appreciated. Also i am looking
for tapes from the mixing board to any of this year's shows.
I am willing to pay good money or trade. I have really good
quality tapes from a performance at Trax in 10/93. I also
have other stuff that could prove to be interesting.
Was any of you at the show in Athens on 10/14?? That show kicked ass
It was well worth sitting on the sidewalk from 8am to 1pm waiting
to buy tickets. A couple of more highlights from the show was 1. seeing
Rusted Root perform. They don't call their music "primal and body
moving" for nothing!! I alo have their cd if anyone would like a copy made.
2. seeing Michael Stipe wandering through the crowd.
If anyone has tapes from this show I will pay or trade. let me know.
finally if anyone is going to the Boone show tomorrow night ,
i would pay money to get a tape made of the show.
hope to hear from everyone on e-mail.
                                       dlallison@unca.edu
                                           Dusty


Posted By: Hatton.Haralson@Rollins.Edu
Time/Date: 1:08 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 346

sorry to those who took offense to my trans. to satellite.       
i guess there's no real way to play it (except for dave's way)
just play it the best way you know how.
does anyone know if dave will ever make it down to florida?


Posted By: KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu
Time/Date: 1:10 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Grovel, grovel

I just got finished reading all the post from people looking/begging for tapes
and I decided to join in on the fun. I'm working this serious jones for tapes
of all the shows I've been to, but since alot of these were from Frat parties
in the early days I've come to accept their non-existence. That leaves the
clubs, I'll start with a couple today and if I get a good response (please,
please) then I'll add a few more every month until I complete my collection
(can there ever be an end to this madness?) OK here we go: does anybody out
there have copies of the 11/93 show from the Peppermint Beach Club, VA Beach?
Or how about the free "last day of school" show for ODU at Town Point Park,
Norfolk 4or5/94? If any body has a copy of these shows, my collection is
growing rapidly and I would love to trade. Sorry for the "wasted" bandwidth.
				   Thanks to all who do good deeds,
					Kev :-Q  kulpk@tiger.hsc.edu

"I'll be doing an Irish gig dance that has been passed down from father to son,
father to son, and when it got to me, father to daughter. that is, until the
operation" -Dave

As always, for your convenience smoking IS allowed in my message


Posted By: JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU
Time/Date: 1:15 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: hey rick!!!!!

	sorry to post a personal, but Rick, I can't get your address to work
for me, so here's mine and you can drop me a line: jpeters@center.colgate.edu
	jeff


Posted By: dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 1:16 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Show ID: Harrisonburg '92

Hey all:  
  I know a number of people have this tape (Buford?) as I've seen it
mentioned before.  I have it labeled as Harrisonburg '92 and its got Cry
Freedom, The Maker, Me & Julio, Best (sorry I don't have the set list - the
tape is lent out).  If someone could e-mail me directly the exact date and
venue I would be much obliged.  Thanks.

Dan Entin


Posted By: Barrett.S.Shaver@dartvax.dartmouth.edu
Time/Date: 1:17 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Robert Dederick?

Yes, I've asked this before, but got no reply, and I think somebody knows the
answer, so I'm going to ask it again: It says in the liner notes of UTTAD
that "Typical Situation" was inspired by Robert Dederick's "a prayer in the
Pentagon". Does anybody know who Robert Dederick is or what "a prayer in the
Pentagon" is (song/poem/story)?

oh, and i second that everybody should check out David Grey, he's an
excellent songwriter.

all experiences lead to another...

-barrett shaver@dartmouth.edu


Posted By: eja1@Lehigh.EDU
Time/Date: 1:29 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: NYE

Well, I just called and got a few tix for the new year festivities.  I know a
request was sent out for info about last year's show, but instead of mailing
directly to Danielle, just post it; I'm sure no one will mind.  Same request:
set lists, crowd, #s, if and how are the security...


                                                  Thanks,
                                                      EriK A.


Posted By: trs9y@sunipc-3.unixlab.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 1:58 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: carter beauford on the drums

Hey-

	This has been bothering me for a long time, so I thought I'd
see if anyone out there knew.  Is Carter right- or left-handed?  I've
never seen anyone play drums the way he does.  His drums are set up
for a right-handed player, except for his ride cymbal which is above
the hi-hat, which he almost always rides with his left.  Although he
is such a good drummer that it's well within the realm of possibility
that he can play ambidextrously.

			-Just curious

======================================================================
Tom Schwenk
trs9y@sunipc-3.unixlab.virginia.edu

     "...The herbivores ate well 'cause their food did never run..."

						-Phish
======================================================================


Posted By: driver8@phy.duke.edu
Time/Date: 2:21 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Wait tonite

I'll be there...look for a 5'10" guy with a UVa track shirt...I'm 
bringing tapes.

gee out

                -----------------------------------------
               "Hi, we're r.e.m. and you're a storage box"
                -----------------------------------------
			      Sean Spicer
		    Duke University, Dept. of Physics


Posted By: JFDITT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Time/Date: 2:26 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 346

On Thursday, Nov 10, Shaft (a true fan) wrote:

>    ...my problem lies with those who don't take the band seriously, who's
>   interest doesn't go beyond the CD's. These are my Dave-come-latelies.

     What's wrong with just being interested in their CD's?

                                                  Jay


Posted By: driver8@phy.duke.edu
Time/Date: 2:35 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Even more "notes" on satellite

  I don't know if all of you debating over how to play the satellite 
intro have  realized this but YOU'RE ALL PLAYING THE SAME THING!!!  if 
you listen to the song carefully enough on different copies sometimes 
dave slides and  sometimes he doesn't - I've seen him do it either way 
(he is a respectable guitarist you know) and as for singing the song while 
moving out of position, I've never had a problem with it...in fact, it is 
easier to sing (After Her) while sliding - I might even venture to guess 
this is how dave originally played the song and he perhaps toyed with it 
a bit to get a ceaner sound now and then. After all it makes much more 
sense from a composers standpoint to write a song that way.
  The real question is how many of you know how to play the rest of the 
song? I'll admit it's aweful boring if you only know the intro, but when 
you know the rest - then you can join in with dave and take the song 
completely ape - after all isn't that what music's all about?  So my 
challenge is for you to come up with the rest of the song and post it 
here.  In a few days after you guys try to get this I'll post it the way I 
play it (If someone doesn't do it the same way) - And once this done 
maybe I'll trade some improve licks that sound good.  Give it a go 
netters, let's see what you can come up with. 

                -----------------------------------------
               "Hi, we're r.e.m. and you're a storage box"
                -----------------------------------------
			      Sean Spicer
		    Duke University, Dept. of Physics


Posted By: IBASSIN@WESLEYAN.BITNET
Time/Date: 3:16 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: To Schmutz or not to schmutz?

Is Satellite really Schmutz, or do you not like it b/c all the assholes in
your average Dave crowd love it and sing along and scream for it all night?
Mainstream or alternative, some things are just good. Dave will grow and
will become very popular so we better learn to love him even when everyone
screams for and sings along to Drive in Drive out. Just a thought, Ian


Posted By: Lyn.Debevoise@williams.edu
Time/Date: 3:33 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 346

On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, Jay Ditty wrote:

> On Thursday, Nov 10, Shaft (a true fan) wrote:
> 
> >    ...my problem lies with those who don't take the band seriously, who's
> >   interest doesn't go beyond the CD's. These are my Dave-come-latelies.
> 
>      What's wrong with just being interested in their CD's?
>  
>                                                   Jay 

For that matter, how can it possibly be said that people who are only 
interested in the cds necessarily do not (or cannot) take the band 
seriously? I think it takes a lot of nerve to classify people who do not 
wish to take the time to make and trade tapes (or possibly don't have the 
opportunity to do so - ever think of that?) as being second-class fans.
	I also find it very odd that some of the same people who not two months 
ago were eagerly anticipating the possibilities of DMB becoming big are 
now bitching up a storm about what this popularity has brought with it: 
new fans, shorter sets, etc. I have three words: deal with it.
	Although I never had the chance to see Dave at any of the old 
shows at Trax where "there were only fifty people in the crowd and you could 
rub elbows with the band", I can identify with the feelings about how the 
crowds have changed. Please understand, however, that things are not going 
to return to the way they used to be. DMB does not "belong" to any single
group of people. Someone who has been following the band from the 
beginning has no more right to like DMB than someone who first saw them 
on MTV two weeks ago.
	Sorry to express my views so forcefully, but I think some people 
really need to adjust to the new situation. Now please excuse me while I 
go play "Satellite" for the newbie down the hall. You know what? He'll 
probably want to hear Ants after that, and I'll be happy to play it for 
him, because I don't want to keep good music to myself.
			--lyn


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 3:49 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: ..............

To all those who got offended about the Smurf story, I'm sorry
I didn't write it, and didn't mean to offend any women, I was inspired to 
post it by a girl on this net actually, and it was forwarded to me by my 
girlfriend 
Its only relation is that this summer we were discussing how smurfs fit 
in the titles of every DMB song, maybe Ben Tanen can dig the posts out of 
the archives......anyway, the content wasn't the point, it was the smurfs 
in general....
Obviously some of you read it anyway, then got ticked...

How hard is it to hit a delete key anyway....


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|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
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|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
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Posted By: Matthew.S.Bruno@williams.edu
Time/Date: 4:00 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Trade

Hey everybody!
   I was wondering if anyone was interested in helping me out getting a
copy of the Rusted Root opener in Lexington two nights ago.  I have plenty
to trade including a Phish Halloween tape(on its way, actually), some DMB,
and plenty of Phish/Dead.   Please respond if you are interested in setting
up some sort of trade.  Thanks
     Matt

========================================
+Matthew S Bruno                       +
+S.U. Box 2120                         +
+Williams College                      +
+Williamstown, Mass 01267              +
========================================


Posted By: croutons@leland.Stanford.EDU
Time/Date: 4:20 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Re: miss green jean.

On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, remember to breathe wrote:

> dave got kinda big kinda fast, no?

Weight problem? ;)


| "..old enough to know what's right, but young enough   |       Roweman
|  not to choose it...noble enough to win the world, but |   croutons@leland.
|  weak enough to lose it"                               |     stanford.edu
|                                        -Rush           |On a midnight radio..


