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Posted By: arivera@unix.cc.emory.edu
Time/Date: 12:56 AM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: Subscribe

Subscribe. arivera@emory.edu.


Posted By: ABCDan@aol.com
Time/Date: 4:07 AM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: GSW Transcript

Sorry for the cross-posting.  Hope you don't mind, but I just want to get
this out...

For all you God Street Wine fans out there, the transcript of the live
conference that the band did on America Online is now available in the
library for the ABC Auditorium.  If you can get logged into an AOL account,
you can get it by using the keyword ABC Auditorium and then clicking on the
Transcript Library.  It's a great read and really carries the flow of the
event.


Posted By: dmckech1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 2:04 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: 10-7-94 RR/DMB show

G'day:

        Can anyone fill in a setlist for me on the 10-7-94 Pittsburgh show
with Rusted Root and DMB? Email me if you can. Thanks

Dave


David McKechnie
dmckech1@cc.swarthmore.edu
___________________________________________________________________
Toronto Blue Jays: World Series Champions 1992, 1993..........
Toronto Maple Leafs: Keep the faith; Lord Stanley will be here soon
"A mortal, born of woman, few of days and full of trouble" Job 14:1
"If Miles could do it stoned we have to be able to do it sober."
                                         - my bass player
UCC Blues: OFSAA Hockey Champs 1992, 1994
Proud member of the McKechnie Victim of Violent Crime Support Group.


Posted By: gottlieb@bu4090.barry.edu
Time/Date: 2:18 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: MTV, DOS, and 10/10/93

To all net-people,


     I was channel surfing last night and I came across an MTV news
item on the Dave Matthews Band.  They presented them well, I think,
but I thought it was a little odd to see them on MTV.  I mean it would be 
great if the exposure could bring them around to places that they 
normally wouldn't go, like South Florida(I'm so selfish), but didn't
MTV/Radio pick up the Spin Doctors and run with them too?  Not that there 
is any comparison, mind you.  Just a thought...

     Also, what can anyone tell me about the Dave Matthews Band DOS disk,
and does anyone have the set list from 10/10/93?  I have some filler
on my tapes which makes labelling confusing.


Thanks,


Adam

gottlieb@bu4090.barry.edu


Posted By: JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU
Time/Date: 3:08 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: ROOT

hey all,
	hope everyone had a groovy holiday.  While I was home i picked up
Rusted Root's "When I Woke" and I'm convinced.  They are definitely one hell of
a groovin' bunch of pittsburg-ains! (pittsburg-ers?)  I just want to know if
anyone out there has heard their first cd which they advertise inside the new
disc.  Is it worth picking up?  I'd also love to get a hold of some live stuff
especially one of the shows where they jammed with Dave on minarets.  If anyone
can help me out I'd love to set up a trade.  e-mail me and I'll send you a copy
of my tapelist.
	jeff-boutros boutros-peters

ps= has anyone on the net ever heard of a group called Moxy Fruvous?  If you
dig They Might Be Giants and the Barenaked Ladies, see if you can get your
hands on their album "Bargainville."  They're a semi-a capella group from
toronto and I think you can only get the disc up north in canada.  If there's
anyone on the net who lives north of the border, let me know 'cause I'd like to
get a copy of the cd instead of the fuzzy copy of a copy of a copy that I have
now.


Posted By: grayp@pinn.net
Time/Date: 4:26 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: indecision & new years alternative

friday night, indecision jammed.
as hard if not harder than i have ever seen before.
hopefully they will get together more often.

speaking of which, on nye for those of you who don't want to spend $50.

indecision & echos farm are playing at the fry springs beach club (same 
place as friday) on nye.
the cost is $20 which includes beer, food, and mixers.
you may bring whatever kind of bottle you wish, if you wish.

somehow, they let indecision play until 3 on friday and i expect the same 
may be true on nye.


--
I'm not from here, I just live here.


Posted By: 50OGLESBY@CUA.EDU
Time/Date: 7:50 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: Widespread Panic in Baltimore,MD

hey now,
i just thought that i would inform y'all of a mix-up in advertising for
a widespread panic show in baltimore at hammerjack's. it seems as though
advertisements in d.c. said that the show was scheduled for 12/26, when in 
fact it was last night(11/26). i am sorry for all those who missed it. i 
almost didn't get to go because of the false advertising, but got in for
free to the sold out show. thanks to whoever gave me the ticket! nedless
to say, wp rocked. i am getting the tapes next week. any spreadheads out there
in dmb land?

		jonathan oglesby


Posted By: SKGio@aol.com
Time/Date: 8:45 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: DMB

Please put me back on the mailing list.  Thanks, SKGio


Posted By: messierb@ucsuc.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 8:52 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: 11/11/94 Tree

Sorry to waste all the bandwith with this agian BUT...

I fucked up once agian, more than a few times on this tree and people 
look like they never got on it.  Here is a corrected version, if I still 
have mistakes please yell at me to get them fixed.  Hopefully everyone 
has gooten in touch with there parents or kids, if not PLEASE DO SO ASAP.

Here is the structure for the 11/11/94 Dave Tree.  Please contact the 
person directly above you on the tree ASAP, that is who you will get your 
tapes from.  I have a feeling it may end up quite confusing looking, so 
drop me a line with any questions

BIG THANKS go out ot Dan for getting me the seed from this show!

DAN
	MESSIERB@UCSUC.COLORADO.EDU
		WIFOY@DAVIDSON.EDU
			ERCONLEY@DAVIDSON.EDU
			KEVTAD@AOL.COM
			BEAMER@EMAIL.UNC.EDU
			L_LECLAI@TURING.UNCG.EDU
		MALACHI@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
			DTIDWELL@AOL.COM
			LMORGAN@UCLINK.BERKELEY.EDU
			MATT@ARBUTUS.STANFORD.EDU
			MCLONEY@UCSD.EDU
		LONGMIRE@UCSUC.COLORADO.EDU
			IAN@LAMAR.COLOSTATE.EDU
			JJTHOMPS@MINES.COLORADO.EDU
			MCELVAIN@UCSU.COLORADO.EDU
		AWP3@COLUMBIA.EDU
			MFB14@COLUMBIA.EDU
			ANDYNYC@PANIX.COM
		NPD7Y@POE.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU
			EJE3U@PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU
			DWP7A@WATT.SEAS.VIRGINIA.EDU
			AWN7U@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU
			SHANHOP@AOL.COM
		SSEREMET@EMBA.UVM.EDU
			NICOLLE.P.HANEMAN@DARTMOUTH.EDU
			LBASSIN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU
			JSLAGHT@DREW.EDU
			MGCORR@COLBY.EDU
		KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU
			TOOLEMD@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU
			HAUSER@CHEM.UFL.EDU
			THOMASL175@AOL.COM
			GT7672A@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
			ARABELLA@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU
	ALLGOOD@UMICH.EDU
		DMCKECH1@CC.SWATHMORE.EDU
			DSACKER@SCCS.SWATHMORE.EDU
			BULLARD@CORAL.BUCKNELL.EDU
			VAUGHT@UX5.CSO.UIUC.EDU
			MIAH@MERLE.ACNA.NWU.EDU
		KLEMMAO4@WFU.EDU
			PETERKE3@WFU.EDU
			FOSTEC14@WFU.EDU
			ROBERS@WFU.EDU
			DETERS@RELENG.MTC.COM
		JDINATAL@CAPCON.NET
			JCDAVIS@WAM.UMD.EDU
			LSEMPLE@LOBSTER.MIS.UDEL.EDU
			MCHANG@TEAL.ECE.JHU.EDU
			PALBER@CORP.CSSI.NET
			EPILO2CHOPIN.UDEL.EDU
			MUNIZ@MGM.CAN.MCGILL.CA
		KREYTATO@MAPLE.LEMOYNE.EDU
			DRCRAVER@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU
			X51558H3@USMA13.USMA.EDU
			GOLDBERG@ROCHGTE.FIDONET.ORG
			CSNOW@ITSMAIL1.HAMILTON.EDU
		CHOBBS@LIBERTY.UC.WLU.EDU
			IN%"RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
			CBUTKUS@VT.EDU
			BMKING@MAIL.WM.EDU
			BMCCLUNG@LIBERTY.UC.WLU.EDU
			F2427235@ODUVM.CC.ODU.EDU
		ABARAFF@MACALSTR.EDU
			HWSACKS@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU
			BDK@UMICH.EDU
			SAPIRE@CARLETON.EDU
			SAYAT.7@OSU.EDU
			JB62@CEC.WUSTL.EDU
			JMWEINBE@WUSTL.EDU
	DRIVER8@PHY.DUKE.EDU
		CRF3@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU
		STD@ACAPUB.DUKE.EDU
		JAY1@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU
		CAR3@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU
		TPETERSON@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU
		FRIEDMAN@ACPUB.DUKE.EDU
	EWHESSE@AMHERST.EDU
		MMAKUNAS@EMERALD.TUFTS.EDU
		SALIDO@CLEO.BC.EDU
		RBLANKO@EMERALD.TUFTS.EDU
		FLATS@WPI.EDU
		WANGDE@BCUMS.BC.EDU
		TSHALOM@ACS.BU.EDU
	ROBERT4192@AOL.COM
		MOOREC@ENGR.ENGR.SCAROLINA.EDU
		RMOORE@SUNBELT.NET
		EPASTAN@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU
		HBENTON@TCS.TULANE.EDU
		WANDRES@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU
		GOTTLIEB@BU4090.BARRY.EDU

There it is!  Go nuts and start taping!


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 9:08 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: minor ftp mix-up

On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, mdicus wrote:

> i too have had a problem with the ftp.  i tried it last night for the first
> time, hoping to pull down the faq file, but it said access restricted.  what
> does this really mean.  is someone updating it or what because i had 
> no problem pulling down the tour dates file.  to the guy who asked what 
> buttons to push concerning ftp, you need  to talk to someone at your 
> school or host, each place has it's own system i believe.
> m dicus

Folks, sorry.  I messed up temporarily.  The faq.txt file should be 
available as usual.

And again, if you don't know what ftp means or whatever, get someone at 
your school or service provider to show you!

-Ben


Posted By: I12SNOSKI@aol.com
Time/Date: 9:31 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: Please remove this account from the list...

Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but the regular "unsubscribe" command seems
not to be working properly.  Anyway, could someone remove me from the
subscription for this list.

Thanks,
DAVE


Posted By: driver8@phy.duke.edu
Time/Date: 9:52 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: Ritz

Hey my friends - (couldn't resist - It's been a long Thannnnnksgivvvvving)

I am seeking a copy of the 9/27/94 Dave show at the Ritz in 
Raleigh,NC...if you have a copy get in touch with me please, I have many 
lucrative trade options...

By the way - Whoever has my tapes (I think it's Dan - or whoever I gave 
them to at the show) from the 11/9/94 show at Wait - I really want these 
soon so we can get this tree movin' - write me back with the status...soon!

gee on

sean
                -----------------------------------------
          "Here's a song about bein' dead and havin' no regrets"
                -----------------------------------------
                              Sean Spicer
                    Duke University, Dept. of Physics


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 9:59 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: Personals and stuff

A few personal messages...

Marianne- Your tapes go out as soon as you send me your address. Have a 
slice of Coronet pizza for me tonight.

Jeremiah of Evanston- Your tapes go out as soon as you give me a zip code 
to send them to... it wasn't listed on the return address

Clare- The article goes out tomorrow. Sorry.

Ben T.- I'll be up at hahvahd this weekend, if you want to set up that trade 
let me know and I'll send a list.

Everyone else- If, in the next few weeks, you should happen to run into 
Dave, give him a huge thank you from me (although I'm sure he doesn't 
rememeber me). Tell him his music helped me get through the most stressful 
two weeks of my life thus far. Five more days! And if you know anything 
about Sienese art in the Thirteenth century or theories of hegemony, let 
me know :)
And, I have no copies of Get in Line. Anyone who has it and wants to 
trade, let me know. 
I'm gonna go find a friend and spoon 'em. I recommend everyone does the same.
				-Adam (Vann)


Posted By: johnfro@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 10:41 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: Sandy's Gender

hey minaret people
seeing as this will probably not be the last time me and sandy get 
lambasted by the other members of the net for our flippancy and 
impertinence we came to the mutual agreement that everyone should know 
one thing: sandy has a penis. not that i know personally, but he does 
live in an all-guys dorm.  he could not write this message because of the 
depressive state he has been catapulted into by the repeated references 
to sandy as 'she'  look at the person's name in the fucking index.  it is 
Sandford you insensitive fucks.  if sandy commits suicide the blood is 
on the net.

i love clare and so does sandy


Posted By: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
Time/Date: 10:47 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: Tapeage and Yum-yum.

  Hey all.

 Hope you had a good holiday. i was rooting for the turkeys escape.
but thats another story. over the break i did this.(after staying up
for all of almost two weeks with no rest due to school,i breaked hard.)
here is a list: eat,spoon,sleep,eat,spoon,sleep,shower,play the
git-fiddle,eat,sex,spoon-movie,sleep,eat,do illicit narcotics,stay
up all nite babbling about shoes and tires,sleep,sleep....now i have
awakened. HELLO.

 there were other endeavors too.  like this.

   1.Dave Matthews=from the band of the same name. 
   2.Exaltation=state of mental or spiritual elation or excitement.

put these words together and you get - DAVMALTATION -
though it does sound like a milkshake you'd get at a Wal-Mart,it still
holds merit for the following...

  To anyone interested, i am in the process of creating a tape of a
hundred minutes of nothing but DAVMALTATIONS.   understand now?
 all the yeeps,squawls, and funny comments from the Dave character with
a little Boyd thrown in, too. i've only just begun, but it makes me
laugh already. and there are lots more tapes to go thru....soooo...
if anyone would like this upon its completion just let me know by
doing the following:
                   1. send a self addressed STAMPED envelope
                   2. a 100 minute CHROME type II tape
      (my stereo won't record unless both tapes are the same type.
                       i know its weird)
                   3. a 3x5 card saying "HEY"
                   4. send all the above to the below address:


                  Cha McEwan
                  400 Baldwin Rd.
                  Richmond, VA 23229 

*** please make sure you either send a SASE or send enuff money to
cover an envelope AND postage.  i am a poor man in money terms and
couldn't afford to send out a bunch o' tapes. that leads me to this
joke i heard outside the Flood Zone once:

         Q: what do you call a guitarist without a girlfriend ?
         A: Homeless.

not that all guitarists are male or anything, thats just the way i
heard it. (i had to be P.C., you never know what the thought police
have in store for ya'!!!)   anyway...

alright. take it easy and i hope some people want this creation. it
will definately make you laugh and think and such.  anyone has any
questions, E-mail me directly within the next two-weeks. PEACE.

E-mail: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu.


                Yes,the river tastes me, and yes, I'm so much more,
                than I have ever been, thank you DAMABA,

                            CHA * *
                                \_/


Posted By: gt0407c@prism.gatech.edu
Time/Date: 11:16 PM Sunday, November 27, 1994
Subject: Dave in Atlanta

To all you folks who have been thoroughly confused by ticket bastard:

The DMB show in Atlanta IS on Dec. 27.  I just got my tix in the mail, and the
date on them is the 27th, so...if some peabody over at the tele ticket-bastard
office screwed up printing the date on my tix, were all fucked.  But I'm sure
they didn't.

Anyway, not to worry...I'm certain the show is on the 27th, not the 29th, as
many have heard.  I'll see you all in Atlanta.  BTW, are the (no particular
namers) gonna get together before/after/during the show...I'd like to 
put some faces to the names.  Later.

Much Grass,
Shug


Posted By: hbenton@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
Time/Date: 12:57 AM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Charlotte show

Hey, does anyone know who is opening for Dave the 29th in Charlotte?  I 
got tickets, but I forgot to ask who was opening.
						Thanks,
						  Holly


Posted By: jgfelt@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 1:34 AM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: unsolved SOMUCHTOSAY mystery

Once upon a time, there was a show here at William and Mary (April
10th, 1994 to be exact) with DMB headlining.  The set was cut
short because of a Williamsburg ordinance stating that outdoor
performances must end by 8pm or some shit like that.  The short set
was nice (OSW, TwoStep, BoWA, WWYS, Recently w/ Doug Wannamaker, and
maybe one or two more... my master copy is loaned out, and i forget)
Anyway, a friend of mine was talking to LeRoi on the bus before
the show when Dave said something like "I'm thinking about playing
'So Much to Say' tonight".  This was later verified by an
acquaintance who said that SMTS was ON the set list.  Obviously, the
show was cut short and the song wasn't played.  My question is this:
    a) when did they end up playing it, and
    b) does anyone have a solid sbd 2nd-or-lower gen. tape of it
that they would like to trade?  i am seeking a super-HQ non-Peter
version of the song for comparison and eventual translation into
guitar tablature for the file.
                                 please help!  thanks.


**********************************************************************
this wonderful message brought to you by jonathan "python" felton.....
 college station box 1682, william and mary, williamsburg VA 23186
         or there's always time to try jgfelt@mail.wm.edu!

          "open up my head and let me out" -Dave Matthews
**********************************************************************


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 10:01 AM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 362

in reference to the person who posted about basing the net.shirt on
typical situation, i'd like to go public with my support of the ants
shirt, even if i am sick of the song.  i like the ants idea because
it's a general thing, and that's what we need on the t-shirt.  i'm
a big one for symbolism, but i also don't feel like explaining my t-shirt
to every dave-come-lately who asks, and with the ants shirt, i think if
it happens i can say "it's an ants marching thing...you obviously don't
understand."  i think with a typical situation reference, i'd feel obliged
to make some sort of explanation, because i'm sure their are actually
people who don't know the lyrics to typical.  not a problem for ants,
not to mention that a bunch of ants automaticallty harks to the title
of the song, making it easy for people to figure out.

actually, i do like ants marching.  i'm just a bit sick of hearing it
every time i throw a bagby in.

also, i agree with the person who said that typing "sorry to waste
bandwidth" is more of a waste of bandwidth than the post that follows.
i was on phish.net for year before joining this entourage, and i've been
here for about a year now, and i'm still not exactly sure what bandwidth
is (and that is _not_ an invitation for some internet techno wizard to
start explaining how larger digest get slowed down by their size:).


one last thing:  to the person who posted the blues traveler chord file:
                 *****__________DIE___________*****

_that_ was a waste of bandwidth.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
                                   \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: WIFOY@DAVIDSON.EDU
Time/Date: 10:32 AM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Tape Covers

    Somebody mentioned before break that they wanted a program to do
tape covers.  I made a stencil for Tape covers on my WordPerfect quite
easily, but it's mac so sorry WinDos folks.  There is a nice option as
well at the archive.umich.edu ftp site there is a tape-labeller
program [ shareware and worth it!].  He's planned a really nice
upgrade, so let's support this guy!  I think the program is called
"Tape Labeller 4.0" and is probably binhex'd and stuffit'd.  Hope that
helps.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RUSH remMATTHEWSWEET everythingBIGHEADTODD davematthewsbandBLUESTRAVELER samples
   __  "Will you give your heart to me? Will you tell me where your soul lies? 
  /  \ ...Do you see what I can see? Does the night enchant your soul and set
  |e:| you free? oh, do you see what I can see?" -everything:Dame Tu Corazon?
  \__/ "Dark clouds may hang on me sometimes, but I, I'll work it out, and then
	I, look up at the sky"-Dave Matthews Band:Dancing Nancies
                      Phi Gamma Delta-Davidson(Delta Kappa) 
               wifoy@davidson.edu        iN ReaL lIFe:=will foy'96	
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Posted By: EIQ9DXB@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Time/Date: 11:21 AM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: MINARETS ARE PUSSIES

Hi, everybody.

I've tried UNSUBSCRIBING from this mailing list about ten times now, USING
THE METHOD DESCRIBED IN THE INTRO POST plus several inspired variations of
it. I've tried emailing "J Crothers" several times for assistance and I'm still
receiving mail from this list.

CAN ANYONE GET ME REMOVED FROM THIS LIST OR EXPLAIN WHY I'M TRAPPED ON IT?

I sent a message to J Crothers threatening to post a slew of annoying and
obnoxious messages to this list if I'm not removed from it. In a day or two,
I'll follow thru on this threat...

NOTHING AGAINST DMB OR COOL DMB FANS. I just can't handle the traffic of
mail and I find most of the posts to be personal mail between friends and
ridiculously idiosyncratic, highly elitist crap.

Please get me off this list. This is your last warning.


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 11:58 AM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: what is a bagby?

i figure this is going to become a fairly common question as the term
becomes more established and more lurkers start joining us, so i decided
to write this little explanation for the faq.  i didn't create the term,
and i've only just lately come into using it, so i'm by no means an
expert on making this definition, so if you feel you want to add anything,
go right ahead.  if you want to contradict anything, go right ahead, but
in my outspoken pagan devil worshiping kind of way, this is my take on
what a bagby is:

what is a bagby?

a bagby is the term used to refer to any and all copies of taped dave
matthews material (ie: concerts).  the term came about as a result of
people trying to avoid the contraband stigma of the word "bootleg," 
though i'm not really sure who created it.  kind of funny, actually,
because i think every band that's ever legally allowed tape trading
has had fans try and come up with a good alternative to the word "bootleg"
and to the best of my knowledge, we're the first ones to actually
accomplish (such a petty) goal;).

the term "bagby" is comes from the name of the band's soundman, jeff
bagby.

**personal opinions of rick's***

bagby's are a dave matthew's band thing, and a damaba thing _only_.
if you talk "bagby" while referring to phish or dead tape trading, you
are speaking in tongues.  (though i suppose when you are phish tape
trading, you could say "hey man, you got any good languedoc's?"  :)

when referring to multiple bagby's, don't change the spelling to bagbies.
1)it looks funny.
2)the name is obviously our way of paying homage to damaba's soundman,
  an individual we definitely need to continue paying homage to.  
  he's the one who puts dave, stefan, carter, boyd and leroi together _every_
  night and makes damaba real, as well as continues to this day to provide
  a soundboard feed to taper's station, something very few bands of damaba's
  size can say.  
  so when you refer to a bagby, make sure to include the accurate spelling of
  jeff's name.  

be sure to share bagby's and be generous in spreading them around.  hopefully,
soon i can find access to solid taping equipment and make some newbie offers,
but for now, i'm stuck with two different dual cassette decks, and out of four
decks, only one works, and not well.  really sux, to say the least.  

any comments, additions?  contradictions?  contraceptives?

thought for the day (and completely irrelevant to most listservs and
newsgroups save for maybe alt.rick.is.really.stupid.):

imagine you are a non-english speaking person trying to learn english
and its slang.

take these three words:

condominium
contraceptive
contraband (as in iran-contra figures)

take these three abbreviations:

contra
condom
condo

and play matching......
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
  points are for intellectuals     \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 12:49 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Re: what is a bagby?

The term came from someone who posts often- CHA, perhaps? after I 
requested a different name than bootlegs.
How old is Jeff? He's been with Dave for a while, and he can't be much 
more than college age. Some sort of boy genius of audio, perhaps?
The contra in "Iran contra" refers to Nicaraguan freedom fighters, not 
contraband, which is a general term for illegal goods. Sorry Rick. 
Please don't send me offers to trade for Get in Line anymore, I have 
enough offers now. I keep forgetting how great this net is trade- wise.
			-Adam


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 1:26 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Point to be pondered...

If we don't want to be labeled, then why do we keep calling people newbies?

just some food for thought.....

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Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 1:43 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: minarets-history-3

also available at:
ftp://netspace.org/pub/DMB/text-files/minarets-history/minarets-history-3

	EDITOR'S NOTE: Basically this whole issue contains responses to a 
very negative review of Remember Two Things that was passed along by Reid 
Spice.  The review (which can be found in minarets-history-1) sparked off 
the first-ever flame war on Minarets.

Minarets History Issue 3: 
	* Alex Crother comments on the review.
	* Brett Kingswell shares his view.
	* Reid defends his original post.
	* Rick Thompson and Gregg Carrier let the shit fly.
	* Reid asks for an end to the flames.
	* Daniel Gold has the last word.

--Ben

P.S.: You know, reading this whole thing again reminds me that although 
yes, the internet in general and minarets in particular are great, there 
is a capacity to both overemphasize one's emotions (in order to convey 
them in writing) and a capacity to be oversensitive, and thus pissed 
off.  What else could account for our misunderstanding of sarcasm and the 
success of flame-bait?  Anyway, enjoy.  

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 11:39:39 -500 (EST)
From: "J. A. Crothers" <jcrother@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: A different view.....
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu

Thank God!

	that's all I can really say; after putting up with the
all the bullshit on Phish.Net lately and having every
little criticism you make get you into a total flame
war; it just plain sucks
	
	To Reid Spice (Grilled Cheese): Thank you for being
honest and forwarding the criticism (even though it
*was* a bit harsh) but at least it was honest.  And,
overall, I suppose that's better.
	
	I haven't had a chance to hear the album yet either
(I'll get it tonight at Northhampton! yeaaaa!) and will
listen to it with an open mind but we all like and
don't like albums.  And sometimes an album grows os us.
 For instance, when I first got WSP's Everyday I hated
(too strong: really disliked) it; but now I like it
alot and really dig some aspects of it. It all depends.
	
alex Crothers

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From: bmking@mail.wm.edu (Big Bert)
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
Date:         11 Nov 93 13:10:15 
Subject:      Re: Different review...

> with any of the points.  Please don't scream and yell and get offended --
> it's just another viewpoint.

[ lots of stuff from 'another viewpoint' ]

> Okay, so rather scathing comments to Stephan and Leroi but... intelligent
> comments?  feedback?  alternative thoughts?

	Well, it's difficult to respond to that post without
being offended and write a scathing response.  However,
that IS the philosophy of the HORDE music scene I
believe, to accept everyone's views, no matter how
foreign they may seem, so I will refrain from going
line- by-line and responding with my own comments.
	
	I'll just say that I don't think your friend is a
true HORDEr.  It's evident from both his actions and
thoughts.  Nothing wrong with that, but it's like me
trying to review the latest album from Barney.
	
	In the end, though, it's basically just a differing
of opinions..  I happen to love the album, and Tripping
Billies is one of my favorite songs, and I love Leroi's
playing, etc.  I just feel his opinion is less credible
than many of those here because he's the type to send
someone else to do his work while he plays pool, just
because it's cold and he doesn't want to wait until the
next day to get the album, and has something against an
independently distributed album, etc. That's just not
the mindset of most of the people here I believe.
	
One man's OPINION.......

--
Brett Kingswell
bmking@mail.wm.edu
BBB/loligo/zoo/bert/icka bicka momma clucka/eggs/alone/142/escaping

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 17:10:24 est
From: Grilled Cheese <SPICE@dickinson.edu> (Reid Spice)
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
Subject: Whoops

	Well, as I thought, many were pissed about that review
I passed on (from a *friend* of mine, please remember
that!)  I still haven't heard it yet so I don't know...
 anyway, thank you to those people who mailed me
personally and told me what you thought.  I didn't post
a negative review to upset people, I was more hoping
that people would take his comments seriously and see
if there was any value to them at all.  Yes, I agree
that Stephan is solid and Leroi is much better than my
friend gives him credit.  But I was hoping more that
people would maybe think about whether or not Dave does
try to enunciate more clearly on the album, if the
album does sound flat (as though the energy was lost in
the recording), things like that.  You folks have heard
lots of live tapes, you've heard lots of shows, how
does the album compare?  A good live album or has it
been tamed down at all?  Anyway, enough for now.
	
Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 17:08:32 -0500 (EST)
From: uberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugseug <STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Different review...
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu

>said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..." So we went back to the house and
>sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
>Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
>It was great...
 
	i'll be perfectly honest.  as soon as i saw the
reference to uva greek, i totally dismissed this
article as not worth my time.  but i read on.  then i
found myself so disgusted with this perrsons point of
view that i had to reply.
	
	as i mentioned before, i have very little respect for
uva greek, based almost solely on my observance of
their behaviour at dave matthews shows. as was
discussed at the inception of this net, dave matthews
has been getting discouraged with playing at TRAX. 
this is because the audience gets drunk, throws each
other around, generally ignores what dave is trying to
do, and doesn't pay the slightest bit of attention
unless ants, halloween, or warehouse is being played. 
i can only assume that your freind is among this crowd,
based on his reference to warehouse and halloween (FYI,
'dead and gone' would be known to most of us as 'rhyme
or reason'), as well as his opinion of dave matthews in
general.
	
	i also assume that your freind comes from the base
that thinks that boyd is the heart and soul of this
band.  i don't think that i could imagine this band
without his almost hillbilly addition to the band, but
it's called 'the dave matthews band' for a reason.
	
	i'm so pissed at the narrow-mindedness of what i just
read that i can't even organize my thoughts on the
subject.  your freind apparently doesn't know jack shit
about the music industry, and the hassles of signing
contracts and such, and should be clued into the fact
that a major label deal is in the works that should
produce us a full studio disc next year.
	
	errrrrr. i have a lot more to say, but i'm going to
stop now.  in all actuality, i appreciate the different
point of view, and i apologize up front to spice for
pretty much saying his freind has no character or
merit, IMNSHO. but still, dave is far from doomed. 
this is not dave's definitive work, nor is he making it
out to be.  'remember two things' is a debut album.
it's an introduction for the some 40 states left that
have never heard of the man.  treat it as such.  and
tell your freind that he lives in c-ville, and is more
than welcome to go to TRAX each and every tue night
until he hears his beloved halloween song or spotlight.
	
	as and aside--putting halloween on a cd would be like
phish putting harry hood on a cd.  anyone agree?
	
======================================================================
rick thompson                            stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 20:11:32 -0500 (EST)
From: We all float down here <STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET>
Subject: Reid's dumbass friend...
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu

>Okay, I just thought I'd send this along to see what everyone thinks.  Let me
>emphasize this first off: I HAVE NOT HEARD THE ALBUM -- THIS IS SOMEONE
>ELSE'S OPINION.
 
	Well Reid...next time don't forward worthless
opinions...I have seen you write things to this net
that I enjoyed.  Your "friend's" I did not, and would
rather address him personally...but I don't know who he
is...see?
	 
>  However, it is a friend of mine who goes to UVa and someone
>who has been listening to Dave for well over a year and going to shows and
>all that.
 
	A lot of drunk frat boys who don't know shit about
music go to Dave shows every week.
	 
>Well, Dave Matthews' album finally came out. He's doomed. It's fair at best.
 
	Nice setup from a wise old Dave Matthews sage...tell
us your story ye who knows so much...
	 
>He did, however, have a substantial following waiting at midnight for its
>release. Marcus and I went dwon to Plan 9 around 12:30 or so and the line was
>out the door, around the building, and down the block. Very long wait. We
>said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..."
 
	Yes he is...but then if you knew that, you wouldn't
have made comments this pathetic...
	 
> So we went back to the house and sent some pledges to get it for us. They
> didn't get back until about 3:30.  Stood outside and froze their nuts off while
> we enjoyed some fine billiards.  It was great...

	The only people who are more pathetic than these
pledges who stood in the cold for you are you and your
friend who let it go to your heads when your silly
Greek system allows you to demean other individuals
just to get your rocks off.
	 
>Anyway, someone obviously told him that no one could understand what the fuck
>he was saying because he sounds like he's trying so hard to enunciate. So
>that sucks. He's not a very good singer to begin with
 
	Wrong.   Your pompous attitude towards this band is
disgusting...shut up...
	 
> and when you can understand what he's saying, it's even worse.
 
	I doubt you have ever listened to Dave's incredible
lyrical talent.  This statement is among your most
ignorant.  Yet you try to pass it off as weathered
experience.  *sarcasm begins* Thank god someone like
you is around to tell us al l what to think about the
Dave Matthews Band.  Without someone like you who has
seen them SO MANY times us folks would have no one to
look to.  Thank you.  *sarcasm ends with bout of
vomiting*
	 
> Also, although most of the album is live (from a show I saw, anyway, as a a
> matter of fact), they knew they were being taped and took a little off it to
> make sure they played the right notes and stuff. So it's kind of a flat
> performance.

	Is it really a flat performance?  Those of us who
don't have quite as much live Dave experience wouldn't
have realized this without your insightful
comments...thank you again...moron...
	 
> Also too, they
>left out some of the better songs to put in shit like 'Tripping Billies', a
>song we all know and hate. No 'Halloween', no 'Dead and Gone'
 
	Known to the rest of the world as Rhyme or Reason...
	 
> no 'Spotlight'. I don't think 'Warehouse' is on it, either. Oh yeah, 
> it ain't on no Columbia, either.

	Yo yo yo boyeeee!  It aint on no Columbia!  Go back
to the hood dork...is a major label really the means by
which you judge a band...oops...forgot you are really
really dumb!  Of course that's your criteria!
	 
> Some basement label like "Rag Bone Records" or "Bona
>Rag" or something.
 
	Bama Rag Records
	 
>I'll tape it for you, though, and fill the rest of the tape with decent stuff
>he's played. Who knows, maybe people who haven't heard good live shows will
>like it. Maybe he'll make some money and hire a real sax player and bassist.
>Or just get Greg Howard to cover both of their parts. I'm sure he could do a
>better job by himself than both Leroi and Stephan...
 
	Well...as if you hadn't announced your ignorance
enough.  Leroi and Stephan are both far more vast
musical talents than you or you drunk frat brothers
give them credit for.  Maybe not as catchy as Boyd (who
is also great) but both Leroi and Stephan are INTEGRAL
parts of the band.  I won't even bother trying to
convince you.
	 
	Dude, find somewhere else to drink your beer on
Tuesday nights.  Just because UVA sees fit to let you
in to their school does not mean everyone here will
blindly respect your views on the Dave Matthews Band.
	
	You are stomping on all of our buzzes...
	 
Disclaimer:  This was written by Gregg Carrier.  stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
Any comment/criticisms/death threats should be directed to him.  Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 16:38:42 est
From: Grilled Cheese <SPICE@dickinson.edu> (Reid Spice)
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
Subject: Enough.


	I'm tired of the thread on my posting of the "[Very]
Different Review."  I don't care if you didn't like it,
Gregg, I posted it to create some hopefully intelligent
discussion.  As I feared, the whole thing has
completely degenerated into a stereotypical
Greek-bashing fest (and my friend isn't even Greek, I
guess his friend Marcus or whatever must be).  The
insults to Greeks, intelligence, etc. are just getting
old so let's just drop it.  As I've said, I only hoped
that we could take it from a positive, critical
perspective instead of everyone getting pissed and
screaming and yelling (wasting everyone's time
defending the band).  I know you like the band,
everyone does or you wouldn't be here reading this.
So anyway, let's move on please...
	
A thoroughly frustrated and proudly Greek Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 93 16:55:33 -0500
To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
From: Daniel_Gold@brown.edu
Subject: Re: different review (long response) 

	This is a long post responding to two articles from
yesterday's digests. Sorry for the length.  I believe
some of the comments went a little too far and that a
public response is mandated.  (later, i will make up
for this by posting some more relevant info on the
Boston DMB show.)
	
>i'll be perfectly honest.  as soon as i saw the reference to uva greek, i
>totally dismissed this article as not worth my time. 

	i do know some about UVA greek and it turns me off,
too.  however, as soon as i see someone automatically
dismissing an article on the net, i think that person
is a bit rash.
	
>as i mentioned before, i have very little respect for uva greek, based
>almost solely on my observance of their behaviour at dave matthews shows.

	this is not my only reason for disliking the greek
system at UVA.  i am wondering if the fact that it is
your only reference makes your judgement unfounded.  do
the fratsters at DMB shows represent all the
fratstrers?  do they all go to DMB?  oh, and the fact
that Boyd kicks bootie on fiddle -- does that mean all
blacks people are great fiddlers?  granted, the
fratsters at DMB shows may be exhibiting a typical
attitude, but i think it's unfair to increminate
specific fratsters (namely, the author to whom you were
responding) on the basis of what you've seen some other
"brothers" do at shows.
	
>generally ignores what dave is
>trying to do,

	FYI, "dave" would be known to most of the rest of us
as "dave matthews BAND"
	
>i can only assume that your
>freind is among this crowd, based on his reference to warehouse and
>halloween (FYI, 'dead and gone' would be known to most of us as 'rhyme
>or reason'),

	Don't ASSUME anything, because it makes an ASS out
of U and ME.  i think it would be just fine for a
non-fratster to dig Warehouse & Halloween.  i also
think it is okay to call a song by a different name,
considering the true official titles can't really be
found out (unless Dave or someone announces the name at
a show you're at, or unless the song's on the newborn
CD.) [e.g. ARU does a song which i call "Peace and
Happiness" althogh i think the real name may be
something else (?)]  so, please don't critisize someone
based on that.  maybe we're not all as in-the-know as
you are.
	  
>i also assume that your freind comes from the base that thinks that boyd
>is the heart and soul of this band.  i don't think that i could imagine
>this band without his almost hillbilly addition to the band, but it's
>called 'the dave matthews band' for a reason.

	why?  because "Dave Matthews" is the heart and soul
of the BAND?  it might as well be the "Joe Schmo Band"
for all i care.  *if* any member outshines the others,
i don't think it's Dave, based on the ONE performance
i've seen.  for the most part, they function as a
group.  they belong together. granted, i have not seen
any Dave solo.  i'm just unsure if your comment meant
"Dave is the heart" or "The whole band is the heart."
	