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 4:32 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: 'songs about happiness murmered in dreams.... '

the smurf story is one of humor. it was sparked by humor. and was sent in 
humor. jest. and memory of a crazy thread that permeated summer net where 
we cooked up smurfs underlying every dave song. 

'smurf this my arms.. smurf this my eyes, smurf this my mouth and god.. 
it seems to be.. completely smurfy'

if you weren't amused... then courtesy to all. we all have different 
favorite songs, and different senses of humor. it doesn't make any of us
demonic or mysogynistic (me being quite a feminist myself) i had to laugh 
my ass off. anyone have any stories about pepe le pew? i'd be ever so 
gracious to have a copy. or about furry loveable old grover? or eyore?  
my bandwith is open. i think we should all share in the happiness that 
this net brings, and respect others and the comments they have to say. in 
good taste. and i can vouch for buford (who sent the smurf story in to 
the net). if you queston his character, or his respect for women, just 
ask him to tell you about the times i've cried hysterically in his arms, 
and all he's done is hold me, stroking my hair, asking no questions, and 
letting me mascara his shoulder. 

if you have no respect for a man who is a gentleman, you have no respect 
from me.

'pictures of trickery.. stains on the carpet, stains on the memory...'
clare emily

ps- bagpipes were playing on the drillfield here at vetech today. so i 
spent spoons out to boofy and rick. why not share this little though with 
the net, guys?

love and light, 
cec

*******************************************************************************
                   'never never never let me go' she says 
           'hold me like this for a hundred thousand million days' 
          but suddenly she slows and looks down in my breaking face  
      'why do you cry? what did i say?'  'but it's just rain' i smile...
                          brushing my tears away...    

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************


Posted By: cbutkus@vt.edu
Time/Date: 5:46 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject:

        Does anybody have a copy Nov. 9 show in Lexington?  I really would 
like to get a copy of it.  I have about 5 shows of DMB.  I also have some 
other groups.  If your interested in a trade or could make a copy of the 
show, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Chris (cbutkus@vt.edu)


Posted By: vastolj@alleg.EDU
Time/Date: 7:12 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: fall 91 recording?

I have a request.  I have a studio tape of DMB labeled Fall '91.  Any ideas  
about it's origin etc?  Anyone else have it?  Here is the list of songs....

Side 2		Side 1
nancies		BOWA	
true refl	Jane
back you up	Blue Water Babboon Farm
BOWA		Billies
Recently	back you up
Ants		Lover
People, People	Angel
SMTS		recently
Warehouse	cry freedom
Satelitte

A few details...
	-in Blue Water Babboon Farm, Dave comments that it's the first time  
they put this one together, and jokingly says, we are going to play this one  
every day from now on
	-I'll Back You Up (side 1), Dave sends this one out to his mother who  
had just returned from S. Africa and bought him a hat.  In his best english  
accent he jokes about how he will shape the hat later, blah, blah, blah
	-Angel from Montgomery, I am pretty sure Boyd sings this one, it's  
definitely not Dave
	

any thoughts?  I don't think it is the "Rutabaga Recordings" we talked about  
earlier - different songlist.  Curious.

on my way,
joe


Posted By: laurenek@l.imap.itd.umich.edu
Time/Date: 7:18 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject:

on behalf of what others have said i would just like to say that a fan
should not be judged on the amount of tapes he has, especially since i
do not have many. I am new on the network and can not find any tapes! i
do have one although- ann arbor 3/17/94. anyone wanting to trade. please
write back. i also have many other bands including pearl jam, aerosmith,
green day, nine inch nails. Although they cannot compare to dave (no one
can) they are pretty good . please respond!!!!!


Posted By: dominic@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 7:42 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: sorry and an R&R question

Sorry if I sent that last one more than once.   The Mailer-Daemon is having
problems...

Rhyme & Reason:

A while back, when UTTAD was just released, someone posted about the words
that someone mumbles after, "'Cause I'm all locked up in this Dark place,
And I do not know..."

this person said it sounded like, "go see your daddy..."

I've always thought that it sounded like, "go see your David," 'cause it's
cute and subtle.    But that Fox Theatre tape has another set of lyrics
than what's on UTTAD:

"'Cause I'm all locked up in this Dark Place, and I do not know, [no seyzday]
We're     so    caughtandtied up, I need to killthis pain..." {Dave sings
all of this}

I've listened to it about 10 times, and I still don't have it.    He talks
about R&R being on the new album, so the lyrics weren't in flux.   I think
it IS Dave on the album.    But I still have no clue what he says.    He
does something like this at the end of #34 [UTTAD], too, but I'm not going
to touch that one til I figure out what it is on R&R.   Someone else try...

Enough rambling.    give it a listen.

-Dominic

p.s. hi c-emily

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read.   bike.    read.    listen to dave.    read.    eat?
sleep.    read.    type.    listen to dave.    write.    eat.
sleep?    play disc.    read.    bike.    listen to dave.    EAT!
eat... eat.    listen to dave.    listen to dave.    hear dave.

repeat until you hear #'s 12-33...
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Dominic Sagolla '96        dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore College         dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore, PA 19081
sagolla@sccs.swarthmore.edu

 Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.


Posted By: laurenek@l.imap.itd.umich.edu
Time/Date: 7:43 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: umich tapes

if there are any University of Michigan people on this line please write
back with your residence. i would love to trade tapes


Posted By: wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 7:55 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: Re: fall 91 recording?

For one thing, this is NOT a fall of 91 tape...Peter wasn't even
in the band at that point...it would most likely be a FALL 92
tape...


Number 2, Dave never makes dedications or rambles during a studio
recording.  What you got was either a REALLY clean SBD, or it
could very well have been one of the times that DMB played live
for the Cville radio station WTJU.  They did that a couple of
times, and low generation tapes of that sound almost studio-like.



Number 3--there is no #3...


Wade


Posted By: vastolj@alleg.EDU
Time/Date: 8:33 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: fall 91(?), or 92 tape

In listening to more of this tape, I think you're right Wade on the radio  
recording.  As for the repeats of  i'll back you up, recently, Jane, and BOWA  
- I'm guessing it is more than one show -gee, what a genius.  I really don't  
think they would play 4 tunes twice if they were on the radio, do you?  If  
this is the case, then maybe some songs ARE from fall 91?  Possible?

joe


Posted By: TWDUNCAN@ucs.indiana.edu
Time/Date: 9:00 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject:

Does anyone have any idea how to play Dancing nancies on the guitar!

				Dunc.


Posted By: vastolj@alleg.EDU
Time/Date: 9:04 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: people, people

I don't know if it already has been done, I don't care, I am tired of working  
on academia.  The last time I checked (last dec) it wasn't on the lyrics  
file, if it's there...blah

People, People

seven tumbling oceans surround 

the ground that I dance upon
black and white and the rainbow 

five colors in my eyes
seven tumbling oceans surround 

the ground that I dance upon
black and white and the rainbow
five colors in my eyes

people, people what are we doing here?
people, people, what have we done with this?
people, people what are we doing in here
people, people, what have we...
when we fight over the ocean
when we fight over the sky
when we fight over our borders
when we our brothers and sisters we deny
tell me why is it so.

soft piano/guitar riff

seven tumbling oceans surround
the ground that I dance upon
black and white and the rainbow
five colors in my eyes
when we stand in our mother's arms
the feelings of emptiness
if we stand in our mother's arms
we can see that.
when we fight over the oceasn
when we fight over the sky
when we fight over our borders
when we our brothers and sisters we deny
tell me why do we do it 

why do we do it.

Dave coooing, oooooooohhh, etc. in VERY high voice with soft piano/guitar  
riff


Posted By: tmr3c@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:17 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject:

I just wanted to say that everyone got the wrong impression of my
early note about the fans.  There is a point when they are too
rowdy.  I saw a lot of people get hurt.  I really just want to
enjoy myself.  I didn't want to seem bitchy, but I know now that
everyone took it that way.  I want to apologize and clear things
up.  I know that the people who write on the minarets.net are all
dedicated fans who appreciate Dave and the guys.  I don't mean to
direct any of this at you.  I mean to refer to the loud,
obnoxious people who think that pushing someone until they can
not breathe is fun.  I was hurt at the concert.  I really wanted
to enjoy myself, but it was hard when so many people acted like
they didn't have any common sense.  

Again, I want to apologize.  My question about the New Year's Eve
show was serious.  I want to enjoy myself, and listen to my
favorite band play.  I think that is what we all want.  So I hope
everyone understands that I was just disappointed in the way the
crowd acted.  I think that most of us that were there are.
Anyway, forgive me, I am not a bitch.

Tonya


Posted By: akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 11:56 PM Friday, November 11, 1994
Subject: ill back you up

and for sure we have danced
in the risk of each other
would you like to dance
around the world with me?


just some random lines of numbing pleasure.......

"When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and
stick together."  --Robert Fulghum
"Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious
oblivion......"  --My dad
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jennie Akins
SPO 1117
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, TN     37383-1000
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu


Posted By: laurenek@l.imap.itd.umich.edu
Time/Date: 12:50 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: trade

anyone who would like to further there library of boots, please give me
a ring. i have many bands.
DMB Ann Arbor 3/17/94

PEARL JAM
---------
Berstine theater
California
St louis
Atlanta (2)
No Fucking Messiah
Against
And the pearls sweep (2)
Contra
5 Muskateers
Memphis
Free world
5 Alive

PINK FLOYD London 11/1/94 (2)
COUNTING CROWS True Heart
NIRVANA Smells like teen spirit
NIRVANA Roma
GREEN DAY Woodstock '94
NINE INCH NAILS Woodstock '94
AEROSMITH Woodstock '94
CYPRESS HILL Woodstock '94


Posted By: moransk@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 12:53 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Undoubtedly the First Wake Post

I just got back from the Wake show-  two thumbs up.
Highlights include 'Best of What's Around' and 'Say Goodbye' (that is the 
title, right?)

Anyway, the crowd behaved, the band rocked, and I listened quite happily 
from the back rows.


Eric- good to meet you.  You'll get some mail from me in a couple weeks 
or so...