>i'm so pissed at the narrow-mindedness of what i just read that i can't
>even organize my thoughts on the subject. 

	speaking of which...  welcome to your own world,
man.
	
> your freind apparently doesn't know jack shit about the music industry,
> and the hassles of signing contracts and such,

	should he be expected to know?  is that what makes one
cool, to know the grit about the scene?  yeah, i'm
personally into knowing and analyzing, but it is not my
expectation (read: prejudice) that others should know.
	
> and should be clued into the fact that a major label
>deal is in the works that should produce us a full studio disc next year.

	uh huh.  *how* exactly should he know this?  i know
'cause i read MINERATSnet daily.  is everyone else
supposed to just glean the information from signs in
the heavens?  sure, c-villers have lots of
opportunities to find that information, IF they choose
to associate with folks who know.
	
>but still, dave is far from doomed.  this is not dave's definitive work,
>nor is he making it out to be.  'remember two things' is a debut album.

	great point!  same can be said for "the white album"
by Phish.
	
>and tell your freind that he lives in
>c-ville, and is more than welcome to go to TRAX each and every tue night
>until he hears his beloved halloween song or spotlight.

	say you had a favorite character in a book.  in a
series of books, actually.  but there are lots of other
characters, with a variety of personalities and
stories, and the author sort of rotates through telling
about each of them as they come to interact.  would you
be psyched to purchace a book per week until one
finally involved your hero?  No.  you should not be
expected to be elated about that.  if someone wants to
hear a song and he doesn't ever seem to catch it at the
shows he goes to, he shouldn't be expected to start
shelling out time and money EVERY WEEK for a band.  he
has a right to hope for certain songs without being
MINERATSer-than-thou.  everyone who likes a band
doesn't have to be a total loyalist.  now, if he starts
yelling for songs throughout the shows, then he becomes
obnoxious and is invading on everyone else's good time.
	
FROM A DIFFERENT AUTHOR:

>Well Reid...next time don't forward worthless opinions...

	well, next time don't be so close-minded.  no opinion
is worthless, though it may be wrong (an opinion again,
see?).  So, folks, please do continue to forward info
relevant to DMB.  pro and con are welcome.  this is not
a net for DMB cheerleaders alone, it's for all
pertinate discussion.
	
>Wrong.   Your pompous attitude towards this band is disgusting...shut up...

	"pompus attitude"  =  "shut up" practice what you
preach, fellow.
	
>I doubt you have ever listened to Dave's incredible lyrical talent.  This
>statement is among your most ignorant. 

	do you really know how much someone has listened to
Dave's lyrics?  I am personnally still mulling over
their value myself.  no judgement yet. would it be okay
with you if i did decide i don't like the words?
	
>Is it really a flat performance?

	well, as a matter of a fact, it sounds pretty flat
to me too in some ways. which is not to say DMB screwed
up;  i think WSP's albums and Phish's albums are flat
as well.
	
>...thank you again...moron...

	nice personal attack.  throw a few more of those in
and maybe you'll get as popular as Hitler became.  very
very good!  let's discourage any non-mainstream
opinions!  yea! (sarcasm, albeit somewhat true...)
	
>Known to the rest of the world as Rhyme or Reason...

	oh, sorry.  i didn't know one had to be a DMB guru
to post.  fact of the matter is, I didn't know that
either, and i've been netting since MINERATS inception.
 passing on information is cool, but being critical of
someone's minor mistakes of semantics is not.
	
>Yo yo yo boyeeee!  It aint on no Columbia!  Go back to the hood dork
>...oops...forgot you are
>really really dumb!

	ummm.  what kind of a statement is that?  please
clarify "hood dork." oh, and i suppose you think
Galeleio [spell] was really really dumb too, just
because his opinion was different?
	
>Leroi and Stephan are INTEGRAL parts of the band.  I won't even bother trying
>to convince you.

	your time on the net would be spent much better if you
did offer your insights into the musicians.  i
personally like them as they are, but i can understand
someone only liking some members.  i feel that way
about other bands.
	
>You are stomping on all of our buzzes...

	So are you.
	
>This was written by Gregg Carrier.  stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
>Any comment/criticisms/death threats should be directed to him. 

	sorry, i felt your publicly stated comments should
be answered in public. i apoligize to anyone who didn't
want to sit through this kind of arguement. i will now
post a more DMBish piece.
	
	love,daniel
	
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Posted By: car3@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 2:01 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: that wacky taping guy

at the 11-11-94 wait chapel show my friend sean spicer and myself gave 
some tapes with return postage to some guy (dan i have been told his name 
is) who has yet to send me these tapes back or even give me some kind of 
update as to what i going on with them.  if you are reading this digest 
and have my tapes please let me know what's going on!?!  i could help the 
tape tree for this show out a lot if i could get these tapes...

			looking for my music stand,
					the magus, but sometimes cory rayborn


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Time/Date: 3:03 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Blue Screen Show Setlist 11/28

Hey everyone,

The Blue Screen Show w/ Chico and Ooodz, 2-3:30 Sunday Nights/Monday Mornings
89.3 WNUR-FM, Evanston-Chicago

It was a crazzy one...

11/28/94 

"Brazil Theme-->"   .............Brazil Soundtrack
"Dark Side Tease-->Ed Sullivan Intro.-->Back in the USSR"(underneathe
opening schpeil) Phish, 10/31/94 Glens Falls, NY
"Werewolves of London"...........Widespread Panic, 10/31/94 Evanston, IL
John Popper Interview-->
"Love of My Life"................Blues Traveler 11/12/94 Upper Darby, PA
Trey Anastasio's Interpretation of the Blue Screen-->
"Halley's Comet"-->"David Bowie"........Phish, 11/26/94  Minneapolis, MN
"Two Step".......................Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds, 1/29/94 NYC
"No Dogs Allowed"................Phish 10/26/89 Wetlands, NYC
"Big House Blues"................Ren & Stimpy

Whew!
Tapes of the show are availible


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Posted By: mtg1@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 3:22 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: I'm really disturbed...

     I once chopped pieces of foreskin off my penis with
a pair of cuticle scissors.

     Now that I've got your attention, I'll go back and
tell the whole story.  Apologies if it gets a little lengthy,
but this yarn deserves to be spun well.

                        BACKGROUND

     After I was circumcised as an infant, the wound was
not taken care of with sufficient diligence, and it healed
incorrectly.  Portions of the raw edge of the remaining
foreskin bonded to the glans, a little bit above the lower
edge of the glans.  This left a series of "skin bridges",
basically sections of foreskin which can't be retracted,
because they are fused to the glans at one end and the shaft
at the other.  These varied in width from about 1/16" to
1/4", and were attached off and on over about 2/3 of the
circumference.

     This was never a major problem.  It was a long
time before I even realized it was abnormal.  Everything
functioned properly, but there were a few minor problems
with it which made me wish I could fix it.  Mainly,
 
1.  It was a cosmetic defect -- it didn't look good.

2.  It was tough to keep clean under the bridges -- I had to
swab it with a Q-tip now and then to knock down smegma
buildup.

3.  Some of the most sensitive parts of the glans were
hidden under relatively insensitive chunks of foreskin,
robbing me of the proper stimulation which was mine and
every man's birthright.

     Over the past few years, I'd been thinking of getting
it corrected, but there were problems.  Doctors cost
money, and I didn't have it, and student insurance sure
wasn't gonna cover it.  Plus, the thought of some strange
doctor chopping at my peepeehead gives me chills.

     Now, all a doctor would do it sterilize it, numb it,
cut it and bandage it.  "Hell, maybe I can do that!", I
thought.  The problem was how to kill the pain.  I
experimented with cutting myself (with an x-acto knife),
but seeing as it always hurt like hell before I even cut
anything, I never went through with it.

     Recently, I came back and studied the situation. 
Again, the problem with the self-surgery approach was
dealing with pain.  There had to be some way of numbing
the area, but how?  One winter day, it hit me.  If cold can
make fingers go numb, then cold can also make a
ManTool[tm] go numb.  With this in mind, I pioneered a
the "home penile self-surgery procedure".

SURGERY KIT

Cuticle scissors (1 pair)
Rubbing alcohol (1 bottle)
Antibiotic ointment (1 tube)
Anti-bacterial soap (1 bottle)
Gauze pads (lots, various sizes)
Ice cubes (iodine added to water for sterility)
Clean Washcloth (freshly laundered with lots'o bleach)
Well-lit work area (the kitchen table)

PROCEDURE

Wipe down work area with alcohol.  Clean penis with soap
and water, then with alcohol.  Wash hands thoroughly. 
Soak scissors in alcohol.

Holding the ice cube with the washcloth (to prevent your
fingers from going numb), apply the ice cube to the target
area.  Hold for 5 to 10 minutes, until area is numb.

Using the cuticle scissors, sever the skin bridge as closely
as possible to its connection with the glans.  Then sever the
foreskin end of the bridge in such a location as to leave an even
edge on the foreskin.

Use gauze pads and direct pressure to stop the bleeding, then
apply antibiotic ointment and bandage.

                    THE OPERATIONS

     Though the operations are not painful if done
correctly, the healing process is a real pain in the ass.  It
also takes a certain state of mind to be able to cut your
own flesh.  I would kind of put myself into robo-man
zombie mode for the operations, in that I never dwelled on
what I was doing, I just mechanically plodded through all
the steps without thinking about how totally gross it was.

     Since the ice cube could only numb a small portion
of the penis, and since I could only tolerate so much
trauma to my dick in one session, it took 6 separate
operations, spread out over a two week period, to
cut/remove all of the skin bridges.

Operation #1  (Day 1) 
     The test cut.  I chose a small thin skin bridge, about
1/16" across.  I held the ice cube on for 5 minutes.  The
ice caused a peculiar kind of "cold ache", but it wasn't that
bad.  I gingerly made the cuts, and sliced through with no
pain at all.  There was some minor bleeding, but because
of the speed at which I worked, I had finished and had the
gauze on it before the wound had any chance to bleed
significantly.  After about 10 minutes the bleeding was
stopped and I bandaged it up, no problem at all.  Only a
tiny little speck of flesh had been removed, rather
unimpressive looking.

Operation #2  (Day 3)
     Operation #1 turned out so well, I decided to go for
big game this time.  The target was the mother of all skin
bridges, about 1/4" across and very thick and meaty. 
Again, I made the preparations and applied ice for 5
minutes.

     I made the first cut along the glans, and was
surprised at how much I had to bear down on the scissors.
This skin was surprisingly tough. I finished that cut, and
then turned my attention to the cut on the foreskin side. 
Wanting to get it done quickly, I decided that two large,
powerful snips should do the job.  I bore down and made
the first cut, and realized with a shock that IT HURT LIKE
HELL.

     Well, it turns out that due to the thickness of the
skin bridge on that end, the cold hadn't penetrated deeply
enough, and it hadn't gone numb.  So, I was left with a
problem.  I had a half severed bit of foreskin hanging off
me, and no anesthetic.  My only recourse was to finish the
cut.  I thought, "Shit.  This will hurt.".  So I lined up the
scissors, closed my eyes, and as quickly and powerfully as
I could, I made the snip.  My prediction was correct; it did
hurt (don't you hate when you're right about things like
that?).  I managed to avoid shouting out, instead opting for
a few simple gasps and whimpers. 

     I resolved to hold the ice on for much longer in
future operations.

     Being that this was a bigger cut than the first, it
bled much more profusely.  It took about 20 minutes of
direct pressure and a lot of gauze until I could staunch the
main flow.  Even then it kept oozing blood for a few
hours.  I spent the rest of the evening with nothing on
below the waist, sitting in front of the TV with a few
brews (this became standard procedure for all forthcoming
operations).  Any motion tended to make it break open and
bleed again, so I moved around very little.   I was
functioning (that is, walking) almost normally again by the
next day, but it took about 5 days before this one
completely stopped oozing blood.

     As I gingerly hobbled back into the kitchen for
another brew, I spotted IT, the severed hunk-o-foreskin that
I had left on the table. It was of fairly good size, about
1/2" by 1/4" and maybe as thick as a piece of bacon.  
Suddenly, strange thoughts entered my skull, and a raging
mental battle between good and evil ensued.

EVIL: "Eat the foreskin."
GOOD: "Don't do it!!  That's gross!!"
EVIL: "Eat the foreskin."
GOOD: "Stop thinking about it!!"
EVIL: "You know what you must do.  Eat it.  It is your
destiny."
GOOD: "But that's cannibalism!"
EVIL: "So what?"
GOOD: "Cannibalism is shunned for a reason!  It spreads
diseases!"
EVIL: "Look dipshit.  It's your own fucking flesh.  Any
diseases in there, you already got."
GOOD: "But it's SELF-cannibalism!"
EVIL: "So is chewing on the piece of skin you bit off your
fingertip.  BFD."
GOOD: "But this is weird, deranged and perverted!"
EVIL: "Exactly"
GOOD: (Hauls its sorry whupped ass away and shuts up)

     So, I ate it.  Turns out it was very tough and
chewy, kind of like biting a little piece of rubber.  I
chewed for about 5 minutes, but didn't make any progress
on breaking it down, so I swallowed it.  It had a little bit
of blood flavor at first, but after that it had no flavor at all;
rather disappointing in that respect.  Maybe I should have
cooked it.

Operation #3 (Day 10)
     A medium sized cut.  I held the ice cube on much
longer (10 minutes instead of 5), so there was no problem
with pain.  Not nearly as much bleeding, but still a
respectable amount.

     A word about erections: they were a bad thing. 
Any hard-on would tear the wounds open and start them
bleeding again.  This would be a problem for about 3 or 4
days until the wounds had healed sufficiently.  Basically,
I had to spend a long, long time without even thinking a
nasty thought.  Of course, when I was asleep I had no
control over the process, which would always result in me
waking up with a dick that hurt and bloody bandages.  I
was really lovin' life at moments like these.

Operation #4 (Day 12)
     Another medium sized cut, but with the added
bonus of having a small vein (about 1 mm in diameter)
running through the skin bridge.  Now, the blood supply
for the penis mainly runs through blood vessels buried deep
inside.  When you get down the the small vessels, the
circulatory system becomes more of a spiderweb, with
redundant paths going to every point.  So I knew it wasn't
actually dangerous to cut it, but it was still a kind of
psychological obstacle.  I expected this one to be a heavy
bleeder, and I wasn't disappointed.  It took about a full
hour of direct pressure to get the severed ends of the vein
to close up.  Otherwise, not too much of a problem.  

Operation #5 (Day 14)
     I was planning on more time to let the others heal,
but due to changes in the way skin tension was being
applied to the remaining bridges (because I'd cut some
others away), one small bridge was getting a lot of stress
and starting to hurt.  So I chopped it quick and easy, no
real problems.

Operation #6 (Day 15)
     The problem with operation #5 was that it just
transferred the stress to the next bridge down the line.  So
even though I had about 3/4" of flesh left to cut, I resolved
to do it all at once in one last cutting frenzy.  

     Due to the size of the operation, it took a while to
complete (maybe 1 minute total), which gave the blood a
chance to flow.  I had to stop a few times and wipe away
blood so I could see what I was doing.  Strangely, this
didn't bother me at all.  It seemed perfectly normal that I
should be wiping up copious amounts of blood flowing
from my bleeding pecker which I had sliced open myself. 
Actually, it seemed kind of cool at the time, which led me
to speculate at the time that I had gone insane, which I also
thought was pretty cool.

     Anyway, except for the excess blood which had
dripped on to the chair, it went quite well.  The only thing
that really grossed me out was when I noticed I had blood
all over my hands.  If any psychoanalysts want to analyze
that tidbit for me, feel free, though I really don't care.

      The wounds are now completely healed, and the
results are good.  Mainly:

1.  There are no scars to speak of, just a few bumps on the
glans.  This is because I didn't trim the flesh quite close
enough in a few spots. They kind of resembling little
warts.  I thought about going back and trimming them off,
but I kind of like 'em now.  After all, it's not everyone
who has the privilege of appearing to have warts, with
actually being diseased.

2.  Without the skin tension holding things back, total dick
length has increased by 1/4".  (Of course I've measured the
length of my dick.  Like you haven't?)

3.  It's a great topic for dinnertime conversation.  Women
generally seem to find it quite interesting.  Men generally
turn kind of pale.

     With my newfound surgical skills, I've been
contemplating a few more self-surgical procedures.  You
know, mole removal, wart removal, nose jobs, the whole
vista of cosmetic surgery.  I'll need some help for that
mole on my back, which means training an assistant.  Ah,
the future looks interesting indeed ...


Posted By: gjb@ccnet.com
Time/Date: 3:39 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Flame War

I just read the transcript of the recent flame war on this net.  As well, 
I read a post(s) bashing the Phish.net.  From what I understand of the 
beginnings of the phish.net it seemed to start out much the way minarets 
currently seems to me, a discussion group among friends.

I have enjoyed Phish for several years now, and had heard the raves 
about DMB.  I worked in a record store and got a promotional copy of 
"Rember Two Things."  At first, I didn't get it.  It was good, but it 
didn't sweep me off my feet.  I didn't realize most of it was live until 
reading the liner notes after several listens.  With Phish the 
musicianship is overt.  With DMB everything is much more subtle, almost 
mellow, but it is clear the music is mellow on the surface, but very 
frenetic beneath it.  I think to an average untrained listener, it is 
very difficult to hear what is going on right away.  In today's fast 
paced society, a lot of people who don't get it right away will dismiss 
it.  Clearly, people are starting to get it.  "Under the Table.." is #1 
on Rolling Stones "Alternative" chart.

I'm going to see The Dave Matthews band for the first 2 times this 
weekend in San Jose and Davis with Phish.  I'm really excited to see both 
bands! 

Geoff Balleisen				"Five pounds,
	gjb@ccnet.com				six pounds,
		gjballeisen@ucdavis.edu			seven pounds"


Posted By: Barrett.S.Shaver@dartvax.dartmouth.edu
Time/Date: 3:46 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: "A Prayer In The Pentagon"

After some searching I finally found "A Prayer In The Pentagon", the poem by
Robert Dederick which Dave says inspired "Typical Situation", and I thought
I'd share it with the group. The poem can be found in a collection of
Dederick's works called "The Quest and Other Poems" published by Purnell of
Cape Town in 1968.
In case you want to know, I'm borrowing the book from UMass right now (it's
sort of hard to find). Thank you to Shannon for the help. Indents indicate
continuation of the previous line. 

          A PRAYER IN THE PENTAGON 
														
	by Robert Dederick

                          Nine

planets, Sir, endlessly circle, Sir,
one yellow star among Sir's galaxies:
Pluto Neptune Venus Jupiter
Saturn Uranus Mercury Mars and this-
this watered and this aired this favored one
where all that crawl and swim and fly
			and run
that drove and swarm and herd and flock
			are in
with tooth and leg and lung and claw and fin
created clothed and colored are by Sir

												
Eight

colors (counting white) Sir's rainbow makes
when whiteness on Sir's broken waters 
			breaks
arched over tidal blue and branching grey
and grazing green and foaling brown down
			and away
with gorsing yellow glow and honeyed hay
and petalled blush and mottled winging whir;
the limpid eyes each of Sir's colors wakes
dark-irised are and cleared and curved 
			by Sir

        								
Seven

tossing seas Sir's pent-up lands divide
where silver shoals in aching green-ness 
			glide
turn suddenly and dart and flatly lie
break surface plunge and from each other 
			hide
and stare as though by staring they aver
what sweet surprise had widened each 
			wide eye
that once looked early on creating Sir

													
Six

senses there were then in us who were
salt-tasting all along the salt-scented shore
who felt crust cool and looked on
			shrinking sea
and heard gull-cry on draining estuary
and found back of these five a something 
			more:
a sense of self and back of self--Sir

													
Five

fingers though (counting a thumb) were
			what
we mostly were aware of as we fought
Sir's elements and cleared Sir's forests
			and sought
creation-wise new metalled ways to go
by spinning wheel and wing off runway. So?

												
Four

quarters of our world began to grow
too few and of Sir's yellow star we thought
equations scribbled bubbled in retort
distilled its hot explosive secrets. So?

												
Three

questions pose themselves now as we wait:
did Sir not know how to end what Sir began?
Or could we choose? Or did Sir always
			plan?

												
Two

hands of ours to bring us soon or late
bent to destroy what the hands of Sir
			had wrought

												
One

day when we and all our world are brought 
			to

											
Nought?


Posted By: malachi@leland.Stanford.EDU
Time/Date: 5:24 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Re: Point to be pondered...

On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Sir Buford wrote:

> 
> If we don't want to be labeled, then why do we keep calling people newbies?
> 
> just some food for thought.....
> 
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> |Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
> |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
> |Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
> |									|
> |	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
> |	"No..."								|
> |	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
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> 
> 

It's pretty convenient term and generally very temporary, and can be a 
blessing. Anyway, in the course of my TAPE offer, I was asked several 
times what exactly a newbie was. I think it's someone with few tapes, 
rather than little time on the net.  I responded with "5 or less" on a 
whim, but maybe a collected effort could define a newbie (FOR OFFER 
PURPOSES ONLY!).

			M A L A C H I


Posted By: EJ_Tiedeken@ACAD.FANDM.EDU
Time/Date: 6:01 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: ***New Year's offer 12/31/93 at Richmond***

Hey everyone,
        I have just subscribed to minarets and would like to offer my copy
of last new year's show to the first five to respond with decent DMB tapes
to trade. My copy is only one tape and the second side ends with Seek Up,
so I am not sure if this is the entire show. The quality is A+, so you
might be interested. I will post the five who are part of the offer no
later than tomorrow at 5:00pm


                                                        Runaway Eric


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 6:02 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Labeling and newbies etc....

After mucho thinkning on this topic, I have come to a conclusion. Someone 
else will eventually name us, whether we like it or not. As a recent post 
said, a name stems from convienice. We use 'newbies' as a name to offer 
tapes to those with few, or to explain to someone what exactly the hell 
FTP means. Someone else out there who is not in our little bubble, nor 
wants to be, will give us some kind of name for their convienience. I am 
assuming dead-heads was created by someone besides a dead fan, and we 
created Bagbys as a convenient word for bootlegs. Speaking of Bagbys...

1)Dan gave me tapes with return postage at Wait chapel, but the address 
was to Radford (I think) and they have been mailed, so sorry Magus...

2)Get 7-6-93 or 7-7-93, Greg Howard is a god, and to quote dave "One 
person, two hands...."

3)Trent Reznor is a musical mastermind, i bow down now....|\| | |/|

4)I abhor self inflicted surgery, but self piercing is very cool....

Kudos...... 

*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
|									|
|v4.0									|
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Posted By: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
Time/Date: 6:05 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Rant and Rave.

hey all.

  i couldn't sleep last nite so i decided to do something i only do
in complete helpless states of boredom. i turned on the picture tube.
straight to MTV of course, cause i thought it would be the only thing
entertaining. hey, maybe i could catch that DMB interview i have yet
to see. but little did i know what had happened to this cable network
station while i was gone.

   MTV used to be entertaining and mostly pertain to music. now music
makes up 1/3 of programming and the rest of the programming is trying
to program its main audience. the 15-25 age group i would say. yes i
believe most of us fall under this category on this net. give or take
a few years. but anyway.... i was watching a video at 5 in the morn
of Tom Petty's new song ..." you don't know how it feels to be
MEEEEEEE...." and i heard this obnoxiuos fucking noise in the coolest
part of the song. he's supposed to say " and lets get to the point,
and roll another joint..."  but Mr.MTV made him say " lets get to the
point and roll another BLAAAARRANNGAAA...." whoa. i was pissed. why
do they edit out that word? Then Snoop Dogggy Dog's "Gin and Juice"
song came on. now a few months ago they only edited out a little bit,
but the version i heard,at 5 in the morn mind you, sounded like Snoop
had a major case of the stutters. you could'nt understand a damn
thing he was saying due to the silence MTV put on certain words.
  weird.   my theory is this. once the government found out how much
influence MTV actually has on the youth of this nation,the Govt.started
to place restrictions and such. CONTROL. so now MTV can't be a rebel
leader 'cause they have Big Daddy looking at 'em with open eyes,ears
and pockets.  The saying that goes " there's TV and there's MTV" is
so true.....
    ....on my travels across this country i ended up in a small
town in IOWA of all places. it was such a small community that
everyone in the town could leave their coffee cup at the Hardee's
and the counter person would know which cup was yours!!! i was
scared. anyway, the kids of this town had nothing linking them to
the other youth of the nation besides what MTV showed them. this
town breeded misfits and MTV clones to the tee. they made up
problems that didn't exist and acted liked their favorite MTV
personality thinking it was reality. it freaked me out,but they
seemed to be enjoying themselves,so let it be. this just showed me
what an impact TV and MTV can have. so back to the government. the
big boys on capitol hill really saw what an impact the youth had on
the 92 elections for President, thus seeing how powerful MTV was at
spreading information to their audience. if you go back and watch
MTV during the 92 race for President it is ridiculous at how far
they leaned toward Clinton. well we're not the only ones that
noticed. because it seems that after the elections MTV went thru
some major changes in their programming.
 correct me if i'm totally off on this and just being a freedom hippie-punk.
 i haven't watched MTV in a long time, so i maybe caught it while i was
 in a bad mood or something. but if anything i said makes sense. 
 think about it.
  
   now about the joint not being mentioned in Tom Petty's song.
that was just blatant censorship. yes, pot is still illegal, but
Tom was just capturing a feeling. granted we don't want 12 year
olds running around thinking they're cool for smoking pot,or IOWANS
thinking they are drug pins(though all in fun)............. a few
words in a song are not going to make a junkie. taking the words out
of a song are gonna' make kids wonder. the VERY AWARE are gonna'
seek out the answer. when you cut a piece of a picture out you don't
overlook it, you wonder what the hell was there! sooo....you take
something away and its human nature to wonder WHY it was taken
away. am i making sense i hope so. my brain has been around too long
already and its hard to make words of my sense.
  
so what i'm getting at is this:
 
don't be surprised if the streotypical "X" generation person
appears on MTV one day with a flag in one hand and another flag
under foot.
the commercial would go as follows.
 (young man with go-tee and plaid shirt and jeans appraches camera)
 (young man seems to be stoned but very deep in thought)
 (young man speaks)

 "You know, i may be a slacker, but i know what is right and wrong.
 and the - {fill in foreign country here} - are dead wrong in what they
are doing. - {fill in propaganda} - So I've come to this conclusion,man.
WAR is cool."   
 (end commercial telling how to become a killer in the name of "freedom")


o.k. this seems a little bit overboard. they are some instances in
the world where there is no other choice but to use force in order
to attain peace. i have experienced this first hand i am sure. but...
it seems that the fighting of today is for CONTROL of temporal
matter, and thats it.  Dave Matthews says everything perfect in "CRY
FREEDOM "

                    "  Hands and feet are alike,
                      but faith between divides us,
                      hands and feet are alike,
                      but gold between divides us.
                      so we slip away. "

Dave goes on to say that wars divide us as well.

or this: " let this flag burn to dust, and a new of fair design be
           raised, while we wait,head in hands and hands in prayer
           and fall into a dreamles sleep again... and we'll wait. "

well if freedom is just a state of mind, mine has been temporarily
fucked with by a freakin' TV. 

" Pour a pitcher of water and honey on your TV then step outside and
                            BREATHE.."


i'm out of control. sorry to write all this. but i just happened to
be on the Minaret net when it all hit me. and i had to free my head
from the thick confusion.  PEACE.


                       just another hippie-punk for love,

                                 CHA * *
                                     \_/


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 6:06 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Clare wears fishnet!!!!

Oh yeah, more points...

I just discover Shawn Colvin, and she and Shannol Worrell sound alot 
alike voicewise.....
I'm still working on Shannon Worrell tapes by the way...

Anyone got any suggestions on a relatively cheap, but good DAT I can hit 
my parents up for for x-mas....

NYE is it baby.....

Clare likes kinky lingerie

*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
|									|
|v4.0									|
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Posted By: KMUHLHAU@smith.smith.edu
Time/Date: 7:20 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Please help!

Hi everyone.
	I have experienced a great tragedy.  The best Dave bootleg in
history was eaten by my mother's tape player.  I was trying to take a relaxing
bath, put in the ..... It's too disturbing to go through again.
	Can anyone out there replace this exactly or with something similar?
I have some great old stuff to trade.  It was an acoustic Dave show at the 
Deeke fraternity at UVA in 92(?).  Songs other than the usual ones included
Redemption song, Blue Water - I have the set list, but not on me.  Please
help. I circulated a few copies nefore I lost it.
	I'll do anything fpr a replacement of my treasure trove!

		Have a nice evening minareters - Kristin

P.S. This ant t-shirt better be pretty spectacular.


Posted By: VGROSS@WELLESLEY.EDU
Time/Date: 7:51 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: The Wiggly Compilation-Get it

bands really smoke, oh yeah Blue Miracle (DC) is awesome.  Every song jams, and there are a bunch of different styles on it.  The info as provided in the ad forordering is   
 $12 to ColorWater Productions
	   28 Melby Lane
	Roslyn, New York 11576

See ya,  
Vicky


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 8:02 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: boopie buys cinammon love oil...

at kiss and make up.

woo woo
llet the slandering stop. but i must say nin rocked the house. trent is a 
god and a deity. and 'suck' kicked a little hampton ass.

i agree with dear chris the boopie sir buford, a name will come to us 
once we are least expecting it and most need it.
seek not, for ye shall find....
or something like that... 
i feel like getting all introspective and philosophical right about now.. 
but i think melrose comes on in a few.. and i've got to watch party of five.

ask chris about the adult christmas stocking. heh heh. quite a sight the 
two of us are. lD/]_S

*******************************************************************************
 'i wanna smash the faces of those beautiful boys, those christian boys... 
        so you can make me come it doesn't make you jesus' -t.amos
 
                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 9:10 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: Re: Rant and Rave.

On that censorship thing...

How come you can't mention pot on MTV, but Stone Temple Pilots can say 
"too much tripping and my soul (sole)'s worn thin?) Is it because of the 
thinly veiled double meaning?

		My soul's not TOO thin yet,
		Adam

Oh- since there's no official Dave content here, I'll have to make a 
newbie offer to atone for my sins. Next post.


Posted By: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
Time/Date: 9:19 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: RE: rant and rave.

***This post has other important info. below this babble. READ ON if you
   wish to hear of a Bagby offer. However, i need to take lessons
   from Sir Buford on brevity of posts...help me condense my thoughts 
   Boofy......now for the post.

Re:my post of RANT and RAVE.

 WOW. there is this saying of how you don't know what you think until
you see it written down...well, i just read my own post and i still
don't see my thoughts clearly. pick what you can out of it. 
Basically, think i was bummed on the fact that the govt. has crept
into yet another aspect of my life. i don't need a leader,
exsperience is my teacher. there is someone who posts on the net
that has a quote after their name about "questioning authority".
read it.  it makes sense.
    now , enuff groveling...to action all ye' in favor of the great
    chipmunk king.....chunky monkey and a J.

********************************************
Re:whats a Bagby?
 
to answer the Bagby's question. yes, it came from my mixed-up attic
of babble. i was trying to create some Californiain lingo for bootleg
and came up with Bagby. i told Jeff some of us on the net had started 
using the term. he said:
      "shut the fuck up.." he had an embarassed look on his face.
AHHHHAAA, but i could tell he was honored. those that know the
Bagman can attest that he is very modest and one the coolest people
to hang with. not to mention he gets good ___. {fill in a plant}
and also allows for the confusion and mayhem that surrounds the
tapers concert realm....
                     ***( but its sooo fun to be wiggin' about enuff
  space for a song and come out with perfect timing.  one time I was
  stressin' about a song being cut. the song ended and i took out my
  tape to look at how much room i had left...
  the very end of the magnetic black part and the beginning of the
  end clear part were right smack in the middle of that little square
  fuzzy thing. the tape wouldn't have recorded another milli-second.
  Blake and I looked at each other and exclaimed with eyes in disbelief
  and voices in awe...
          " that was a miracle. that WAS a miracle...." )***

so for Jeff to allow miracles such as this to happen,
we must tap him as the leader of the tapers and name his little
oblong magnetic children after him. 
All hail to the BAGMAN !!!!.

**************************************************************
 Re: a freebie Bagby.
    
     Does anyone know where the word "DAMABA" originated. i'm
interested if you can trace it. not the obvious meaning, but where it
came from. it will take some sleuthdom and questioning of fellow
Minetters...    
  Anyone that tells me the correct answer will get TWO hot Bagby's 
free of charge. no obligations.
one old and one new.
 ALSO,if you can tell me Leroi's tour drink of choice,
i will throw in a picture of Dave from long ago and bald. Both
questions must be answered to receive both or one. or you can just
tell me to go to hell and ask your next door neighbor for some
Bagby's.  but its sooo fun to be challenged.... LATES.

                 supporting all fiery and furry creatures of chance,
                 and now i'll shut up (yea right) so you can think,
                 PEACE,

                                CHA * *
                                    \_/


Posted By: jfogelso@emerald.tufts.edu
Time/Date: 9:56 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: advice needed

This is kind of stupid,but it's been getting at me for a while and I have 
to ask it and hope that some sensible person can answer it for me.  Here 
goes:
Suppose you have been working very hard at improving your bagby 
collection for some time and you return home with a few of your 
favorites(say 20), only to be assulted with pleas from your best friend 
and younger sister to copy every single tape.  Now, these people do not 
have the resources to get access to any dmb tapes themselves, so out of 
compassion you let them copy at will, but VERY BEGRUDGINGLY.  After all, 
you worked your ass off taping and trading like a fool and they're 
copying your stuff for free, with nothing to trade and no remote promises 
of anything within the next age.  WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
-Also,anyone have a copy by some rare chance of dmb, ocean blue, and the 
connells from August of 1992?  This was my first time seeing dmb, when I 
first heard spotlight, which made me fall in love with the band.
Thanks to all who read and responded.
Be nice as much as your sanity can allow,
Jen

Fred-where are you?write me!
Toole-I petted my dog for you over turkey break.


Posted By: dan@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu
Time/Date: 11:15 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: dat

Well
	i have but one DMB dat, just one, and well, would like to get 
more, if someone wants to trade, i can send off the dead and phish lists, 
and well that is all....

dan
*****************************************************************************
Daniel W. Schar Dept. of Biology/Marine Science. University of South Carolina
Internet: dan@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu or dwschar@univscvm.csd.scarolina.edu
****************<href="http://tbone.biol.scarolina.edu/~dan"****************


Posted By: Sara.E.Burch@dartvax.dartmouth.edu
Time/Date: 11:41 PM Monday, November 28, 1994
Subject: NEW YEARS

Hi from hanover,
If anyone has any extras for new years and is already showing signs of the
holiday spirit, i could REALLY use a few! Most any asking price would be
reasonable but please try and be friendly. 
Respond as soon as possible.
Thank you kindly.
Sara


Posted By: Jonatha687@aol.com
Time/Date: 2:58 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: I'm really disturbed...

Did I miss something here?


Posted By: lmorgan@uclink.berkeley.edu
Time/Date: 3:59 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Santa Cruz

hi

Dos preguntas:

a) Anyone know where the DMB show is in Santa Cruz this week?

b) Anyone going to see DMB in San Jose (with Phish) or San Francisco (with e:)?

Gracias.
 
><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< Joe & Laura ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <><


Posted By: EJ_Tiedeken@ACAD.FANDM.EDU
Time/Date: 4:33 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: 12/31/93 offer winners!!!!!!

These are the five who are part of my offer

Warren <PARRINOW@tiger.hsc.edu>
Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
CHE <ROOPC@tiger.hsc.edu>
mike noll <MN6628%CMSUVMB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu>
Todd Shalom <tshalom@acs.bu.edu>

Sorry to all those whom I had to deny. Maybe next time


                                                        Runaway Eric


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 9:07 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: more. more. i want more. spaghetti is good....

hey folks, to whoever is in charge of t-shirt making and such, i want
to add one more thing:

i don't think that the address of this net should appear anywhere on
the shirt.  not that i want minarets.net to be an elitist secret society,
but i also don't want random people sitting down at computers and
playing flamebait jokes on the net.  it's already happened a couple
of times, and i think if we make our address as public as possible, it
will become more frequent.  

but at the same time, people who want to get online should be able to,
so if anybody important is paying attention (alex, maybe you could pass
this on to someone if you haven't already), get the management type 
people in c-ville to get the address right in the next newletter.
in the last one i read, they called it minaret.net which can be
misleading.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
                                   \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: arabella@mail.utexas.edu
Time/Date: 10:33 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Announce: JACKOPIERCE mailing list

If you want to get on the JACKOPIERCE mailing list....

send a message to: majordomo@kspace.com

with the message

subscribe jp <your email address>

I came across this while surfing WWW yesterday......just thought I'd pass
it along for those interested.

As far as I've been told, Cary Pierce and Jack O'Neill are actually
participants in the list as well....


\____ ----- ____/  Arabella Clauson
     ( o o )       arabella@mail.utexas.edu
      \   /        The University of Texas
       (_)         at Austin


Posted By: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
Time/Date: 10:49 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Davmaltations.

`hey all.'
 To answer some questions on this Davmal tape creation thing.

 the tape that is being created will consist of Davetalk, 
Davesqueals, Boydisms, and the like. also to be included are
some old,sparse,funny JAMs i come across. like from '91 before Boyd
was even a permanent member. weird. some are high quality, some are
low, take it or leave.... fuck it, its a gift, be a happy camper...
   ...and the first side is almost complete...
...but theres a whole nother side to go and you never know
what might pop up. its already fun to listen to. there are alot of
teasers on it, if you know what i mean. beginnings or middle or
endings of songs. but each holds a certain significance. its sorda
like that song "hooked on classics". a whole bunch of things strung
together. it has no chronological or particular order either. hell,
i stayed up until 5 again last nite, ended up getting drunk while
pursuing this tape, read 50 pages of "run with the hunted" as
suggested by our goddess of the net, and danced a mean tribal dance
to Minarets after a sudden burst of 4 a.m. energy. so you take this
tape with that in mind and lets groove sometime and come steppin' in
A.M. together.  PEACE.

               
                Sailing into the Sun with a Nappy Head and Grin,

                               CHA  * *
                                    \_/


Posted By: tbeck@lobster.mis.udel.edu
Time/Date: 11:00 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: subscribe me

I am trying to join this network which I think is a Dave Mathewes Band 
E-mail group. Please tell me exactly what I need to do to join since my 
previous attempts failed.  Thank you.  Talbot Beck


Posted By: l_leclai@hamlet.uncg.edu
Time/Date: 11:12 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Rant and Rave.

On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Chardy McEwan wrote:

> 
> hey all.
> 
>   i couldn't sleep last nite so i decided to do something i only do
> in complete helpless states of boredom. i turned on the picture tube.
> straight to MTV of course, cause i thought it would be the only thing
> entertaining. hey, maybe i could catch that DMB interview i have yet
> to see. but little did i know what had happened to this cable network
> station while i was gone.
> 
> i was watching a video at 5 in the morn
> of Tom Petty's new song ..." you don't know how it feels to be
> MEEEEEEE...." and i heard this obnoxiuos fucking noise in the coolest
> part of the song. he's supposed to say " and lets get to the point,
> and roll another joint..."  but Mr.MTV made him say " lets get to the
> point and roll another BLAAAARRANNGAAA...." whoa. i was pissed. why
> do they edit out that word? Then Snoop Dogggy Dog's "Gin and Juice"
> song came on. now a few months ago they only edited out a little bit,
> but the version i heard,at 5 in the morn mind you, sounded like Snoop
> had a major case of the stutters.  

   Hey there y'all.

This was very disturbing to me also.  I saw the dreaded edit of T. Petty 
on VH1 (the things I watch when I'm babysitting and the kids are 
asleep.)  Couldn't believe they did that to the song, when the program on 
right before was a stand-up comedy show and I couldn't beleive the things 
they allowed them to say on the air.  I'm not one for censorship, but at 
least they could be consistent!

I never want to see a Dave video if the tv's gonna cut stuff out.  I 
mean, can you imagine right before Jimithing, Dave saying "here's a song 
about getting  brrbjsisdk...."??  Just wound't be good.

on another note, I seem to have lost my set one of Dave and Tim at the 
wetlands last January, right when I need it for a trade.  Won't grovel 
yet, I'll clean the months worth of build-up out of my car first.  Man I 
hope it's there underneath the stale saltines and the AAA maps!

Take it easy!

-Dash    :)


Posted By: sstowell@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 11:55 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Announce: JACKOPIERCE mailing list

Isn't this the Jackopierce mailing list?  I am really confused.


Posted By: s262612@gettysburg.edu
Time/Date: 11:56 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: dmb questions

does anyone have the set list to the show at the trax on 11/17/92?

-does anyone have a tape of the 10/12/94 Newark, DE show?

-how about the lisner, DC show on 11/8/94?

-does anyone have a good copy of a dave and tim show they can make me if i
send tapes?

if so, respond to sully at  s262612@gettysburg.edu


Posted By: jcdavis@wam.umd.edu
Time/Date: 11:59 AM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: I gots some questions..

Some questions...

I have a tape from Trax 9/93 where Greg Howard sits in on Chapman for 
Steffan cuz' the crazy little guy put his little ol' hand through a window.
Now the question is as follows: The tape begins with a little 
davetalk(tm) and then he plays a really really cool song that is labeled 
as "???" on the tape. Now I assume that this is one of those ""untitled" 
songs that I have heard about. Ok here's the question, for real: Does he 
ever play this song again? on any other tapes? I really like it.

Ok a 'nother question...

In hopes of perhaps giving everyone a very merry christmas( or happy 
chanukah, joyful quanza, silly solstice, depending) I thought it would be 
nice if those of us with numerous tapes could post their tape lists so 
that those of us seeking rarities could contact those in possesion of 
said rarities. Even as I write this I realize this could be a bad idea as 
many people will be receiving alot of mail so perhaps someone could 
come up with a better idea.

ooh ooh! a nother one!

this time a short one. Are NYE tix sold out? if so does anyone have extras?
thanks..


Posted By: FORTINJS@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU
Time/Date: 12:13 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 369

Hello DMB fans,
	Have not posted what i have been wanting to talk about because i have
been to busy with school. But most of you probably know how that is.  So if you
just want facts and not discussion read on my brothers and sisters, read on.

Topic number 1:  Potatoe???
	First of all the correct spelling is Dave Matthews. Some idiots have
been misspelling dave's name which really pisses me off. After all we are all
brought together because of this man and his band the least you could do is
spell his name right. 

Topic number 2: Over 21 shows
	Being from lovely and exciting OHIO DMB almost never plays here in fact
the closest they have been to me at school(Cincinnati if you cared), was at
Indiana University at a club.  That was no problem and i was more than willing
to drive the two hours there but wasn't i pissed off when the lady at ticket
master told me the bar was a twenty-one and over club.  Extremely pissed off i
called the club, I can splurge for exspensive phone calls during day rates, and
try to see if there was any way to get in the club. I even have an i.d. but the
lady was pretty cool and explained that they check the i.d.'s very well and
that i probably would not get in.  She agreed with me that the policy was
bullshit but there was nothinmg to do about it.  So i very calmly said thanks 
and hung the phone up, and yelled  FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God Damn was i pissed off, in fact i still am.  I have not seen DMB isnce the
summer and only a total of twice.  I do not expect any of you to do anything
about this i just wanted to bitch. Thanks for listening.

Topic number 3:  DMB music or lack of
	One of the reasons i started on the net was to get in touch with other
fans and hopefully trade some tapes.  I have already gotten numerous reply's
and thank each one of you because after all one can never have to much DMB. 
But beforte the net i had never heard of "trees" and am now very interested in
participating, if anyone needs help on a project or one in the future mail me
because i would love to help out.

Topic number 4:  DMB in OHIO?
	Some people have told me that DMB plays each year at Dennison
University and was wondering if he was going to play there again this year? If
anybody knows please tell me.

Topic number 5:  personal
	My girlfriend, oops do not know if i can call her that, is being very
difficult about our relationship. Can you tell i'm pussy wipped?  Love????

Topic number 6:  Band members
	Just curious if any other netters, which i'm sure they have, have ever
met any of the band members and gotten to talk to them.  I have met Dave and
Boyd, but when i met them i was in such awe i did not even think to talk to
them.  It is one of those things i think i will always regret.  Dave just
finished playing about ten songs by himself after the band played for an hour
and a half(this was on the hoard tour) and i went up to get his autograph.  He
signed my recently cover and then i shook his hand. Damn his hands were strong!
Do not know if any of you noticed that. Then i just looked at him, i think he
was waiting for a question or just to talk and all i could say was THANKS!!!!
What a dumb ass i was!!!! If i could just meet him know i have about a thousand
questions i like to ask him about the songs, the lyrics, his life, and life in
general.  
	Is it just me or does Stephan Lessard seem like the quiet member that
hides?  I know he is young christ i am older than him, but i wonder what he is
like as a person???

Thanks a lot for listening and am waiting for responses,
					"The Chaud"


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 12:36 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: I gots some questions..

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Jeremy Cameron Davis wrote:

> Some questions...

some answers...

> I have a tape from Trax 9/93 where Greg Howard sits in on Chapman for 
> Steffan cuz' the crazy little guy put his little ol' hand through a window.
> Now the question is as follows: The tape begins with a little 
> davetalk(tm) and then he plays a really really cool song that is labeled 
> as "???" on the tape. Now I assume that this is one of those ""untitled" 
> songs that I have heard about. Ok here's the question, for real: Does he 
> ever play this song again? on any other tapes? I really like it.

that show is 7/6/93 TRAX, Charlottesville VA.  I have the song labeled as 
Greg Howard Jam.  But I'm sure that if you check one of Greg's discs out, 
the proper name could be found.

That same song was played the next night 7/7/93 Floodzone Richmond VA.  
It rocks...

peace and Cookie Dough...be safe.

oh yeah, anyone that I owe tapes to...get in touch and remind me.  
life is kinda hectic...

'oooohhhhh Blake Campbell...my life is a shamble...'


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 12:41 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Rant and Rave.

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, LAURA . LE CLAIR wrote:
> I never want to see a Dave video if the tv's gonna cut stuff out.  I 
> mean, can you imagine right before Jimithing, Dave saying "here's a song 
> about getting  brrbjsisdk...."??  Just wound't be good.
> 
or if in Rhyme & Reason he said "take this nedjedje to the vehfje"

or "smfdhsgh  my mind to make me feel better for a while"

hehehe
maybe he will have to rename tripping billies to hangin billies

hahha I crack myself up...
*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
|Chris "Boofy" Buford 							|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
| "The future is no place to place your better days..." 		|
|									|
|v3.1	|-)				David Matthews	 		|
*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*


Posted By: jcdavis@wam.umd.edu
Time/Date: 1:57 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: I gots some questions..

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, C. Blake Campbell wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Jeremy Cameron Davis wrote:
> 
> > Some questions...
> 
> some answers...
> 
> > I have a tape from Trax 9/93 where Greg Howard sits in on Chapman for 
> > Steffan cuz' the crazy little guy put his little ol' hand through a window.
> > Now the question is as follows: The tape begins with a little 
> > davetalk(tm) and then he plays a really really cool song that is labeled 
> > as "???" on the tape. Now I assume that this is one of those ""untitled" 
> > songs that I have heard about. Ok here's the question, for real: Does he 
> > ever play this song again? on any other tapes? I really like it.
> 
> that show is 7/6/93 TRAX, Charlottesville VA.  I have the song labeled as 
> Greg Howard Jam.  But I'm sure that if you check one of Greg's discs out, 
> the proper name could be found.
> 
> That same song was played the next night 7/7/93 Floodzone Richmond VA.  
> It rocks...
> 
 Ok..Now I have a new question. Are you SURE? cuz I have a song labeled 
as Greg Howard jam too and it is Greg and Carter Jamming...But the song I 
am talking about is just dave I believe..and there is singing.. 

and another one: Does anyone have 7/7/93 that I could trade for? I gots 
lotsta bagby's..
thanks..


Posted By: lmorgan@uclink.berkeley.edu
Time/Date: 2:02 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject:

hi

I owe a few people tapes from a newbie offer a little while back. I can
assure you all, I'm working on them now that I'm settled in a new home.
Thanks for your patience.
 
><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< Joe & Laura ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <>< ><> <><


Posted By: fhouse@vt.edu
Time/Date: 2:03 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Williams College

        I posted this question once before a couple of weeks ago and didn't 
get any responses from anyone, and damn it, I know someone knows the 
answer!!!... Unfortunately I don't have the funds to offer free tapes and 
such if someone responds but I'm always willing to make copies for people... 
Anyway, to the point...

 I have a copy of the Williams College show, 12/11/93, and the opening song 
is labeled "Route 2"... My friend has the same tape and his opener is 
labeled "Walking"... I haven't heard or seen this song on any other bagby, 
anybody know anything about it?

Mucho gracias....
                                Fred House


Posted By: tpalvino@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 2:05 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: whatever

I am almost done with all the lexington tapes- i have sent the tapes out 
to 18 people and hooked up 6 people around here....yes thats 48 tapes 
dubbed -my deck is panting-  anyway..........i've been so busy giving out 
the lex show that i have been unable to trade for some tapes i really want-
so if any of you (fill in name of what we are going to be called) out 
there have the most recent Irving plaza (dave & tim) or the 10/31 phish 
show OR some HQ rusted root please let me know.. I have a good amt to 
trade  .i need to get some new tapes soon ..my generosity streak is fading fast...
what the hell was that post about penis operations?????

I'm bummed out because its been overcast the last couple of days and my 
chia-pet won't grow.......content in dreaming-tjp
          ***********************************************
	  *T.J. Palvino      |..every wisdom has its    *
	  *p.o. box 131      |price, my head up in the  *
	  *lexington VA 24450|stars and my feet planted * 
	  *(703)462-4784     |firmly on the ground..    *
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          *****MY HEAD WON'T LEAVE MY HEAD ALONE*********


Posted By: jay1@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 2:07 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: max points

Hey all...
	Is anyone interested in trading my max points for your Dave 
tapes?  I have approximately 500 max points that I don't need.  If 
anyone's interested, e mail me back at crf3@acpub.duke.edu. Thanks. Cheri


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 2:20 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: I gots some questions..

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Jeremy Cameron Davis wrote:

> > > as "???" on the tape. Now I assume that this is one of those ""untitled" 
> > > songs that I have heard about. Ok here's the question, for real: Does he 
> > > ever play this song again? on any other tapes? I really like it.
> > 
> > that show is 7/6/93 TRAX, Charlottesville VA.  I have the song labeled as 
> > Greg Howard Jam.  But I'm sure that if you check one of Greg's discs out, 
> > the proper name could be found.
> > 
> > That same song was played the next night 7/7/93 Floodzone Richmond VA.  
> > It rocks...
> > 
>  Ok..Now I have a new question. Are you SURE? cuz I have a song labeled 
> as Greg Howard jam too and it is Greg and Carter Jamming...But the song I 
> am talking about is just dave I believe..and there is singing.. 
> 

ok..I've gotcha now..the song is called Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors, or 
So Happy.  It's been played three times that I know of.  3/23/93 (MY 
BIRTHDAY!!!) TRAX C-Ville VA, 7/6/93, TRAX, and oh shit, I always forget 
the other one...


Posted By: sstowell@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 3:16 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Announce: JACKOPIERCE mailing list

I am really sorry about the Jackopierce question....I am really not that 
dumb, just tired!


Posted By: sonfijw0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Time/Date: 4:01 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject:

The unsubscribe feature is not working.  PLEASE REMOVE ME ASAP.


                                sonfijw0@seraph1.sewanee.edu 
John Sonfield
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, Tn  37383-1000
(615)598-2183


Posted By: jcdavis@wam.umd.edu
Time/Date: 4:12 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Williams College

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Fred House wrote:

>         I posted this question once before a couple of weeks ago and didn't 
> get any responses from anyone, and damn it, I know someone knows the 
> answer!!!... Unfortunately I don't have the funds to offer free tapes and 
> such if someone responds but I'm always willing to make copies for people... 
> Anyway, to the point...
> 
>  I have a copy of the Williams College show, 12/11/93, and the opening song 
> is labeled "Route 2"... My friend has the same tape and his opener is 
> labeled "Walking"... I haven't heard or seen this song on any other bagby, 
> anybody know anything about it?
> 
Ooh ooh! I know! That song was a one-time thing. It was all improvised 
and if you listen to the lyrics you can kinda tell, it's about being 
stuck in the snow coming down route 2 to the show. or something like that.

It really doesn't have a name though.. since Dave didn't specify one.


Posted By: jjthomps@teton.Mines.Colorado.EDU
Time/Date: 4:26 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Early X-mas gift?

okay, so this is my dilemma:

I taped a few shows last week when DMB was in Colorado.  At just about
every one I handed out my address to people who asked about getting copies.
I though I was doing people a favor, Until- I get this package comes in the
mail, 2 brand new maxell IIs tapes.  But here's the problem, not only isn't
there a return mailer with postage, OR a note saying which show they want
me to tape, but there is no indication of who sent the tapes - no note, not
even a freaking return address, not to mention a ph #, and I can't even
read the postmark (as if it would help) 

 I've waited a week now for some
type of follow-up letter saying "oh, I'm sorry I forgot..."  but no sign -
Any ideas on what to do?  Or did someone just send me an early Christmas
gift?

Jason

.sig file available upon request


Posted By: WIFOY@DAVIDSON.EDU
Time/Date: 4:50 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Tape Labeller 4.0

! From:	IN%"dominic@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu"  "Dominic Sagolla" 29-NOV-1994 16:20:38.04
! Subj:	Tape Labeller 4.0
! Will,
!         Where exactly is this program archived?    i've been searching all
! afternoon...
My apologies. I was playing with mine this afternoon and wanted to get
a new version if one exists.  The file isn't archived at umich. It is
available via ftp/gopher/choose your weapon at sumex-aim.stanford.edu

It is in info-mac/app folder and tape-labeler-40.hqx i think is the name
of the file.  Many kowtows. [ Means "butt my head on the floor"
roughly]  Peace, Will




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   __  "Will you give your heart to me? Will you tell me where your soul lies? 
  /  \ ...Do you see what I can see? Does the night enchant your soul and set
  |e:| you free? oh, do you see what I can see?" -everything:Dame Tu Corazon?
  \__/ "Dark clouds may hang on me sometimes, but I, I'll work it out, and then
	I, look up at the sky"-Dave Matthews Band:Dancing Nancies
                      Phi Gamma Delta-Davidson(Delta Kappa) 
               wifoy@davidson.edu        iN ReaL lIFe:=will foy'96	
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Posted By: barein@mail.wm.edu
Time/Date: 4:52 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: bootlegs

Howdy,

    I have a question.  When people are speaking of bootlegs, are
most of these on tape, and are they good quality?  I have a bunch of
bootlegs of pearl Jam and they are all on CD.  Could somebody give me
some advice on the best way to begin acquiring some of these
bootlegs?  I guess I don't really have anything to trade, but I could
mail people tapes and postage.  Is this the way to go about it?

Thanks

Brett

BRT-ONE


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 4:57 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: I gots some questions..

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, C. Blake Campbell wrote:

> ok..I've gotcha now..the song is called Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors, or 
> So Happy.  It's been played three times that I know of.  3/23/93 (MY 
> BIRTHDAY!!!) TRAX C-Ville VA, 7/6/93, TRAX, and oh shit, I always forget 
> the other one...

11/9/93 cd release party....

So am I wrong and did dave not play any-noise until 7-7-93 for the first 
time?
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|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
|									|
|v4.0									|
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Posted By: saf1@acpub.duke.edu
Time/Date: 5:08 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: good tunes

heard a really cool band on campus before we left for break called
BROWNIE MARY . they are from pittsburgh and they have some sweet jams.  
check them out if you can.

also, for any dave fans in the Washington-Baltimore area, dmb is playing 
at bender arena at american u. on the 30th, with From Good Homes,  FGH is 
really sweet i saw them in raliegh with dave earlier this year.

see y'all at the show!!

sandy
i love clare and so does johnfro


Posted By: JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU
Time/Date: 5:28 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Oh My Good God!

	I had something really cool to post and after I read that horrible tale
of penile surgery, it amazingly slipped my mind!  Someone please tell me that
was all fiction!  I'm still shaking!  The thing that has me the most concerned
is that even though that tale upset me to the very depths of my being, I
read the whole thing.  What does that mean?  WHEW-EEE!!! I'm gonna go home now
and be really nice to my little friend.  Maybe then I'll have the ability to
express complete thoughts that don't relate to that snip-snip-snipping.
		jeff


Posted By: TPUSATERI@tlc-486.clemson.edu
Time/Date: 6:06 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 369

Dear People in Dave Land,
    I was wondering how I can get a hold of that shirt Ive been
reading so much about. Also, if anyone has the new Blue Miracle CD,
how is it. Ive seen them alot in the past 2years in Baltimore (Bank)
and also in Ocean City Maryland. Well, Being in S.C., how can I get a
hold of it?? Is it in stores yet? Someone clue me in.

THANX...................................................TROY


Posted By: campb_c@cs.odu.edu
Time/Date: 6:13 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: I gots some questions..

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Sir Buford wrote:

> 11/9/93 cd release party....
> 
> So am I wrong and did dave not play any-noise until 7-7-93 for the first 
> time?

ummmm...6/22/93...I think that is before 7/7/93.

tame those snakes with the cinammon love oil,
Blake


Posted By: croutons@leland.Stanford.EDU
Time/Date: 6:42 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Rant and Rave.

> > and roll another joint..."  but Mr.MTV made him say " lets get to the
> > point and roll another BLAAAARRANNGAAA...." whoa. i was pissed. why

I heard some discussion on this awhile ago. Here's the info I got - take 
it as you like. Tom Petty, acting independently of The Man, recorded two 
versions of said song. The album version says, "Let's roll another 
joint." and the other, included on a radio station promo (whether it was 
a single or an extended album I don't know) said, "Let's hit another 
joint" - a slightly more ambiguous phrase possibly meaning let's go 
somewhere else. I find it interesting then that MTV is playing a video 
done to the original version and bleeping rather than just using the 
promo version. So...whatever.

Cheers,

Justin

p.s. Since I'm here, I guess I'll throw out my opinion on some of the 
threads going around.

o  T-shirts - good.
o  minarets.net on t-shirts - good
o  ants idea - well ok, visually it sounds good and I like the response 
    suggested by someone for when people ask dumb questions about the shirt.
o  spooning - gggrrrreeat! It is indeed a thing of beauty. I thank ye all 
    for naming this thing we have.
o  I forget what else except that 4 a.m. minarets dances are fun and I'll 
    definitely be looking into the compilation tape of Dave - The Spoken 
Word! :)

Cheers, 

Justin

| "..old enough to know what's right, but young enough   |       Roweman
|  not to choose it...noble enough to win the world, but |   croutons@leland.
|  weak enough to lose it"                               |     stanford.edu
|                                        -Rush           |On a midnight radio..


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 6:42 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Inspiration from Chardy...

Cha's idea of the davetalk tape made me think of other possibilities, esp 
since I am too lazy to compile something that would take so long. 
I am thinking of making a dave rare tunes tape, like the first inceptions 
of songs and such. ie Heathcliff's, granny solo from 11/17/92, any noise 
from 7-14-93 (my favorite), say goodbye solo from HSC or Blacksburg. and 
other stuff like the beautiful dave/peter cry freedom 11/17/92 and the 
truckers cb coming through stephan's amp during Back You Up (7/14 i 
think). Stuff like tangerine and sweet home alabama and nature and me and 
julio and tripping billies with only boyd and dave and seek up solo and....
the possibilities are endless (isn't that some ad?) anyways, more brain 
babble for ya.....

P.S. Chardy, you HAVE to put the afore mentioned "tongue in my butt" 
davespeak from 7-14, its the funniest thing I have ever heard. I know you 
have it, I saw you tape it....

peace to all and to all a good nite...

*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
|									|
|v4.0									|
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Posted By: SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
Time/Date: 7:14 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Trades, trades...

Sorry to bother everyone with this but it's housekeeping that must be done:

Jeremy Davis: what am I supposed to tape for you?  Derryberry & Alagia?  

Mr. Skalinder: weren't you supposed to make some tape for me a long time ago?
               like sometime last spring, i think?

Rick Thompson: were you my branch leader for the dave & tim acoustic tree?
               if you weren't, sorry to accuse you of this but i never got my
               tapes back (this was also a long time ago -- last spring i
               believe)


Take care,

Reid Spice
257 W. Willow Street
Carlisle, PA   17013

SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU


Posted By: tomwa@jsbus.com
Time/Date: 7:21 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: MINARETS digest 370

The show in Santa Cruz is at Palookaville, a new, small club on 
1135 Pacific Ave (The Mall) down on the end towards, but not to,
the Catalyst.  Acustics are not the best, but it is smoke free,
intimate and only $5!

The fisrt and only time I saw DMB was when they opened for Phish,
and I'll be there for both the DMB/Phish shows in San Jose and 
Davis.  There is no SF show that I am aware of.

If you want to say 'Hi' I'm the 6' guy with short hair and a red 
beard dancing wildly.

Peace, Love etc.

Tom

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JSB Corporation                                   Scotts Valley, CA 95066
408-438-8300 ext 209; (in U.S. & Canada) 800-359-3408    FAX 408-438-8360
tomwa@jsbus.com                                                         


Posted By: dominic@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu
Time/Date: 7:30 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: the letter 'j'

hey guys,

in the lyrics file, the key to the songlist uses the initials "djm".
David J. Matthews?    what's the jay stand for?

-dominic

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
read.   bike.    read.    listen to dave.    read.    eat?
sleep.    read.    type.    listen to dave.    write.    eat.
sleep?    play disc.    read.    bike.    listen to dave.    EAT!
eat... eat.    listen to dave.    listen to dave.    hear dave.

repeat until you throw your faith to the face of the next good
             thing that comes your way...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                          |
Dominic Sagolla '96       | dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore College        | dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu
Swarthmore, PA 19081      | sagolla@cs.swarthmore.edu
                          V
 Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 7:45 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: nonsense is the inability of the listener to listen creatively

lesse....
buford and blake we're having a little discussion about any-noise's first 
debut. i mistakenly told blake that dave played it on 6.22.93, but i have 
it as filler on that show, from the 7.27.93 show.

so i'm going to venture to concur with dear mr.kiss-and-make-up that 
7.7..93 was the first time any noise was played. dave prefaces the song 
by saying something like... 'this song is about making noise.... [singing 
to his strumming] any noise... any noise....' hence... the title. heh.

i have no one to spoon with tonight....
*sigh*

'i have become comfortably numb'
love light jubilance gel electrophoresus coffee hardees marlboro lihgts 
puddles to splash in love to make tapes to dub nightmares to wake up from 
comforting arms to embrace seashells to hear the ocean in..... 

clare emily

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     'let's move to the beat like we know that it's over... if you slip 
                     going under slip over my shoulder...'

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
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Posted By: lund4649@blue.UnivNorthCo.EDU
Time/Date: 7:47 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Question?

This is Mike from colorado.....i'd have to say that DMB kicks ass when they
play with the Samples...especially when they opened for them last january
at the Snowmass Conference Center....but, the best show i've seen them play,
though i haven't seen them that often, would be when they rocked Vail last
September with the Freddy Jones Band and Jackopierce....anyhow, who knows 
how i could hook up with some live recordings of DMB, especially of their 
newer songs from "Under the Table and Dreaming"???  Just wanted to know,

						Mike....


Posted By: wandres@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
Time/Date: 7:48 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: RE: Rant and Rave

Leroi's tour drink of choice could be Orange Juice.  At least that is 
what he wanted when I saw them play a 6 song acoustic set at a music 
store a couple of months ago.  

The band was 2 and half hours late, and seemed pretty tired.  They played 
without any amplification except Dave's voice and guitar and Carter kind 
of "beat-boxing" into a mike.
Set included: Ants Marching, Jimi Thing, Cry Freedom (Dave Only), Sweet 
Home (Dave Only), Tripping Billies, and probably another one or two, but 
it was a while ago.  

When the managers brought in pizzas (there is a pizza place downstairs), 
Dave threw out his favorite line about CHEESE.  And then in front of a 
sold-out crowd at the House of Blues, he used it AGAIN.  Hmm...  Maybe it 
is a campaign against dairy products.

Victor
wandres@tulane.edu


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 7:50 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: Williams College

On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Fred House wrote:

>         I posted this question once before a couple of weeks ago and didn't 
> get any responses from anyone, and damn it, I know someone knows the 
> answer!!!... Unfortunately I don't have the funds to offer free tapes and 
> such if someone responds but I'm always willing to make copies for people... 
> Anyway, to the point...
> 
>  I have a copy of the Williams College show, 12/11/93, and the opening song 
> is labeled "Route 2"... My friend has the same tape and his opener is 
> labeled "Walking"... I haven't heard or seen this song on any other bagby, 
> anybody know anything about it?
> 
> Mucho gracias....
>                                 Fred House
> 
> 
I thought I responded last time. Anyway, here goes again ->
we had a discussion about this a while back. Seems Route 2 was written by 
Dave while the band was lost in a Massachusetts snowstorm and late to 
arrive to the show (see the lyrics and this will make sense). Because the 
band was late, the tune sort of served as a soundcheck. To my knowledge, 
it's never been played again. Too bad, if you ask me. Some work and it 
could be something interesting. Eventually. For now it's just a nice rarity.

Maybe this should go in the FAQ. Along with an explanation of Blue Water. 
I've answered questions on these two songs several times.

No newbie offer yet. I'm trying to be creative.
				-Adam


Posted By: CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 8:34 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: mother do you think she's dangerous?

sorry victor.. i'll have to greatly disagree on teh orange juice 
statement... not that it might not be a fav of roi's, but i'm tempted to 
wager prized possessions that roi's fav tour drink is makers mark.
i know this from personal experiences, and many glasses of said liqour 
with roi himself.  along with smokes, of course. 

ah.. speaking of smokes... i say we all have a net cigarette 
together... at precisely 11:45 pm please join me for a cigarette ( or 
insert smoke ofyour choice). you are cordially invited.  and i'll be ever 
so looking forward to this bonding ritual with whoever else participates.

worry-free, you know me!
lil'ole me

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 'i wanna smash the faces of those beautiful boys, those christian boys... 
        so you can make me come it doesn't make you jesus' -t.amos
 
                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************


Posted By: @CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:AHOLLAND.97@DIANA.HCHS.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU
Time/Date: 8:55 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: 8/31/94 @ Jones Beach

  Does anyone out there have tapes of their set from the 8/31 HORDE 
show at Jones Beach?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really don't 
have any DMB to trade, so if anyone does, let me know.  I have a lot 
of phish (including Halloween--the white album) and a lot of GSW.  
All the DMB I have at moment is the 9/4 HORDE set.  Thanks in advance,
                                        --Adam:-)
  "Smoke my mind, help me feel better for a small time"                


Posted By: lb065@nptn.org
Time/Date: 9:13 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 370

hi. I was wondering if anyone had a tour schedule for DMB 
because rusted root is gonna be in cleveland later this week and
i wonder if DMB is opening for them. anyone know? i am going to
be taping the show (both Rusted Root and DMB) so if anyone is
interested in getting a copy, write to me. thanks.


Posted By: STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Time/Date: 10:21 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: rants marching into my head won't leave my head alone...

POT POT POT POT POT POT POT.

MARIJUANA............MARY JANE.

let me take this opportunity to say let's not turn this thread into
a discussion on whether you should get stoned at a dmb show or not.
that's about as moot as discussing on this net why my university's 
president keeps deciding to put campus flower pots ahead of student 
needs. 



here's my take on the eMpTyVee thing-o-morama....

government has nothing to do with it.  i would ask you, chardy, to
prove that statement.  our government may be big, but it's not big
enough to put a restriction on drug references on a cable tv station
without being discovered so fast you don't have time to hide your 
roach.  

i think it's a doo-gooder holier-than-thou effort by an elitist organization
to think that they are having an effect on a particularly politically 
volatile issue.  there's no denying that eMpTy Vee as a corporation takes
the "just say no" stance, even though i highly suspect that this makes a
substantial number of the decision makers there hypocrites (imagine that).

eMpTy Vee is simply trying to redeem their obvious lack of social value by 
espousing a drug free mentality.  

EmPtY CeO: "hey, pass the joint.  by the way, while we're talking about
it, we just elected a president to this country."

bored member 1: "whoa, dude, too cool.  but if we're in this kind of spotlight,
maybe we should think about our credibility."

bored member 2: "yeah, man.  if bob dole finds out that we were stoned when
we decided to endorse clinton, we're toast."

bored member 3: "let's create two stupid little country redneck kids who see
us for what we really are and laugh and say sux all the time."

((random hypnotic clambaked voice: "uh huh huh, huh huh...he said 'sux'"

random annoying nasal back cracking voice: "yeah, 'sux'"))

(everyone looks around a bit unnerved, then CeO looks at bored member 3....)

EmPtY CeO "you're fired."

bored member 2: "well, if we just oppose everything that made us big and then
not tell anyone, we've got it made and we'll be able to elect presidents for
the next century."

EmPtY CeO: "i'm glad i thought that one up.  let's censor tom petty."

coffee boy: "coffee sir?"

EmPtY CeO: "get that caffeine out of here, do you want to get clinton impeached
boy?????????????"  (sound of EmPtY CeO lighting up.)

Marth Quinn: "Can i have my job back now?"

everyone:  "NO!!!!!!!!"

EmPtY CeO: "i hereby adjourn this journey for the sake of a journey to 
jupiter."

bored member 1:"whoa, that was good......"



and what about dave.  this is dave.net, right?  hmmmmm.....

ok, this may be against my better judgment, but a newbie offer:::::

this is only open to people who are digestified, because i know they
get screwed out of a lot of newbie offers.

the first 3 people to mail the header of this digest to me will get their 
choice of a copy of 11-17-92 or 11-9-94.  if you can't edit digest, just
go ahead and forward the whole damn thing to me.  there's a good chance
that making this offer is going to really fill my mailbox, and if that 
happens no one will be able to get through to me, so if you can edit out
the body of the message, please do.

you'll have to mail blanks and postage, and i'll have to wait until
x-mas break to actually get the tapes done.  but there's the offer.  i
haven't spread my wealth around in a long time, and i feel better this
way.

congratulations if you made it this far, and, believe it or not, i'm
not stoned right now.  sockiology is just such a boring class and i
have no choice but to act strange for a while (hence all the political
motivation for this post:)


____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
                                   \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu
Time/Date: 10:48 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: Dave sings Stairway to Heaven?

        I have a tape of the Montreal,  Club Soda show dated 10.5.94,  and 
in the middle of an encore of All Along The Watchtower he begins to sing the 
lyrics to Stairway to Heaven,  it's sound good.  It fits quite well into 
Dave's version of Watchtower.  Does he do this often?  I have never heard it 
before.  If anybody has any Dave songs with other cover tunes mingled in,  I 
would love to hear about it.  Whoever was thinking about putting a rare 
tunes tape together,  I think it's a great idea,  I would personally love to 
hear Tangerine,  Redemption Song,  Sweet Home,  and a good version of 
Exodus.  The only tape I heard with Exodus on it sucked.  I didn't really 
like the way they did it,  but that was due partly to a really crappy tape.  
But if you have any of those covers and want to trade,  I have a bunch of 
good stuff!
        The T-shirt count is now 51 in favor of making,  and 3 maybe's and 
one definately not.  I'm still searching for a good artist,  and info on how 
to figure out prices,  etc...  If you know any good artists,  or have any 
other info,  my ears are open!  Have fun kids,  and what the hell was that 
circumsion deal?
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: allgood@umich.edu
Time/Date: 11:06 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: NYE Show

Hey, it's about that time of year where we should all make a list of the 
people going to the NYE show.  My two buddies and I are driving up from 
Michigan on the 27th, seeing DMB on the 30th and the 31st, we all have 
tickets and we plan on have a gran' ole' time.  We are staying at the 
Mariott on the 31st, probably along with everyone else.  The other nights 
we will be in Vienna, Virginia, staying with our friend.  If everyone 
wants to do something or something kinda cool, then write to the whole 
net.  Other than that, I'll addd our names to the list and hope that this 
will continue.
It's not as if this is incredibly necessary, but, since we are traveling 
a long way, I thought it would be cool to see some of the  faces to some 
of the names. Or, whatever!!!!
	Kyle Langschwager
	Jeff Rinna
	Padraic Moore
Well, I hope this starts an interesting trend.
	Saying Goodbye,
		Kyle


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 11:10 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject: A Newbie Offer!!!!

Yay! After I finish the week, I should be done spinning tapes, so...

Time for another newbie offer from your newbie- friendly friend, who is 
still waiting for some of that good karma from his last newbie offer.

This one's a winner too. I've got two pristine copies of 9-1-92 Trax to 
offer, thanks to Wade. What was the source/gen on that anyway, Wade? 
Sounds fantastic.
Show features a Tangerine intro into Lie in Our Graves, and other good 
stuff from the early days. 
Best part- It's free! At least the tapes are. You'll have to send me a 
check for $1.50 for postage, I suppose. I may even bypass that if I'm 
feeling saucy. Just got my Max Points redeemed, you know. Blank tapes 
cluttering my room.
OK- here's the deal. The first two newbies to email me with, um...
since I'm so immersed in my schoolwork this week, we'll make it work- 
related rather than DMB related.
Tell me what H.P.S.C.I. stands for, and the tapes are yours.
TAPELESS PERSONS ONLY PLEASE! Don't lie. Not 5 tapes or less. No tapes. 
Got it?
OK. That's all.
Laura- Haven't seen you around. Write me a nice message or something :)
If you go to W&L give Alissa Walls a big hug from Adam and Jen.
		Slowly Going Mad,
		Adam


Posted By: tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu
Time/Date: 11:42 PM Tuesday, November 29, 1994
Subject:

i'm new to this whole schpiel, and i'm looking for any live shows 
of DMB.  i'm also looking for samples, rusted root, phish, FJB, and 
blues traveler.  i have shows from the following bands to trade. 
samples, phish, blues traveler, BHT, counting crows, allman brothers, 
black crowes, jayhawks, pearl jam, rem, jane's addiction, u2, smashing 
pumpkins...  if you are intrested please write to me.  *thanks*

your minaret friend,  

geebs.