Sean Moran
moransk@wfu.edu


Posted By: peterke3@wfu.edu
Time/Date: 12:59 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Wake Show...

It just ended about 45 min ago or so.... damn. I have not had the 
pleasure of seeing them in a long ass time, not since they stopped 
playing at trax every tues. I have to agree with you all who have been 
saying it is great on the one hand to see them becoming successful, but 
it really sucks having to put up with (*damn im having trouble typing... 
that no smoking policy was not very successful...) seeing them from a 
million miles away when youre used to having dave sweat on you.. by the 
way speaking of dave, anyone  know if he wants to have kids, if so im 
happy to have them for him... (hehe) i thought it was cool they opene up 
with #36 and only then did they ease into the oldies but goodies (ants) 
Damn i was happy they played say goodbye-- i think he likes that hook up 
with a friend theme. Which makes me have to ask you all a few 
questions...how come i acted like i was hypnotized by Tom Deluca last 
night when i didnt feel like i was? Why does Crystal Light (TM) make you 
feel more thirsty after you drink it? Is there ayone out there with a 
tape of tonights show? IF so please let me send you  a blank tape :) Why 
is my cat getting so fat? Why when i went over to the soundboard i only 
met one Minarets person? sighhh.... sorry, i was hoping to meet 
clare...Gotta run, how did everyone else like the show?
Kristin


Posted By: laurenek@l.imap.itd.umich.edu
Time/Date: 1:20 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: looking for tape

anyone with the tape of Roseland, NYC 9/30/94. i will definately trade
anything. Have DMB plus other bands. I was at that concert. it rocked. i
have been looking desperately for a copy. please write back if you have
one or know anyone that does.

Thank you

Daniel Kantor
2673 Rachel St.
Bellmore, N.Y.
   11710


Posted By: DLALLISON@unca.edu
Time/Date: 1:45 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: sorry to grovel

Does anyone out there have copies of the Lexington show??
Im willing to pay good money or trade. I have great quality tapes
of a performance at Trax on 10/27/93. The tapes include an awesome
5 song acoustic solo set performed by Dave before the show. 
I know a lot of minaretters are probably tired of hearing about
the Lexington show but I heard that ther were a lot of analogs running to record the show.  Someone please let me know!!
Thanx
                                                    in%"dlallison@unca.edu"
                                                         Dusty


Posted By: dominic@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 1:48 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Smurf?

What's in a smurf?


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read.   bike.    read.    listen to dave.    read.    eat?
sleep.    read.    type.    listen to dave.    write.    eat.
sleep?    play disc.    read.    bike.    listen to dave.    EAT!
eat... eat.    listen to dave.    listen to dave.    hear dave.

repeat until you hear #'s 12-33...
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Dominic Sagolla '96        dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore College         dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore, PA 19081
sagolla@sccs.swarthmore.edu

 Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.


Posted By: djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us
Time/Date: 3:34 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Wait Ramblings

Well, after working the show at wait chapel (at 3am, can it still be
called tonight's show), I've got some observations:

First, equipment: the FAQ is wrong about a few things..mostly because
they've changed, I'd imagine.  Stefan plans a Dolphin Pro I bass.
Boyd no longer plays through a Boogie stack, it's a trace acoustic
head and mini cabinet.

Also, was anyone else shocked by the amount of gear they had?  The
sound and lights company does a great job...now if jeff would only
remember his splitter :-).

Second, crowd:  The crowd wasn't that bad (from a security
standpoint).  I was the jerk at the soundboard who wouldn't let people
with row 39 tickets go past row 20, but aside from that there were few
problems.  I smelled a bit of the green, and stopped a few people from
smoking, but all it all it wasn't bad.  Some people had trouble
figuring out that I really wasn't gonna let em by, but that wasn't a
big deal.  And there was one taper (who I believe is on this net) who
insisted on drinking beers while I was watching...musta pounded 5 or 6
over the course of the night.

Finally met some of you.  Glad to meet you Clare and Chris and those
others of you whose names I forgot in the pandemonium.  I'll have to
catch the next Va show to hang out with some of you when I'm NOT busy
working the show.  Anyone going to new years??  Any other dates coming
up?

I guess that's probably enough, except to mention that I haven't
listened to the tapes yet, but buford and I both taped, and the tree
should be posted soon.  It's nearly 2 full 90 minute tapes (by my flip
method, anyway :-), with some really sweet moments.  I just regret not
stealth taping the soundcheck (drive in drive out and justajam), and
can't wait to hear my friend's tape of root (they weren't allowing
patches).

Now this tired puppy is gonna crash, I'll let one of the more anal
retentive people post a setlist, I didn't get one...was a bit too busy
hassling fans :-).

Dan
-- 
Daniel J. Blanchat     | Question Authority. Question Reality. Question Me.
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | If someone tells you that you don't need another
Renegade Libertarian   | source for information, you most assuredly do.


Posted By: Lisa.S.Core@dartvax.dartmouth.edu
Time/Date: 5:10 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: mailing list

I would really appreciate being added to the Dave Mathews mailing list.  I
wouldn't want to miss out on any tour dates in the area.
Thanks
my address:
lisa.s.core@dartmouth.edu


Posted By: Matthew.S.Bruno@williams.edu
Time/Date: 10:07 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Widespread anyone?

Hey everyone,
    I was wondering if anyone has any Widespread that they would like to
trade.  I have some DMB, Phish, and Dead to trade for any of your
Widespread.  Thanks for your time.
      Matt

========================================
+Matthew S Bruno                       +
+S.U. Box 2120                         +
+Williams College                      +
+Williamstown, Mass 01267              +
========================================


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 10:14 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Re: sorry and an R&R question

>Rhyme & Reason:
>A while back, when UTTAD was just released, someone posted about the words
>that someone mumbles after, "'Cause I'm all locked up in this Dark place,
>And I do not know..."
>
>this person said it sounded like, "go see your daddy..."
>
>I've always thought that it sounded like, "go see your David," 'cause it's
>cute and subtle.    But that Fox Theatre tape has another set of lyrics

That was me, actually..  Though at the lex show I thought I head something
different, and at the wfu show last night I was almost certain I heard
"god is dead", which would go in nicely with the last line, "I see heaven.."

brett

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brett Kingswell                                           bmking@mail.wm.edu
If only God would give me some clear sign!  Like making a large deposit
in my name at a Swiss bank.           - Woody Allen, "Without Feathers"


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 10:14 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: this song is about good friends having a one night stand..

and how everything is fucked up the next day.


Well, first lemme say the wfu show was good.  I liked it.  If I ever say I
didn't like dave, then well.. uhh..  well, I won't, so nevermind.

But, I was seriously disappointed, too..   I don't have the exact setlist,
but I could get more variety by hitting random on my cd player than what was
played at lex and last night.  #36->ants opener, with all the same songs
EXCEPT cry freedom, lover, and jane, and they threw in typical.  So they
dropped 3 and added 1..  did they photocopy the puppy?  don't get me wrong, I
enjoyed (almost) every song..  I could even (almost) hear dave some of the
time above the screams behind us.

they encored with xmas song (they clapped again..), pb&jam -> halloween again,
which was all of incredible, monotonous, and interesting, since before blood
of our kids dave mentioned his voice had gone to hell..  I can definitely see
them wanting to get justajam (hoo waa) out in the open and please the crowd,
but didn't dave used to deny requests to play halloween because it hurt his
voice?  and I can't imagine christmas song is vocal chord ecstasy..

other than the actual show stuff:

hanging out after right next to the sbd, just mellowing in the "afterglow" :)
of the concert was cool.  bagby is definitely a cool guy... I may not find
him as attractive as others do, but hey.. to each their own. :)

clare&cath- I'm home.   (clare - sure you have my right email?)

beth&jer- I shaved it.

restofthenet- hi.  if dave plays blue water, spotlight, drive in drive out,
doobie thing, or any of the other many songs we shoved on jeff last night, we
would like to take complete credit.   :)   buuut..  he did mention he was
trying to get them to play julio again.  grooovy.  and he put on lanois's the
maker after the show, too.

well, I'm going to think about getting some sleep, since rest stops on the way
home just don't cut it all the time.

brett, the caffeine-does-me-absolutely-no-good-when-trying-to-stay-up guy.

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Brett Kingswell                                           bmking@mail.wm.edu
a river to the south, to wash away all sins
a college to the east of us, to learn where sin begins


Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 10:50 AM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Re: sorry and an R&R question

>That was me, actually..  Though at the lex show I thought I head something
>different, and at the wfu show last night I was almost certain I heard
>"god is dead", which would go in nicely with the last line, "I see heaven.."

umm.. of course, it COULD, POSSIBLY, MAYBE be "i'm as good as dead", which is
in the lyrics on uttad.   yup, imadope.

one more thing on wfu last night: lex's recently kicked wfu's left, right,
up, and down.

ok, I promise not to post again.  It's not even 11am and I've posted more
than I have in the last few weeks.

bye
brett

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Brett Kingswell                                           bmking@mail.wm.edu
a river to the south, to wash away all sins
a college to the east of us, to learn where sin begins


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 12:03 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: the rest of satellite

The discussion of Satellite lately has gotten me pretty worried.  Do people
really care that much?  I've gotten some pretty cruel and arrogant mail from
people basically saying "THIS IS HOW TO PLAY IT THE RIGHT WAY".  Guys, it's
just a song, it's just a riff, it's just a position change or not.  "we're
all in this together and we love to take a bath", so lets just chill with the
Satellite intro stuff.

So, since it appears someone out there cares, this is the way I personally
play Satellite.  There are mistakes, basically because I don't like the song
enough to spend more then 10 minutes figuring it out.

Intro

oh god, you KNOW already.

chorus

s = slide

"winter's cold..."

   Ab            Db  Bb(m) Eb

e----------------------------------|
B----------------------------------|
G-----4s6--4-----6---------8-------|
D-----4s6--4-----6---8-----8-------|
A-------------6--4---8-----6-------|
E--4-----------------6-------------|

The Eb voicing is wrong, and you will hear it as being off, but it's the
correct chord.  I usually fingerpick the Db, Bbm, and Eb.  It appears Dave
sometimes plays this, or something close to this after the Ab:

     Db  Bbm Eb

e--------------------|
B--------------------|
G-----6--6---6-------|
D-----6--6---6-------|
A--6--4------6-------|
E--------6-----------|

Bridge

                        Ab  Cm  Db    Bb(m)

e-----------------------4---3---4----------|
B-----------------------4---4---6----------|
G-----------------------5---5---6--6-------| (repeat from Ab)
D-----------------------6---5---6--6--8----|
A--------4--6--8--------6---3---4--4--8----|
E--4--6-----------1--3--4-------------6----|

The intro notes are pretty off, but it's good enough for me.


Please be happy.  Dance around in the daisies of minarets for a while.


Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

    ************************************************************************
   *        "you can't see what                 * --   Ben Sterling  --   *
  *              I can hide."                  * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
 *               -Dave Matthews               *  --   New York, NY  --  *
************************************************************************


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 12:47 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: lots of questions and lots of answers...

well no, not really.  just the answer to one question:

"can this level of immaturity be expected at new year's eve?"

well, considering it's _unlimited_ alcohol included with admission,
and considering that with 2000 in one place dancing to the tune of
a very loud band making it impossible to enforce age restriction:


if you think you've seen a bad crowd, you haven't seen shit yet.
if you want to be any closer than 150 ft to the stage on nye, i
suggest you get just as drunk as the band will be.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
ps-smurfette was made...not born.  \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 12:56 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 346

>>
>>------------------------
>>------------------------
>>------------------------
>>---8---6---5---3--6-----
>>--6---4---3---1--4-3----
>>-4----------------------
>
>Well, I didn't transcribe it, Shawn did, but both are wrong.  I'd venture
>that Shawn's is a bit closer than yours.  Dave does NOT (at least whenever
>I've seen him, and ya know hardly a show goes by he DOESN'T play schmutz #1)
>go out of position to play this.  That would make it quite difficult to sing
>at the same time.
>
actually, it was schmutz #2 on wednesday night, but it's kind of a matter of
which one he plays first, so it could become shmutz #1 soon enough.

and though he originally wrote it in the position that now appears in the
chords file, he did indeed move it down a half step quite a while ago.
it does seem _really_ weird at first.  this is a song that's hard to sing
and play at the same time for anyone, save the person that wrote it, and
dave wrote it.  


____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 1:51 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: this might be offensive to die hard davers...

someone asked a while back of they should go see dave or phish on
nye.

if you have an option here, take the latter.  as has been discussed
here in great (and sometime ugly:) detail, dave band is not a touring
band.

as far as nye shows go, dave last year seemed to be somewhat uninterested
in performing.  he's a partyer, just like so many of his fans (that we
collectively like to call assholes).  at last years show, dave had alot
of fun playing for us, but it seemed like an afterthought.  he was much
more interested in celebrating his new year's.  the show was short,
in all honesty it wasn't terribly energetic, and if dave felt like he
was being quiet wednesday night, nye 93 probably ranks as the all time
bleakest show in terms of good dave talk.  and after the show i realized
that most of the band members were stoned to the point of unintelligable
conversation, making it a miracle that the show sounded as good as it did
(and i have heard better...wednesday night to be exact.)

i'm not trying to belittle him, but nye at the marriot is going to be 
a _party_ with a live band, not a concert.  it really is a celebration
of new year's eve in the truest sense of a nye celebration.  beer, liquor,
happiness, celebration, live music (good live music, but once again, 
it may appear to be something of an afterthought) and lots and lots of
debauchery.  people will be hooking up every twelve seconds.  it will
be in a hotel, where you will be able to get rooms if you plan in advance
(like tomorrow), and it will be unlimited alcohol.  it won't be pretty if
you intend to go just to hear the band play, particularly if you allow
the state of current audiences to bother you.

despite everything i just said, i will be going to dave.  i won't be 
involved with the debauchery, and i sincerely doubt that i will drink 
my $53 worth of alcohol, but i also plan to hangout in the shadows like 
i did last year and talk to freinds to bring in the new year.

phish on the other hand, will be playing a concert.  their focus, as it
always has been, will be to play music.  it's their way of bringing in
the new year's.  it's not dave's.  

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \     dave matthews band faq type
        --immanuel kant               \  person and lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \   rick thompson
                                   \  <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: AMZENDEL@unca.edu
Time/Date: 2:11 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Wake Show and Wake Tree Tape.

It was great.  Loved it.  Highlights --> Nancies, Say Goodbye, Jimi,Warehouse,
and Halloween.  I'm starting to see what you all are saying about the crowds. 
I found myself laughing at alot of people, but I then "just igored them and
they went away, went away, went away...."  Yeah, they suck, but you can still
have fun, they have just as much right to  be there as we do, but they make
asses out of themselves.

Glad to meet some of you all finally.  I was sitting on the center aisle 3 or 4
rows back from the soundboard.  Glad to meet Claire, the girl who danced next
to claire (sorry forgot your name), and mr securitywho was taping the shows.
To mr. security (sorry, i'm just really bad with names, i just remembered
calire's b/c it's my grandma's name), but anyway, did some of the people think
you are a complete dumbass?  They tried to pull so much shit off on you.  Glad
to see you didn't let them.

Well, when the tree gets started, will you let me know?
	If it doesn't get started, I got a primo show the other day that I
would trade --> Trax 10.26.93.  Five dave solos to open and halloween is great.
Let me know whatcha want to do!

Will someone post the setlist?  I remember the songs, but not the exact order. 
Just like to have it, but i guess i'll get it when i get the tape.

Well, keep me informed.
alex


Posted By: cah3d@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 3:45 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Dave Matthews Band

Please SUBSCRIBE me to the Dave Matthews Band newsgroup.
Thanks, Carol.


Posted By: djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us
Time/Date: 4:43 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: DMB FAQ

THE DAVE MATTHEWS BAND and MINARETS.NET FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FILE.
This file is being compiled by Rick Thompson <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>,
with the gracious help of ellis of lemuria, Alex Crothers, and Gregg 
Carrier, and, of course, everyone on minarets.net.  If you are a Phish 
netter, you may notice striking similarities in the structure of this 
file, and you may even notice that half of it is exactly the same.  
That's mine and ellis's fault.  

If you have a question and it isn't answered here, then ask me.  I may not
be able to answer it, but i know people who can, and i'll be able to get it
answered here.

Enjoy:

This file last revised on 10-11-94.

This file is organized as follows:
The first question:  Is this file as complete as it could be?  
     Section A: Net Questions
A1. Minarets.Net: What is it? How do i subscribe? unsubscribe? other commands?
A2. What files are available:  lyrics file; tab file;     
                               interviews and articles;
A2b.  What is the Warehouse?
A3. What bands related to the Dave Matthews Band have there own listservs?

     Section B: Band Questions
B1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band?
B2. Equipment?
B3. Peter Griesar: Who was he?  Why did he leave the band?
B4. Tim Reynolds
B5. Miguel Valdez
B6. Other guests: Greg Howard?  Richard Harding? 
                    Kristin Asbury?  Doug Wannamaker?


     Section C: Music Questions
C1. CD's by the Dave Matthews band
C2. #34
C3. #36
C4. Dancing Nancies:  great intro quotes.
C5. Halloween
C6. Tripping Billies
C7. What songs does the band cover?
C8. How come they don't play <insert song title here> anymore?
    a: People, People
    b: So Much to Say
    c: Drive In, Drive Out
**Sections D & E are borrowed from the Phish.faq.file with permission.**
**Please see the note at the beginning of section D.                  **
     Section D: Taping Questions
D1. LIVE RECORDING: can i? what equipment do i need? *******NEEDS ANSWER!!
D2. TAPES: what REALLY high qual tapes are around? where? **NEEDS ANSWER!!
D3. TAPE TREE: what is it? how does it work? should i do one?
D4. TAPELIST: what is it? what's in it? do i need one?
D4B: TRADE: What is a tape trade? how do i get into one?
D4C: BEGINNER tape trades, adopt a phreak, reverse grovels
     Section E: Dubbing hints, suggestions
E4: PATCHING IN etiquette (needs to be answered!!)
E5: DCC and DAT compared and considered
==========================================================================
The First Question
==========================================================================
Is this file as complete as it could be?
The answer is a resounding NO.
This particular question is date specific to the Oct 94 posting of the faq,
and is intended to point out that the faq is still in a state of flux as
the net has grown to immense proportions in the past two months.  i 
encourage all members of the net to proofread this faq as diligently as you
want, and to let me know where you think answers could use improvement,
and what questions should be answered.
Alex and i will be working over the next few months to make this file as
overwhelmingly informative as possible, so be on the lookout around the
beginning of the year for a new and improved, glittering frequently asked
questions file.
Information we could particularly use is detailed information on the setup
of the archive site at the Phish.net computer at Brown, as well as a little
detail on what World Wide Web is, because i have no clue.  Seeing as i wrote
to of the most important files for this net, as well as knowing all file
administrators personally, i've never had a need to go galloping off across
the internet to find these files.
So have fun picking me to peices.  I slapped this version of the file 
together in about two hours on a Sunday night in early October, so it's
probably just full of glaring mistakes.  (I'm not even sure if all of 
question numbers in the outline match up to the actual question numbers
in the file:).
==========================================================================
                     SECTION A:   NET QUESTIONS
==========================================================================
A-1. What is Minarets.Net and how do I subscribe?


Minarets.Net was initially started by Alex Crothers
with the help of Ellis of Lemuria and Eric Budke.  The name of the
Net comes from a song on the bands first cd, Remember Two Things,
and was suggested by Ellis. Originally Sreaming from the Minarets,
the band shorten the name of the song to Minarets.  So the name of
the Net went from Sreaming_From_The_Minarets.Net to Minarets.Net.
I guess we all got lucky.

This Net is somewhat different than other musical nets that you may be
familiar with.  To begin with it is not automatically digestified (see
below) so whenever you send a message to Minarets it gets sent to all
the subscribers immediately.  Another aspect of this net that is different
than other nets is in the way you subscribe/unsubscribe.