Posted By: Harry_Hood@fourd.com
Time/Date: 12:07 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Who's the NICEST person on this .net??

Ok folks, here's the deal...

I just got on minarets.net and am looking for live Dave. I have 2 Dave sets,
but they are ass quality.  Anywa a computer means never having to say you're sorry
********************************************************************


Posted By: rbyerly
Time/Date: 12:08 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: I'm really disturbed

Shut up Beavis...


Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 2:28 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: 'I'm drunk, and right now I'm so in love with you..'

mltiple points...

1)from the good response on the rarities tape, I will work hard on 
compiling my best and most random versions of dave tunes on a 90 min 
tape, and I will tree and or post when I've got it done...

2)Edwin McCain is the shit...I (sorry Clare forgot to tell you) had the 
pleasure of seeing them this evening at Hollins and it was kick ass. Get 
this. No taping because the sbaord was shity and I needed a 1/4 inch 
headphone jack converter to rca cable to tape. BUT I was told the tapes 
came out crappy anyway and the sound guy gave me 2 90 MIN soundboard 
tapes from gainsville (ohio?) for FREE cuz I just asked about taping. He 
said that they were done with em and I could have em. Kinda cool as shit, 
they wanted me to be able to tape, but since I couldn' he gave me free 
cool tapes, and free stickers....
Hung out at Carters girlfriends apt....she tossed in UTTAD and was a cool 
girl.....

3)listen to UTTAD on headphones or a nice stereo. Nine inch Nail fans 
(Clare) will aprreciate this, but IMHO Dave should be given mucho credit 
where due in the studio. Listen to Satellite (yes I said it) and listen 
for TIm Reynolds backup acoustic guitar....

4)Edwin just said "go listen to a band you have never heard of, and keep 
us from eating at Taco Bell, we play for you, and you will something or 
other.. I forget already...nicest sound guy I ever met (except Bagby, 
whom I've never formally met). The bass player does sound, and has a 
wireless, and soundchecks while he is at the board, PLAYING!! kinda cool!!

5)again UTTAD (for mucho tape people) should and will be appreciated for 
the COOL ASS SHIT they do in the studio...

6)I have to cd single of the petty tune in question, from my radio job, 
and will listen to the radi and "alternate" version and psot my thoughts 
on it latr....

7)once i review my inbox, I will have forgotten things to say...

The DMBrarities Box Set tape I will be out soon as a offer, for anyone, I 
dont care what you got...anyways....


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|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
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|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
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Posted By: cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Time/Date: 2:38 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Oh yeah...

BTW, 

	yes, my last post has some inebriation in it, but I sabe all the 
wonderful comments on my tape idea, and will get it out....

Any suggestions on a raritie/wierd version of a tune???

Once again Edwin McCain is a stellar band....I might tree the tapes I got

its beddy bye time for me....

latr..

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|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
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|v4.0									|
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Posted By: SLY@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
Time/Date: 2:44 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: I'm really disturbed

....yeah, I'd say you ARE pretty disturbed....you Blue Devils sure do
have odd senses of humor-not a flame just a thought....
Thomas


Posted By: drcraver@mailbox.syr.edu
Time/Date: 9:09 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Building collection

This is in response to the post about being a little disgrunted over
letting sisters and friends copy all thier boots for free.
 
Maybe only because I'm a newbie trying to build a collection the hard 
way I can relate, but I do.
Lets all remember that the music is basically free.  I'll tape for anyone 
providing raw materials as long as I have the time and equipment.
Maybe if the oldies(as generous as they allready are) could help us out:
  When exchanging lists w/ a newbie and nothing catches eye, have send 
  blanks, postage, and IOU in future.
I have done this with boots of old NYHC bands(anyone interested, I think 
I'm beginning to mellow in my age)

Anywho, use DMB for lasting engine protection and reducing viscocity 
breakdown,
          Dan


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 9:48 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Newbie wackiness.

Well, we're quite a creative, if somewhat offbeat bunch of folks.
I must close my newbie offer. Sorry.
I take one random factoid from the material I happen to be studying and 
post it on the net as a trivia question. Next thing you now, I get all 
sorts of creative, if incorrect, responses.
So here's what I'll do. I've got about seven responses. The two most 
creative or humorous get the tapes free. The other five have to send me 
blanks. NOBODY else respond. 
I'm thinking of not granting the newbie request to the person with the 
.mil address that didn't know that HPSCI is the House Permanent Select 
Committee on Intelligence. You should be ashamed of yourself ;)
I'll be in touch with everyone who made the list. Give Wade a big thank you!
				-Adam


Posted By: axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Time/Date: 9:51 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Oh yeah

I'll allow the guy with the Harry Hood email address in on the newbie offer 
if he tells us all where he goes when the lights go out.
					-Adam


Posted By: btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu
Time/Date: 10:46 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: the most recent tour dates I have

Here they are . . . If DMB is playing near you and you have info, write 
me and I'll add it:

The Dave Matthews Band Fall Tour 1994

December:
02 Davis Rec Center (916) 752-6074        Davis CA  *w/ Phish*
03 Event Center Arena (408) 287-9200      San Jose CA  *w/ Phish*
04 Venue TBA                              San Fransisco CA
06 Whisky                                 Los Angeles CA
07 TBA
08 Coach House (714) 496-8930             San Juan Capistrano CA
09 Ventura Theater (805) 642-2064         Ventura CA 
10 Santa Monica Civic Aud. (310) 393-9961 Santa Monica CA  *w/ Phish*
15 Liberty Lunch                          Austin TX
27 Fox Theater                            Atlanta GA
28                                        Brimingham AL
29 Grady Cole Center                      Charlotte NC
30 Lisner Auditorium                      Washington DC
31 Marriott                               Richmond VA

-Ben




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      "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
       How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa
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Posted By: Adam Jason Croan <ajc4w@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
Time/Date: 11:13 AM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: exceptionally disturbed

     Matthew Thomas Gabay

          Post anything like this again and your wild and crazy, disturbed
fantasy just might come true.
          Baby


Posted By: "not in any hurry to live my life..." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 12:04 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: my tape offer

my last past included a tape offer at the end, and i just want to emphasize
that that offer is open _only_ to people who are digestified, meaning
that you just got a big message from minarets entitled "minarets digest
#370."  since i haven't gotten that digest yet, this should be a part of
it.  

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
                                   \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: "Susan J. Stowell" <sstowell@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 12:15 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: the most recent tour dates I have

I was under the impression that Dave would be in Houston on the 16th of 
December....Could someone tell me if I just imagined this?  Thanks.
Susie


Posted By: THE CANDLE'S FLAME <wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu>
Time/Date: 12:17 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: I gots some questions..

the third date is 11-9-93 at Trax--the cd release party for R2T.

Wade


Posted By: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
Time/Date: 12:26 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: I had a clue....

hey all.

   well....i made a little mistake.....only one person that i know of
caught it....the bleeping of TOM's joint was seen by me on VH1 not
eMpTy Vee...sorry...heres a great quote that i love but obviously
rarely go by....

    " It is better to remain silent and appear ignorant,

      then to speak and remove all doubt."

                Peace to you.
                     
                         gettin' the locks braided,

                                 CHA * *
                                     \_/


Posted By: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
Time/Date: 12:49 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Tape of Davetalk address.

hey all.

here it is. very simple paint by numbers way to get the Davmaltations tape.

          1) send a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope to the address
             below on your screen.(this is very important!!!)
                             - or -
         1a) send enuff money to cover a return envelope and
              postage.(most likely $3 or $4). ** if you choose this
              method, don't forget YOUR address written somewhere in
              the package you send me! **

          2) include one 100 minute Type II tape.
           (maxell XL II, TDK SA 90 or anything that says POSITION II)

          3) and last,a 3x5 card stating your astrological sign or 
             whatever you feel like writing at the moment.
         
          4) send the above to this address:

                   Cha McEwan
                   400 Baldwin Road
                   Richmond, VA 23229.


  
**************print this message out before you lose it.****************

THEN...all you have to do is wait and your tape will arrive in the mail!

i wish i could do trades on this offer,but i'm as broke as you can
get and also in debt for my freedom....so i can't really afford to
buy any blanks at the moment...so just take the money and run....i'm
offering a free ride...get on and enjoy....PEACE.

        Gripping the Sun with Bare Hands and Not EvenGetting Burned,

                                 CHA * *
                                     \_/


Posted By: shaft <KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu>
Time/Date: 1:01 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: THAT song!

I'm so very happy, I just picked up a copy of Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors over
break and I wasn't sure if that was the actual title (well actually I think
Dave says it is on the tape, but we all know not to trust his intros). My copy
is a demo, if anyone out there has a live version, I'd love to trade. Tank ye
very muut-ch!
							Kev :-Q

"First they bring in tampons, then they bring in women! It's a conspiricy!!"
							-My Psych prof.


Posted By: FERENCZB@hartwick.edu
Time/Date: 1:04 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: RE: MINARETS digest 369

I'm looking for aanyone who has a great copy of "Say Goodbye" with the whole
band playing.  Lots of crispy critters to trade. 
      If you're interested get back to me  Benny


Posted By: AMZENDEL@unca.edu
Time/Date: 1:30 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Maxell Points ??

What are these Maxell points i've been hearing about on the net.  Is it sort of
the same thing as camel cash or marlboro miles?  Do you get free tapes when you
collect enough or something? 

Sounds GREAT!

alex


Posted By: Jeremy Cameron Davis <jcdavis@wam.umd.edu>
Time/Date: 1:33 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: NYE Tix!

There has just GOT to be someone out there that got extra tix to NYE!
There just got ta be paw! Come on. You're trying to tell me NOONE out 
there were optimistic about going to Richmond for NY, bought tickets and 
then found out they won't be able to make it down there? oh yeah...sure..
You expect me to believe that?! Oh please, PLEASE someone have tickets!

I would be willing...I know...This is a wee bit rash....but it must be 
done....I would be willing to......COPY ALL MY BAGBY'S!! ALL 25 OF THEM!
AND WHATEVER THE HELL ELSE I HAVE! 

Apologies to those people who do not have extra tickets, have enough 
bagby's, can't read english, don't known who DMB is, don't care, or just 
generally are tired of silly grovels like this for the blatant waste of 
bandwidth, whatever that is.

BTW: I really like this -> Oooo
                           (  )
                            ) )
                            (_)  So whoever thought it up...thanks..


Posted By: shelley <SLM94002@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Time/Date: 1:57 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: tom's joint

Tom's joint is also bleeped on mtv, though. what a pity.


Posted By: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
Time/Date: 2:07 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: If your'e not D.HIRKO don't read....

 Forwarded message:
> From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Nov 30 13:42:18 1994
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:41:57 -0500
> From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
> To: mus4rlm
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> While talking to watt.seas.Virginia.EDU:
> >>> RCPT To:<1@watt.seas.virginia.edu>
> <<< 550 <1@watt.seas.virginia.edu>... User unknown
> 550 1@watt.seas.virginia.edu.... User unknown
> 
>    ----- Unsent message follows -----
> Subject: Tapes and other bee's wax...
> To: 1@watt.seas.virginia.edu.
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 13:41:56 EST
> From: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm>
> X-Mailer: ELM-MIME [version 1.0 PL0]
> 
> 
> hey Dave...
> 
>    Glad you enjoy the tapes! get in touch with me before the
> break..before i have to leave this computer behind...and tell me
> where you'll be and what you mean by the 4 blanks you owe me?
> talk to ya' soon...PEACE.
> 
>                           Sailing with a Nappy Head and GRIN,
> 
> 
>                                      CHA * *
>                                          \_/
> 
hey Dave, this got sent back...i must have the wrong e-mail...oh
well..hope you get it...Lates, CHA.


Posted By: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
Time/Date: 2:48 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: News years...uh oh....

hey all...

  New Year's with Dave SOLD OUT yesterday...i didn't get any
tickets...oh well...time to punk it and break on thru to the other
side...maybe if i walk in with a keyboard on my head i can get in
free....to the person compiling a list of netters that will be
at this New Year's with DMB...
         count me in....: 
                         1) CHARDY
                         2) LESLIE
                         3) small furry animals that say "CUH-CHUCKA"


                      Peace,Love and Cruncberries,

                                 CHA * *
                                    \___/


Posted By: FORTINJS@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU
Time/Date: 2:56 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 370

Sorry,  but isn't this the Dave Matthews Band net? 'Cause i sware i saw an
advertisement for Jack-o-something. This is not a billboard for other bands. Be
discreat about it, please. 'Cause f it starts with a few, more and moe are
going to do it. When it RAIN'S it pours. I hope any Jack-o-something fans get
that really bad pun.             Bothered,
					"The Chaud from out of the light"


Posted By: keith oliver <KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Time/Date: 3:23 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: re: Maxell Points??

>What are these Maxell points i've been hearing about on the net.  Is it
>sort of the same thing as camel cash or marlboro miles?  Do you get free
>tapes when you collect enough or something?


     yep -- we get free tapes and stuff (they aren't too many points)  -- but
  supposedly the deal ends at the end of this year.  Does anyone know if they
  are going to extend the thing, or not?  This was asked the other day, but I
  don't know if anyone said anything......
                                          keith


Posted By: jw115@prism.gatech.edu (Judy Wu)
Time/Date: 3:34 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: rants marching in my head won't leave me alone (sorry I only get the digest)

from newbie jw115@prism.gatech.edu
> 
> 			    MINARETS Digest 371
> 
> Topics covered in this issue include:
> 
>   1) Inspiration from Chardy...
> 	by Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
>   2) Trades, trades...
> 	by Butros Butros Smith <SPICE@dickinson.edu> (Reid Spice)
>   3) MINARETS digest 370
> 	by "Tom L. Wallace" <tomwa@jsbus.com>
>   4) the letter 'j'
> 	by Dominic Sagolla <dominic@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu> (AnyoneOtherThanMe)
>   5) nonsense is the inability of the listener to listen creatively
> 	by i am a goddess not your mother <CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu>
>   6) Question?
> 	by lund4649@blue.UnivNorthCo.EDU (Michael C. Lund)
>   7) RE: Rant and Rave
> 	by Victor Wandres <wandres@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
>   8) Re: Williams College
> 	by "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
>   9) mother do you think she's dangerous?
> 	by i am a goddess not your mother <CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu>
>  10) 8/31/94 @ Jones Beach
> 	by "ADAM HOLLANDER" <AHOLLAND.97@DIANA.HCHS.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
>  11) Re: MINARETS digest 370
> 	by lb065@nptn.org (Brad Lantz)
>  12) rants marching into my head won't leave my head alone...
> 	by uberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
>  13) Dave sings Stairway to Heaven?
> 	by sctm@vt.edu (Scott Miller)
>  14) NYE Show
> 	by Kyle Kristopher Langschwager <allgood@umich.edu>
>  15) A Newbie Offer!!!!
> 	by "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
>  16) 
> 	by Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
>  17) Who's the NICEST person on this .net??
> 	by Harry_Hood@fourd.com (Harry Hood)
>  18) I'm really disturbed
> 	by "Richard G. Byerly" <rbyerly@moose.uvm.edu>
>  19) 'I'm drunk, and right now I'm so in love with you..'
> 	by Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
>  20) Oh yeah...
> 	by Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
>  21) Re: I'm really disturbed
> 	by "THOMAS (POSTER NUTBAG) SLY" <SLY@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
>  22) Building collection
> 	by "Daniel R. Craver" <drcraver@mailbox.syr.edu>
>  23) Newbie wackiness.
> 	by "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
>  24) Oh yeah
> 	by "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
>  25) the most recent tour dates I have
> 	by Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
>  26) exceptionally disturbed
> 	by Adam Jason Croan <ajc4w@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
>  27) my tape offer
> 	by "not in any hurry to live my life..." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
>  28) Re: the most recent tour dates I have
> 	by "Susan J. Stowell" <sstowell@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
>  29) Re: I gots some questions..
> 	by THE CANDLE'S FLAME <wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu>
>  30) I had a clue....
> 	by Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
>  31) Tape of Davetalk address.
> 	by Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 1
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:41:51 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> To: Bunchafreaks <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Inspiration from Chardy...
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411291855.A23547-0100000@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> 
> Cha's idea of the davetalk tape made me think of other possibilities, esp 
> since I am too lazy to compile something that would take so long. 
> I am thinking of making a dave rare tunes tape, like the first inceptions 
> of songs and such. ie Heathcliff's, granny solo from 11/17/92, any noise 
> from 7-14-93 (my favorite), say goodbye solo from HSC or Blacksburg. and 
> other stuff like the beautiful dave/peter cry freedom 11/17/92 and the 
> truckers cb coming through stephan's amp during Back You Up (7/14 i 
> think). Stuff like tangerine and sweet home alabama and nature and me and 
> julio and tripping billies with only boyd and dave and seek up solo and....
> the possibilities are endless (isn't that some ad?) anyways, more brain 
> babble for ya.....
> 
> P.S. Chardy, you HAVE to put the afore mentioned "tongue in my butt" 
> davespeak from 7-14, its the funniest thing I have ever heard. I know you 
> have it, I saw you tape it....
> 
> peace to all and to all a good nite...
> 
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> |Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
> |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
> |Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
> |									|
> |	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
> |	"No..."								|
> |	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
> |									|
> |	Ezekiel 25:17							|
> |									|
> |v4.0									|
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 2
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 17:03:43 est
> From: Butros Butros Smith <SPICE@dickinson.edu> (Reid Spice)
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Trades, trades...
> Message-ID: <9411300014.AA137054@moose.uvm.edu>
> 
> 
> Sorry to bother everyone with this but it's housekeeping that must be done:
> 
> Jeremy Davis: what am I supposed to tape for you?  Derryberry & Alagia?  
> 
> Mr. Skalinder: weren't you supposed to make some tape for me a long time ago?
>                like sometime last spring, i think?
> 
> Rick Thompson: were you my branch leader for the dave & tim acoustic tree?
>                if you weren't, sorry to accuse you of this but i never got my
>                tapes back (this was also a long time ago -- last spring i
>                believe)
> 
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Reid Spice
> 257 W. Willow Street
> Carlisle, PA   17013
> 
> SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 3
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 16:20:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Tom L. Wallace" <tomwa@jsbus.com>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Cc: lmorgan@uclink.berkeley.edu
> Subject: MINARETS digest 370
> Message-ID:  <9411291621.aa12804@jsbus.jsbus.com>
> 
> The show in Santa Cruz is at Palookaville, a new, small club on 
> 1135 Pacific Ave (The Mall) down on the end towards, but not to,
> the Catalyst.  Acustics are not the best, but it is smoke free,
> intimate and only $5!
> 
> The fisrt and only time I saw DMB was when they opened for Phish,
> and I'll be there for both the DMB/Phish shows in San Jose and 
> Davis.  There is no SF show that I am aware of.
> 
> If you want to say 'Hi' I'm the 6' guy with short hair and a red 
> beard dancing wildly.
> 
> Peace, Love etc.
> 
> Tom
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tom Wallace - Director, Distribution Sales       108 Whispering Pines Dr.
> JSB Corporation                                   Scotts Valley, CA 95066
> 408-438-8300 ext 209; (in U.S. & Canada) 800-359-3408    FAX 408-438-8360
> tomwa@jsbus.com                                                         
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 4
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:31:24 -0400
> From: Dominic Sagolla <dominic@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu> (AnyoneOtherThanMe)
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: the letter 'j'
> Message-ID: <199411300030.TAA17435@oak.cc.swarthmore.edu>
> 
> hey guys,
> 
> in the lyrics file, the key to the songlist uses the initials "djm".
> David J. Matthews?    what's the jay stand for?
> 
> -dominic
> 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> read.   bike.    read.    listen to dave.    read.    eat?
> sleep.    read.    type.    listen to dave.    write.    eat.
> sleep?    play disc.    read.    bike.    listen to dave.    EAT!
> eat... eat.    listen to dave.    listen to dave.    hear dave.
> 
> repeat until you throw your faith to the face of the next good
>              thing that comes your way...
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                           |
> Dominic Sagolla '96       | dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu
> Swarthmore College        | dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu
> Swarthmore, PA 19081      | sagolla@cs.swarthmore.edu
>                           V
>  Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 5
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:45:23 -0500 (EST)
> From: i am a goddess not your mother <CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu>
> To: "minarets.net" <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: nonsense is the inability of the listener to listen creatively
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411291940.A117027-0100000@urvax.urich.edu>
> 
> lesse....
> buford and blake we're having a little discussion about any-noise's first 
> debut. i mistakenly told blake that dave played it on 6.22.93, but i have 
> it as filler on that show, from the 7.27.93 show.
> 
> so i'm going to venture to concur with dear mr.kiss-and-make-up that 
> 7.7..93 was the first time any noise was played. dave prefaces the song 
> by saying something like... 'this song is about making noise.... [singing 
> to his strumming] any noise... any noise....' hence... the title. heh.
> 
> i have no one to spoon with tonight....
> *sigh*
> 
> 'i have become comfortably numb'
> love light jubilance gel electrophoresus coffee hardees marlboro lihgts 
> puddles to splash in love to make tapes to dub nightmares to wake up from 
> comforting arms to embrace seashells to hear the ocean in..... 
> 
> clare emily
> 
> *******************************************************************************
>      'let's move to the beat like we know that it's over... if you slip 
>                      going under slip over my shoulder...'
> 
>                  cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
> *******************************************************************************
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 6
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 17:47:26 -0700
> From: lund4649@blue.UnivNorthCo.EDU (Michael C. Lund)
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Question?
> Message-ID: <9411300047.AA14403@blue.UnivNorthCo.EDU>
> 
> This is Mike from colorado.....i'd have to say that DMB kicks ass when they
> play with the Samples...especially when they opened for them last january
> at the Snowmass Conference Center....but, the best show i've seen them play,
> though i haven't seen them that often, would be when they rocked Vail last
> September with the Freddy Jones Band and Jackopierce....anyhow, who knows 
> how i could hook up with some live recordings of DMB, especially of their 
> newer songs from "Under the Table and Dreaming"???  Just wanted to know,
> 
> 						Mike....
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 7
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 18:49:23 CST
> From: Victor Wandres <wandres@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
> To: mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu
> Cc: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: RE: Rant and Rave
> Message-ID: <199411300049.SAA12832@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu>
> 
> 
> 
> Leroi's tour drink of choice could be Orange Juice.  At least that is 
> what he wanted when I saw them play a 6 song acoustic set at a music 
> store a couple of months ago.  
> 
> The band was 2 and half hours late, and seemed pretty tired.  They played 
> without any amplification except Dave's voice and guitar and Carter kind 
> of "beat-boxing" into a mike.
> Set included: Ants Marching, Jimi Thing, Cry Freedom (Dave Only), Sweet 
> Home (Dave Only), Tripping Billies, and probably another one or two, but 
> it was a while ago.  
> 
> When the managers brought in pizzas (there is a pizza place downstairs), 
> Dave threw out his favorite line about CHEESE.  And then in front of a 
> sold-out crowd at the House of Blues, he used it AGAIN.  Hmm...  Maybe it 
> is a campaign against dairy products.
> 
> Victor
> wandres@tulane.edu
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 8
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 19:50:03 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
> To: Fred House <fhouse@vt.edu>
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Re: Williams College
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411291901.A3703-0100000@mercury>
> 
> On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Fred House wrote:
> 
> >         I posted this question once before a couple of weeks ago and didn't 
> > get any responses from anyone, and damn it, I know someone knows the 
> > answer!!!... Unfortunately I don't have the funds to offer free tapes and 
> > such if someone responds but I'm always willing to make copies for people... 
> > Anyway, to the point...
> > 
> >  I have a copy of the Williams College show, 12/11/93, and the opening song 
> > is labeled "Route 2"... My friend has the same tape and his opener is 
> > labeled "Walking"... I haven't heard or seen this song on any other bagby, 
> > anybody know anything about it?
> > 
> > Mucho gracias....
> >                                 Fred House
> > 
> > 
> I thought I responded last time. Anyway, here goes again ->
> we had a discussion about this a while back. Seems Route 2 was written by 
> Dave while the band was lost in a Massachusetts snowstorm and late to 
> arrive to the show (see the lyrics and this will make sense). Because the 
> band was late, the tune sort of served as a soundcheck. To my knowledge, 
> it's never been played again. Too bad, if you ask me. Some work and it 
> could be something interesting. Eventually. For now it's just a nice rarity.
> 
> Maybe this should go in the FAQ. Along with an explanation of Blue Water. 
> I've answered questions on these two songs several times.
> 
> No newbie offer yet. I'm trying to be creative.
> 				-Adam
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 9
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:34:08 -0500 (EST)
> From: i am a goddess not your mother <CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu>
> To: Victor Wandres <wandres@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: mother do you think she's dangerous?
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411292022.A117027-0100000@urvax.urich.edu>
> 
> 
> sorry victor.. i'll have to greatly disagree on teh orange juice 
> statement... not that it might not be a fav of roi's, but i'm tempted to 
> wager prized possessions that roi's fav tour drink is makers mark.
> i know this from personal experiences, and many glasses of said liqour 
> with roi himself.  along with smokes, of course. 
> 
> ah.. speaking of smokes... i say we all have a net cigarette 
> together... at precisely 11:45 pm please join me for a cigarette ( or 
> insert smoke ofyour choice). you are cordially invited.  and i'll be ever 
> so looking forward to this bonding ritual with whoever else participates.
> 
> worry-free, you know me!
> lil'ole me
> 
> *******************************************************************************
>  'i wanna smash the faces of those beautiful boys, those christian boys... 
>         so you can make me come it doesn't make you jesus' -t.amos
>  
>                  cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
> *******************************************************************************
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 10
> 
> Date:          Tue, 22 Nov 1994 14:37:32 EST5EDT
> From: "ADAM HOLLANDER" <AHOLLAND.97@DIANA.HCHS.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: 8/31/94 @ Jones Beach
> Message-ID: <1B3FB817797@diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu>
> 
>   Does anyone out there have tapes of their set from the 8/31 HORDE 
> show at Jones Beach?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really don't 
> have any DMB to trade, so if anyone does, let me know.  I have a lot 
> of phish (including Halloween--the white album) and a lot of GSW.  
> All the DMB I have at moment is the 9/4 HORDE set.  Thanks in advance,
>                                         --Adam:-)
>   "Smoke my mind, help me feel better for a small time"                
>                       
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 11
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:13:05 -0500
> From: lb065@nptn.org (Brad Lantz)
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 370
> Message-ID: <199411300213.AA05339@nptn.org>
> 
> 
> 
> hi. I was wondering if anyone had a tour schedule for DMB 
> because rusted root is gonna be in cleveland later this week and
> i wonder if DMB is opening for them. anyone know? i am going to
> be taping the show (both Rusted Root and DMB) so if anyone is
> interested in getting a copy, write to me. thanks.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 12
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:20:22 -0500 (EST)
> From: uberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: rants marching into my head won't leave my head alone...
> Message-ID: <01HK2ERQUG7C8YADVW@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
> 
> POT POT POT POT POT POT POT.
> 
> MARIJUANA............MARY JANE.
> 
> let me take this opportunity to say let's not turn this thread into
> a discussion on whether you should get stoned at a dmb show or not.
> that's about as moot as discussing on this net why my university's 
> president keeps deciding to put campus flower pots ahead of student 
> needs. 
> 
> 
> 
> here's my take on the eMpTyVee thing-o-morama....
> 
> government has nothing to do with it.  i would ask you, chardy, to
> prove that statement.  our government may be big, but it's not big
> enough to put a restriction on drug references on a cable tv station
> without being discovered so fast you don't have time to hide your 
> roach.  
> 
> i think it's a doo-gooder holier-than-thou effort by an elitist organization
> to think that they are having an effect on a particularly politically 
> volatile issue.  there's no denying that eMpTy Vee as a corporation takes
> the "just say no" stance, even though i highly suspect that this makes a
> substantial number of the decision makers there hypocrites (imagine that).
> 
> eMpTy Vee is simply trying to redeem their obvious lack of social value by 
> espousing a drug free mentality.  
> 
> EmPtY CeO: "hey, pass the joint.  by the way, while we're talking about
> it, we just elected a president to this country."
> 
> bored member 1: "whoa, dude, too cool.  but if we're in this kind of spotlight,
> maybe we should think about our credibility."
> 
> bored member 2: "yeah, man.  if bob dole finds out that we were stoned when
> we decided to endorse clinton, we're toast."
> 
> bored member 3: "let's create two stupid little country redneck kids who see
> us for what we really are and laugh and say sux all the time."
> 
> ((random hypnotic clambaked voice: "uh huh huh, huh huh...he said 'sux'"
> 
> random annoying nasal back cracking voice: "yeah, 'sux'"))
> 
> (everyone looks around a bit unnerved, then CeO looks at bored member 3....)
> 
> EmPtY CeO "you're fired."
> 
> bored member 2: "well, if we just oppose everything that made us big and then
> not tell anyone, we've got it made and we'll be able to elect presidents for
> the next century."
> 
> EmPtY CeO: "i'm glad i thought that one up.  let's censor tom petty."
> 
> coffee boy: "coffee sir?"
> 
> EmPtY CeO: "get that caffeine out of here, do you want to get clinton impeached
> boy?????????????"  (sound of EmPtY CeO lighting up.)
> 
> Marth Quinn: "Can i have my job back now?"
> 
> everyone:  "NO!!!!!!!!"
> 
> EmPtY CeO: "i hereby adjourn this journey for the sake of a journey to 
> jupiter."
> 
> bored member 1:"whoa, that was good......"
> 
> 
> 
> and what about dave.  this is dave.net, right?  hmmmmm.....
> 
> ok, this may be against my better judgment, but a newbie offer:::::
> 
> this is only open to people who are digestified, because i know they
> get screwed out of a lot of newbie offers.
> 
> the first 3 people to mail the header of this digest to me will get their 
> choice of a copy of 11-17-92 or 11-9-94.  if you can't edit digest, just
> go ahead and forward the whole damn thing to me.  there's a good chance
> that making this offer is going to really fill my mailbox, and if that 
> happens no one will be able to get through to me, so if you can edit out
> the body of the message, please do.
> 
> you'll have to mail blanks and postage, and i'll have to wait until
> x-mas break to actually get the tapes done.  but there's the offer.  i
> haven't spread my wealth around in a long time, and i feel better this
> way.
> 
> congratulations if you made it this far, and, believe it or not, i'm
> not stoned right now.  sockiology is just such a boring class and i
> have no choice but to act strange for a while (hence all the political
> motivation for this post:)
> 
> 
> ____________________________________
> "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
>   to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
>         --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
> __________________________________     \_________________________________
>                                   \             rick thompson
>                                    \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
>                                     \____________________________________
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 13
> 
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 22:45:24 +0500
> From: sctm@vt.edu (Scott Miller)
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Dave sings Stairway to Heaven?
> Message-ID: <9411300348.AA181872@moose.uvm.edu>
> 
>         I have a tape of the Montreal,  Club Soda show dated 10.5.94,  and 
> in the middle of an encore of All Along The Watchtower he begins to sing the 
> lyrics to Stairway to Heaven,  it's sound good.  It fits quite well into 
> Dave's version of Watchtower.  Does he do this often?  I have never heard it 
> before.  If anybody has any Dave songs with other cover tunes mingled in,  I 
> would love to hear about it.  Whoever was thinking about putting a rare 
> tunes tape together,  I think it's a great idea,  I would personally love to 
> hear Tangerine,  Redemption Song,  Sweet Home,  and a good version of 
> Exodus.  The only tape I heard with Exodus on it sucked.  I didn't really 
> like the way they did it,  but that was due partly to a really crappy tape.  
> But if you have any of those covers and want to trade,  I have a bunch of 
> good stuff!
>         The T-shirt count is now 51 in favor of making,  and 3 maybe's and 
> one definately not.  I'm still searching for a good artist,  and info on how 
> to figure out prices,  etc...  If you know any good artists,  or have any 
> other info,  my ears are open!  Have fun kids,  and what the hell was that 
> circumsion deal?
> Scott Miller-
> Virginia Tech
> 529 Shanks Hall
> Blacksburg,  VA 24060
> sctm@vt.edu
> "Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
>      - Dave Matthews
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 14
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:06:37 -0500 (EST)
> From: Kyle Kristopher Langschwager <allgood@umich.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: NYE Show
> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.90a.941129230008.14353D-100000@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> 
> Hey, it's about that time of year where we should all make a list of the 
> people going to the NYE show.  My two buddies and I are driving up from 
> Michigan on the 27th, seeing DMB on the 30th and the 31st, we all have 
> tickets and we plan on have a gran' ole' time.  We are staying at the 
> Mariott on the 31st, probably along with everyone else.  The other nights 
> we will be in Vienna, Virginia, staying with our friend.  If everyone 
> wants to do something or something kinda cool, then write to the whole 
> net.  Other than that, I'll addd our names to the list and hope that this 
> will continue.
> It's not as if this is incredibly necessary, but, since we are traveling 
> a long way, I thought it would be cool to see some of the  faces to some 
> of the names. Or, whatever!!!!
> 	Kyle Langschwager
> 	Jeff Rinna
> 	Padraic Moore
> Well, I hope this starts an interesting trend.
> 	Saying Goodbye,
> 		Kyle
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 15
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:10:17 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: A Newbie Offer!!!!
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411292258.A5187-0100000@mercury>
> 
> Yay! After I finish the week, I should be done spinning tapes, so...
> 
> Time for another newbie offer from your newbie- friendly friend, who is 
> still waiting for some of that good karma from his last newbie offer.
> 
> This one's a winner too. I've got two pristine copies of 9-1-92 Trax to 
> offer, thanks to Wade. What was the source/gen on that anyway, Wade? 
> Sounds fantastic.
> Show features a Tangerine intro into Lie in Our Graves, and other good 
> stuff from the early days. 
> Best part- It's free! At least the tapes are. You'll have to send me a 
> check for $1.50 for postage, I suppose. I may even bypass that if I'm 
> feeling saucy. Just got my Max Points redeemed, you know. Blank tapes 
> cluttering my room.
> OK- here's the deal. The first two newbies to email me with, um...
> since I'm so immersed in my schoolwork this week, we'll make it work- 
> related rather than DMB related.
> Tell me what H.P.S.C.I. stands for, and the tapes are yours.
> TAPELESS PERSONS ONLY PLEASE! Don't lie. Not 5 tapes or less. No tapes. 
> Got it?
> OK. That's all.
> Laura- Haven't seen you around. Write me a nice message or something :)
> If you go to W&L give Alissa Walls a big hug from Adam and Jen.
> 		Slowly Going Mad,
> 		Adam
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 16
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:42:49 -0600
> From: Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Message-ID: <199411300442.AA29626@camelot.bradley.edu>
> 
>  
> i'm new to this whole schpiel, and i'm looking for any live shows 
> of DMB.  i'm also looking for samples, rusted root, phish, FJB, and 
> blues traveler.  i have shows from the following bands to trade. 
> samples, phish, blues traveler, BHT, counting crows, allman brothers, 
> black crowes, jayhawks, pearl jam, rem, jane's addiction, u2, smashing 
> pumpkins...  if you are intrested please write to me.  *thanks*
> 
> your minaret friend,  
> 
> geebs.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 17
> 
> Date: 29 Nov 1994 22:40:15 GMT
> From: Harry_Hood@fourd.com (Harry Hood)
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Who's the NICEST person on this .net??
> Message-ID: <929165310.8872437@fourd.fourd.com>
> 
> Ok folks, here's the deal...
> 
> I just got on minarets.net and am looking for live Dave. I have 2 Dave sets,
> but they are ass quality.  Anywa a computer means never having to say you're sorry
> ********************************************************************
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 18
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 00:08:44 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Richard G. Byerly" <rbyerly@moose.uvm.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: I'm really disturbed
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.941130000752.91387A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
> 
> Shut up Beavis...
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 19
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 02:27:38 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> To: Bunchafreaks <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: 'I'm drunk, and right now I'm so in love with you..'
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300244.A21400-0100000@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> 
> mltiple points...
> 
> 1)from the good response on the rarities tape, I will work hard on 
> compiling my best and most random versions of dave tunes on a 90 min 
> tape, and I will tree and or post when I've got it done...
> 
> 2)Edwin McCain is the shit...I (sorry Clare forgot to tell you) had the 
> pleasure of seeing them this evening at Hollins and it was kick ass. Get 
> this. No taping because the sbaord was shity and I needed a 1/4 inch 
> headphone jack converter to rca cable to tape. BUT I was told the tapes 
> came out crappy anyway and the sound guy gave me 2 90 MIN soundboard 
> tapes from gainsville (ohio?) for FREE cuz I just asked about taping. He 
> said that they were done with em and I could have em. Kinda cool as shit, 
> they wanted me to be able to tape, but since I couldn' he gave me free 
> cool tapes, and free stickers....
> Hung out at Carters girlfriends apt....she tossed in UTTAD and was a cool 
> girl.....
> 
> 3)listen to UTTAD on headphones or a nice stereo. Nine inch Nail fans 
> (Clare) will aprreciate this, but IMHO Dave should be given mucho credit 
> where due in the studio. Listen to Satellite (yes I said it) and listen 
> for TIm Reynolds backup acoustic guitar....
> 
> 4)Edwin just said "go listen to a band you have never heard of, and keep 
> us from eating at Taco Bell, we play for you, and you will something or 
> other.. I forget already...nicest sound guy I ever met (except Bagby, 
> whom I've never formally met). The bass player does sound, and has a 
> wireless, and soundchecks while he is at the board, PLAYING!! kinda cool!!
> 
> 5)again UTTAD (for mucho tape people) should and will be appreciated for 
> the COOL ASS SHIT they do in the studio...
> 
> 6)I have to cd single of the petty tune in question, from my radio job, 
> and will listen to the radi and "alternate" version and psot my thoughts 
> on it latr....
> 
> 7)once i review my inbox, I will have forgotten things to say...
> 
> The DMBrarities Box Set tape I will be out soon as a offer, for anyone, I 
> dont care what you got...anyways....
> 
> 
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> |Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
> |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
> |Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
> |									|
> |	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
> |	"No..."								|
> |	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
> |									|
> |	Ezekiel 25:17							|
> |									|
> |v4.0									|
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 20
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 02:38:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> To: Bunchafreaks <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Oh yeah...
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300248.A21400-0100000@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> 
> BTW, 
> 
> 	yes, my last post has some inebriation in it, but I sabe all the 
> wonderful comments on my tape idea, and will get it out....
> 
> Any suggestions on a raritie/wierd version of a tune???
> 
> Once again Edwin McCain is a stellar band....I might tree the tapes I got
> 
> its beddy bye time for me....
> 
> latr..
> 
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> |Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
> |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
> |Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
> |									|
> |	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
> |	"No..."								|
> |	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
> |									|
> |	Ezekiel 25:17							|
> |									|
> |v4.0									|
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 21
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 01:38:09 -0600 (CST)
> From: "THOMAS (POSTER NUTBAG) SLY" <SLY@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
> To: MINARETS@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Re: I'm really disturbed
> Message-ID: <01HK2MTFY6N695O513@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
> 
> ...yeah, I'd say you ARE pretty disturbed....you Blue Devils sure do
> have odd senses of humor-not a flame just a thought....
> Thomas
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 22
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:12:00 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Daniel R. Craver" <drcraver@mailbox.syr.edu>
> To: mail list DMB <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Building collection
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300805.A265-0100000@kong.syr.edu>
> 
> This is in response to the post about being a little disgrunted over
> letting sisters and friends copy all thier boots for free.
>  
> Maybe only because I'm a newbie trying to build a collection the hard 
> way I can relate, but I do.
> Lets all remember that the music is basically free.  I'll tape for anyone 
> providing raw materials as long as I have the time and equipment.
> Maybe if the oldies(as generous as they allready are) could help us out:
>   When exchanging lists w/ a newbie and nothing catches eye, have send 
>   blanks, postage, and IOU in future.
> I have done this with boots of old NYHC bands(anyone interested, I think 
> I'm beginning to mellow in my age)
> 
> Anywho, use DMB for lasting engine protection and reducing viscocity 
> breakdown,
>           Dan
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 23
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:47:58 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Newbie wackiness.
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300940.A26258-0100000@mercury>
> 
> 
> Well, we're quite a creative, if somewhat offbeat bunch of folks.
> I must close my newbie offer. Sorry.
> I take one random factoid from the material I happen to be studying and 
> post it on the net as a trivia question. Next thing you now, I get all 
> sorts of creative, if incorrect, responses.
> So here's what I'll do. I've got about seven responses. The two most 
> creative or humorous get the tapes free. The other five have to send me 
> blanks. NOBODY else respond. 
> I'm thinking of not granting the newbie request to the person with the 
> .mil address that didn't know that HPSCI is the House Permanent Select 
> Committee on Intelligence. You should be ashamed of yourself ;)
> I'll be in touch with everyone who made the list. Give Wade a big thank you!
> 				-Adam
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 24
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:51:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Oh yeah
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300937.A26258-0100000@mercury>
> 
> 
> I'll allow the guy with the Harry Hood email address in on the newbie offer 
> if he tells us all where he goes when the lights go out.
> 					-Adam
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 25
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:46:18 -30000
> From: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
> To: Minarets <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: the most recent tour dates I have
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411301024.A4841-0100000@netspace.students.brown.edu>
> 
> Here they are . . . If DMB is playing near you and you have info, write 
> me and I'll add it:
> 
> The Dave Matthews Band Fall Tour 1994
> 
> December:
> 02 Davis Rec Center (916) 752-6074        Davis CA  *w/ Phish*
> 03 Event Center Arena (408) 287-9200      San Jose CA  *w/ Phish*
> 04 Venue TBA                              San Fransisco CA
> 06 Whisky                                 Los Angeles CA
> 07 TBA
> 08 Coach House (714) 496-8930             San Juan Capistrano CA
> 09 Ventura Theater (805) 642-2064         Ventura CA 
> 10 Santa Monica Civic Aud. (310) 393-9961 Santa Monica CA  *w/ Phish*
> 15 Liberty Lunch                          Austin TX
> 27 Fox Theater                            Atlanta GA
> 28                                        Brimingham AL
> 29 Grady Cole Center                      Charlotte NC
> 30 Lisner Auditorium                      Washington DC
> 31 Marriott                               Richmond VA
> 
> -Ben
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
>        How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 26
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 11:12:45 EST
> From: Adam Jason Croan <ajc4w@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: exceptionally disturbed
> Message-ID: <199411301613.LAA21359@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
> 
>      Matthew Thomas Gabay
> 
>           Post anything like this again and your wild and crazy, disturbed
> fantasy just might come true.
>           Baby
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 27
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:51:40 -0500 (EST)
> From: "not in any hurry to live my life..." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: my tape offer
> Message-ID: <01HK3891LA248YAVZ1@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
> 
> my last past included a tape offer at the end, and i just want to emphasize
> that that offer is open _only_ to people who are digestified, meaning
> that you just got a big message from minarets entitled "minarets digest
> #370."  since i haven't gotten that digest yet, this should be a part of
> it.  
> 
> ____________________________________
> "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
>   to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
>         --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
> __________________________________     \_________________________________
>                                   \             rick thompson
>                                    \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
>                                     \____________________________________
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 28
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:14:19 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Susan J. Stowell" <sstowell@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> To: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Re: the most recent tour dates I have
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411301223.A3586-0100000@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> 
> I was under the impression that Dave would be in Houston on the 16th of 
> December....Could someone tell me if I just imagined this?  Thanks.
> Susie
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 29
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:17:07 -0500
> From: THE CANDLE'S FLAME <wmc8s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu>
> To: campb_c@cs.odu.edu, Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Re: I gots some questions..
> Message-ID: <199411301717.MAA100753@darwin.clas.Virginia.EDU>
> 
> the third date is 11-9-93 at Trax--the cd release party for R2T.
> 
> Wade
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 30
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:26:45 EST
> From: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: I had a clue....
> Message-ID: <9411301726.AA08725@cabell.vcu.edu>
> 
> 
> hey all.
> 
>    well....i made a little mistake.....only one person that i know of
> caught it....the bleeping of TOM's joint was seen by me on VH1 not
> eMpTy Vee...sorry...heres a great quote that i love but obviously
> rarely go by....
> 
>     " It is better to remain silent and appear ignorant,
> 
>       then to speak and remove all doubt."
> 
>                 Peace to you.
>                      
>                          gettin' the locks braided,
> 
>                                  CHA * *
>                                      \_/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 31
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 12:49:32 EST
> From: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Tape of Davetalk address.
> Message-ID: <9411301749.AA15397@cabell.vcu.edu>
> 
> 
> hey all.
> 
> here it is. very simple paint by numbers way to get the Davmaltations tape.
> 
>           1) send a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope to the address
>              below on your screen.(this is very important!!!)
>                              - or -
>          1a) send enuff money to cover a return envelope and
>               postage.(most likely $3 or $4). ** if you choose this
>               method, don't forget YOUR address written somewhere in
>               the package you send me! **
> 
>           2) include one 100 minute Type II tape.
>            (maxell XL II, TDK SA 90 or anything that says POSITION II)
> 
>           3) and last,a 3x5 card stating your astrological sign or 
>              whatever you feel like writing at the moment.
>          
>           4) send the above to this address:
> 
>                    Cha McEwan
>                    400 Baldwin Road
>                    Richmond, VA 23229.
> 
> 
>   
> **************print this message out before you lose it.****************
> 
> THEN...all you have to do is wait and your tape will arrive in the mail!
> 
> i wish i could do trades on this offer,but i'm as broke as you can
> get and also in debt for my freedom....so i can't really afford to
> buy any blanks at the moment...so just take the money and run....i'm
> offering a free ride...get on and enjoy....PEACE.
> 
>         Gripping the Sun with Bare Hands and Not EvenGetting Burned,
> 
>                                  CHA * *
>                                      \_/
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> End of MINARETS Digest 371
> **************************
> 