This is a list of commands that may be useful in the future.
let me know if you have any questions, problems, or toothpaste?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Send these commands to listproc@moose.uvm.edu as the first line in the
body of your e-mail message. In the examples below.....

  Replace the words "first-name", "last-name" with your name.
  Replace the word "file-name" with the archive file name, like: nov93.

  To post to the net:               send to minarets@moose.uvm.edu
  To signoff the list:              unsubscribe minarets
                   or:              signoff minarets
  To signon the list:               subscribe minarets first-name last-name
  To request mail be delivered by digest:    set minarets mail digest 

These are some commands that your not as likely to use, but just in case
you wanted to know:
  To stop mail delivery:            set minarets mail postpone
  To start mail delivery again:     set minarets mail ack
     (if you want your posting sent back to you).
  To start mail delivery again:     set minarets mail noack
     (if you do not want your posting sent back to you).
  To get help about commands:                help
  To get help about the set command:         help set
  To see your current list settings:         set list-name

**-subscribing and digestifying can be done at the same time.  just
   subscribe on the first line of your message and digestify on the
   second.

-------------------------------------------------
A-2.  What files are available pertaining to this net and the band?
  Lyrics file:  the lyrics file is currently being maintained by
   rick thompson <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>.  The file currently
   consists of three files:  
      part I:  all unreleased materials (this part will eventually
               contain lyrics to all of the band's covers, but at this
               point i haven't had time to transcribe them)
      part II: THIS PART DOES NOT EXIST YET!!! but will eventually contain
               halloween song (or best guesses) and other alternative 
               versions of songs like early 'rhyme and reason's, drive
               in, drive out and etc...
      part III:lyrics from the liner notes of Under the Table and Dreaming.
      part IV: lyrics from the liner notes of Remember Two Things.

  Articles and interviews:  this is being maintained by clare clifford
   <cecliff@vt.edu> or <cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu>
  Tab file:  by ben sterling <nebuious@aol.com>
   ben has also kindly offered a free jar of mayonaisse with every file.
   as to whether he lives up to this offer, we'll have to see:):):):):):)
--------------------------------------
A-2b: What is The Warehouse?
The Warehouse is minarets.net's setlist file.  The file is being put 
together by Blake Campbell <cambp_c@cs.odu.edu>, and is currently not
well enough established to really be available for your perusal.  i'm
sure when it's done, though, he will post it, and then everyone will know.
--------------------------------------

A-3:  What other listservs are there?
The following bands have their own listservs.  To get a complete list
of instructions on how to get on any one of them, send a note to our
illustrious leader, Alex Crothers <jcrother@moose.uvm.edu> and he'll
be glad to set you up with a complete list of all of these band's 
listserv and snail instructions:

Allman Bros. Band
Big Head Todd and The Monsters
Blues Traveler
The Hatters (fomally known as the Mad Hatters)
HORDE.net
God Street Wine
Jambay
Mystery Jones
phish
Rusted Root
Samples
Santana
Soul Hat
Spin Doctors
Widespread Panic
 
==========================================================================
                   SECTION B:   BAND QUESTIONS
==========================================================================
B-1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band?

                    About the Dave Matthews Band

     The Dave Matthews Band draws on the widely varied musical interests
of five musicians to create a uniquely compelling pop sound that combines
the influences of folk, jazz, rock, world beat, and reggae.
     Dave Mathhews, the band's namesake and lead guitarist, began to ass-
emble the players in 1991 to accompany him on a demo tape of original 
songs.  Then a bartender at a Charlottesville, Va. jazz venue, Matthews
says he aimed high, approaching the musicians he respected most.
     Seasoned jazz players LeRoi Moore and Carter Beauford agreed to help
out.  The trio then approached Stefan Lessard, who at 16, was already an
accomplished upright bass player, about playing electric bass guitar for
the band.  When one of the tunes seemed to need violin, they enlisted
the string expertise of Boyd Tinsley, and a band was born.
     "Our music is written to be clear and simple," says Dave Matthews,
who is the band's cheif songwriter.  "It's pop music with a pretty posi-
tive message.  I hope it's accessible to everyone."
     Matthews says the band's vitality comes from the association of five
strong individuals, each with his own interpretation of a given song.  His 
band member agree.  "We take a lot of different influences and and make 
something new out of them by playing each song the best that we can play
it,"  LeRoi Moore says.  It is this belnd of influences that creates the
band's rich texture.

:   Dave Matthews (vocals, guitar)  is a self-taught, lifelong lover of 
music who left his native South Africa as a young child, returning ther
as a teenager after living in the United States and England.  He credits
his family with instilling in him an interest in music:  pop, rock, folk,
and classical.  Matthews draws from the folk traditions of many cultures
from around the globe, finding common themes among their complex rhythms.
For him, making music is about bringing people together, "lifting spirits."
Says Matthews:  "It's a good focus: to try to bring people together rather
than separate them."

:    Carter Beauford (drums) was born to play music.  The son of a jazz
trumpet player, he is himself a renowned musician, and has appeared regu-
larly on Black Entertainment Television's  "BET on Jazz with Ramsey Lewis."
"I was raised on jazz," says Beauford, whose jazz influence is evident in 
the makeup of the Dave Matthews Band.  "Except for Stefan's bass guitar, 
we're an acoustic band," he says.  "That comes from the early days of jazz,
and from the classical influence too."  The result is a multitextured
sound that offers new challenges to Beauford and the other band members.
"There are so many different elements in our music," he says.  "You really
can't put a lable on it, and that's why I love it so much." 

:    Stefan Lessard (bass guitar) is a musician whose age belies his talent.
An upright bass player who has played clubs since the age of 15, he was 
tapped by Matthews who "just had a feeling about him, his spirit, his sense
of music: it's so much beyond his years."  Lessard admits he feels lucky,
but his band members say it's talent, not luck, that has brought him so far
so soon.  "The best thing about this band," Lessard says, "is that you get
this potpourri of different styles."

:    LeRoi Moore (saxophone, et al) and Carter have been jazz compatriots 
for years, playing together at paying gigs and informal jam sessions.  
"Jazz is probably my main influence," admits Moore, who also has classical
training.  "But at this stage I don't really consider myself a jazz mu-
sician."  For him, the Dave Matthews Band remains a challenge because
there is room to explore, to respond to the expressions of the other four
players.  "I have plenty of space to improvise, to try new ideas," says
Moore, whom Matthews credits with arranging many of the songs he writes.
"It's almost better than a jazz gig."

:    Boyd Tinsley (violin, vocals) finds it strange sometimes that he 
abandonedthe reserved precision of classical violin for the spontaneity of
contemporary musical performance.  "This was an area that I hadn't explored
before," says Tinsley, who has been playing popular music since 1985.  
"When I'm really into the music, my whole body, my whole soul is into it."
The band's diverse roots are a great asset, Tinsley says.  "We're very Am-
erican, as Dave says.  Jazz, fiddle-style, rock, it's almost a melting pot
of American music."  The best thing, though, he says, is how much it matters
to the audience, and to the players.  "People are drawn to it," he says. 
"There's passion here."

                                            Coran Capshaw, Manager
                                            (804) 979-9695
===========================================
B-2.  What kind of equipment does the band use?

From: Graham Spice <gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9312140007.A27544-b100000@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>


In regards to equipment, Dave uses a Gibson SST Chet Atkins signature
model.  Boyd uses the Gallien-Krueger to power two 12" Mesa/Boogie speakers 
enclosed in one 1x12 cab with a metal grate, sometimes called RoadReady but
I don't think that this is the type here (you can tell by the covering of the 
cab itself).  Boyd also uses a Boss pedal for reverb, don't know the model
number other than it is a digital reverb, grey , with blue knobs.  As for
the bassist, he uses a Warwick bass, very nice if you know basses, I
think, for example, that I've seen his model here in a store in Nashville
for $3000+.  And that's only a 4-string.  The more strings, the more
money, but that doesn't matter because he only has 4.  Anyway, As for his
rack, I didn't really notice anything there important other than I know
that his cabs are SWR and am guessing that his bass power amplifier and
preamp are the same brand.  This is also VERY high-end stuff.  I think
that Carter uses DW pedals, but don't know about that.  Cymbal brands can
be seen.  Have no idea about the saxes or violin.  That's all I got for
that stuff.

--------------------
At the cd release party for Under the Table and Dreaming on Sept 27th,
Carter showed up with a new drum set.  If anyone knows any specifics,
please send me the info--rick.

===========================================

B-3. Peter Griesar: Who was he and why did he leave the band?
when the Dave Matthews Band originally got together in early 1992, they
had a keyboard player by the name of Peter Griesar.  Peter also played
harmonica on So Much to Day, What Would You Say, and some of the earliest
versions of Screaming From the Minarets.
nobody has asked Peter for sure as to why he decided to leave the band,
but dave has informed us that it was a decision made under the most 
amiable circumstances.  Dave also told us that peter had just gotten
a little too tired of the touring schedule.  i suppose asking Peter would
be the best thing, but he's not very easy to find.

=================================

B-4: Who is Tim Reynolds?
As many of you know, Tim Reynolds is credited with playing on four songs
on Remember Two Things, as well as the entirety of Under the Table and
Dreaming.  So who is he?  He's pretty much just a freind of Dave's from
Charlottesville.  Tim has been playing guitar for longer than some of us
on this net have been alive, and Dave really has taken a liking for Tim's
ability to spice up his (Dave's, that is) music.

Dave and Tim have also done acoustic shows together.  There's several
of them out there, and by the next time this is revised, i should have
a listing of all of them.  At this point, the only shows that come to my
mind are 11-29-93 at James Madison University and 12-12-93 at The Movie
Palace in Charlottesville.  There's also the Birchmere show that is 
highlighted on the Recently ep, but i'm not positive of the date on that.
i know it's sometime in February of 1993.  Check your copy of Recently :).

Also to note are a few shows where Tim plugged in his electric guitar and
sat in with the band.  These include the Miguel Valdez benefit show (see
question #B5) and 12-8-93 and 12-9-93.

Tim has a couple of cd's available, and is currently heading up the C-ville
band known as TR3.  Keep an eye out.

=================================

B-5:  Who is Miguel Valdez?
The specifics to this question are a bit beyond me at this point, but i'll
work on getting a definitive answer.  Miguel Valdez was a percussionist 
from the Charlottesville area who used to make frequent stops to the Dave
Matthews stage with a rather elaborate set of bongos.  In early 1993, however
Miguel died.  This is where the specifics seem to elude me.  I don't really
know much else.  If you do, please let me know.

=================================

B-6: Who are some of these other regulars jammin with the band?

Greg Howard:  Greg plays an instrument known as the Chapman Stick.
it's a very unique instrument with a very unique sound.  
His most prominent work with the band are the touches he added to
the studio recording of "Seek Up" on the cd "Remember Two Things",
but he also played with the band the week of July 7th, 1993, when
Stefan cut his hand and was unable to perform.  He was also the
guest performer between sets at TRAX on 9-7-93.

>Date: Sat, 6 Nov 93 12:24:34 est
>From: Grilled Cheese <SPICE@dickinson.edu> (Reid Spice)
>To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
>Subject: Greg Howard

He plays a bass that stands up on end (like a regular acoustic bass
you'd see in a classy jazz band or an orchestra or something).  However, it's
much more thin and, as I recall, it had 10 strings.  4 of the strings seemed
to be low strings and probably in the same arrangement as a bass (E, A, D,
G).  Then there were 5 strings on the other side that were an octave higher.
The amazing thing is that he plays both sets of strings at the same time by
fretting the strings really hard.  The sound is really rich and the man can
really jam by himself.  

Reid -SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU

>From Brett Horton, stu_behorton@vax1.acs.jmu.edu:
Greg Howard:  The man is incredible.
I was lucky  enough to catch him at Trax on 9/7/93.  He played for 
about a half hour between DMB sets and was fantastic.  It was truly 
amazing to watch him play the Chapman Stick and I would strongly 
encourage anyone to check him out if you get the chance sometime.  
At this show he also played with a drummer, Johnny Newman, I think 
was his name and they meshed well.  Supposedly Newman has played 
with DMB too.  Anyone know anything about this?  Anyway, after the 
show I bought Greg Howard's Cd which they were selling at the show.
Its super and I would highly recommend it.  You might have difficulty
finding it in local record stores but here's the adress they give on 
the cd sleeve.   Espresso

             P.O. Box 4051
             Charlottesville, VA  22903

The title of the cd is "Stick Figures"
Greg also released a cd early in '94 entitled "Shapes"

Brett
------------------------------------------------------

Richard Harding:  If you can find any of his shows, check this
guy's flute work out.  He played at TRAX, 11-2-93 and really gave
Warehouse a nice touch, as well as giving some of the body which
Lover Lay Down lost when Peter left the band.

|From Gregg Carrier, stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu:
On the flute...Richard Harding is his name and he's a really nice guy.  I saw
him at my first DMB show a little over a year ago, but Tuesday was the first
time I met him.  He also like to play with various bands out in his
residence of California, so if your on the west coast, keep an eye out.

-------------------------------------------------------

Kristin Asbury: Kristin is a singer from the C-ville circut who has 
sung with the Dave Matthews Band a few times, particularly known for
helping out with vocals on Angel From Montgomery.  She also sang for
the short-lived Alma Madre, as well as Charlottesville All-Stars,
which was a hodge-podge of c-ville musicians including, but not
limited to, Carter, LeRoi, Boyd, Doug Wannamaker, Miguel Valdez,
and many others.

------------------------------------------------

Doug Wannamaker:  Doug plays Hammond organ and i'm not really sure
what he's doing with himself these days.  He's another one of these
artists who would just show up at Dave band shows with his organ and
sit-in for the night.  Doug was a member of Indecision, and then helped
put together the now-defunct Alma Madre.

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                 SECTION C:   MUSIC QUESTIONS
========================================================================
C-1: What cd's are available by the Dave Matthews Band?
the band put out it's first cd on Nov 9, 1993 entitled Remember Two 
Things with the following songs on it:

Ants Marching/Tripping Billies/Recently/Satellite/One Sweet World/The Song
That Jane Likes/Minarets/Seek Up/I'll Back You Up/Christmas Song.

The only studio cuts on this cd were Minarets and Seek Up.  The rest were
recorded live at TRAX in Charlottesville, the Flood Zone in Richmond, and
The Muse in Nantucket, RI.  The cd was produced by John Alagia (who also
has a musical act of his own called Derryberry and Alagia, and can be seen
in the DC area).
Tim Reynolds can be heard on Minarets, Seek Up, I'll Back You Up, and 
Christmas Song, and Greg Howard can be heard on Minarets.


In early spring of 1994, the band put out an ep which had the following:
Recently (radio edit)
Warehouse (acoustic, recorded live at the Birchmere)
Dancing Nancies (same)
All Along the Watchtower (recorded live at TRAX on 2-22-94)
Halloween (same)

To the best of my knowledge, this cd is still available through bama rags
records.

On Sep 27, 1994, the band put out its first major label release (RCA), 
entitled Under the Table and Dreaming.  You can find these songs on it:
Best of What's Around/What Would You Say/Satellite/Rhyme and Reason/
Typical Situation/Dancing Nancies/Ants Marching/Lover Lay Down/Jimithing/
Warehouse/Pay for What You Get/#34

you can hear Tim Reynolds on each and every one of these songs.  The 
reason behind the repitition of Satellite and Ants Marching on both
full length cd's remains a mystery to the entirety of Minarets.net.

-If your local store doesn't know about DMB, you can order the disk and/or
poster directly from Bama Rags Records at (804) 979-9695. However, it will be
much appreciated (even if you order direct) if you'll tell your local stores
about the band and ask them to get some copies to sell. They can call Bama
Rags directly to do so.

--------------------------------------------
C-2. #34   (see note)
#34 is a very beautiful, very laid back ballad that seems very reminescent
to Satellite.  Dave wrote the song in memory of Miguel Valdez who used to
jam with the band on a regular basis.  Miguel, who was a member of Afrikan
Drum Fest, died in the spring or early summer of 1993. (see q. B5)
---------------------------------------------
C-3. #36    (see note)
#36 is a total funkin' jam fest.  It's about a slain South African member
of the anti-apartheid movement by the name of Chris Hani.  No two versions
of the song are alike, and Dave seems particularly fond of the song.  He
also really likes to see his audience groove to this song, so be prepared
to dance.

note:  the logic behind these song titles is very simple: they are the 
 34th and 36th song which dave wrote.  as to whether this is counting every
 song he's ever written, or just the ones that he and the band have worked 
 out, is unknown.

------------------------------------
C-4: Dancing Nancies quotes:
Here are some of the more provacative and interesting introduction
quotes to dancing nancies:
"Could I have been... the king of diarhea?"  
     11-9-93 TRAX, c-ville va
"Could I have been... mugged somewhere in Norfolk?"
     11-26-93 Peppermint Beach Club, Va Beach Va

>From Ben Sterling:
    3/26/94 Irving Plaza NY, NY

could i have been... parking lot attendant
could i have been... a taxi driver and washing (in washing[ton]?)
could i have been... lost in the big bad city
could i have been... your little brother
could i have been... anyone other than me?

    12/31/93 Richmond Marriott Richmond, VA

could i have been... parking lot attendant
could i have been... a millionaire somewhere
could i have been... lost in a crowd of a thousand
could i have been... your little sister

from Rich Prisinzano
hey just thought i would post what i have so far in the what dave could have
been category....... i know there has to be more out there....

a parking lot attendant
his little brother...
a policeman Va. Beach.....
mugged somewhere in Norfolk (while playing in Va. Beach, Norfolk area)
the president with diarrea...
your little sister....
doctor, spreading good....
wating at your door step...
Caught in public in my underwear???
Bartending at Millers???
Oh so embarrassed???
A millionaire in Bel Aire
grease man from richmond
a whore, give my your money, your money
could i have been... parking lot attendant
could i have been... taxi driver and washing (confusing line...
                     maybe it's taxi driver in washing[ton])
could i have been... lost in the big bad city
could i have been... anyone other than me
"could I have been, a born-again Christian...could I have been, oh, they're
all pain-in-the-asses..."

at providence, RI, oct 10, 1994:
could i have been, lost somewhere in providence
                    
---------------------------------------------
C-5.  Halloween?
The question mark is a key factor here.  Everyone has a different 
interpretation of Halloween Song, but one thing is for sure: it's
a love song.  But it also seems to be a hate song.  
According to Chris Tetselli of Red Light Management, the 
officially published lyrics would be:
   Love....
   Love....
   Love....
   Love....
Make your own guesses....or maybe just zone into the music and enjoy.
----------------------------------------------
C-6: What's Tripping Billies all about?
Dave has described during a couple of shows that Tripping Billies is
about a late evening on a South Afican beach.  Turns out that Dave had
done a little too much of a particular substance that's controlled here
in the U.S. (and in South Africa, i suppose) and was lying out on the
beach on a beach towel.  When a police officer (referred to as billies
in some english speaking countries such as Australia and England) 
approached Dave, he handed the towel over to the officer with the mistaken
impression that he was handing a loaded gun over to the officer.  