Posted By: Adam P Henne <AHENNE@drew.edu>
Time/Date: 4:05 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Maxell awards stuff

hey crew,
	i was just wondering if anyone had a copy of the Maxell Awards 
music title catalogue thing they weren't using.  i already have the 
address for the place, but i'd rather not wait a month and a half to get 
it, you know?  so, if you have a copy you wouldn't mind sending to me, i'd 
be glad to make it up to you, perhaps with a trade or by sending a nice 
blank tape your way.  please?
	adam


Posted By: roberts@seas.smu.edu (John Roberts)
Time/Date: 4:16 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: hi

Just to add to the tourdates list, Dave will be in houston Dec. 16th, and will play at Trees
  in Dallas on the 17th
                    -Read


Posted By: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 4:22 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Boy was I inebriated...

If I din't make any sense in that last post, don't mind me, I should be 
banned from e-mail after 2:00 am. 
Anyway. Edwin McCain does a pretty cool version of watchtower, he and 
dave should get together and jam sometime...


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|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
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Posted By: keith oliver <KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Time/Date: 4:42 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: tom's joint, again

>Tom's joint is also bleeped on mtv, though. what a pity.

   yea, the promo version of tom's joint was beeped on a local radio station
last week.  But, then again, the college station here played rhyme & reason
in the middle of the night, the other night, and edited out the whole line
"needle to the vein...".  Nothing but dead air.  Talk about things to make
you vomit.  I'm not really sure what they were playing that song for anyway --
with as much as they seem to like ants???   Oh well, at least some of you
understand......
                     keith


Posted By: Matt Thompson <matt@arbutus.Stanford.EDU>
Time/Date: 4:44 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 370

> Sorry,  but isn't this the Dave Matthews Band net? 'Cause i sware i saw an
> advertisement for Jack-o-something. This is not a billboard for other bands. Be
> discreat about it, please. 'Cause f it starts with a few, more and moe are
> going to do it. When it RAIN'S it pours. I hope any Jack-o-something fans get
> that really bad pun.             Bothered,
> 					"The Chaud from out of the light"
> 

I agree that we should focus on Dave Matthews Band in this server, but I learned
about a lot of new bands just by listening in on this kind of stuff. If it
pours, all the better for people who share an interest in Dave to find out
what their fellow minareters find interesting outside the world of Dave. I
personally would rather hear it from people who listen to Dave than from 
anyone else.

Peace,
Matt


Posted By: "Brian T. Hauser" <hauser@server.chem.ufl.edu>
Time/Date: 5:01 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Rare Dave/Band Symbol

	The idea about putting together a rare Dave tape sounds tres cool...
Now can somebody make it happen and tree it?  On the Spin Doctors Net, some
brave soul compiled a tape of unreleased tunes and treed it--called it 
the Gems tape. Very, very cool...

	I got to wondering the other day, does the DAMABA have a band symbol?
I mean the Dead has the dancing bears and the Stealyourface (sp?), BT has the
black cat, the Stones have the Lips, etc. how 'bout something cool for DMB?
Suggestions?  We could invent something that would one day be on tons 
of bumperstickers  and get all the credit...Just a-wondering

Under the table and lurking,
Brian
________________________________________________________________________________

 Brian T. Hauser               hauser@chem.ufl.edu          TEL: (904) 392-3580
 Department of Chemistry    hauserbt@pine.circa.ufl.edu     FAX: (904) 846-0296
 University of Florida
________________________________________________________________________________


Posted By: Thomas.Thrasher@mail.trincoll.edu (Thomas Thrasher)
Time/Date: 5:04 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: PLEASE READ THIS!!!!

I really want to know how to get off this Dave Matthews discussion group. 
Can anyone tell me?


Posted By: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
Time/Date: 5:25 PM Wednesday, Novemebr 30, 1994
Subject: trivia time . . .

1. Dave says: "Lon is the sugar-daddy of the universe." What show?

2. When did DMB, Rusted Root, & From Good Homes all play on the same bill?

Go for it.  You're not going to win anything but go for it anyway.

-Ben

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      "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
       How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa
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Posted By: STEYSKAL SANDRA <steyskal@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Time/Date: 5:26 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: Early X-mas gift?

Hi my name is Sandra and i just got added to this superhighway list...
Feeling quite popular getting 40 messages a day but only understanding a 
few...

My question to you in Colorado concerns the bootlegs you have taped.
Are they from the Fox shows Thurs, Fri and Saturday in Boulder?

I was there Thur and Sat and thought they rocked, specially the first nite.
Another message just got intertwined with this one but i hope it all 
comes thru anyway.  I was wondering if I can send you blank tapes for 
copies???

Or if you like, I have two excellent quality tapes of DMB from summer of 
1993, one at the BAYOU and one from elsewhere.  Ill be happy to exchange 
withyou...

So, fellow DMB fan please reply per emaiail? whenever you get a moment?

Which school of Mines are you at?

Thanks
Peace Up!\
Sandra


Posted By: dominic devito <ddevito@aluminum.helios.nd.edu>
Time/Date: 6:41 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: A couple of questions...

One:

Does anybody know the status of tickets at the shows in Atlanta
and DC??? (I mean, are the shows sold out yet and how much are tix?)

Two:

Can anybody tell me how to undigestify this thing?  

Three (not technically a question):

I'm going to NYE, and I don't remember seeing anything about
anybody taking names of netters going, but I'm one...but I'm
going by myself (all of my friends have spent their $50 on weed),
so I guess I have some new friends to make in about a month.

Thanks for any info,
Dominic (DeVito, not Sagolla, although we both have DMB in our .sigs)


************************************************************************************
 I can't believe that we would       * Dominic Jules DeVito
 Lie in our graves                   * ddevito@darwin.cc.nd.ed 
 Wondering what we might have been.  * University of Notre Dame 
           -Dave Matthews Band       * Notre Dame, IN  
************************************************************************************ 


Posted By: sean.berry@mail.trincoll.edu (Sean Berry)
Time/Date: 6:50 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Jambay and e: trees structures?

My roomate accidentally erased my account so can somebody please e-mail me
the structures for the Everything (e:) and Jambay trees pleeez
sean
sean.berry@mail.trincoll.edu


Posted By: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
Time/Date: 7:06 PM Wednesday, Novemebr 30, 1994
Subject: Re: trivia

On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, NO REASON NO TIME AND AN EXCELLENT VIEW wrote:

> C'mon Ben...#1 is easy "Lon is the sugardaddy of the universe.
> Lon..(pause)...is on sound tonight.  (Drive in Drive out)

> Doesn't everyone have Floodzone 7-8-92?

Hmm.  I guess it looks like it.  What a nice tape though.

>                                                 Doug

But unfortunately Doug you were NOT the first person to get this right . .
. 

Kudos to wade for getting it, and for informing me that Lon did not 
remain the sugardaddy of the universe for very long.  Thus paving the way 
for our man bagby.

Kudos also to jonathan (jonatha687@aol.com) for getting it.

--------

Of course, no one has answered the hard question.

I'll tell you what, I'll make a copy of the DMB from that night (the 
night when Rusted Root and From Good Homes were also both on the bill) 
for the first one to get this date correct.

-Ben


Posted By: "Michael C. Lund" <lund4649@blue.UnivNorthCo.EDU>
Time/Date: 7:16 PM Wednesday, Novemebr 30, 1994
Subject: This is Mr. Pink talkin' here...

I am wondering if anyone out there in the cyberworld has any copies of 
the Dave Matthews Band playing with the Samples, because Boyd and Dave 
REALLY add to the already melodic sound of the Samples?  Damn, i wish 
that i wouldn't have missed DMB playing at the Fox Theater in Boulder, 
but it was sold out.....

For those of you out there who smoke, i'm sorry, but i don't.
However, for those of you who enjoy chewing tobacco, dip, chew, etc., 
then i say we have a universal chew at, oh, say 10 pm tonight, while 
listening to UTTAD....it sounds like a grand plan to me!

Anyone out there like the movie "Reservoir Dogs"? Just wondering.

So, peace to all....i'll be sharing a buzz with those tobacco folk around 
10 tonight, that is Colorado time, for you easterners!  

"Am I the only fuckin' professional here?"
			Mr. Pink, Reservoir Dogs


Posted By: i am a goddess not your mother <CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu>
Time/Date: 7:21 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: i'd love to go drowning (but the ocean doesn't want me today)

excuse me, but.......


			NEW YEARS IS SOLD OUT?!?!?!

this presents a mild problem,
as i LIVE in richmond, 
and as of present, have no ticket.
if anyone is willing to help me out with my little delimma
i can reciprocate with spoons (if you're nice and have a good sense of humor)

this is a frightful delimma.....
[envision deer-blinding look upon clare's face]

gnawing my knuckles....
clare emily

*******************************************************************************
   'i feel it all fading and paling and i'm begging to drag you down with me 
   to kick the last nail in yeah i like you in that like i like you to scream 
 but if you open your mouth then i can't be responsible for quite what goes in 
                       or to care what comes out......' 

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
*******************************************************************************


Posted By: AMZENDEL@unca.edu
Time/Date: 7:32 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Maxell pts. catalog???

Does anybody out there ahve the catalog for the maxell pts deal.  or is there a
phone number you can call to order one?

let me know,
thanks
alex


Posted By: keith <KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Time/Date: 7:43 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: rare dave

>The idea about putting together a rare Dave tape sounds tres cool... Now
>can somebody make it happen and tree it?

      OK  --- I'll tree it -- if someone else will make it happen.  I partially
  want to do this because it's a cool idea, and partially because I still
  cannot believe no one has a seed for the knoxville show (11.13.94).  That
  amazes me, no one on this net has this show??   Oh well, I got psyched to
  tree _something_, so now, I really don't mind -- especially because this does
  sound like (if done well) it could be a fun tape to have.

                                         keith


Posted By: Jimmything <tpalvino@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 7:49 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Fairly clean herion for new year ticket

JUST JOKING!!!!!!!!!!     -this type of message was posted on the phish 
net and caused quite a stir.....but people noticed it..
-I was trying to get boston phish tickets for the new year but i'm giving 
up..SO i'll do just about anything for a dave ticket (the only reason 
dave is my second choice is because i'll be spending the holidays in 
vermont and boston is a lot closer than richmond...
I'm willing to provided muchos bagby's to anyone who will sell me thier 
ticket ...(AND i'll be your bestest friend in the whole wide world..

dreading the thought of watching the "ball drop" on T.V. while everyone 
else is at a great Dave or phish show....tjp

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	  *lexington VA 24450|stars and my feet planted * 
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Posted By: "Horatio F. Wildman" <hwildman@acpub.duke.edu>
Time/Date: 7:49 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: I'm really disturbed...

Gabay you are a sick boy.  I'm calling Public Safety.  The madness must stop.

Colin, John, all apologies, but I really just wanted to write to Ash, 
Jas, and Tribecca.

How are you all doing.  I haven't seen any of you in a while.  Ashley I 
miss your presence in my hall, (even if it wasn't for me). 

Spicer, I commend this stunt of yours.  It must be yours becasue I can't 
think of any one else capable of this...

Hopefully, I'll see you guys aroud (excluding John and Colin, of 
course).  Take care and let me know what is going on.




Horatio


Posted By: Elizabeth J Pearson <hfejp@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu>
Time/Date: 8:30 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: more tour dates

Howdy.

Here's a bit of clarification on the December shows in Texas:

Dec 15 -- Austin, at Liberty Lunch.  Tickets only $7!!!!
Dec 16 -- Houston, (someplace called Rockadelphia I think)
Dec 17 -- Dallas, at Trees.

None are sold out as far as I know (not that many out there are within
driving distance!).  When I bought my tickets for the Austin show they had
only sold 70 out of about 700.  Could be like the old Traxx days!

If anyone does happen to be at any of these shows, look for me.  I'm the short
one in the William and Mary sweatshirt!
Beth


Posted By: Jonatha687@aol.com
Time/Date: 8:30 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: trivia time . . .

"Lon is on sound tonight"  Right before Drive In Drive Out (debut?) on 7-8-92
Richmond, VA  set I
Jonathan


Posted By: Victor Wandres <wandres@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Time/Date: 8:35 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Re: Rare Dave/Band Symbol

> 	I got to wondering the other day, does the DAMABA have a band symbol?


It would seem that DMB's symbol would be the "firedancer" that can be 
found on new stickers and t-shirts.  Does anyone know if that is Dave's 
artwork?  I know he drew that really tripped out face.  (I'm glad he 
sings more than he draws.)


amen,
Victor
wandres@tulane.edu


Posted By: "your head is a shovel-- use it." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 10:31 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: boofy is dead on..

>From: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
>
>
>3)listen to UTTAD on headphones or a nice stereo. Nine inch Nail fans 
>(Clare) will aprreciate this, but IMHO Dave should be given mucho credit 
>where due in the studio. Listen to Satellite (yes I said it) and listen 
>for TIm Reynolds backup acoustic guitar....
>
>5)again UTTAD (for mucho tape people) should and will be appreciated for 
>the COOL ASS SHIT they do in the studio...
>
hear, hear.  (here, here?  heer, heer.  haha)

this is so incredibly true.  and i'll say it, too:  go listen to 
satellit either
a)cranked
b)with headphones
c)falling asleep
d)any combination of the three.


believe it or not, if you are a person who doesn't like this song,
you will be amazed at the subtleties of this studio version and just
how imperative it was that dave shared it with us.

BUT:  the uttad ants is still easily qualified as the worst thing he's
done so far.

BUT:  when you get to the end of the cd..........whoa.................
something i discovered as i drifted off into never never land last
night was that #34 is absolutely the largest song i have ever heard in
my life.  you know how songs paint images in your mind?  well, as
i was listening to #34, i felt like i was walking through a HUGE room that
was it's own art presentation.  like someone (dave) painted this beautiful
place in my mind.
most songs are linear.  #34 is holistic.  it draws you in and makes
you look at it from the inside out, and it is truly the most beautiful
thing in the world.  even you enjoy myself has never filled me so full
of emotion.  wow.
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
fuck,. fuck fouack.  sold out???? \             rick thompson
  spick, spork, schmuck, shit      \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
pure flatulence.  erg.  pisser. bugger.  goodgodamfuckingapeshit fuck.___


Posted By: "your head is a shovel-- use it." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 10:46 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: oops.

contrary to what you may think, "cranked" is not meant as some new from
of getting really wasted.  i meant to say "with it cranked."  satellite
in some sort of sick way really rocks that way.


quote of the day:
"don't judge me by race, creed, or color.."

dave matthews--get in line, 11-9-94

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
                                   \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \___________________________________


Posted By: Darren Cokin <cokin@scf.usc.edu>
Time/Date: 11:02 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: upcoming Zoo People tour

The Zoo People will be playing the following dates in December:

3rd   Santa Monica, CA   Fair City     11 pm
8th   San Francisco, CA  Great Amercian Music Hall  8 pm
9th   Santa Cruz, CA     Live Soup    8 pm
10th  Santa Barbara, CA  Alex's    9 pm

Also, they are opening for the Dave Matthews Band at some show in Arizona.  I 
forget the exact city/date.

Those on Horde and Jambay net's have probably heard about the Zoo People by
now, but for those on Minarets, here's a little info.  They're from Venice,
CA, and they gig regularly in the Venice, Santa Monica, and Hollywood areas.
They have 2 guitarists, a keyboardist (Hammond B-3, Rhodes), bass and drums.
Frequently a sax player (or 2) and a percussionist will sit in.  Their music
is sorta 70's-ish.  Kinda Allmansy, with the dueling guitars and keys thing.
You will find the lead guitarist at many a Phish and Dead show, but his main
influence is Clapton.  They have a lot of originals, and play some covers too.
They're first  independant CD will be out any week now.

For more info, you can call their hotline at (310)772-8129.  And those crazy
folks at Rock.net just started a mailing for them, write to
zoo-people-request@rock.net to subscribe.

Check 'em out.

                                                           Darren


Posted By: CO95MA19@acs.wooster.edu
Time/Date: 11:11 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: DMB in Cleveland?

Does anyone know anything about DMB playing with Rusted Root 12/4 in
Cleveland.  I know it is  a Rusted Root show, but someone just told me
that Dave was also playing.

Megan Cooper


Posted By: Sean Deverux <seandev@beacon.regent.edu>
Time/Date: 11:22 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: Valentine's Day

		Hey everybody in the Virginia vicinity.  Dave is going to
be playing with the Richmond symphony on Feb 14.  I don't know if he's
going to be playing by himself or the rest of the boys.  Tickets go on
sale Saturday, but I don't know how much they cost or where you can even
get them.  I don't even know where he's playing (though I assume somewhere
in the Richmond area).  I know I'm not giving you much to work with, but I
only caught a brief snippet of the ad while flipping through channels on
the radio.  Hope what little info I have helps.


		Catch ya on the flipside

			Sean


Posted By: tmr3c@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 11:57 PM Wednesday, November 30, 1994
Subject: HEY T.J.

rry to clutter everyone's email, but i just wanted to tell T.J.
Palvi thanks for making my tapes.

So THANKS SO MUCH, T.J.

to all those of you whose email i cluttered Hey!
Tonya


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu (Scott Miller)
Time/Date: 2:43 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: The Symphony Show

        If anybody has any info about the Richmond Symphony show it would be 
appreciated.  I will be getting my ticket this weekend bright and early.  
Has anybody heard or thought about songs they might do.  Minarets would be 
awesome with a whole symphony,  as would Ants and maybe even Warehouse.  
Hope all are doing well.
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu (Scott Miller)
Time/Date: 2:52 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Carter! Help!

Sorry all,
        One more thing,  I need a good picture of Carter,  at the ftp site,  
there are pictures of everyone but him.  So if anybody has any,  or knows 
him or his girlfriend, let's try and get them and scan them in so we can 
enjoy his face also!  Thanks.
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: MPOWERS1 <MPOWERS1@ithaca.edu>
Time/Date: 5:03 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Maxell points

  The Maxell points deal goes until December of 1995.  Just for your info.
Anyways, I was curious if anyone could help me out in getting ahold of these
shows:      Paradise- Boston MA  August '94
            Riverside Park- Agawam, MA  (just the Dave's stuff-HORDE show)
                            August (?) '94
            Avalon- Boston, MA     October '94

I'ld really appreciate it if anyone could help me out!  I'll trade or send
blanks!  THANKS!!!!!!!!

Mike


Posted By: jgfelt@mail.wm.edu (felton jonathan g)
Time/Date: 5:49 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: IMIGHTHAVENYETIX4SALE

Just curious... if my original plans come through for some strange
reason, what would my 2 New Year's Eve tickets be worth?
Just asking... this does NOT mean i have two tix for sale right now,
but it is definitely possible that they will be on sale and i am
entertaining offers...
the person with the best offer i receive before noon on friday will
be the person these tix will go to IF (and i again stress IF) the 2%
chance that my plans will change does indeed occur.

Offers should be emailed to me ASAP... no firstborn children please.

                            hope i can help someone out,
                                           -j0n

ps. Clare, you don't get a discount just 'cause you were my prom date
                                                                   =)
**********************************************************************
this wonderful message brought to you by jonathan "python" felton.....
 college station box 1682, william and mary, williamsburg VA 23186
         or there's always time to try jgfelt@mail.wm.edu!

          "open up my head and let me out" -Dave Matthews
**********************************************************************


Posted By: "D. Gray Proulx" <grayp@pinn.net>
Time/Date: 8:11 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re: IMIGHTHAVENYETIX4SALE

> if my original plans come through for some strange
> reason, what would my 2 New Year's Eve tickets be worth?

Your tickets would be worth what you paid for them . I believe it was 
52.50 for mail or 51.00 at somewhere like plan 9.
Perhaps someone could throw in a few tapes for your trouble.

Please do not sell the tickets for more than you paid for them.


Posted By: "SHUT UP! i'm thinking..." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 9:10 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: ummmmm...hold that thought

from jonathan felton:
>the person with the best offer i receive before noon on friday will
>be the person these tix will go to IF (and i again stress IF) the 2%
>chance that my plans will change does indeed occur.
>
correct me if i'm wrong, but this sounds like your going to auction
those two tix.  i'll be the first to jump up and say that if you 
recieve more than $53 for either of those tix, you've made a serious
breach of the damaba ethics we live by on this net.  PLEASE correct
me if i'm wrong, but if someone uses this net to make a personal profit
off of dave band, i'll shall be severely put out.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
scalper scum suck.                 \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
Time/Date: 9:12 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: current status of graphics on the archive . . .

Here's what we have right now:
graphics/art:

[note-- the 'art' folder will be for things that people draw.  
unfortunately, we don't have anything yet! get working folks!]
 
graphics/live-photos:
940612-Boyd&Warren&Dave.gif  940612-Boyd1.gif
940612-Boyd2.gif             940612-Dave1.gif
940612-Dave2.gif             940612-Dave3.gif
940612-Dave4.gif             940612-Leroi&Stefan1.gif
940612-Leroi&Stefan2.gif     940612-Stefan.gif
941008-Band.gif              941008-Dave&Carter.jpg
941008-Dave1.gif             941008-Dave2.gif
941008-Leroi1.gif            941008-Leroi2.gif
941009-Dave&Boyd.gif         941009-Dave1.gif
941009-Dave2.gif

[note-- these are named by show date.  if you have pictures of the band 
(particularly, as Scott mentioned, pictures of Carter) please get in 
touch with me and we can talk about uploading them (mike@uri this means 
YOU!)]
 
graphics/official:
band.gif       r2t-small.gif  recently.gif   uttad.gif

[note-- this subdir will be for album covers, pictures from newsletters, 
the famous merchandise catalog, or whatever.  I'll have to come up with a 
better naming scheme for things than "band" but at the very least you all 
should be able to look around here now.]

-Ben

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      "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
       How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa
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Posted By: shaft <KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu>
Time/Date: 11:01 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Oooooohhh......Nothing really

Hey y'all,
	I'm glad to almost be out of my coma, I LOVE getting sick on
holidays!!! OK, down to business. I've been planning my early morning
journey to a real town for the purpose of buying tickets to the Valentines Day
show for many a moon now, problem though. My poor bank account is presently in
its pre-Christmas void and I have no idea how much tickets will cost. I could
always ditch my girlfriend and go with friends but that would present a few
problems: a)That would most definately NOT be in the Valentines day spirit
b)I'm a nice guy, and nice guys don't do that, and last but most importantly c)
She'll be with me when I buy tickets.  So can anyone help me prepare for this
potential disaster by letting me in on the ticket prices? Also, I know this is
a tad early to ask, but does anyone know that they will, or might possibly, be
taping that show? This is one of those once-in-a-lifetime shows that everyone
must possess.  Oh, Oh, Oh!!! For all of you who do NOT recieve the digest, I
MUST tell you that "Shaft" is on TNT today at 2:00pm. I don't think it's the
original movie (it couild be the TV show or one of the sequels) but for all of
you who have never experienced Shaft it's a must see. Dusty, I know you'll be
watching! Jeff, put down that damn proposal and find a TV! SHAFT REIGNS
SUPREME!!!!!!!! Well, I have to go rest up so that I can get drunk at my psych
profs house tonight, toodles.

P.S.-Clare, I'm sorry that I've neglected you in my last few posts, I'll make
it up to ya' darlin'. :-)

P.P.S.-Kevin, get in touch with me before this weekend if you'd like to do that
trade before break.

"Some times you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't"
						-Dave

							Kev :-Q

Now that I'm feeling better, smoking is once again allowed in my messages.


Posted By: jogriffith@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Time/Date: 11:24 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 372

I have no idea how to show that i am a digestified person...

but here goes....

by the way i liked your thing on eMpTyV...the channel is so annoying.  "MTV
is not for free.  So PC it's killing me..."--John Popper.