Didn't yer mom ever tell you to stay away from drugs?? :):):):)
----------------------------------------------
C-7.  What songs have the band covered?
This is the current list of the songs that the band has covered
in the past:
All Along the Watchtower    Jimi Hendrix
2001/dueling banjos jam (always as an intro to Ants Marching)
Angel From Montgomery       John Prine
The Redemption Song         Bob Marley
Exodus                      Bob Marley
Nature                      The Samples
The Eyes of the Maker       Daniel Lanois  (hasn't been done since Peter left)
Me & Julio                  Paul Simon
Sweet Home Alabama          Lynyrd Skynyrd (also an Ants Marching intro)
Sympathy for the Devil      Stones
Tangerine                   Zeppelin

==============================================
C-8: how come they don't play <?> anymore?
a: People, People:
this rather obscure song was written by former keyboardist Peter 
Griesar (q. B3), and when he left, Dave didn't feel appropriate
playing the song anymore.  Dave has, however, said that he would
like to see the song appear on a cd someday.
b:  So Much to Say
consensus has it that this song lost so much with Peter's exit that
Dave found problems playing it, too.  It had fairly extensive keys
in the chorus and was usually introduced with a fairly rippin' harmonica
solo by Peter.
c:  Drive In, Drive Out
This, believe it or not, is one of Dave's favorite tunes.  He's kind of
saving it, as far as i know, for when he's really worked it out into
a song that he's proud of.
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                   SECTION D:  TAPING QUESTIONS
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     Section D: Tape Questions
D1. LIVE RECORDING: can i? what equipment do i need?
D2. TAPES: what REALLY high qual tapes are around? where?
D3. TAPE TREE: what is it? how does it work? should i do one?
D4. TAPELIST: what is it? what's in it? do i need one?
D4B: TRADE: What is a tape trade? how do i get into one?
D4C: BEGINNER tape trades, adopt a phreak, reverse grovels
     Section E: Dubbing hints, suggestions
E4: PATCHING IN etiquette (needs to be answered!!)
E5: DCC and DAT compared and considered
=================================================
**********   SECTION D: TAPE QUESTIONS 
TOPICS: recording, finding tapes, tape trees, tapelists,
abbreviations, dubbing, dolby & dbx.
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D1. LIVE RECORDING: can i? what equipment do i need?
For the most part, The Dave Matthews Band is very receptive to
taping.  The general way to go about it at this point is to
walk to the front door of the venue and ask permission.  Usually
you will be allowed to, but it's best to arrive early to avoid being
shut out by a preponderance of tapers.  A member of the net was once
promised by the band's soundman that there would always be a sbd feed
of some sort available, but there's no telling whether or not RCA is
going to override this promise.

What do I need to bring and do when I want to tape a concert?

Courtesy of Chris Buford cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu:

Equipment
1. Tape deck (obviously) 
   (at this point, if you have a portable deck with it's own
    power source, you should go ahead and make use of it.  things
    are getting quite crowded in the dmb taper's station.)
2. RCA cables 
3. Flashlight 
4. Extension cord or (preferably) a 6 outlet strip 
5. Pen 
6. Paper for setlists and trading phone#s, addresses, etc. 
7. Something to carry most of the shit in 
8. Blank tapes (more than you think you'll need) 
9. "Y" jacks if possible

If you arrive late you can use these to split the soundboard signal so you
don't get cut off by other decks.

Hints:
Arrive early, like really early. . . . You'll get a better feed, you can
get yourself set up while the house lights are still on, and it really
annoys other tapers when you run in during the first song and try to hook
up. 

Hang around your deck. Letting your tape run out and killing someone
else's signal is the rudest thing possible. Always flip when you think its
neccesary. 

Watch out for other people's equipment, etc. If you take care of others,
they'll take care of you. If you think someone needs to flip or needs a
new tape, ask others around you what the best option is; most likely it'll
be a joint effort to make sure that both you and the guy who forgot get 
good tapes. 

Be prepared for "Hey man, did ya tape the show, can I give you my address,
phone #, etc." Write out your address/phone# a few times and just give it
to these people and tell them to get in touch with you, it makes life a
lot easier. 

And the final, NEVER TO BE BROKEN, rule of taping, you MUST listen to the
show in the car on the ride home, no matter what. We call this Blake's
rule [this is in reference to Chris's friend Blake Campbell]. Any other
suggestions from tapers out there? 

Enjoy and I hope everyone gets good tapes. . . .

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D2. TAPES: what REALLY high qual tapes are around? where?
{In Phish.faq.file, this questions serves the purpose of      }
{telling what really great show are on tape, and circulating. }
{With the current status of DMB tapes being very vague, this  }
{question is currently unanswered.  If you can suggest a      }
{specific show to add to this list, send to Rick Thompson     }
{stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu.                               }
Some particular shows to keep an eye out for are van Ryper's 92,
11-17-92/TRAX, 3-23-93/TRAX, and 10-26-93/TRAX.

Blake Campbell is currently working on the Warehouse, which will
serve as the minarets.net's setlist file.  someone also volunteered
recently to put together a file specifically geered towards answering 
this question, something sorta like phish.net's helping phreindly book.

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D-3: TAPE TREE: what is it? how does it work? should i do one?
Note: send tree-pholk list info to Gregg at
STU_GJCARRIE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
|From Lee Silverman  <ST101137@brownvm.brown.edu>:  A Tape Tree is
a way of distributing a popular tape to a large number of people.
 By using a tape tree, rather than having one person make 75
copies of a tape, everyone gets their tapes faster & there's much
less work involved for the owner of the tapes.
  The basic Premise is this:  I have a tape that everyone wants.
So I post to the net, saying that I'm running a tree.  In that
post I include a form for people to fill out & send back to me.
(most  of the info on these forms gets used, so always fill out
the whole thing) After about a week of waiting, I compile all the
replies into a "tree," where I arrange to make copies for 5 or so
people. Each of those 5 people is given a list of 5 other people
whom they are to make tapes for.  Each of them makes copies for 5
people, & so on depending on how big the tree is.
  Usually the people who are higher up in trees are the people
with the best taping equipment, so the tapes lose less of their
sound quality.  If you are on a tree you have one or two
responsibilities:  The first is to get the tapes (this applies to
everyone).  You do this by either sending blanks to, or trading
with, the person above you.  (Whether you send blanks or trade
generally has little to do with your placement within the tree).
The second responsibility you *may* have will be to copy the
tapes for a certain number of other people.  They may either
trade with you or just send blanks.  At that point your role in
the tree has been fulfilled.
   If you want specific info on how to set up a tree, write Lee
<Pandion@Brown.edu> for some suggestions.

{Phish specific material deleted}

     Other things to consider:  1) Like it or not, there are some
slackers on the net; expect that there may some problems, and
that no tree will run perfectly smoothly, then be ready to patch
lost branches to parents with a small burden.  2) Try to make
your tree run well anyway, to preserve netiquette and tape
quality, not to mention trust and credibility of and on the net
process. Lee and Ellis are willing to give suggestions, at least,
if not administrative help.  3) Running a tree does involve some
time, not only to create the tree -- which itself could involve
assimilation and organization of a hundred or more names and
addresses, and being sure that those addresses and the tree links
get hooked to the right people -- but to make tapes for the
branches, settle any problems that arise, deal with orphaned
leaves, etc.  Remember, there is a difference between the person
administrating, the person rooting, and the person seeding the
tree. 4) The tree administrator is not the only person with
responsibilities; as Lee said, everyone on the tree is
responsible for his sections, and may at some point be asked to
help out with stragglers, orphans, and late comers; there is no
pressure, but there will be requests.  5) If you have a great
tape(s) but not the experience, time, understanding, or interets
to run a tree, you could ROOT your tapes to someone who IS ready
to run the tree.  Just post a note to the net (mail to
phish@phish.net) with the subject "Need Adm for <date> tree".
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D-4: TAPELIST: what is it? what's in it? do i need one?
     A tapelist gives relevant info about boots you have.
     A tapelist is useful for two reasons: to let you keep up
with what you have (which assumes that you have more than a
handful of boots) & to make it easier to let others see what you
have (which assumes that you might one day be interested in
trading for other tapes.)  That is, even if you dont think one of
these items is useful to have on your list, you ought to at least
be able to give the relevant info on any particular tape.
     There is no consensus on form, order, or meaning (esp
generation determination); Ellis tried very hard to find one.
BTW, number gens how you want & be prepared to explain your
standarization; there is no *right* answer.  But, important info
for each tape might include any or all of the following:
band/performer [mostly phish, of course:)], date, set(s), venue,
location of venue, source (FM broadcast, audience, soundboard,
monitor feed, suzy-Q, studio, board remix), generation (you
define!), whether the original was digital, whether your copy is
on metal, whether your copy has been dolby-ized, some form of
grading (try A, B, C; + or - for hiss & noise; try to be strict,
it'll come to you), & any other comments (eg first {Granny}, only
show with {an acoustic Tripping Billies, etc).
    A note on subjectivity: There is a difference between tape
quality and performance quality. You may want two systems, both
numbered, both lettered, one letters and the other suffixes
(+,-,=,*,etc) or whatever works for you. Just be sure that you
know what it is and that you can decipher it for anyone who asks.

{Phish specific material deleted}

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D-4B: What is a trade?
You dub a tape & pay for postage; someone else does the same.
(or, you might just send blanks; see D4 and D4C). The two of you
discuss quality, length, choices, whatever you want beforehand, &
mail to each other.  This is the way that most tapes get spread
out across the globe, though most tapes made are probably the
dubs off of trades.  One netter who currently has 160hrs, for
instance, got 140 of those hours by net trade.
| From: Pat Loughery <patlo@microsoft.com> Sep 23 21:09:37 EDT
| 1993
    answers inserted by Ellis of Lemuria
| What's the best way to go about setting up trades with other
| net.phish heads?
    talk to them on email or meet them at shows. you can grovel
or respond to discussion of tapes (but see below), but you can
also just talk with folks about their favorite songs and versions
and shows, on email or irc or the phone or in lots at shows, and
eventually you'll run into the knowledge of someone's having
something you want. thats much better than just copying
everything you can get your hands on.
| I've arranged a half-dozen or so trades mostly by responding to
| posted grovels, but how do the "old-timers" in this group go
| about it?
    many people have known each other for months or even years
through the net and just get in contact every now and then to
trade lists again. keep track of with whom you trade and check in
with them again in 4, 6, or 8 months. You'll be surprised!
| Do you just pick out somebody at random and send them mail
| soliciting a trade?  That seems almost rude, but how do you
| run into more experienced folks with big tapelists other than
| through pure chance?  Picking up specific shows seems as easy
| as waiting for somebody to mention that they have it, or
| posting a specific request, but what if I just want more live
| {DMB} in general?
    You can just send a request for that show if you want, but if
it's old, very recent, rare, or good quality... actually, with
just about any tape given the current size of the net, there are
bound to be many others doing the same thing.  If every mention
of a tape gets mail responses of 30 requests for that tape, the
net is going to see a HUGE loss of discussions of tapes people
have. That is, if netiquette cant keep up with growth of the net,
the net is going to experience some qualitative losses.
    If you do it, make an offer in your first mailing, rather
than a general "can I have it" question. Send your list with a
few suggestions at the top; dont just suggest something, cause if
the person has it, he may ignore your request. Dont expect an
answer immediately, and BY ALL MEANS dont hound for an answer;
even that takes time. It may not happen the same day or week; may
take two weeks, but after that you should try again or forget it.
================================================
D-4C: How can a beginner get tapes?
Sometimes, it seems hard to get something from nothing, but
you've got a few things going for you. First of all, the
generosity of folks on the net.  Watch the net for periodic
"beginner tape offers" and "reverse tape grovels." Details
relevant to each are usually explained with the posting. It might
involve trading, but will probably just require you to send money
or blanks and postage. There's also the possibility to be a leaf
on a tree even if you dont have tapes; in fact, that's a great
place to be on a tree!
And, hey! If you have many tapes (over 50? 100!? 200!?!) post a
message and offer this service to the first five, ten, or fifteen
folks that respond. Have them send you blanks and tape some of
your best for them! You'll be glad you did!