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:14:51 -0500 (EST)
From: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
Subject: MINARETS digest 372
To: IN%"minarets@moose.uvm.edu"  "Multiple recipients of list"

> 
> worry-free, you know me!
> lil'ole me
> 
>
>*******************************************************************************
>  'i wanna smash the faces of those beautiful boys, those christian boys... 
>         so you can make me come it doesn't make you jesus' -t.amos
>  
>                  cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
>
>*******************************************************************************
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 10
> 
> Date:          Tue    
> 
> here's my take on the eMpTyVee thing-o-morama....
> 
> government has nothing to do with it.  i would ask you, chardy, to
> prove that statement.  our government may be big, but it's not big
> enough to put a restriction on drug references on a cable tv station
> without being discovered so fast you don't have time to hide your 
> roach.  
> 
> i think it's a doo-gooder holier-than-thou effort by an elitist organization
> to think that they are having an effect on a particularly politically 
> volatile issue.  there's no denying that eMpTy Vee as a corporation takes
> the "just say no" stance, even though i highly suspect that this makes a
> substantial number of the decision makers there hypocrites (imagine that).
> 
> eMpTy Vee is simply trying to redeem their obvious lack of social value by 
> espousing a drug free mentality.  
> 
> EmPtY CeO: "hey, pass the joint.  by the way, while we're talking about
> it, we just elected a president to this country."
> 
> bored member 1: "whoa, dude, too cool.  but if we're in this kind of
>spotlight,
> maybe we should think about our credibility."
> 
> bored member 2: "yeah, man.  if bob dole finds out that we were stoned when
> we decided to endorse clinton, we're toast."
> 
> bored member 3: "let's create two stupid little country redneck kids who see
> us for what we really are and laugh and say sux all the time."
> 
> ((random hypnotic clambaked voice: "uh huh huh, huh huh...he said 'sux'"
> 
> random annoying nasal back cracking voice: "yeah, 'sux'"))
> 
> (everyone looks around a bit unnerved, then CeO looks at bored member 3....)
> 
> EmPtY CeO "you're fired."
> 
> bored member 2: "well, if we just oppose everything that made us big and then
> not tell anyone, we've got it made and we'll be able to elect presidents for
> the next century."
> 
> EmPtY CeO: "i'm glad i thought that one up.  let's censor tom petty."
> 
> coffee boy: "coffee sir?"
> 
> EmPtY CeO: "get that caffeine out of here, do you want to get clinton
>impeached
> boy?????????????"  (sound of EmPtY CeO lighting up.)
> 
> Marth Quinn: "Can i have my job back now?"
> 
> everyone:  "NO!!!!!!!!"
> 
> EmPtY CeO: "i hereby adjourn this journey for the sake of a journey to 
> jupiter."
> 
> bored member 1:"whoa, that was good......"
> 
> 
> 
> and what about dave.  this is dave.net, right?  hmmmmm.....
> 
> ok, this may be against my better judgment, but a newbie offer:::::
> 
> this is only open to people who are digestified, because i know they
> get screwed out of a lot of newbie offers.
> 
> the first 3 people to mail the header of this digest to me will get their 
> choice of a copy of 11-17-92 or 11-9-94.  if you can't edit digest, just
> go ahead and forward the whole damn thing to me.  there's a good chance
> that making this offer is going to really fill my mailbox, and if that 
> happens no one will be able to get through to me, so if you can edit out
> the body of the message, please do.
> 
> you'll have to mail blanks and postage, and i'll have to wait until
> x-mas break to actually get the tapes done.  but there's the offer.  i
> haven't spread my wealth around in a long time, and i feel better this
> way.
> 
> congratulations if you made it this far, and, believe it or not, i'm
> not stoned right now.  sockiology is just such a boring class and i
> have no choice but to act strange for a while (hence all the political
> motivation for this post:)
> 
> 
> ____________________________________
> "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
>   to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
>         --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
> __________________________________     \_________________________________
>                                   \             rick thompson
>                                    \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
>                                     \____________________________________
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 13
> 
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 22:45:24 +0500
> From: sctm@vt.edu (Scott Miller)
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Dave sings Stairway to Heaven?
> Message-ID: <9411300348.AA181872@moose.uvm.edu>
> 
>         I have a tape of the Montreal,  Club Soda show dated 10.5.94,  and 
> in the middle of an encore of All Along The Watchtower he begins to sing the 
> lyrics to Stairway to Heaven,  it's sound good.  It fits quite well into 
> Dave's version of Watchtower.  Does he do this often?  I have never heard it 
> before.  If anybody has any Dave songs with other cover tunes mingled in,  I 
> would love to hear about it.  Whoever was thinking about putting a rare 
> tunes tape together,  I think it's a great idea,  I would personally love to 
> hear Tangerine,  Redemption Song,  Sweet Home,  and a good version of 
> Exodus.  The only tape I heard with Exodus on it sucked.  I didn't really 
> like the way they did it,  but that was due partly to a really crappy tape.  
> But if you have any of those covers and want to trade,  I have a bunch of 
> good stuff!
>         The T-shirt count is now 51 in favor of making,  and 3 maybe's and 
> one definately not.  I'm still searching for a good artist,  and info on how 
> to figure out prices,  etc...  If you know any good artists,  or have any 
> other info,  my ears are open!  Have fun kids,  and what the hell was that 
> circumsion deal?
> Scott Miller-
> Virginia Tech
> 529 Shanks Hall
> Blacksburg,  VA 24060
> sctm@vt.edu
> "Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
>      - Dave Matthews
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 14
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:06:37 -0500 (EST)
> From: Kyle Kristopher Langschwager <allgood@umich.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: NYE Show
> Message-ID:
><Pine.SOL.3.90a.941129230008.14353D-100000@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> 
> Hey, it's about that time of year where we should all make a list of the 
> people going to the NYE show.  My two buddies and I are driving up from 
> Michigan on the 27th, seeing DMB on the 30th and the 31st, we all have 
> tickets and we plan on have a gran' ole' time.  We are staying at the 
> Mariott on the 31st, probably along with everyone else.  The other nights 
> we will be in Vienna, Virginia, staying with our friend.  If everyone 
> wants to do something or something kinda cool, then write to the whole 
> net.  Other than that, I'll addd our names to the list and hope that this 
> will continue.
> It's not as if this is incredibly necessary, but, since we are traveling 
> a long way, I thought it would be cool to see some of the  faces to some 
> of the names. Or, whatever!!!!
>       Kyle Langschwager
>       Jeff Rinna
>       Padraic Moore
> Well, I hope this starts an interesting trend.
>       Saying Goodbye,
>               Kyle
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 15
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:10:17 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: A Newbie Offer!!!!
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411292258.A5187-0100000@mercury>
> 
> Yay! After I finish the week, I should be done spinning tapes, so...
> 
> Time for another newbie offer from your newbie- friendly friend, who is 
> still waiting for some of that good karma from his last newbie offer.
> 
> This one's a winner too. I've got two pristine copies of 9-1-92 Trax to 
> offer, thanks to Wade. What was the source/gen on that anyway, Wade? 
> Sounds fantastic.
> Show features a Tangerine intro into Lie in Our Graves, and other good 
> stuff from the early days. 
> Best part- It's free! At least the tapes are. You'll have to send me a 
> check for $1.50 for postage, I suppose. I may even bypass that if I'm 
> feeling saucy. Just got my Max Points redeemed, you know. Blank tapes 
> cluttering my room.
> OK- here's the deal. The first two newbies to email me with, um...
> since I'm so immersed in my schoolwork this week, we'll make it work- 
> related rather than DMB related.
> Tell me what H.P.S.C.I. stands for, and the tapes are yours.
> TAPELESS PERSONS ONLY PLEASE! Don't lie. Not 5 tapes or less. No tapes. 
> Got it?
> OK. That's all.
> Laura- Haven't seen you around. Write me a nice message or something :)
> If you go to W&L give Alissa Walls a big hug from Adam and Jen.
>               Slowly Going Mad,
>               Adam
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 16
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:42:49 -0600
> From: Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Message-ID: <199411300442.AA29626@camelot.bradley.edu>
> 
>  
> i'm new to this whole schpiel, and i'm looking for any live shows 
> of DMB.  i'm also looking for samples, rusted root, phish, FJB, and 
> blues traveler.  i have shows from the following bands to trade. 
> samples, phish, blues traveler, BHT, counting crows, allman brothers, 
> black crowes, jayhawks, pearl jam, rem, jane's addiction, u2, smashing 
> pumpkins...  if you are intrested please write to me.  *thanks*
> 
> your minaret friend,  
> 
> geebs.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 17
> 
> Date: 29 Nov 1994 22:40:15 GMT
> From: Harry_Hood@fourd.com (Harry Hood)
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Who's the NICEST person on this .net??
> Message-ID: <929165310.8872437@fourd.fourd.com>
> 
> Ok folks, here's the deal...
> 
> I just got on minarets.net and am looking for live Dave. I have 2 Dave sets,
> but they are ass quality.  Anywa a computer means never having to say you're
>sorry
> ********************************************************************
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 18
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 00:08:44 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Richard G. Byerly" <rbyerly@moose.uvm.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: I'm really disturbed
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.941130000752.91387A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
> 
> Shut up Beavis...
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 19
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 02:27:38 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> To: Bunchafreaks <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: 'I'm drunk, and right now I'm so in love with you..'
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300244.A21400-0100000@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> 
> mltiple points...
> 
> 1)from the good response on the rarities tape, I will work hard on 
> compiling my best and most random versions of dave tunes on a 90 min 
> tape, and I will tree and or post when I've got it done...
> 
> 2)Edwin McCain is the shit...I (sorry Clare forgot to tell you) had the 
> pleasure of seeing them this evening at Hollins and it was kick ass. Get 
> this. No taping because the sbaord was shity and I needed a 1/4 inch 
> headphone jack converter to rca cable to tape. BUT I was told the tapes 
> came out crappy anyway and the sound guy gave me 2 90 MIN soundboard 
> tapes from gainsville (ohio?) for FREE cuz I just asked about taping. He 
> said that they were done with em and I could have em. Kinda cool as shit, 
> they wanted me to be able to tape, but since I couldn' he gave me free 
> cool tapes, and free stickers....
> Hung out at Carters girlfriends apt....she tossed in UTTAD and was a cool 
> girl.....
> 
> 3)listen to UTTAD on headphones or a nice stereo. Nine inch Nail fans 
> (Clare) will aprreciate this, but IMHO Dave should be given mucho credit 
> where due in the studio. Listen to Satellite (yes I said it) and listen 
> for TIm Reynolds backup acoustic guitar....
> 
> 4)Edwin just said "go listen to a band you have never heard of, and keep 
> us from eating at Taco Bell, we play for you, and you will something or 
> other.. I forget already...nicest sound guy I ever met (except Bagby, 
> whom I've never formally met). The bass player does sound, and has a 
> wireless, and soundchecks while he is at the board, PLAYING!! kinda cool!!
> 
> 5)again UTTAD (for mucho tape people) should and will be appreciated for 
> the COOL ASS SHIT they do in the studio...
> 
> 6)I have to cd single of the petty tune in question, from my radio job, 
> and will listen to the radi and "alternate" version and psot my thoughts 
> on it latr....
> 
> 7)once i review my inbox, I will have forgotten things to say...
> 
> The DMBrarities Box Set tape I will be out soon as a offer, for anyone, I 
> dont care what you got...anyways....
> 
> 
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> |Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96                                            |
> |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu              P.O.Box 322                     |
> |Washington and Lee University                Lexington, Va. 24450           
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> |     "No..."                                                         |
> |     "A Royale with Cheese...."                                      |
> |                                                                     |
> |     Ezekiel 25:17                                                   |
> |                                                                     |
> |v4.0                                                                 |
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 20
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 02:38:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> To: Bunchafreaks <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Oh yeah...
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300248.A21400-0100000@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
> 
> BTW, 
> 
>       yes, my last post has some inebriation in it, but I sabe all the 
> wonderful comments on my tape idea, and will get it out....
> 
> Any suggestions on a raritie/wierd version of a tune???
> 
> Once again Edwin McCain is a stellar band....I might tree the tapes I got
> 
> its beddy bye time for me....
> 
> latr..
> 
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> |Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96                                            |
> |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu              P.O.Box 322                     |
> |Washington and Lee University                Lexington, Va. 24450           
>|
> |                                                                     |
> |     "You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"              |
> |     "No..."                                                         |
> |     "A Royale with Cheese...."                                      |
> |                                                                     |
> |     Ezekiel 25:17                                                   |
> |                                                                     |
> |v4.0                                                                 |
> *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 21
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 01:38:09 -0600 (CST)
> From: "THOMAS (POSTER NUTBAG) SLY" <SLY@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
> To: MINARETS@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Re: I'm really disturbed
> Message-ID: <01HK2MTFY6N695O513@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
> 
> ...yeah, I'd say you ARE pretty disturbed....you Blue Devils sure do
> have odd senses of humor-not a flame just a thought....
> Thomas
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 22
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:12:00 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Daniel R. Craver" <drcraver@mailbox.syr.edu>
> To: mail list DMB <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: Building collection
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300805.A265-0100000@kong.syr.edu>
> 
> This is in response to the post about being a little disgrunted over
> letting sisters and friends copy all thier boots for free.
>  
> Maybe only because I'm a newbie trying to build a collection the hard 
> way I can relate, but I do.
> Lets all remember that the music is basically free.  I'll tape for anyone 
> providing raw materials as long as I have the time and equipment.
> Maybe if the oldies(as generous as they allready are) could help us out:
>   When exchanging lists w/ a newbie and nothing catches eye, have send 
>   blanks, postage, and IOU in future.
> I have done this with boots of old NYHC bands(anyone interested, I think 
> I'm beginning to mellow in my age)
> 
> Anywho, use DMB for lasting engine protection and reducing viscocity 
> breakdown,
>           Dan
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 23
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:47:58 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Newbie wackiness.
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300940.A26258-0100000@mercury>
> 
> 
> Well, we're quite a creative, if somewhat offbeat bunch of folks.
> I must close my newbie offer. Sorry.
> I take one random factoid from the material I happen to be studying and 
> post it on the net as a trivia question. Next thing you now, I get all 
> sorts of creative, if incorrect, responses.
> So here's what I'll do. I've got about seven responses. The two most 
> creative or humorous get the tapes free. The other five have to send me 
> blanks. NOBODY else respond. 
> I'm thinking of not granting the newbie request to the person with the 
> .mil address that didn't know that HPSCI is the House Permanent Select 
> Committee on Intelligence. You should be ashamed of yourself ;)
> I'll be in touch with everyone who made the list. Give Wade a big thank you!
>                               -Adam
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 24
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:51:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: Oh yeah
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300937.A26258-0100000@mercury>
> 
> 
> I'll allow the guy with the Harry Hood email address in on the newbie offer 
> if he tells us all where he goes when the lights go out.
>                                       -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 25
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:46:18 -30000
> From: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
> To: Minarets <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
> Subject: the most recent tour dates I have
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411301024.A4841-0100000@netspace.students.brown.edu>
> 
> Here they are . . . If DMB is playing near you and you have info, write 
> me and I'll add it:
> 
> The Dave Matthews Band Fall Tour 1994
> 
> December:
> 02 Davis Rec Center (916) 752-6074        Davis CA  *w/ Phish*
> 03 Event Center Arena (408) 287-9200      San Jose CA  *w/ Phish*
> 04 Venue TBA                              San Fransisco CA
> 06 Whisky                                 Los Angeles CA
> 07 TBA
> 08 Coach House (714) 496-8930             San Juan Capistrano CA
> 09 Ventura Theater (805) 642-2064         Ventura CA 
> 10 Santa Monica Civic Aud. (310) 393-9961 Santa Monica CA  *w/ Phish*
> 15 Liberty Lunch                          Austin TX
> 27 Fox Theater                            Atlanta GA
> 28                                        Brimingham AL
> 29 Grady Cole Center                      Charlotte NC
> 30 Lisner Auditorium                      Washington DC
> 31 Marriott                               Richmond VA
> 
> -Ben
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
>        How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 26
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 11:12:45 EST
> From: Adam Jason Croan <ajc4w@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: exceptionally disturbed
> Message-ID: <199411301613.LAA21359@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
> 
>      Matthew Thomas Gabay
> 
>           Post anything like this again and your wild and crazy, disturbed
> fantasy just might come true.
>           Baby
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Topic No. 27
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:51:40 -0500 (EST)
> From: "not in any hurry to live my life..." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
> To: minarets@moose.uvm.edu
> Subject: my tape offer
> Message-ID: <01HK3891LA248YAVZ1@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
> 
> my last past included a tape offer at the end, and i just want to emphasize
> that that offer is open _only_ to people who are digestified, meaning
> that you just got a big message from minarets entitled "minarets digest
> #370."  since i haven't gotten that digest yet, this should be a part of
> it.  
> 
> ____________________________________
> "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
>   to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
>         --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
> __________________________________     \_________________________________
>                                   \             rick thompson
>                                    \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
>                                     \____________________________________

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JT Griffith                               "If you want peace then live alone
Box #2012 Vassar College                   If you wanna hide then find a stage
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601-6198                Each a brief but perfect home
jogriffith@vassar.edu                      To accomodate your rage."
Words of the day:  "Royale with Cheese"                        -John Popper
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Posted By: jogriffith@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Time/Date: 11:25 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 372

oooops!  Shit I am sorry.  That damn long stupid re-post wasnt meant to
bounce back to Minarets...I sent it to the wrong person.  Many Many
appologies.  Gomen. Gomen.

                --JT
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JT Griffith                               "If you want peace then live alone
Box #2012 Vassar College                   If you wanna hide then find a stage
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601-6198                Each a brief but perfect home
jogriffith@vassar.edu                      To accomodate your rage."
Words of the day:  "Royale with Cheese"                        -John Popper
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Posted By: Don Jennings <DMJ@ALPHA.SUNQUEST.COM>
Time/Date: 11:29 AM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Other DMB tour dates...

Here's some that Ben didn't list:

12/12 -- Phoenix, AZ... not sure of the venue, but I can find out if 
anybody wants to know.

12/13 -- Tucson, AZ @ The Rock.  Tix go on sale tonight (12/1) at the 
Major Lingo show (check 'em out!) and are $10.

____________________________________________________________________________
    Don Jennings - Interfacing    |  "Put your soul in the water,
      dmj@alpha.sunquest.com      |   and join me for a swim tonight."
                                  |    --Live, `Pain Lies on the Riverside'
  Queensryche-Rush-DreamTheater   | 
 Live-PearlJam-Primus-BlackHappy  |  "Through nature's inflexible grace,  
 ToriAmos-AiC-FatesWarning-etc..  |   I'm learning to live..."
----------------------------------|    --Dream Theater, `Learning to Live'


Posted By: William Dow <jugular@rhf.bradley.edu>
Time/Date: 12:04 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re: Dave/Band symbol

hey-
someone asked if the firedancer was a dave matthew's original...according 
to the little dmb catalog, the firedancer shirt is "based on another 
original sketch by Dave Matthews"...
so i'd say, yes, that's his artwork...
bill


Posted By: Midn David Russell Arning <m970168@pratt.nadn.navy.mil>
Time/Date: 12:17 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: dmb new year's show

could some one please tell me what to expect concerning this show.  thanks.


Posted By: msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu
Time/Date: 1:00 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Dec. 30

Hello all
	Ok so what's the scoop?  Originally i heard Bender for the 30th 
the latest dates say Lisner.  Now i know American has shows over break 
(phish NYE run last year) but is george washington doing this show?  and 
any idea on prices?  (basically is it going to be cheaper then the $10 
GSW show at the bayou the same night?)  still considering going but...

let us know bye

matt


Posted By: arabella@mail.utexas.edu (Arabella Clauson)
Time/Date: 1:21 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: DMB on World Cafe

For those in the WORLD CAFE listening area (to find out, send email to
worldcafe@a1.relay.upenn.edu).....

>FROM:  Bruce Warren, Associate Producer, World Cafe/WXPN
>RE:  WORLD CAFE SCHEDULE OF IN-STUDIO VISITS
>
>
>Hi folks. Here is an updated list of our in-studio visits and special
>shows November/December 1994
>
>Due to last minute scheduling and/or the availability of the artists,
>the schedule may change at the last minute.
>
>DECEMBER

>2 - The Dave Matthews Band make their Cafe debut

Just passing along information.....

Arabella


\____ ----- ____/  Arabella Clauson
     ( o o )       arabella@mail.utexas.edu
      \   /        The University of Texas
       (_)         at Austin


Posted By: pak <JNICHOL1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Time/Date: 2:26 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: soft rasty things

hello...okay, i have a few questions...what the hell is a newbie and would i
be considered one...i have no dmb tapes, i have seen dmb three times, i have
both albums...i got into them last year and i have only been on the
minarets.net for little over a month...so, the question is once again: am i a
newbie?...i tried to get on a newbie offer yesterday and felt guilty, because
             a) didn't know if i was a newbie and

             2) the guy who was offering it, well, my mail "bounced"...

i was wondering also if anybody has any stories (see, you thought i was going
to type "tapes", didntcha?) of personal encounters with dmb members...if you
don't mind i will tell you mine...keith, i know you and mom have already heard
this story eight trillion times...i'm gonna tell it anyway :)...

     Okay, it was last year, and my first year at the lovely University of
Alabama here in Tuscaloosa...it was the day before the first day of class and
i heard that there would be a seven-band concert within walking distance, a
sort of "Welcome Back To Higher Learning" kind of thing...so i went without
knowing who would be playing or anything...
     I get there (the Riverside Amphitheatre) at one in the afternoon...and
almost nobody was there...a local band was playing...i went to a total stranger
and asked who would be playing...he rattled off a bunch of bands that i didn't
know and ended with "...and the Dave Matthews Band." and he smiled...i thought
that these bands, including dmb, were just cheesy local bands and didn't think
much about it...remember, folks, i was new :)...
     well, anyway, i figured i would just listen to the bands, after all, i
paid for a ticket ($7, can you believe it!) so i would just lay on the grass
and stare at the sky for a while...so i did...
     it began to get dark and the fifth band was playing on stage...i am
looking about and a crowd is gathering...all of the sudden, or at least it
*seemed* that way, this tall guy wearing a funny shirt and baggy plaid pants
ambles over with his friend...his friend was wearing a leather vest and little
round glasses...they looked at me and i looked at them...they laid down next to
me on the grass and we just stared at the sky together...not a word was
spoken...hell, i didn't know who these guys were, what the hell was i supposed
to say, you know?...
     the sixth band finished and a huge crowd had gathered at the front of the
stage...these two guys laying next to me just get up all of the sudden and move
towards the stage...i get up too, wondering what the hell was going on...five
minutes later, the dave matthews band is playing on stage!...i was just
sleeping with boyd and dave!  and i have been converted ever since... =8-)

okay, that's my story...i would prefer it if you e-mailed the stories directly
to me...my address is jnichol1@ua1vm.ua.edu...thanks for your time...

                                                         pak


Posted By: sayat.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Sayat)
Time/Date: 2:47 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Edwin McCain

Sorry, this is old news, but I'm digestified.  A couple of digests ago,
Chris Buford posted about the Edwin McCain Band.  I saw Edwin McCain at the
Brown's Island show headlined by DMB back in August '94.  He was fantastic.
The show was even more sweeter to find out that he was a substitute band to
fill in for another act that was sick or something.  His disc is definitely
worth checking out.  He's also supposed to come out with a new disc next year.
Anyway, this post is directed to Chris Buford.  Boofy, I'm definitely
interested in your Edwin tapes.  You should definitely tree them!

Peace out,
Jon


Posted By: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 2:48 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Rarities...

Well, I will definitely make a rarities tape over xmas break and tree it 
when we get back. I'll try to cover all the bases, but you never know. 
Maybe i'll make two tapes, maybe a box set hahaha

anyways gotta go to class

*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
|									|
|v4.0									|
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Posted By: CGL5671@ACS.TAMU.EDU
Time/Date: 3:01 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 372

My that is a lot of pages.

						Mr. Bad Grammer,
						Cliff
						CGL5671@zeus.tamu.edu


Posted By: Gregory Michael Pepper <gpepper@unix.cc.emory.edu>
Time/Date: 3:40 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: rare tape

God bless the one who is trying to create a rare tape collection.  
Considering myself an avid misic fan, seeing a favorite musician cover a 
great song and adding their own touch is always a delight.  If the tape 
gets made where could I get a copy?


"Taste great, less filling!

				Greg Pepper
				gpepper@emory.edu


Posted By: 50OGLESBY@CUA.EDU
Time/Date: 3:51 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Info. on 12/30 and 2/14 for the Masses!

hey now,
there have been a bunch of posts with incorrect info concerning the 12/30 
show in d.c. it is at american university in the bender arena at 8 pm. get
your tickets now! i just got mine, and the operator said that she shows
only 50 tickets left fr the event. btw, it is a general admission show. on
another note, i just called the richmond ticketmaster phoneline, and tickets
for the famed 2/14 show go on sale this saturday morning at 10. it is at the
carpender center, and she said that it is billed only as DMB. does anyone
know if it is actually with the RSO? i hope that i have been of some 
assistance to those out there in cyberspace. could anyone hook me up with
any dave/tim solo acoustic shows for blanks and postage. please don't frown
upon my grovel. thanks.

                        jonathan (who is without a relevant dave quote)


Posted By: Sara.E.Burch@Dartmouth.EDU (Sara E. Burch)
Time/Date: 4:26 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject:

hi. 
i'm usually more poetic, always a fan of tarantino's, and most often loving
the tapes i've gotten from you all. however, right now i'm not anything but
studying for finals and grubbing for new years tickets. i've got two tix for
the thirtieth and am willing to pay a price that'll tempt most of you.
(though, that shouldn't matter.) please be just plain and simple friendly and
try to help me out if possible. thanks kindly,
sara.e.burch@dartmouth.edu


Posted By: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
Time/Date: 4:31 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: UPDATED VERSION FOR ALLLLLL.....

  O.K.

This is a post for all those interested in the DAVMALTATIONS tape.
i have recieved alot of questions regarding this and i think they
are answered in here. thank you for your support and please clear 
the aisles of all popcorn containers before exiting...beware of
rhino's and tall tree's with bow ties.....
Print this out now if want a copy of the tape...this is me last post, matey.

 hey all.
 
> HERE IT IS. a very simple paint by numbers way to get the Davmaltations tape.
> 
>           1) send a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope to the address
>              below on your screen.(this is very important!!!)
>                              - or -
>          1a) send enuff money to cover a return envelope and postage.
               (most likely $3 or $4 --- and send cash, I'm not a bank!)
               Just send the same amount you spend to send the blank to me.  
               ** if you choose this method, don't forget YOUR address
                  written somewhere in the package you send me! **
> 
>           2) include one 100 minute Type II tape.
>            (maxell XL II 100,TDK SA 100 or anything that says POSITION II)
> 
>           3) and last,a 3x5 card stating your astrological sign or 
>              whatever you feel like writing at the moment.
>          
>           4) send the above to this address:
> 
>                    Cha McEwan
>                    400 Baldwin Road
>                    Richmond, VA 23229.
> 
> 
>   
> **************print this message out before you lose it.****************
 
  THEN...all you have to do is wait and your tape will arrive in the mail!
 
  i wish i could do trades on this offer,but i'm as broke as you can
  get and also in debt for my freedom....so i can't really afford to
  buy any blanks at the moment...so just take the money and run....i'm
  offering a free ride...get on and enjoy....PEACE.
  
          Gripping the Sun with Bare Hands and Not EvenGetting Burned,
  
                                   CHA * *
                                       \_/
******************************************************and now......

the UPDATE.

   1) Dave Matthews: the charasmatic lead singer of a band of the 
                     same name.

   2) Exaltation: state of mental or spiritual elation or excitement.

**put these words together and you have : DAVMALTATIONS.

 ....and this is the premise for a tape. A collection of noises,verses,
    sayings,jams and whatever else i come across by combing thru arbitrary
    tapes along the road. All of the above coming from the DAVE MATTHEWS 
    BAND live performances. There are even some stoney,journalistic comments 
    from myself to help weave you thru the listening journey...(don't worry,
    only a couple...)   Some of the quality is good, some is mediocre,
    but it all can be heard....and this offer is not closing.  soooo....
    send a tape. 
               ...i think this is fairly easy to deal with,so 
    take it or leave it. and i have alot of mail so please forgive
    moi if a letter goes unanswered...i don't own a computer and I 
    i AM in college....at least most of the time...I think....
    anyway....PEACE.

                 SEX, DRUMS  and the  BUTTERFLY  metaphor,

                                CHA * *
                                    \_/


Posted By: "Brian T. Hauser" <hauser@server.chem.ufl.edu>
Time/Date: 4:39 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: The Ultimate Band List

Hey all,
	I was cruising the WWW and I stumbled across a thing called the 
Ultimate Band List.  Anyone heard of it?  Anyway, I decided to look up
DAMABA and the listing was pretty incomplete--only gave the net address.
I'd update it with pertinent info if nobody cares.  The reason I'm asking
is that they have entries for a WWW site, FAQ, lyrics, tablature, 
digitized music, etc., and I didn't want to list people's names as 
sources if they didn't want it broadcast all over the frigging cyberworld.
(I just put netscape (quicker than Mosaic) on my PC and boy am I wasting 
time surfing) Anyway, does anybody care, anybody listening (Rick, Ben(s))??

Continually amazed by this WWW stuff...
Brian

________________________________________________________________________________

 Brian T. Hauser               hauser@chem.ufl.edu          TEL: (904) 392-3580
 Department of Chemistry    hauserbt@pine.circa.ufl.edu     FAX: (904) 846-0296
 University of Florida
________________________________________________________________________________


Posted By: CONJURAEM@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 5:14 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Lost Mail!

if any of you have tried to send me, or anyone else at the univ. of
richmond mail, it never made it here.  The system has been down from
around 10:30 this morning until just about now...5:00 PM

if there is anything important out there
just forward it to me..

thanks 
emily


           @@@@@@@@      Give me, amidst the confusion of my day, the
          @@@@@@@@@@@     calmness of the everlasting hills.  Break the      
         @@@      @@@@     tension of my nerves and muscles with the        
        @@@         @@@     soothing music of the singing streams that    
       @@@ __________ @      live in my memory.  Help me to know the        
       @@  \___/\___/ @       restorative power of sleep.  Teach me the     
       @@       |     @        art of taking miniute vacations -- of 
       @@      _|     @          slowing down to look at a flower, to
       @@             @   \\  //  chat with a friend, to pat a dog, to 
       @@\   \____/   @   _\\//_   read a few lines from a great book.
       @@  \__    __/ @   \    /
       @@@@@  \__/ @@@@    |  |    Remind me each day of the fable of the
       @@@@   |  |  @@@    |  |   hare and the tortoise, that I may know
       @@    /    \  @@    /  |  the race is not always to the swift; that
           /       \______/  /  there is more in life than increasing its 
          /  I'm A    ____  /  speed.  Let me loop upward to the branches of
         |      FAN!   \     the towering oak, and know that it grew slowly
                            and well.  Slow me down, and inspire me to send my
                   roots deep into the soil of life's enduring values, that I
 may grow toward the starts of my greater destiny.
                                                           -L.O. Crain

check out my new WWW page

              http://www.mathcs.urich.edu/~emc3b/LocalHome.html


Posted By: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
Time/Date: 5:21 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re: Dec. 30

On Thu, 1 Dec 1994 msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu wrote:

> Hello all
> 	Ok so what's the scoop?  Originally i heard Bender for the 30th 
> the latest dates say Lisner.  Now i know American has shows over break 
> (phish NYE run last year) but is george washington doing this show?  and 
> any idea on prices?  (basically is it going to be cheaper then the $10 
> GSW show at the bayou the same night?)  still considering going but...
> 

Sorry, my fault Matt.  It's Bender Arena.

I doubt it'll be cheaper than $10.  In fact it's $20 + service charge, 
didn't someone say that a few days ago?

> let us know bye
> 
> matt
> 

-Ben


Posted By: Kyle Kristopher Langschwager <allgood@umich.edu>
Time/Date: 5:26 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: It's about time for a big trade session again!!

O.K. this goes out to all of the people who have a good supply of 
bootlegs and are ready, or willing , to make a kinda big trade!  
Shawn-the guy who sent me the 10-26 tape, the blind pig show from last 
month kinda wasn't that amazing, wexcept for Get in Line.  If you still 
want it tell me, I still have your address and I could send it to you.  
But, if you are going to be at the NYE show, we could make it real easy.  
Also, if any of you, i'm sure there are many are going to be there 
too(NYE), let's make it a time to make some could, person to person 
trades.  I'm even thinking that I am going to go out and buy a bunch of 
tapes, tape them and bring a bunch to the CONVENTION>  That's what it is 
going to be I think anyways.
Alright, here is my list as of 12-01-94,  hopefully it will be bigger in 
two days, I heard some guy on campus has 25 himself, I'll h ave to do 
alittle smoozing.  O.K. here I go, (i hate doing this):
In order of dates:

1992		WTJU Radio Station		1tape
04-05-92	Van Ripers Festival		1tape
09-30-92	FZ	Unplugged		2tapes
11-06-92	hollins college,VA		1tape
12-31-92	FZ New Years Eve		1tape
03-17-93	Blind Pig, ann arbor,MI		1tape
03-18-93	Wetlands, NY			1tape
05-11-93	Trax, Charlottesville, VA	1tape
06-01-93	Zolman's Pavilion,W&L S.Party	1tape
06-09-93	FZ	Fenton's B-Day		2tapes
06-24-93 	Wetlands, NY			1tape
10-26-93	Trax, Charlottesvile		2 tapes
11-10-93	FZ   CD release party		1 tape
11-17-93	FZ				1 tape
12-01-93	FZ				1 tape
12-31-93	FZ New Years Eve		1 tape
01-03-94	Variety Playhouse,Atlanta,GA	1 tape
02-04-94	Georgia Theatre, Athens, GA	2tapes
04-10-94	Lake Matacka, Williamsburgh,VA	1tape
04-24-94	Van Ripers Festival		1tape
07-30-94	Brown's Island			1 tape
08-01-94	The Muse, Nantucket, MA		2 tapes
08-02-94	The MUSe, Nantucket, MA		2 tapes
08-03-94	The Muse, Nantucket, MA		1 tape
09-01-94	Jones Beach, Long Island w/R&R	1 tape
10-29-94	Blind Pig, Ann Arbor, MI	2 tapes
??????		Chi Phi, Athens,GA		1 tape
??????		Charlotte,N.C.			1 tape

Phew, that's it.  If anyone knows if these dates are wrong or if I didn't 
get the full show, tell me, if you want to take the time. Other thatn 
that, you probably know that FZ stands for Flood Zone.  O.K. let's get 
ready for a big trade.  Get ahold of me personally on e-mail if you want 
to.  If you are too busy during finals, I understand.  I'm leaving for 
the Semester at Seas on January 27th, but like I said, I'll be at the 
shows on the 30th and the 31st. 
		Saying Goodbye,
			Kyle


Posted By: SilverCow <fhouse@vt.edu>
Time/Date: 5:34 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: RR Minarets Encore

        I posted this some time ago but I lost the address and name of 
whoever responded... Anyone have a copy of the Rusted Root/ DMB minarets 
encore at I forgot where! Let me know if you'de like to trade, I know a few 
others that would also be interested... 

                                                Bye bye now... (SNL)

                                                                ...Fred House 


Posted By: "Catherine E. Hobbs" <chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 5:42 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Read only if youre a leaf under chobbs on the 11/11/94 tree

all of you that are supposed to receive your copies of wait  from me 
chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
i think there are 5 of you
i am sorry ..but ive been extremely busy ... BUT 
ive got things under control now and ill be gettingin touch with you 
all personally TONIGHT
if i dont
mail bomb me till i get wityh the program .. 
and oh .. i just demagnitized my taped heads .. and cleaned em .. so i am 
in the process of getting things dont properly 
please dont fret .. ill be in touuch 
take a moment to really relax . youll feel great ..its what i jstu did
cathy


Posted By: EJ_Tiedeken@ACAD.FANDM.EDU (Eric J. Tiedeken)
Time/Date: 6:00 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: All DMB fans please read!!!I need help

Hello again,
        Earlier I posted that I want to put a Dave Base together. I have
been informed that someone has been trying, but I also ws told it could
possibly fall through. Please read my posting on the legistics of things to
produce this compilation. I will ask for a vote on whether or not the DMB
community thinks it is a good I dea. Actually, just write back if you could
and give me some input. Tank you ever so much.

                                                                Runaway Eric


Posted By: i am a goddess not your mother <CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu>
Time/Date: 6:24 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: every finger in the room is pointing at me

now jon... 
how could you dare to try to scam anyone for a marriott nye dave ticket?
it makes me seriously disappointed in you. 
seriously.

you writing something like that in to this peaceful phriendly net makes me 
want to be ashamed for havign gone to prom with you. 
[clare shakes her finger in jon's face]

adam.. i got the article.. 
jason.. your tapes will be out by monday (hopefully sat, though)
cliff.. your tapes will be longet than that even though i've had them 
        longer than an elephants gestation period
patrick.. i owe you mail... ask cathy to forward you the funny 
        chuck-e-cheese/grover's resting spot letter.. it's so funny..
reid and/or sue.. are either of you two still alive?
benjamin.. stoppit with the freaky dream coincidences
rick.. tell the kids i'll be calling soon... this weekend maybe once 
        genetics has kicked my butt tomorrow..
buford... 'can we make spoons?'
jon... i think a clarifying letter (being oh-so-humble) would make your 
       participation in this net more amendable...

light and jubilance...
my name means light.. did you known that?

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   'i feel it all fading and paling and i'm begging to drag you down with me 
   to kick the last nail in yeah i like you in that like i like you to scream 
 but if you open your mouth then i can't be responsible for quite what goes in 
                       or to care what comes out......' 

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
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Posted By: sean.berry@mail.trincoll.edu (Sean Berry)
Time/Date: 6:28 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re: Re:Dave@Zollman's

Adam Vann writes:
>Your tape is mislabelled. 1-30-93. Zollman's. Song is, um, Blue Water, or 
>Blue Water Babboon Farm, depending. 
>Actually, maybe it's 10/31. Same place, but I don't have this tape, so I 
>don't know if it was played. I'd guess not. Go with the first one.

10.31.93 is from the Wetlands, New York, NY not Zollmans Pavillion. It is a
great tape with cameo appearences by Richard Harding on flute, Bluewater is
on 1.31.93 Zollmans--great solo Nancies, and Billies with Boyd. 2 great
tapes
Sean


Posted By: roberts@seas.smu.edu (John Roberts)
Time/Date: 7:08 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: definate newbie

	Hey everyone,
Im going to admit that i definatly am a "newbie". I love Dave, yet I have none of his music other
than the two released albums.  Id love to get my hands on some live stuff, but im also a newbie 
to this email & tree stuff so i dont know how.  Someone please help me out and explain this tree 
thing, as well as how i can get in contact with some people willing to let me copy their tapes.
Thanks alot             
                          - Read (not John)


Posted By: chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Brian Lipman)
Time/Date: 7:57 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject:

Hey y'all,

Due to the high interest in Blue Screen Tapes I am going to arrange a small
tree of two shows:

10/17/94 

"Brazil Theme"   ...............Brazil Soundtrack
"Coconuts"(underneathe opening) Widespread Panic, "Space Wrangler"
"Alumni Blues"..................Phish, 2/23/90 Haverford College
"Time is Free"..................Widespread Panic 10/31/93, Montana
"The Poignant and Epic Saga of Featherhead and Lucky Lack"
                        ........Blues Traveler 5/17/93 Eugene, OR
"Gyute"..(broadcast debut??)....Phish 10/7/94 Lehigh, PA
"China Cat Sunflower-->I Know You Rider"..Grateful Dead "Without A Net"
"Angel From Montgomery".........Dave Matthews w/ Tim Reynolds, 1/29/94
Wetlands                                                                   
                                            
"Nightengale"...................God Street Wine "Bag"
"Mango Song", "Freebird"........Phish, 8/20/93 Red Rocks
"Big House Blues"...............Ren & Stimpy

   &

11/28/94 

"Brazil Theme-->"   .............Brazil Soundtrack
"Dark Side Tease-->Ed Sullivan Intro.-->Back in the USSR"(underneathe
opening schpeil) Phish, 10/31/94 Glens Falls, NY
"Werewolves of London"...........Widespread Panic, 10/31/94 Evanston, IL
John Popper Interview-->
"Love of My Life"................Blues Traveler 11/12/94 Upper Darby, PA
Trey Anastasio's Interpretation of the Blue Screen-->
"Halley's Comet"-->"David Bowie"........Phish, 11/26/94  Minneapolis, MN
"Two Step".......................Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds, 1/29/94 NYC
"No Dogs Allowed"................Phish 10/26/89 Wetlands, NYC
"Big House Blues"................Ren & Stimpy


They each fit on 90 minute tapes

So please send me mail with the subject "LEAF" if you don't want to make
copies or "BRANCH" if you want to make copies (about 3...6 tapes)

Please no high speed dubbing!

The deadline is Tuesday 12/6 at Noon.
The tree will be posted the first week of January

OK, here's the form.....

_________________

Name:
Email address:
Taping setup, heads, etc..
Snail address:
Phone #

_______________

Thanks and be sure to use the proper subject headers....if you are willing
to spin more than three copies as a branch please not that in the subject
ie: 
BRANCH-5

OK?

 |
/ \

Chico

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Posted By: keith oliver <KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Time/Date: 8:48 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: helpers!!

ooooo!!!
  thanks to all of you who wrote offering to help me tree things!!
I mailed chris "boofy" about treeing his rare dave tape -- and if he
okays it (which he sort-of did, but he didn't say specifically if he
would let me do it) then I will be getting in touch with all you
helpers later.  What a nice little community.

                                          keith


Posted By: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 9:05 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: tape updates and the such...

Wow have I dug myself into alot of tape trading...
here's the situation...

1)I will make a rarities mix over x-mas break. After break it will be 
treed, run by kieth oliver because I don't have the time...