{Phish specific material deleted}

=======================================================

**********   SECTION E: TAPE QUESTIONS 
TOPICS:  patching in and the differences between dat
         and dcc.
=======================================================
In general netiquette trading terms, the following seem
standards, or at least safe bases for order: Mail cassette cases
unless you've agreed otherwise. Don't use dolby unless you've
agreed otherwise (since it cant be undone). Write on the back of
the cassette labels slip unless you've mentioned or asked about
writing on the J-cards. Knock out tabs after recording.  And
REUSE YOUR MAILING ENVELOPES!! Them suckers take up landfill
space like... well... something voluminous!
=======================================================

{*****DUE to the technicality of sections E-1 through E-4 of the     }
{     Phish.FAQ, I've decided not to include it here.  If you are    }
{     interested in learning more about this topic(levels, azimuth   }
{     adjustment, and dolby specifics), the Phish.FAQ can be         }
{     requested at phish-archives@phish.net                          }
{                                   -Rick                            }

{Question E-4 is a more or less Phish specific question, but the     }
{ethics of the question do apply to taping the Dave Matthews Band.   }
{Please send your answers/suggestions directly to                    }
{Ellis of Lemuria, jeg5s@virginia.edu.                               }

========================================================
E-4: PATCHING IN etiquette (not answered yet)
We need input from tapers (to jeg5s@virginia.edu) to construct an
answer to this.  I realize that there are enormous demands, and
far too little thanks, laid at the feet of tapers, but I also
realize that many of them, at one time or another, have only been
able to patch in. So... what's ok?
From: Pat Loughery <patlo@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu Sep 23 21:09:37 EDT 1993
|I'm considering the purchase of a DAT deck to tape at Phish and
|other shows, now that I've realized how fun it is to have live
|music around the house.  What's the etiquette involved in
|patching into somebody else's deck who has a better setup than
|you?  Or into a soundboard?  Is it considered appropriate only to
|patch into somebody that you know, or can you just go up to a
|random taper or soundboard guy and ask him/her if you can patch
|into his stuff?
=========================================================
E-5: DCC and DAT, compared and considered
From: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jens Rodenberg)
Subject: Re: New DAT Format Question
Date: Mon Oct 11 14:49:11 EDT 1993
SBGOND@BNLDAG.AGS.BNL.GOV (JOHN-SONDERICKER) writes:
|       Hey has anybody used or bought the new digital tape
| format type decks?  [some text deleted...]  Does this deck
| sound as good as a DAT?
I think it may be time for a new FAQ entry... :-)
Both DCC (Digital Compact Cassette by Philips) and MD (Mini Disc
by Sony)  use a lossy compression method.  Not all of the
original signal will be retained when making copies onto DCC or
MD.  Whether or not it is audibly noticeable may depend on many
things, such as the compression and decompression algorithms, the
audio equipment, or the listener.  The music is also likely to
deteriorate as it goes through multiple generations.  For a
digital format, I believe that this is totally unacceptable.
Quality of good music should not be sacrificed when not
necessary.  At the moment, DAT is the only format (besides PCM
which is somewhat obsolete now) that allows accurate digital
reproduction at a reasonable price, and I recommend DAT over DCC
or MD.  The prices of DAT decks and tapes are generally
comparable or cheaper than DCC or MD, and either (or both) DCC or
MD will probably die out soon.  As Philips has recently said in a
DCC ad: "Your music will never be the same!"  I couldn't have
said that better myself!  Go DAT!!! 
|Are DAT decks soon to be a thing of the past?
Soon?  No- DAT is entrenched in the professional and high-end
consumer market.  Eventually?  Yes- once mass storage technology
drastically improves.  That should take a while though, so don't
put off buying a DAT deck waiting for that...         Jens
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Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 5:16 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Wake Forest show....

Not to much to add to previous posts except for the chapel was avery cool 
setting, especially with the lights, it made carter look like a god...

Word to the wise: when in North Carolina don't pass a cop even if your 
just going 70 and make sure all the beer from the nite before is out of 
your system or you will end up at Mocksville county jail for four hours 
trying to post a $500 bail bond. 

Get in Line is defintely growing on me fast, anyone tried to transcribe 
it yet?

Gotta go latr......

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Posted By: JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU
Time/Date: 5:26 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: a monicker for the growing masses

	I can't remember when it was posted or who posted it, but last week
someone had the great idea to start a search for a little label for
we-the-fans-of-Dave that doesn't include "head" after the Band's name.  Here's
a new slant on it for everybody.  Why don't we all add the name Matthews to our
own with one of those fashionable little hyphen things you see so much of
today?  Something like Jeff Peters-Matthews and Rick Thompson-Matthews.  Let me
know what you think.

		oh yeah, was Michael Stipe really at the Athens show last
month?  That's pretty damn cool.  Does anyone out there share my opinion that
he and Dave look a lot alike?  Especially with Stipe's new hairdo.  Check out
the photo spread of REM in Rolling Stone from a couple of weeks ago and see
what you think.
			jeff peters-matthews


Posted By: cbutkus@vt.edu
Time/Date: 6:10 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject:

        Can anybody help me out with some information?  I recieved the DMB 
news letter in the mail a couple of days ago.  It said that Dave was playing 
in Wash. D.C. on Dec. 30, right before he plays in Richmond.  Does anybody 
know where the show is and how to get tickets for this show? Thanks a lot 
for your help!

Chris


Posted By: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
Time/Date: 6:38 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Anything.

 Hey all. this is the resident Minaret nut comin' at ya. have a few
things of Davey relevance. first, we chose DMB as a band to love they
didn't choose us. the music attracts hippie types 'cause its so damn
groovy, G. DMB's manager Mr. Capshaw bought the whole band tickets to
RFK for the DEAD last summer. it would have been their first show
ever( except for bagby of course ) and guess what? no one got
motivated enough to go in!! oh well. the nite they tickets they had
to play at the Bayou. sooo..what i'm trying to say is DMB did'nt try
to cater to any type of live music goer. they are just peace loving
people at heart and we hippie type granola tree huggin sons of
bitches can feel this thru their music, so we keep comin' back. my
thoughts are a little scatterd but its hard to explain yourself when
you can't use your hands and facial gnarlies to express yo'self.
soooo..HERE WE GO, GO..NO MORE..AINT NOBODY GONNA STOP"--Janes A.

let me try this again. the crowd at DMB shows will always be pretty
diverse 'cause the music and the band are diverse within itself. look
at 'em. they're a bunch of freaks. i overheard a conversation once at
the flood zone...
           ( Boyd came out decked in cowboy hat,boots and that suede
jacket with tassels...)

      person one " who does that guy think he is, some sort of cowboy
violinist or something?"

      person two " no, thats Boyd Tinsley!!!"



he needs no other description.same goes for the rest of the band.
they are exellent entertainers and people like to have fun at the
expense of someone on a stage to set the mood for fun...... I saw
Metallica and we chanted "DIE" for 5 minutes during their song
"creeping death". people around me were way into it and i feared for
my life that Metallica would melt us all and eat us. but god damn it
was fun to be scared of four people with guitars and such. i am
ultimately rambling.hope someone enjoys this. anyway,people want to
be entertained and people are people and people are all different so
shows will always be different. hell, everyday is different depending
on how you view it. or you can view life as Jim Morrison did. as one
LOOOONGGG day full of inevitable surprises. okay... so lets go out there
and get 'em tigers... DMB IS a mainstream pop,world band. but the music was
not dictated to them. it came from them and we know this 'cause we
heard song evolution ourselves,so lets all chill and smoke a fatty to
the success of our friends and hope they are enjoying their ride in
this life. think about it. just the existence of Dave Matthews Band
has brought so many people together. i've met a few really cool and
spiritual people thru this net and have only been subscribed for a
few weeks! how? cause of a common thread of grooviness. there is this
sorda modern thought i have heard in the voices in my head lately...

 some day there will be no idols or people to entertain. we will all
realize that every creature of planet earth are all equal in spirit. we
won't need concerts or plays or pets or movies or television to help us
celebrate life. LIFE will be the celebration. and we will gather for
no other reason then the Pure love that beams out of all us.
then one day the maker will free of us our "looking" manisfestation and
we will all realize that nothing matters. that NOTHING is everything.
      and we will join the spirit world.......


there my minds starts to slip reality and this computer starts to
make no sense to my hands. god i hate inhibitions. i want to scream
and jump around this room like a coyote-monkey, but people would look
at me weird. some might even run. o.k. enuff for me.

now heres something of relevance.
that new jam Dave is playing(debut at the horsey center)
i named it " Violet Ivy "
the reason being the way Fenton was working the lights and the
colors. made me think of that name. anyway, its just one of those
temporary taper names until Daves brain thinks of one. if anyone
likes it, use it. fuck it. Daves getting big , but we still rule the
underground. Peace.


                  thick confusion,nappy hair and lovers,

                               CHA  |||
                                    * *
                                     ^
                                    (O)


Posted By: rrathod@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 10:55 PM Saturday, November 12, 1994
Subject: Question

How do I get files like the DMB Guitar Tabulature File?

Thanks

Rahul
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