2)edwin McCain. seeing the response I got from the love of the band, i 
will most likely tree the gainsville,fl tapes or opening for dave at 
browns island. Haven't listened to the 2nd gainsville tape yet so I don't 
know whats best. I will ponder this over break and announce it after 
break. 

3)shannon worrell. I talked to the guy, and i need to get the tapes and 
dub them. The setup forced him to only be able to use one channel, but I 
can fix that with my y-jacks. I will tree this also when I get back 
because I got a lot of requests for that to.

4)WHERE IS THE DAVE & TIM TREE that started a long time ago.
my parent was/is Matt Currie. Brett Kingswell, did you ever get your tapes?

5)please don't ask for these shows from me until I post the trees. I 
loved everyones response, especcialy on e mccain, but I am so mentally 
confused right now on who I owe tapes to and what I need to copy etc. and 
I need to clear my head.

Latr....
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|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
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Posted By: NAME <SRH1111@delphi.com>
Time/Date: 9:18 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: DMB w/ RSO

Hi!  To whom it may concern, I have before me a flyer advertising the
Valentine's Day Dave gig.  It says, "Dave Matthews Band & The Richmond
Symphony in Richmond, VA."  Period.  No location but it does say that
tickets will go on sale Saturday, Dec. 3 through ticketbastard.

This isn't pr


his isn't probably earthsahattering news to everyone, but I got the
flyer at the Lexington show and figured I'd pass it along.
Peace.


Posted By: AMZENDEL@unca.edu
Time/Date: 9:19 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: If you don't go to school in Harrisonburg, Va. don't read this

Sorry to take up band space.  But whoever i had a trade with whose goes to the
school that the address ends in JMU, I sent your tapes today (Thurs.) so you
should be getting them on mon or tues.  Email me to let me know that you got
this message

alex

The Clock on the Wall always read 4:20!


Posted By: ChadDK@aol.com
Time/Date: 10:09 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: rumor???

does anyone know if there is any truth to the rumor that dmb will be making a
concert apperance in NY area sometime before new years?

chad


Posted By: keith oliver <KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Time/Date: 10:24 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: RE: tree updates...

ok-- so I am going to tree the rarities tape.  After X-mas.  I'll get back
   to those who offered help, in the next few days.

And one more thing re-- whoever posted about the symphony at Richmond not being
  billed with Dave.  I have seen 3 shows (most recently, Moody Blues in
  Knoxville last March) where the show was billed "The Moody Blues" only, but
  where the Knoxville Symphony also played.  It usually doesn't say on the tix,
  and often the TM people don't know or understand anything.  Hopefully I can
  make the fourth next Feb!

                              keith

BTW, Boofy-- keith  ei ei  ;)


Posted By: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 10:26 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: I found the pictures.....

WOW!!!!

I finally found a Fetch program at my school and I downloaded some pics. 
Wow, thats some cool stuff. I love computers and not having class on 
thursdays. anyway I'm gonna go FTP my butt off...

btw kieth you have my granted permission to tree my tape...

*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
|									|
|v4.0									|
*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*


Posted By: Sir Buford <cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 10:49 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: To ben tanen

Yo ben, I forgot your address, anyway

I'm trying to fetch sounds from DMB and it wont gimme permision. Whatup?

latr...

*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
|Chris "Boofy" Buford  '96						|
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu             	P.O.Box 322			|
|Washington and Lee University	       	Lexington, Va. 24450		|
|									|
|	"You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?"		|
|	"No..."								|
|	"A Royale with Cheese...."					|
|									|
|	Ezekiel 25:17							|
|									|
|v4.0									|
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Posted By: abaraff@MACALSTR.EDU (Aaron Baraff)
Time/Date: 10:58 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re:Info. on 12/30 and 2/14 for the Masses!

Dear People with computers who like Dave Matthews Band,
 In digest 376, 50OGLESBY@CUA.EDU wrote that there were less than 50
tickets left to the show on 12/30 at American U.'s Bender Arena.  Could
this possibly be?  (Does Ticketmaster even give out that type of info?)
The place holds a couple thousand people and tickets have only been on sale
for 8 days.  I suppose it is within the realm of possibility, but the
morning they went on sale, I was literally the only one waiting at the
Bender Box Office.  Boy did I feel like an idiot getting there half an hour
early to buy tickets to a general admission show and being the only one
there.  When the box office finally opened the guy practically had to wake
me up to tell me that I could buy my tickets.  I had kind of been hoping to
meet some fellow fans that morning, but oh well.  Very strange indeed.
Later,
Aaron.

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* "Let's See IT, Page!!!" -Ben Boyer  * Aaron Paul Baraff          *
* "See What?" -Page McConnell 4/23/93 * Macalester College         *
*        *         *          *       * 1600 Grand Avenue          *
* "Whoops. Forgot to turn the old     * Saint Paul, MN 55105       *
*  amp on..." -Trey Anastasio 2/7/93  * <abaraff@macalstr.edu>     *
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Posted By: abaraff@MACALSTR.EDU (Aaron Baraff)
Time/Date: 11:13 PM Thursday, December 1, 1994
Subject: Re: Blue Screen Tree

Dear Blue Screen Show folks,
        I'm undoubtedly being super-anal here, but you might want to
consider leaving the stuff that's taken from released CD's off of your
tapes that you're treeing.  By taping it and widely distributing it, you
might be indirectly hurting the bands in question.  (I'm not too worried
about the Dead's financial situation; I'm more concerned about GSW.)  Just
a little ethical dilemna to consider.  The tapes sound like they'd be
killer even without China->Rider or Nightengale.
Thanks,
Mr. Anti-copyright infingement.

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* "Let's See IT, Page!!!" -Ben Boyer  * Aaron Paul Baraff          *
* "See What?" -Page McConnell 4/23/93 * Macalester College         *
*        *         *          *       * 1600 Grand Avenue          *
* "Whoops. Forgot to turn the old     * Saint Paul, MN 55105       *
*  amp on..." -Trey Anastasio 2/7/93  * <abaraff@macalstr.edu>     *
********************************************************************


Posted By: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
Time/Date: 1:04 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: crazy with the archive!

On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, Brian T. Hauser wrote:

> Hey all,
> 	I was cruising the WWW and I stumbled across a thing called the 
> Ultimate Band List.  Anyone heard of it?  Anyway, I decided to look up
> DAMABA and the listing was pretty incomplete--only gave the net address.

I updated it, with links to the faq, chords file, lyrics, hyperlyrics, 
and homepage.  Enjoy.

The ultimate band list can be found at:

http://american.recordings.com/wwwofmusic/ubl.html

------

Also, I created a dave talk page tonight with sounds that scott miller 
gave me this morning.  http://netspace.org/DMB/dave-talk.html

Enjoy all you web surfers.


-Ben

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      "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
       How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa
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Posted By: telvis@acs.bu.edu
Time/Date: 1:46 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: trade???

Hello all,

	I'm looking for  HQ shows with one of the following:

Redemption Song
Two Step
Drive in Drive out



I have a few good qual shows to trade (@9 tapes, I think).  

including 10-8-94 Avalon Boston, MA (1st gen sbd)
	  10-9-94  Lupo's  Providence,RI (2nd gen sbd)

	And 5-21 + 5-22-94  Jams on Encores with Phish (Phish set II's)


Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks 

Dave(telvis@acs.bu.edu)


Posted By: "Mark L. Chang" <mchang@silver.ece.jhu.edu>
Time/Date: 1:53 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: On the radio!

99.1 WHFS, Baltimore/DC DMB radio sighting....!!!

Jimmything on the radio!  

Just thought I would waste some bandwidth with this.  Tnx...

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Posted By: jgfelt@mail.wm.edu (felton jonathan g)
Time/Date: 3:15 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: re: my NYE tix...

regarding the NYE tix that MIGHT POSSIBLY be for sale:
i really didn't mean CASH (above the ticket price anyway), although
that certainly has its merits...
i was speaking more in terms of rare Bagbys, etc... anything good
that i would like to have... sorry if you all assumed i was some kind
of huge capitalist whore... if i wanted cash, i'd name a price-
instead i was trying to see what people had to offer...

just trying to clarify- hope you all understand.
                                        -j0n
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Posted By: malachi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jeffrey Andrew Heys)
Time/Date: 7:39 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: 1st CALIFORNIA SHOW!!

Tonight, the DMB played their very first ever show in California at the
Palookaville in Santa Cruz (the one that cost $5).  And it rocked!

First of all, no one seemed to really know who they had come to see
(probably as a result of the 5 bux tickets).  Secondly, the place
definitely qualified more as a club than a "venue".

Anyway, here's the setlist:

Seek Up
Best of What's Around
The Song that Jane Likes
Dancing Nancies
Warehouse
Satellite
Rhyme and Reason
Jimi Thing
Say Goodbye
TRUE REFLECTIONS
What Would You Say
Tripping Billies
Recently
#36
Ants Marching

   -encore-
solo Christmas Song

The show lasted about 2 hrs. 15 min. and was the best of the 5 shows that I
have been to.  The band seemed restdhappy to be alive, especially Dave, who
emitted quite a bit of Davespeak for such an unfamiliar audience.  Carter
was jammin pretty hard, too.

I'd say that Dancing Nancies and Jimi Thing started everything off very
nicely for me.  Say Goodbye and True Reflections was the climax, and
Christmas Song sent everyone into oblivion.

I would write more about the show, but I'm about to fall asleep after the
best night of my life, so I suspect I could write more commentary after the
Davis, San Jose, and San Francisco shows.  Hope to see ANYONE there!

BTW - if anyone taped the show, i'd love to trade for it!

                                M A L A C H I

        M A L A C H I


Posted By: CONJURAEM@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 8:29 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: I knew there was something I had to post here....

On my recent turkey week trip out to Utah to do a little skiing, I happened
to be listening to the radio....yikes, I admit it....

Anyway my point is that they are playing DMB out in Utah.  Productive
work on RCA's part.  The guys haven't even made it to that state yet.  
However there are still people out there that go "Who?" when you mention
Dave's name....namely one friend of mine from Montana.  I told him that
Dave was playing in his home town of Bozeman, MT over turkey week and he
exclaimed the aformentioned...."Who?"

	Oh...one other thing that I have to mention is that all MTV bashing
aside, I am one who doesn't turn that box of non-sense on when I am bored...
I put a live show on my stereo instead, but ANYWAY...I happened to see
something on MTV last night that I am a very strong supporter of and thing
think, many of us should at least takes a looksy at it.  It has to do with
the latest version of the Real World.  I know many of you may be quick to 
jump and say...
"Oh that just a stupid soap opera version of how none of us live...."
and yes that is probably true...
but if any of you have ever watched the show, then you might know something
about the guy on there named Pedro Zamoro (sp?)  As some of you might know
he living with the AIDS virus and struggled through many parts of the show
due to his illness.  He also lived the healthy times in his life to the
fullest and was an annimate activist for AIDS rights and AIDS awareness.

Well three weeks ago today, Pedro past away.  MTV did a memorial to him
last night, that was very inspiring and very sad at the same time.

Well if you can catch it, please just take the hour to sit down and watch
the program.  In a time when many of us sit behind this computers healthy
and illness free, it is very reflective to watch someone only a few years
older than you, waste away from a preventative disease....

OK enough of my schpeel....

now back to your regularly scheduled newbie discussions and tape trades....

let it snow let it snow let it snow

*   *   *       *
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*    *  *   *   
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there is my version of snow...pretty bad...just use your imagination...

AND finally, check out my new WWW page....
its not totatlly done, but if you wanna check it out the address is at
the bottom of this message under my LONG sig, that I need to change...

hugs from red to dude
emily


           @@@@@@@@      Give me, amidst the confusion of my day, the
          @@@@@@@@@@@     calmness of the everlasting hills.  Break the      
         @@@      @@@@     tension of my nerves and muscles with the        
        @@@         @@@     soothing music of the singing streams that    
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       @@      _|     @          slowing down to look at a flower, to
       @@             @   \\  //  chat with a friend, to pat a dog, to 
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       @@@@   |  |  @@@    |  |   hare and the tortoise, that I may know
       @@    /    \  @@    /  |  the race is not always to the swift; that
           /       \______/  /  there is more in life than increasing its 
          /  I'm A    ____  /  speed.  Let me loop upward to the branches of
         |      FAN!   \     the towering oak, and know that it grew slowly
                            and well.  Slow me down, and inspire me to send my
                   roots deep into the soil of life's enduring values, that I
 may grow toward the starts of my greater destiny.
                                                           -L.O. Crain

check out my new WWW page

              http://www.mathcs.urich.edu/~emc3b/LocalHome.html


Posted By: Lindsay Harris <lharris@gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
Time/Date: 8:34 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: please unsuscribe me!

i wrote this same message yesterday, i think, maybe two days ago, but 
anyway, maybe i'm writing to the wrong address, but
PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!!! i have receved entirely too much mail from 
random people, i don't have time to read any of it, and i really don't 
want to receive it any more. thanx --lindsay


Posted By: "Sanford A. Fine" <saf1@acpub.duke.edu>
Time/Date: 9:23 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re:Info. on 12/30 and 2/14 for the Masses!

aaron

i was planning on going to this show but that message scared me off. i 
hope you are right about the amount of tix left.

hopefully some are left, see ya at the show!!

sandy


Posted By: hillcs@picard.ml.wpafb.af.mil (Charles S. Hill)
Time/Date: 9:40 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Dave WWW Page

>Topic No. 15
>
>Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:41:31 +0000
>From: "Brian T. Hauser" <hauser@server.chem.ufl.edu>
>To: Dave Matthews Band Net <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
>Subject: The Ultimate Band List
>Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412011616.A9818-0100000@server.chem.ufl.edu>
>
>Hey all,
>        I was cruising the WWW and I stumbled across a thing called the
>Ultimate Band List.  Anyone heard of it?  Anyway, I decided to look up
>DAMABA and the listing was pretty incomplete--only gave the net address.
>I'd update it with pertinent info if nobody cares.  The reason I'm asking
>is that they have entries for a WWW site, FAQ, lyrics, tablature,
>digitized music, etc., and I didn't want to list people's names as
>sources if they didn't want it broadcast all over the frigging cyberworld.
>(I just put netscape (quicker than Mosaic) on my PC and boy am I wasting
>time surfing) Anyway, does anybody care, anybody listening (Rick, Ben(s))??
>
>Continually amazed by this WWW stuff...
>Brian

All that would need to be done is write an HTML document with the URL's of=
 the current files where they sit, so that the info doesn't have to go on=
 the ultimate band list site.  I bet

http://netspace.students.brown.edu/http/DMB/homepage.html

Is a little better.

I'll check it out...

Hey Ben I couldn't get your address to from the WWW pages.  I added tiny <5K=
 uttad and <10K R2T-tiny.gif images with links to the large files to your=
 homepage.html.  I can ftp the 1" .gif's and the file to you if you let me=
 know where to put them.  You could add a live photo's page the same way.  I=
 don't have time now, later.

By now somebody probably replied to the original post but I don't have time=
 to catch up now.

hey I added Emily's (conjuraem@urvax.urich.edu) graphics ftp link too.

Now I'm going.



Charlie Hill (Chas)  USAF Wright Laboratory, Materials Directorate
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 (  )   (  )  chill@uceng.uc.edu            | H(513)252-5001    CARBON
 ( (     ) )  http://www.primenet.com/~jodell/barefoot.html     SCIENCE.
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"


Posted By: "Sanford A. Fine" <saf1@acpub.duke.edu>
Time/Date: 9:54 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re:Info. on 12/30 and 2/14 for the Masses!

sorry about that last post, it was meant for aaron

no flames, please


Posted By: ChadDK@aol.com
Time/Date: 10:18 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: interesting bootleg & questions.

hey all!
i very new to this whole newsgroup thing and i'm a huge dmb fan. so i have a
couple of quick questions and then an offer for those interested...
first of all - will someone please - who has the time - expain to me what and
how this *treeing* thing works. 
next - in terms of copying bootlegs - i saw someone post *NO HIGH SPEED
DUBBING* - so my question is, does high speed dubbing seriously decrease the
quality of the copy???

finally - an offer to those who love SAY GOODBYE...  a friend of mine put
together a *progression of SAY GOODBYE* - it is all excellent quality (sound
board digital onto DAT)  -  13 versions from 12/8/93 up through 9/30/94. so
if your interested i'd like to share it with you!!!
you must do the following:
send a 90 minute tape - type II
to the following address:
Chad Kraus
145 West 79th street
Apt. # 12-C
New York, NY 10024

YOU MUST ALSO INCLUDE:
a self addressed stamped envelope
              -or-
2 or 3 bucks CASH to cover a padded evelope a postage cost.
if your sending me the money don't forget to include your address on a piece
of paper so i know where to send it!!!!

that's it!!!!
hang loose,
chad

ChadDK@aol.com

could i have been anyone other than me...


Posted By: mccusker@k12.ucs.umass.edu (Melanie McCusker (Stoneleigh-Burnham S))
Time/Date: 11:34 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Help me! :)

Hi there! I've been lurking for a while, but figured there was no
time like the present to bust out and wish everyone Happy Holidays!
I am hoping someone will join me in the holiday spirit and give me
a little help...Who the heck sang these songs and which songs are
they from??
	"Tell Mr. Godot I'm walking the dog."

	"We had every big shot good-time band on the run boy"

	"I sit in a chair reflecting back upon my life and I have
	so much yet to learn and so much yet to see and do."

Thanks a million for the bandwidth and, in advance, for all your
help...			
			Peace,
				Mel
P.S. Hi Gordon ;)

--
**********************************mccusker@k12.ucs.umass.edu*****
Far away, there in the sunshine, are my highest aspirations. I may
not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty, believe in
them and follow where they lead.      -Louisa May Alcott


Posted By: @uvmvm.uvm.edu:SREILI31@MAINE.bitnet (Steve Reiling)
Time/Date: 11:35 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Potential Waste of Bandwith (ftp)

Potential Waste of Bandwith (ftp)


Posted By: "Catherine E. Hobbs" <chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 11:47 AM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: interesting bootleg & questions.

someone asked if highspeed dubbing seriously decreases sound quality 
and i thought that there are probably lots of people with more technical 
insight onto tape quality thatn i have ..but i understand it all in 
laymans terms and i feel comfy sharing my knowledge and im open to 
correction too

in essence: yes, high speed dubbing seriously decreases tape quality OVER 
THE LONG HAUL .. like a few generations down
the tapes is moving faster and for that reason blank (empty noiseless) 
tinsy spaces are left .. the recordingisnt quite a complete .. sortof 
like what it looks like when you run a piecce of chalk flatwise over a 
chalkboard .. filled in..but fuzzy .. follow?  

also: if you record in dolby BE SURE TO LET EVERYONE MAKING A TAPE FROM 
YOURS THAT YOU USED it .. and whether youused dolby a, b, or c
(these caps are not yelling-- just emphasis)
dolby sortof laps off the upper hinge of the sound spectrun when youi are 
recording .. preventing hiss .. but anything recorded in dolby must also 
be played back in dolby to experience the benefits (?  thats subjective i 
guess)  play back in dolby expands the sound specctrum so that you still 
have a full  sound umm math like recored dolby - sound, play dolby + that 
same amount of sound = full sound less hiss ..  well sortof 

ANYWAYS lots of people dont like dolby at all so be careful with it

and dual cassette decks .. it doesnt make a difference what you do 
because they are programmed to make an exact recording of the master .. 
minus the typical generational wear 

no matter what .. make sure you have clean heads (tape heads not your 
heads ) and keep your deck up ... demagnatitze regulary and such 
th e whole point is to presserve sound quality  for everyone   


okey dokey .. well i hope my laymans knowledege isnt too confusing or 
erroneous  and that it sortof gave you some insight as to whats going on here
hmmm 
i think its time to frolic ..and play and smile 
cathy


Posted By: ellis godard <jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu>
Time/Date: 12:29 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: VALENTINE'S DAY SHOW

Tickets go on sale tomorrow (Saturday, Dec 3) morning for...

THE DAVE MATTHEWS BAND _*with*_ THE RICHMOND SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA

Tuesday, February 14, 1994 .. Valentine's Day... in Richmond, VA

Toll-free ticket number is 1-800-594-TIXX to charge by
mastercard.

Ellis of Lemuria

-- 
Ellis ("of Lemuria") Godard * * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
><>  jeg5s@virginia.edu  ><>  jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu  ><>
  MA Candidate, UVA Sociology Dept. -- Admin. for Phish FAQ File
  (804) 296-9692 - Keep gliding, smiling, & riding that train...


Posted By: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
Time/Date: 12:40 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: Potential Waste of Bandwith (ftp)

On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, it was written:

> This may be a stupid question, but what is the site for ftp files (sounds,
> pictures, etc.)? I know I've seen it posted, but I discarded all old
> postings.

ftp://netspace.org/pub/DMB

http://netspace.org/DMB/

Enjoy!

-Ben


Posted By: Merta@Microserve.com (Merta)
Time/Date: 12:56 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: 10-1-94 NEWBIE OFFER

This message pertains to the people I have contacted that ansewered my question

You can send your tapes out any time now....

Be sure to include postage and your address and return postage.
Put your address on a separate piece of paper with your E-mail address also
include your home address if you are leaving school and what day you are
leaving school.

BTW  Dominic Sagolla... I already recieved your tapes but no postage or return
address.  Please send me the postage and your address.

I belive I sent all of you my snail address but if you deleted it email me and
I'll send it back out to you.

                                  peace out
                                           patrick




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* And the grass doesn't grow                 * Surrender to the Phlow!!!      *
* Don't laugh i love you   -Deen & Gene Ween * Every Sat nite 10-2 88.5 WRKC  *
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Posted By: Matthew Thompson <matt@arbutus.Stanford.EDU>
Time/Date: 1:02 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: 1st CALIFORNIA SHOW!!

> 
> Tonight, the DMB played their very first ever show in California at the
> Palookaville in Santa Cruz (the one that cost $5).  And it rocked!
> 
> First of all, no one seemed to really know who they had come to see
> (probably as a result of the 5 bux tickets).  Secondly, the place
> definitely qualified more as a club than a "venue".
> 

The show was great!! I thought it was so cool how so few people knew about them
before last night, but so many seemed to be instantly converted after hearing
their first few songs. Boyd, not surprisingly, was absolutely on fire. And I 
could really enjoy him, too, being only two rows back with *plenty* of space to 
groove.

I just can't say enough about how cool the crowd was. I kept overhearing people
say that they had never heard about them before yesterday, and that they had
to go to the back and get cd's or whatever. Everyone was really respectful and
everytime I turned around I saw about 200 smiles looking back at me.

Dave was really excited that they were received so warmly. "Everything" opened
for them, and they were amazing, too. I'd have to say that we gave the warmest
welcome to the West Coast possible. East Coast people should be proud.

Peace,
Matt


Posted By: "your head is a shovel-- use it." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 1:29 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: there's a moon...over bourbon street....tonight....

>
>Dear Blue Screen Show folks,
>        I'm undoubtedly being super-anal here, but you might want to
>consider leaving the stuff that's taken from released CD's off of your
>tapes that you're treeing.  By taping it and widely distributing it, you
>might be indirectly hurting the bands in question.  (I'm not too worried
>about the Dead's financial situation; I'm more concerned about GSW.)  Just
>a little ethical dilemna to consider.  The tapes sound like they'd be
>killer even without China->Rider or Nightengale.
>Thanks,
>Mr. Anti-copyright infingement.
>
i disagree.  the whole point of treeing the blue screen is to spread this
music, and all of these bands are interested in spreading there music.
in all honesty, i think the only member of this entorage of musicians who
gives a flying f**k about his financial situation is dave matthews, and
he obviously doesn't care enough to put a cap on what music goes where.
if these bands don't care if we march into their shows with a tape deck 
and start spreading their music around, why should they care what becomes 
of their studio recordings?  they didn't lose money on putting it out, and
they make most of their money off of their live performances. 
at the same time, the music found on the blue screen tapes will give willing
people the opportunity to hear these bands music in it's studio form and
decide whether or not they want to get more, and also hear the music in
conjunction with other bands of the genre.

on that note, i think the blue screen is a great concept.  and after two years
of slowly molding my radio show into what i want it to be, i've finally found
it.  next semester i'll be running a specialty show on a campus radio station,
called the icebox menagerie, that will be based on a similar concept.

the difference in my show, though, will be that i will be exploring the range
of this genre more, trying to introduce my campus to a wider range of music
that's on its way to being known as 'granola' music.  whatever that means.
i'll probably list my songs as well, so that you can see these names regularly,
and hopefully i'll be able to build up some sort of public response here on
what is good and what is bad and pass that info on to you (so all you folks
here at jmu be sure to tune in to 88.7fm, wxjm next wednesday night at 8pm 
and next semester on mondays at 12pm until 2pm:)

so how does this net help?  help me find the bands that need exposure.  i want
to get as much new music into our rotation bins as possible, so if you are in
any way related to minor labels or a blossoming band, get in touch with me.
as far as stuff that goes in our rotation bin, it must be on cd or 7" vinyl,
i'll take tapes, too, and use them myself only on my show.  we already have
the wiggly compilation and aware II (both of which i ______HIGHLY______
recommend) and i'm looking for more.

thanx, y'all...

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
                                   \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: "your head is a shovel-- use it." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 2:11 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: so.

>99.1 WHFS, Baltimore/DC DMB radio sighting....!!!
>
>Jimmything on the radio!  
>
>Just thought I would waste some bandwidth with this.  Tnx...
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mark L. Chang | http://teal.ece.jhu.edu/~mchang | mchang@silver.ece.jhu.edu
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
so.
whfs is the closest thing radio has to mtv.  if they really care they
should have been playing seek up since sep 93.

kudos to them for choosing jimithing over satellite or ants, though.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
                                   \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: "C. Blake Campbell" <campb_c@cs.odu.edu>
Time/Date: 2:21 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: rants marching in my head won't leave me alone (sorry I only get the digest)

sooner or later, I knew this would happen....


god...don't you hate when that happens...

just hit N when asked if you'd like to include original message in reply...

SAY NO!!!


Posted By: jag1@cornell.edu (Jeremy Gans)
Time/Date: 2:45 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Rusted Root in Syracuse?

Sorry to waste space with a non-DMB question.  Does anyone know where
Rusted Root is playing in Syracuse in mid-December and the definite date.
I think it's the 14th, but I'm not sure.  Thanks

"Shut up I'm thinking
I had a clue now it's gone forever."
--Dave Matthews


Posted By: ChadDK@aol.com
Time/Date: 3:05 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: thanks for the help!

i've received the info i needed on TREES and HIGH SPEED DUBBING. so no need
for anyone else to email me - thanks again!

chad


Posted By: GRROLNICK@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Time/Date: 3:08 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 376

hello. i hate to waste bandwith, but i need help unsubscribing the digest. i
have tried several times, but can't get it to work. i would appreciate any and
all help i can get. thank you.

--greg

grrolnick@vassar.edu


Posted By: Ben Tanen <btanen@netspace.org>
Time/Date: 3:25 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: it's called BIG BUSINESS.

On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, your head is a shovel-- use it. wrote:

> >Dear Blue Screen Show folks,
> >        I'm undoubtedly being super-anal here, but you might want to
> >consider leaving the stuff that's taken from released CD's off of your
> >tapes that you're treeing.  By taping it and widely distributing it, you
> >might be indirectly hurting the bands in question.  (I'm not too worried
> >about the Dead's financial situation; I'm more concerned about GSW.)  Just
> >a little ethical dilemna to consider.  The tapes sound like they'd be
> >killer even without China->Rider or Nightengale.
> >Thanks,
> >Mr. Anti-copyright infingement.
> >
> i disagree.  the whole point of treeing the blue screen is to spread this
> music, and all of these bands are interested in spreading there music.

You're absolutely right Rick.  However, and let's take GSW as an example, 
they are not the ones in complete control of HOW there music is 
distributed.  The whole point of signing with a major label is to take 
advantage of their VAST distribution channel.  It's sort of amazing, 
actually: that GSW and Dave and Jackopierce and all these other bands 
suddenly get their own little card in thousands of record stores around 
the country, and the world actually.

> in all honesty, i think the only member of this entorage of musicians who
> gives a flying f**k about his financial situation is dave matthews, and
> he obviously doesn't care enough to put a cap on what music goes where.

You know something, it doesn't really MATTER anymore whether Dave cares 
about his financial situation or not.  I can assure you that RCA does 
care very much about their financial situation, and although I would 
think that treeing Brian's show will not affect sales negatively of any 
of the bands he plays, it doesn't matter what I think either.  It'd be 
against the law.

----

> on that note, i think the blue screen is a great concept.

Me too.  Too bad I won't be able to hear Brian's show.  And your show too, 
Rick.

>rick thompson

-Ben

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
      "We needed a vacation, but the concept was unthinkable.... 
       How could you take a vacation from life?"   -- Vin Scelsa
-------------------------------------------------------------------------


Posted By: akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu (Jennie Akins)
Time/Date: 3:39 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Twas the nite before finals

And another little something from a perspective who I had last year who now
goes to Sewanee......

>Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:08:01 -0600
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>To: cstudent@seraph1.sewanee.edu
>From: smithka0@seraph1.sewanee.edu (Kim Smith)
>Subject: Twas the nite before finals
>
>
>>
>>
>>                   The Night Before Finals
>>
>>                 Twas the night before finals,
>>                 And all through the college,
>>                 The students were praying
>>                 For last minute knowledge.
>>
>>                 Most were quite sleepy,
>>                 But none touched their beds,
>>                 While visions of essays
>>                 danced in their heads.
>>
>>                 Out in the taverns,
>>                 A few were still drinking,
>>                 And hoping that liquor
>>                 would loosen up their thinking.
>>
>>                 In my own apartment,
>>                 I had been pacing,
>>                 And dreading exams
>>                 I soon would be facing.
>>
>>                 My roommate was speechless,
>>                 His nose in his books,
>>                 And my comments to him
>>                 Drew unfriendly looks.
>>
>>                 I drained all the coffee,
>>                 And brewed a new pot,
>>                 No longer caring
>>                 That my nerves were shot.
>>
>>                 I stared at my notes,
>>                 But my thoughts were muddy,
>>                 My eyes went ablur,
>>                 I just couldn't study.
>>
>>                 "Some pizza might help,"
>>                 I said with a shiver,
>>                 But each place I called
>>                 Refused to deliver.
>>
>>                 I'd nearly concluded
>>                 That life was too cruel,
>>                 With futures depending
>>                 On grades had in school.
>>
>>                 When all of a sudden,
>>                 Our door opened wide,
>>                 And Patron Saint Put It Off
>>                 Ambled inside.
>>
>>                 His spirit was careless,
>>                 His manner was mellow,
>>                 He started to bellow:
>>
>>                 "What kind of student
>>                 Would make such a fuss,
>>                 To toss back at teachers
>>                 What they tossed at us?"
>>
>>                 "On Cliff Notes! On Crib Notes!
>>                 On Last Year's Exams!
>>                 On Wingit and Slingit,
>>                 And Last Minute Crams!"
>>
>>                 His message delivered,
>>                 He vanished from sight,
>>                 But we heard him laughing
>>                 Outside in the night.
>>
>>                 "Your teachers have pegged you,
>>                 So just do your best.
>>                 Happy Finals to All,
>>                 And to All, a good test."
>>
>>
>>Good Luck to everyone! And Merry Christmas!
>>
>>                                        KIM :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- End of forwarded message from Nicholas Edward Gonzalez
>><speedy@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and
stick together."  --Robert Fulghum
"Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious
oblivion......"  --my daddy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jennie Akins
SPO 1117
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, TN     37383-1000
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu


Posted By: Matthew Thompson <matt@arbutus.Stanford.EDU>
Time/Date: 4:11 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: so.

> >99.1 WHFS, Baltimore/DC DMB radio sighting....!!!
> >
> >Jimmything on the radio!  
> >
> >Just thought I would waste some bandwidth with this.  Tnx...
> >

> so.
> whfs is the closest thing radio has to mtv.  if they really care they
> should have been playing seek up since sep 93.
> 
> kudos to them for choosing jimithing over satellite or ants, though.

What is the problem with Satellite and Ants Marching? I know they're played 
more often than others, and if a radio station plays DMB they're more likely
to play those two than others, but I'm wondering, do you like the songs? do you
appreciate that they've been written, and written by a great song-writer, no
less? It's funny, 'cause it seems like lots of people in on bands like DMB or 
any band in the HORDE scene are kind of schizophrenic. On the one hand, they 
want the bands to themselves, but on the other hand they want the band to be
recognized by everyone, something they can't do if they want the band to 
themselves. I love being in on a band like DMB in the early years. It's
exciting and satisfying. But they're good. Some day they're going to be all
over the radio. And soon, radio stations are going to play songs that we were 
all in on in the early years, and we'll all be able to say "Gee, you know, they 
only play these two songs, I wish they would play some of the old stuff that in 
a very real way we help build."

*I* like the songs. I know this is a matter of opinion, and you're more than
welcome to yours. But why does everyone assume that all DMB listeners think 
these two songs should not be played?

Confused, somewhat,

Matt


Posted By: "Adam Vann (BK 1995)" <axvann@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
Time/Date: 4:13 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: there's a moon...over bourbon street....tonight....

On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, your head is a shovel-- use it. wrote:

> >
> >Dear Blue Screen Show folks,
> >        I'm undoubtedly being super-anal here, but you might want to
> >consider leaving the stuff that's taken from released CD's off of your
> >tapes that you're treeing.  By taping it and widely distributing it, you
> >might be indirectly hurting the bands in question.  (I'm not too worried
> >about the Dead's financial situation; I'm more concerned about GSW.)  Just
> >a little ethical dilemna to consider.  The tapes sound like they'd be
> >killer even without China->Rider or Nightengale.
> >Thanks,
> >Mr. Anti-copyright infingement.
> >
> i disagree.  the whole point of treeing the blue screen is to spread this
> music, and all of these bands are interested in spreading there music.
> in all honesty, i think the only member of this entorage of musicians who
> gives a flying f**k about his financial situation is dave matthews, and
> he obviously doesn't care enough to put a cap on what music goes where.

Rick- what does this mean? I'm a little confused. No one else care about 
$? Maybe less than most entertainers, perhaps, but they probably care 
just a little bit.

> if these bands don't care if we march into their shows with a tape deck 
> and start spreading their music around, why should they care what becomes 
> of their studio recordings?  they didn't lose money on putting it out, and
> they make most of their money off of their live performances.

I sort of agree, with many hesitations. First of all, I think the 
original post was more in concern for the Blue screen folks than the 
artists- just making sure they don't get into trouble. However- anyone 
can play anything on the radio (most programs generally play nothing BUT 
studio releases- remember) and anyone can tape it. Treeing it, however, 
might constitute some sort of use without permission.
The Dead's policy on taping has paid off for them simply because of sound 
quality- they made a ton releasing a show on CD that almost everyone had a 
copy of on tape already (8-13-75, One From the Vault) because their fans 
are fanatic about sound quality. Now- what if some group 
decided to get one guy to buy a copy of the disk and then tree it for 
everyone, DAT or with hi- q analog equipment to minimize loss of signal? The 
band might not be too pleased. This is an exaggeration of 
the Blue Screen situation, of course. All I'm saying is be careful.

 
> at the same time, the music found on the blue screen tapes will give willing
> people the opportunity to hear these bands music in it's studio form and
> decide whether or not they want to get more, and also hear the music in
> conjunction with other bands of the genre.
> 
> on that note, i think the blue screen is a great concept.  and after two years
> of slowly molding my radio show into what i want it to be, i've finally found
> it.  next semester i'll be running a specialty show on a campus radio station,
> called the icebox menagerie, that will be based on a similar concept.
> 
> the difference in my show, though, will be that i will be exploring the range
> of this genre more, trying to introduce my campus to a wider range of music
> that's on its way to being known as 'granola' music.  whatever that means.
> i'll probably list my songs as well, so that you can see these names regularly,
> and hopefully i'll be able to build up some sort of public response here on
> what is good and what is bad and pass that info on to you (so all you folks
> here at jmu be sure to tune in to 88.7fm, wxjm next wednesday night at 8pm 
> and next semester on mondays at 12pm until 2pm:)
> 
> so how does this net help?  help me find the bands that need exposure.  i want
> to get as much new music into our rotation bins as possible, so if you are in
> any way related to minor labels or a blossoming band, get in touch with me.
> as far as stuff that goes in our rotation bin, it must be on cd or 7" vinyl,
> i'll take tapes, too, and use them myself only on my show.  we already have
> the wiggly compilation and aware II (both of which i ______HIGHLY______
> recommend) and i'm looking for more.
> 
I'm still plugging Blue Miracle. Anyone at MAryland have any tapes? Does 
anyone even tape them? I've never seen a deck at the board.
			-Adam


> thanx, y'all...
> 
> ____________________________________
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>   to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
>         --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
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> 


Posted By: 6705625@sunybroome.edu
Time/Date: 4:16 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Hello out there

I am new at this whole thing but I can tell it is going to be one hell
of a journey. I am looking for some people who are willing to do some trading.
I don't have very much now but I do have some stuff. I only have the DMB and
Rusted Root to offer, but it's a start. Please send me a line or to if
you would like a list of what I have, I will be more than happy to make
copies for you. I also heard a rumor that the DMB was going to make
an appearence somewhere in NY before NYE; is this true?

                                         Thanks--Heavy Head


Posted By: klong@nysernet.ORG ("K.A. Long")
Time/Date: 4:24 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: MINARETS digest 377

RR is playing Hungry Charlies on the 11th.  Dunno how many
tix are left-there were only 40 or so when I got there for mine.

klong (who's hoping SU student gov't gets Dave up there like they want)


Posted By: "Stephen J. Seremeth" <sseremet@emba.uvm.edu>
Time/Date: 4:26 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: re: Boofy's picture finding talents

Boofy - 
	Sorry to post this to the net, but would it be possible for you 
to tell the rest of us how you got those pictures on screen?  I'm sure I 
have the capabilities on this computer (a school computer) and am dying 
to check that stuff out.  With a little direction I think I'll be ok.  
		Thanks-

		Steve 


Posted By: "Sanford A. Fine" <saf1@acpub.duke.edu>
Time/Date: 4:30 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: dmb in D.C. on 30 dec.

hey all dave fans going to the show

does anyone want to trade tapes before the show, of dave shows or 
anything else good that you have that others may enjoy (phish, WSP, 
FJB, RR, allgood, everything...)

write me back personally or to the net if this sounds cool.

tickets are going fast so get them now before ticketbastard decides to 
have some more random fees.
thanks
later,

sandy 
saf1@acpub.duke.edu


Posted By: "M. David Toole" <toolemd@mail.auburn.edu>
Time/Date: 5:42 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: john jacob jingleheimerschmidt

Hey all,
     I have just discovered that I have two different bagby's labeled 
10/26/93.  If someone could send me the complete & correct setlist, it 
would be much appreciated.

     Also, I'm trying to come up with some sort of list of albums by 
other artists featuring members of DAMABA.  Like Shannon Worrell's 'Three 
wishes', Allgood's 'Kickin & Screamin', etc.  Send me any that you know 
of. 

 WSP tonight w/9 AM final tomorrow................... 
ouch, another red eye review session
                       
                              smirks,
                              :) Toole

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Posted By: Jeff <JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU>
Time/Date: 5:45 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: UTTAD ants, the mystery continues....

hello world,
	I just have a few thoughts about the presence of and quality of "Ants"
on UTTAD.  I'm not sure if this has been debated before my month and a half
amongst such good friends, but I know some people out there wonder why the hell
Dave put Ants on the disc.  Rick made a point about Satellite being a newly
sublime version which Dave obviously wanted to share with his audience, but we
can all see and hear that Ants as recorded on the cd is rather dangerously
close to crap.  Why put it on?  My answer: the title of the disc is Under The
Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the
album.  But then Why is it such a lame version?  Has anyone noticed the absence
of the familiar "Dueling Banjos" riff between Boyd and Leroi?  It's not there
and the voids are filled with several different fills that don't have the same
effect as what we were all used to hearing.  Now, why didn't they use the riff? 
Maybe in the big world of major label-land, copyrights prohibited the use of
that particular riff.  thusly, ants is heard without the duel and we have the
result which is akin to mooshy pasta sticking to the roof of my mouth.  What
does everyone think?  If I'm completely off base, let me know.
		don't forget to wash well between your toes!
			jeff
ps  let's all send Cha some positive mental energy to help him with all that
dubbing he's so generously doing with his DAVEMALTATIONS tape!  Thanks from us
all, man!


Posted By: "Daniel R. Craver" <drcraver@mailbox.syr.edu>
Time/Date: 6:23 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: personal: msweeny

Hello,
wrote your address down wrong and deleted your message.  trying to send 
you my boot list.  please get back to me.  Dan

life's to short for capitals, sorry bout the lack.


Posted By: Gregory Michael Pepper <gpepper@unix.cc.emory.edu>
Time/Date: 6:58 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Tape trades

Hello, let me introduce myself, I am greg pepper down here at emory.  I 
hail from new york and did not have grits untill I got here.  Another 
thing that I failed to be aware about the south was DMB.  I've been 
listening to them down here and I love them!  Here is the catch, I would 
love to get some tapes of shows only I have nothing to offer.  I have a 
decent portion of my dead and phish collection with a couple of live 
suprizes to offer.  If anybody could help me get started with a DMB 
collection it would be much appreciated.  Thanks for reading this.  I 
know it gets annoying reading all the entries.  If you can help me out 
e-mail me at gpepper@emory.edu
		Thanks once again
		Greg Pepper
"IF you are not busy being born, you might as wel be dying!" 
 Robert Zimmerman


Posted By: Emily.Beck@mail.trincoll.edu (Emily Beck)
Time/Date: 8:03 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: dmb in ct?

This is probably the rumor of all possible rumors looking at the DMB
scheduled concert dates, but has anyone else heard that they'll be playing
in CT during January '95? Like I said, sounds doubtful.  Anyone?


Posted By: akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu (Jennie Akins)
Time/Date: 8:36 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: Twas the nite before finals

Sorry about that last post y'all.  I meant to send it to someone else but I
must have clicked on the wrong e-mail address.  Didn't mean to offend.....

Jen

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stick together."  --Robert Fulghum
"Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious
oblivion......"  --my daddy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jennie Akins
SPO 1117
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Sewanee, TN     37383-1000
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Posted By: bmking@mail.wm.edu (Brett)
Time/Date: 8:48 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: UTTAD ants, the mystery continues....

>close to crap.  Why put it on?  My answer: the title of the disc is Under The
>Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the
>album.  But then Why is it such a lame version?  Has anyone noticed the absence

Well, I think they definitely could've done some more studio work with it,
but hey..

Anyway, I wanted to post to say that they really didn't NEED to put ants on
the album, title withstanding..  Counting Crows cut 'August and Everything
After' (what would've been the "title track") from their cd because they
weren't happy with the way it sounded.. And I doubt either daveband or even
RCA would freak if there was a title referring to music only found on a
previous album..

Anwyay, I think the album as a whole is phenomenol, and beautiful to the ears
and mind.

I was reading that beast I wrote about a year ago in the minarets history,
vol 3 (I think) recently posted, and sometimes I wonder where my mind wanders
when posting.. that thing even confused me.

bbrreet
kingswell


Posted By: jtv2j@henson.cs.virginia.edu
Time/Date: 9:11 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: UTTAD ants, the mystery continues....

I guess I'm the only one on the net who thinks that the deuling banjos
part of Ants has become unoriginal and stale after a few years, and
who thought the UTTAD Ants was the best ants (Not counting cool
intros) ever. =)

John

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Posted By: Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
Time/Date: 9:21 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Blue Screen

The Blue Sceen tree is a great idea, and there is nothing wrong 
with it.  There are no laws restricting it either.  The only thing the 
law states is that it's against the law to make a profit off the 
band without their permission.  Nobody's making a profit off the band.  
(Unless there is something I don't know about?).  All we are doing is 
sharing our music with others.  *Sharing*.

Just wanted to put my two cents in.

Geebs.


Posted By: Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
Time/Date: 9:41 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: so. (fwd)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:48:23 -0500
From: Matthew Thompson <matt@arbutus.Stanford.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: so.


> >99.1 WHFS, Baltimore/DC DMB radio sighting....!!!
> >
> >Jimmything on the radio!  
> >
> >Just thought I would waste some bandwidth with this.  Tnx...
> >

> so.
> whfs is the closest thing radio has to mtv.  if they really care they
> should have been playing seek up since sep 93.
> 
> kudos to them for choosing jimithing over satellite or ants, though.

What is the problem with Satellite and Ants Marching? I know they're played 
more often than others, and if a radio station plays DMB they're more likely
to play those two than others, but I'm wondering, do you like the songs? do you
appreciate that they've been written, and written by a great song-writer, no
less? It's funny, 'cause it seems like lots of people in on bands like DMB or 
any band in the HORDE scene are kind of schizophrenic. On the one hand, they 
want the bands to themselves, but on the other hand they want the band to be
recognized by everyone, something they can't do if they want the band to 
themselves. I love being in on a band like DMB in the early years. It's
exciting and satisfying. But they're good. Some day they're going to be all
over the radio. And soon, radio stations are going to play songs that we were 
all in on in the early years, and we'll all be able to say "Gee, you know, they 
only play these two songs, I wish they would play some of the old stuff that in 
a very real way we help build."

*I* like the songs. I know this is a matter of opinion, and you're more than
welcome to yours. But why does everyone assume that all DMB listeners think 
these two songs should not be played?

Confused, somewhat,

Matt


In Minneapolis the radio stations have been playing DMB since the       
album came out.  Songs like, "What Would You Say", "Jimi Thing",  
"Satellite", and "The Best of What's Around".  And on 97.1 (you're        
all thinking, "what the f**k is 97.1"), they played the whole 
album, "UTTAD".  *Go Dave!*


Posted By: KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU
Time/Date: 9:51 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: ants marching under the table

  Just to add my two cents to this-- first, I agree with Rick's last ten
posts concerning this, except for one thing.  So, that is where I'm coming
from.  That one thing:  I don't think the UTTAD version of ants is actually
crap.  Now, I believe it's close, but not quite actual crap. I listened to it
about twenty times today, and I understand the crap argument -- but ONLY if
you have seen/heard dave's live shit, or are famaliar with the R2T version,
which I have/am.  The people who really love uttad-ants, _probably_ have only
heard this version.  Now there are people who confuse me (pak) because they
don't adhere to this thoery, but what can you say.  I am probably way off
base, but I understand why new dmb fans like the new version of ants.  I
cannot understand, however, andone who had heard r2t, that likes the uttad ver.
better -- that will probably never make sense to me.  Of course, this theory is
good to:
>Why put it on?  My answer: the title of the disc is Under The
>Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is
>on the album.  But then Why is it such a lame version?
  OK-- but (IMHO) i think it's more likely, that they (whoever *they* are) saw
some merit in this version -- like the fact that it has a lot of violin at the
end -- or some other arbitrary reason for this song to draw new fans to listen
to it.  The only reason I bring this up, is because over thanksgiving, pak and
I had 35 semi-drunk family members dancing to ants, and they all loved it, and
they all mentioned the violin, and not a single one of them had ever heard it
before.  One argument for that, is that none of them have any taste whatsoever,
but ants was not anyone's favourite song -- that shows a little taste.  So this
got me thinking -- what is their problem? -- Sooo... I listened to the song
twenty times.  Everybody, go do that now.  Back?  Did you notice, right before
you almost threw up, that there _is_ *something* catchy about it?  My problem
is that I don't know what it is.  Now, I've talked to 3 of my relatives since
then, and I tell them all to go get r2t, first.  If my theory holds true, they
should lose their fucking minds upon hearing the older version of ants.  We did
conclude, after all, they they do have some taste.

So what was the point, you ask?  ummm, oh yea-- uttad ants sucks -- but not
quite as bad as we think.

To me, it is the absence of the duelling banjos rift that _really_ makes it
less enjoyable.  But if you weren't aware there ever was a duelling banjos
rift, then......   hell, if you weren't aware that there was a previous version
abts, THEN.........    look-- someone posted earlier about how taping with
high-speed dubbing was like rubbing chalk, flat side down, on a thing.  This
is sort-of the same way -- there is something missing for sure -- almost like
the whole song isn't even there.  But, if you don't know what real chalk looks
like, then what the fuck are you gonna say about it?  I mean, if people dig it
then, cool, whatever.  Just sit and listen to satellite over and over and over
again, really really really loud.  Rick has one hell of a point about the
background sounds.

                                 keith


Posted By: Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
Time/Date: 10:09 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: UTTAD ants, the mystery continues.... (fwd)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 18:59:41 -0500
From: Jeff <JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: UTTAD ants, the mystery continues....

hello world,
	I just have a few thoughts about the presence of and quality of "Ants"
on UTTAD.  I'm not sure if this has been debated before my month and a half
amongst such good friends, but I know some people out there wonder why the hell
Dave put Ants on the disc.  Rick made a point about Satellite being a newly
sublime version which Dave obviously wanted to share with his audience, but we
can all see and hear that Ants as recorded on the cd is rather dangerously
close to crap.  Why put it on?  My answer: the title of the disc is Under The
Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the
album.  But then Why is it such a lame version?  Has anyone noticed the absence
of the familiar "Dueling Banjos" riff between Boyd and Leroi?  It's not there
and the voids are filled with several different fills that don't have the same
effect as what we were all used to hearing.  Now, why didn't they use the riff? 
Maybe in the big world of major label-land, copyrights prohibited the use of
that particular riff.  thusly, ants is heard without the duel and we have the
result which is akin to mooshy pasta sticking to the roof of my mouth.  What
does everyone think?  If I'm completely off base, let me know.
		don't forget to wash well between your toes!
			jeff
ps  let's all send Cha some positive mental energy to help him with all that
dubbing he's so generously doing with his DAVEMALTATIONS tape!  Thanks from us
all, man!


I don't think that the studio version of "Ants" sucks, and I don't think 
that the "dualing banjo thing" makes the song, but I do agree 
that it doesn't compare to the power of the live version.  Here's what I 
think about the different version.

The record label definitly had something to do with it.  Dave and the 
band know that "Ants" is a "live" song, and if it was their choice, I 
don't believe they would have put a version of it on their studio album.
The record label most likely strongly made them put it on because that 
was the big song off their "Remember Two Things" album and the label knew 
that "Ants" would boost the sales of "UTT&D" way up.  This whole "have to 
listen to what the record label says" thing is the reason why The Samples 
started their own record label, "WAR?".

The good thing about it is, the people that are just hearing DMB for 
their first time are saying to themselves, "This song must be killer live!"
So they check out a Dave show.   

So to all the listeners that are new to DMB, "Ants" is killer live.  But 
until you can see them live, stick with the album version, because it's 
great too.

Geebs.


Posted By: Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
Time/Date: 10:21 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: UTTAD ants, the mystery continues.... (fwd)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 18:59:41 -0500
From: Jeff <JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <minarets@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: UTTAD ants, the mystery continues....

>hello world,
>	I just have a few thoughts about the presence of and quality of "Ants"
>on UTTAD.  I'm not sure if this has been debated before my month and a half
>amongst such good friends, but I know some people out there wonder why 
>the hell
>Dave put Ants on the disc.  Rick made a point about Satellite being a newly
>sublime version which Dave obviously wanted to share with his audience, 
>but we
>can all see and hear that Ants as recorded on the cd is rather dangerously
>close to crap.  Why put it on?  My answer: the title of the disc is 
>Under The
>Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is 
>on the
>album.  But then Why is it such a lame version?  Has anyone noticed the 
>absence
>of the familiar "Dueling Banjos" riff between Boyd and Leroi?  It's not 
>there
>and the voids are filled with several different fills that don't have 
>the same
>effect as what we were all used to hearing.  Now, why didn't they use 
>the riff? 
>Maybe in the big world of major label-land, copyrights prohibited the use of
>that particular riff.  thusly, ants is heard without the duel and we 
>have the
>result which is akin to mooshy pasta sticking to the roof of my mouth.  What
>does everyone think?  If I'm completely off base, let me know.
>		don't forget to wash well between your toes!
>			jeff
>ps  let's all send Cha some positive mental energy to help him with all that
>dubbing he's so generously doing with his DAVEMALTATIONS tape!  Thanks 
>from us all, man!
>
>

Sorry to bother all, but I forgot to include something in my last statement.

They did not put "Ants" on the album because the title of the album comes 
from that song.  They could have easily taken the song "Ants" off the 
album, and called the album, "Satellite", or "Typical Situation".  I 
think they decided to put the song "Ants" on the album before they 
decided on "Under The Table And Dreaming" for the title of the album.

Bye. 

Geebs


Posted By: "Catherine E. Hobbs" <chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 10:29 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: Blue Screen

On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Thomas Shaffer wrote:

> 
> 
> The Blue Sceen tree is a great idea, and there is nothing wrong 
> with it.  There are no laws restricting it either.  The only thing the 
> law states is that it's against the law to make a profit off the 
> band without their permission.  Nobody's making a profit off the band.  
> (Unless there is something I don't know about?). > 
...
ahh  if i uderstand the language here .. im sorry but you are mistaken 
(inmany instances at least)
written right here on the bottom of the rusted root's "when i woke"  
(yeah yeah underline not quoteation marks)  is:
"manufactured and marketed by ... allrights reserved . unauthorized 
copying , reproduction, hiring, lending, and public performance and 
braodcasting prohibited."  

and to make sure this isnt a single incident of extra explicit copyright laws
peter gabriel's  SO  -- "... unauthorized duplication is a violation of 
applicapble laws" 
and how about this 
garcia/ grisman "warning:  unauthorized duplication is a violation of 
applicable laws" 


just look and your cds folks ... thats what it says , maybe im 
misinterpereting  but i get the clear feeling than YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO 
COPY THE FREAKING CDS without proper authorization 

now if thats the law ... yall feel free to judge whats a worthwhile gamble
with you and uncle sam

just cluein' in  and trying to help not criticize
catherine


Posted By: Benjamin Booth <benjamin@sccs.swarthmore.edu>
Time/Date: 10:35 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: DMB on the World Cafe

Hey my friends, I haven't seen any posts regarding the World Cafe segment 
which ran today on WXPN public radio.  I am in Philadelphia, where the 
show was recorded (probably in early October when DMB played on South 
Street) so perhaps I got to hear it before you.  Don't worry, I'm sure it 
will be playing on a station near you in the near future . . . 
	Anyways, there was a short interview-type thing at the 
beginning.  Dave, Boyd and Carter speak.  Nothing earth shattering was 
revealed.  Then, an in-the-studio mini-concert, acoustic style.  Setlist: 
What Would You Say (surprise, surprise : Dave suggests starting out with 
this one, "We've only played it 800 times"), sweet Pay for What You Get, 
Ants MArching, Cry Freedom (!!!).  The Cry Freedom at the end was very 
suprising in a good way for me.  The radio guy made sure to comment on 
how that song isn't on any album (yet)  Between songs, there is some 
great Dave-speak.  Great stuff.  RRrrrrr-rrrrr-urg!!  Stefan was 
difficult to hear.  It sounded as if Carter was just keeping the beat on 
one snare and a tom, or at least something pretty minimal.  Boyd sounded 
real good.  Leroi (my fav) sounded sorta hungover.  Probably too early in 
the morning for him.
	About the ongoing discussion of the various ANTS.  I have to say, 
I was someone who was thouroughly experienced with the R2T Ants and many 
versions of live Ants before hearing the UTTAD Ants.  And I have to say 
that I like the UTTAD Ants.  A lot.  I find the groove Stefan lays down 
much more satisfying that the one on R2T.  Of course, who wouldn't rather 
be seeing Ants in concert?  That goes without saying.  In fact, unlike 
many others it seems, Ants was not what got me into DMB.  I used to skip 
to track 6 everytime I played R2T for a long time.  Ants actually annoyed 
me.  Especially on R2T, which is a weak version.  I couldn't understand 
the long intro.  Just my opinions . . .

Ben


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Posted By: Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
Time/Date: 10:52 PM Friday, December 2, 1994
Subject: Re: Blue Screen

On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Catherine E. Hobbs wrote:

> 
> 
> On Fri, 2 Dec 1994, Thomas Shaffer wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > The Blue Sceen tree is a great idea, and there is nothing wrong 
> > with it.  There are no laws restricting it either.  The only thing the 
> > law states is that it's against the law to make a profit off the 
> > band without their permission.  Nobody's making a profit off the band.  
> > (Unless there is something I don't know about?). > 
> ...
> ahh  if i uderstand the language here .. im sorry but you are mistaken 
> (inmany instances at least)
> written right here on the bottom of the rusted root's "when i woke"  
> (yeah yeah underline not quoteation marks)  is:
> "manufactured and marketed by ... allrights reserved . unauthorized 
> copying , reproduction, hiring, lending, and public performance and 
> braodcasting prohibited."  
> 
> and to make sure this isnt a single incident of extra explicit copyright laws
> peter gabriel's  SO  -- "... unauthorized duplication is a violation of 
> applicapble laws" 
> and how about this 
> garcia/ grisman "warning:  unauthorized duplication is a violation of 
> applicable laws" 
> 
> 
> just look and your cds folks ... thats what it says , maybe im 
> misinterpereting  but i get the clear feeling than YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO 
> COPY THE FREAKING CDS without proper authorization 
> 
> now if thats the law ... yall feel free to judge whats a worthwhile gamble
> with you and uncle sam
> 
> just cluein' in  and trying to help not criticize
> catherine
> 

Sorry.  I forgot about the songs that were from CD's.  Your right that is 
illegal.  But I also don't think the "Copyright Police" are going to come 
to your home and arrest you.  I guess it's moral judgement.

Geebs


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 12:00 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Re: UTTAD ants, the mystery continues....

Jeff <JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU> says:

>can all see and hear that Ants as recorded on the cd is rather dangerously
>close to crap.  Why put it on?  My answer: the title of the disc is Under
The
>Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on
the
>album.  But then Why is it such a lame version?  Has anyone noticed the
absence


Er, I don't really see that as a pressing concern on Dave's mind.  In my
mind, the song is on the CD because of the green things with numbers on them.
 The song is just damn catchy.  The song makes 12 year old girls scream.  The
song causes an uproar from frathouse drunks (hee hee i'm waiting for the
flames).

Of course, the CD version of the song especially, absolutely sucks.

If someone likes the song, that is up to them, but I think just about ALL of
us would agree that something happened on the way to the record store...
Generally I think the entire album lacks the same emotion that live shows and
even R2T has, but Ants especially just sounds so fucking WEIRD.  The entire
sound is muddled, the lack of any intro sucks, and that half-chorus makes me
sick.

IMHO, if the CD version of the song was as catchy as it can be, it would be
the first single, and it would be the single that made DMB a household name.

Yowza.


Love & flames directed directly to me.

Ben...

just another memo from the cellar,

    ************************************************************************
   *      "Be in love with yr life...           * --   Ben Sterling  --   *
  *        Be crazy dumbsaint of the mind"     * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
 *                 -Jack Kerouac              *  --   New York, NY  --  *
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Posted By: ChadDK@aol.com
Time/Date: 12:34 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: okay - LET's TRADE!!!!!

here's the deal :

i have an absolutely killer 1st generation tape of the IRVING PLAZA,
NYC show from 7/28/94. the tape i got was recorded off a sound board
digitally onto a DAT. the quality is excellent and the show is awesome!
so email me only if you have some very good quality shows and you'd like to
trade!

bye for now,
chad

chaddk@aol.com

p.s. i'm listening to DMB on world cafe right now. can someone tell me why
the hell they opened with WHAT WOULD YOU SAY. i don't know about the rest of
you or if this has been discussed before - but i think it has to be their
cheesiest song by far!!!
well - now they are playing PAY FOR WHAT YOU GET... much
better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hasta la pasta...


Posted By: pak <JNICHOL1@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
Time/Date: 1:17 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: ants discussion

okay, i believe the UTTAD version of ants marching is brilliant...of course the
R2T version is better, but because it is performed *live* and dmb excel in that
department...i'm that guy keith mentioned in the last post and yes there were a
about 35 drunk people grooving to UTTAD "Ants"...this is not because they were
drunk...hell, i had my entire floor in the place i live come over to my suite
to hear UTTAD for the first time and they weren't drunk...they just love good
music, and it so happens that dmb is *good* music...'k?...i am sure that many
out there agree with me...to change the subject, thank you for those turning in
dmb encounter stories to me (dominic, wheeee!)...my address is
jnichol1@ua1vm.ua.edu and for those who don't know about it, i would like to
receive stories (preferably true ones, okay?) of encounters you had with any
dmb members...i don't care how long it is, or how farfetched it is...thank you
for your time...

                                              shedding smokestacks and smiling,
                                                              pak
"if you can't take a joke, then FUCK YOU..."
                      -- Thomas Harvard, Thanksgiving 1994


Posted By: CJACOBS@smith.smith.edu
Time/Date: 2:25 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: blah blah blah OR copyrighting laws

i think we should all take a hint from guitar diva ani difranco regarding
copyrighting, dubbing, and all that shit:
"unathorized duplication, while sometimes necessary, is never as good as the
real thing."
they know it goes on.  and no one's gonna get killed.  so tape all you want.
they'll make more.  or something like that.

a newer subscriber,
carly
cjacobs@smith.smith.edu


Posted By: msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu
Time/Date: 2:50 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: copyright stuff

Hello all
	I just read how someone said that it isn't illegal unless you 
make a profit.  That's with bagby's.  ASCAP and BMI make it there busness 
to make sure copyright infringement doesn't happen (look on the albums 
you'll see them in the copyrights).  I know of a store in the DC area 
that has a court case with ASCAP right now where the owner was fined 
because he plays CD's in his store.  He isn't a music store and is 
makeing no profit but he is broadcasting it in a public format.  When a 
radio sation plays a song they pay ASCAP or BMI a certain amount of money 
hell places that own jukeboxes pay ASCAP and BMI for everytime a song is 
played.  Copyright's are very touchy.  But as with computer software 
people copy it all the time i don't think people are going to make a real 
big deal out of it and if they do Blue Screen will be the one's in 
trouble (not to throw the blame of blue screen just to straighten it 
out).  For The bands though.  The GSW song is of Bag this is a self 
produced album and the money goes to the band.  One song off the album i 
don't think is going to be a problem but i know my freinds who's band is 
finnally releaseing their first CD on Grass Records refused to copy the 
album for freind's because if ou buy the album from a store the store 
will buy more albums and the band will make more money and do better.  
I'm not sure why i included all of this just felt like shareing what i've 
been told buy my freind in his dealings with the music world from the 
bands side (and haveing a label doesn't mean shit buy the way my freinds 
CD got bumped backk at the printing plant buy Maireh carry's christmas 
album and it's already a month over due it all comes down to money)  cya all

matt

PS sorry but i got to throw this in.  If you like Indie Rock look for My 
Life In Rain's CD sometime before May (my freind's band) a band even Ian 
McKaye likes (or so he told the woman who signed them to grass).  they 
have a 7" out now on 50% records $3 if you want let me know.  Sorry i had 
to say that I got an advance copy of the CD and it's cool and i want 
these guys to doo well they deserve it.


Posted By: Thomas Shaffer <tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu>
Time/Date: 3:54 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Virus Warning

**Warning**
^^^^^^^^^^^
If you recieve a message with the subject, "Good Times", *do not* read 
it!  Delete it right when you see it!  

"Good Times" is a virus that is going around that will down-load your 
whole system.  Your system will crash!  This will erase all messages and 
addresses you have saved within you e-mail system. 

If anybody has more info on this virus, please contact me.

Sorry this had nothing to do DMB.
                                                                             
Geebs.

I----------I
I Hi Bill! I
I----------I


Posted By: msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu
Time/Date: 4:07 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Virus Warning (fwd)

apologies to the people on minarets but this alias was already set up so 
i'm useing it.  if this has been posted to the other nets sorry but 
thought it might be best to spread it far and wide

matt

Forwarded message:
> From minarets@moose.uvm.edu Sat Dec  3 04:00:32 1994
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 03:58:16 -0500
> Reply-To: tshaffer@camelot.bradley.edu
> Subject: Virus Warning
> 
> 
> **Warning**
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> If you recieve a message with the subject, "Good Times", *do not* read 
> it!  Delete it right when you see it!  
> 
> "Good Times" is a virus that is going around that will down-load your 
> whole system.  Your system will crash!  This will erase all messages and 
> addresses you have saved within you e-mail system. 
> 
> If anybody has more info on this virus, please contact me.
> 
> Sorry this had nothing to do DMB.
>                                                                              
> Geebs.
> 
> I----------I
> I Hi Bill! I
> I----------I
> 
> 


Posted By: NO REASON NO TIME AND AN EXCELLENT VIEW <DSCHMITT@utkvx.utk.edu>
Time/Date: 5:00 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: sorry i don't feel like retyping this

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From: NO REASON NO TIME AND AN EXCELLENT VIEW <DSCHMITT@utkvx.utk.edu>
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In my oh so very humble opinion Ants on UTTAD is a good "alternate" version
of the Ants on R2T. When I first heard about the new album (UTTAD) I was
disappointed that there were some repeats from the previous albums, but I
think that the band approached the 4 previously recorded songs with
sufficient originality thet they justified the re-recording of those songs   
(Sattelite, Ants, Nancies, Warehouse). While no studio version of any
DAMABA song could ever compare to a live performance, Ants on UTTAD has
good qualities which I would be happy to point out (when I'm sober).
    And as far as this blue screen thing goes the copyright was always
interpreted by me as illegal only "for profit". Otherwise I would shit my
pants every time I copied a CD so I could listen to it on my car's tape
deck. 
    By the way I'm one of those drunk frat boys and all I have to say is if
they were assholes before the frats they'll always be assholes. The frats
just make it easier to recognize the particularly annoying assholes(they
congregate more readily than the rest). Which hopefully I am not.
And I hope all of you who were making such a big deal about labeling DAMABA
fans (grannies, jimmies) aren't  using such terms as "frat boys" Otherwise
I might have to label you as a hypocrite, and then we'd both feel like
dumbasses (one label that I use freely without regret) Not angry, just
making a valid point,     Doug 

--Boundary (ID ssWI/wnUoLwHm/dSQn3BZg)--


Posted By: malachi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jeffrey Andrew Heys)
Time/Date: 7:16 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: DMB/Phish in Davis, CA

        I just got back from seeing DMB open for Phish (w/ the GIANT
COUNTRY HORNS), and it was a GREAT show, especially for Phish.  I guess I'm
a little spoiled because I saw Dave headline last night in a club for $5,
and tonight's set was pretty typical and very big comparitively.  I walked
in right at the end of the first song, just in time to hear the last few
chords, and it sounded like #36, plus Ants followed.  Also, I don't know
all the names of Phish's 2nd set songs, but I'll give it a try:

DMB
---
#36?
Ants Marching
Dancing Nancies
Warehouse
Satellite
Jimi Thing
Tripping Billies

PHISH
-----
SET I

Poor Heart
2001
Sparkle
We've got a ____ in the band
It's Ice
Lizards
Col. Forbin's Ascent (maybe)
Stash
Squirming Coil
SOLO BY PAGE! (continuation of Squirming Coil)

SET II

Can this wait 'til I'm old, Can I live while I'm young?
David Bowie

W/ GIANT COUNTRY HORNS

LONG Jam (maybe 20 min, continuation of David Bowie?)
Don't Take Another Step (Don't Blame It on Yourself)
something off Junta (I couldn't remember the name)
Sausage or maybe Gumbo?
No Idea
Suzy Greenberg

ENCORE

Cavern

BTW, if anyone can correct me on song names, please do!

Unfortunately, none of the DMB came out to jam with Phish (maybe tomorrow
night!), but they played a really clean, power-packed set.  Everyone there
seemed quite unexpectedly impressed.  Again, the band seemed to be in high
spirits, especially Dave, but no Davespeak tonight.

Phish really impressed me tonight, because I had kind of gotten sick of
their silliness.  At the end of the first set, kind of during Squirming
Coil, if I remember correctly, everyone but Page left the stage and he
performed the most beautiful piano solo I have ever heard (might have been
10 min. or longer).  The audience was completely awed.  Other than this and
the power of the GCH, highlights for me were 2001, Lizards, Don't Take
Another Step, and Cavern.

Especially because of Page's solo, I feel obligated to share the copy of
this show once I get it.  I will trade it for extremely HIGH QUALITY (as it
will be) DMB, WSP, Phish, ARU, Allgood, ABB, BluesT or GSW (in order of
preference) to the first five people that respond.  Please be honest about
the quality of shows and make the subject of the message PAGE.

                        M A L A C H I


        M A L A C H I


Posted By: "ALAN E. HALE Sr." <73261.1133@compuserve.com>
Time/Date: 7:48 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: extra ticket for new years?

While getting geared up for DMB's trek up the east coast, I mistakenly 
ordered two
tickets for the new years show in Richmond,but I really needed three. By 
the time I
tried to correct my mistake,the show was sold out. My girlfriend is really 
gonna be 
pissed at me. Can anyone out there help me?  Willing to negotiate on the 
price,
Thanks, Alan Hale


Posted By: Matt Bruno <Matthew.S.Bruno@williams.edu>
Time/Date: 11:52 AM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: My holiday trade offer.

Ok folks, here it is.
  Since it is the holidays and all, I wanted to make an offer.  I have 
acquired some pretty good stuff since I joined this net, and I would like 
to make some trades now.  The first three people to respond to this ad 
with interesting trade offers can pick from some of my most recent.

Sweetbriar College 2/25/94  I&II 2x90min        
Seek up
Song that jane likes
Satellite
Lie in our graves
dancing nancies
no. 36
true reflections

pay for what you get
so much to say
exodus
jimmy thing
what would you say
recently
minarets
typical 
ants

W&L Pavillion 2/6/93 1x90min
satellite
granny
lie in our graves
help myself
the maker
ants
warehouse
minarets
blue water
halloween
so much to say
twin reflections
recently

Richmond Marriott 12/31/93 I&IIcut 1x90min
Satellite
Song that Jane likes
One sweet world
tripping billies
granny
lie in our graves
no 36
what would you say
II
ants
dancing nancies
minarets
jimmy thing
seek up (cut)

Gerald Ford Amphitheater Vail CO 8/28/94 1x100min
Intro
one sweet world
tripping billies
two step
satellite
jimi thing
say goodbye
dancing nancies
warehouse
song that jane likes
watchtower
pay for what you get
recently
rhyme&reason
ants


Ok, there it .  first three to respond w/ attractive trades can pick.  
Sorry about being exclusive, but I have finals to contend with next week.
          Matt


Posted By: Geoffrey Balleisen <gjb@ccnet.com>
Time/Date: 1:10 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Davis Opener for Phish

12/2/94 UC Davis Rec Hall

# 36
Ants Marching
Dancing Nancies
Warehouse
Satellite
Jimi Thing
Tripping Billies

A very nice first experience to Dave.  I'm really impressed by how much 
better they seem to rock than on tape.  More from San Jose, tonight!!!

Geoff Balleisen				"Five pounds,
	gjb@ccnet.com				six pounds,
		gjballeisen@ucdavis.edu			seven pounds"


Posted By: i am a goddess not your mother <CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu>
Time/Date: 1:52 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Re: sorry i don't feel like retyping this

On Sat, 3 Dec 1994, NO REASON NO TIME AND AN EXCELLENT VIEW wrote:

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> In my oh so very humble opinion Ants on UTTAD is a good "alternate" version
> of the Ants on R2T. When I first heard about the new album (UTTAD) I was
> disappointed that there were some repeats from the previous albums, but I
> think that the band approached the 4 previously recorded songs with
> sufficient originality thet they justified the re-recording of those songs   
> (Sattelite, Ants, Nancies, Warehouse). While no studio version of any
> DAMABA song could ever compare to a live performance, Ants on UTTAD has
> good qualities which I would be happy to point out (when I'm sober).
>     And as far as this blue screen thing goes the copyright was always
Z[c\K> interpreted by me as illegal only "for profit". Otherwise I would 
shit my
> pants every time I copied a CD so I could listen to it on my car's tape
> deck. 
>     By the way I'm one of those drunk frat boys and all I have to say is if
> they were assholes before the frats they'll always be assholes. The frats
> just make it easier to recognize the particularly annoying assholes(they
> congregate more readily than the rest). Which hopefully I am not.
> And I hope all of you who were making such a big deal about labeling DAMABA
> fans (grannies, jimmies) aren't  using such terms as "frat boys" Otherwise
> I might have to label you as a hypocrite, and then we'd both feel like
> dumbasses (one label that I use freely without regret) Not angry, just
> making a valid point,     Doug 
> 
> --Boundary (ID ssWI/wnUoLwHm/dSQn3BZg)--
> 


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   to kick the last nail in yeah i like you in that like i like you to scream 
 but if you open your mouth then i can't be responsible for quite what goes in 
      +zQCY{]                or to care what comes out......' 

                 cecliff@vt.edu / cliffordc@urvax.urich.edu
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Posted By: CONJURAEM@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 2:22 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Valentines Day Show

	Well I was able to get my tickets this morning for the Love Day
low low price of $97.50

yikes...am I the only one that had no idea that they would cost this
much....I understand it is for a benefit....so I'll grin and bear it
and enjoy my seats....they are row B in Loge...

I live in richmond and have no idea what these are like...the lady
said that they were good.  We'll just have to see. 

So is this show gonna be like "lets all get dressed up and frolic with
dave and the richmond symphony"  I think it'll be fun and its worth the
money....I HOPE!

tootles to you all
Hey Dude, give me a call
things with the spontaneous one didn't pan out...:(

bye bye
em


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Posted By: uberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 2:29 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: 2-14-95, carpenter center ticket info

so, how many people are thinking of going to the carpenter center (as in
the band's performance with richmond symphony)?

here's a few things to know:

i tried the bama rags line (1-800-594-tixx) and got an answering machine
(with people screaming really funny things in the background of a women
trying to seriously tell me what i need to do:), so i went the old ticket
bastard route.  i got shut out of nye, so i'm not going to miss out on
this.  the number there is (804) 671-8100.

there's three price ranges due to the nature of the carpenter center (where
the richmond symphony usually plays anyway.  i hear this place is about on
par with the fox in atlanta.)  the best seats are $45, and when i bought
mine an hour ago, i got third row, so tickets are selling slowly, but
i'd say very steadily.
the other two prices are $29.50 and $22.50.  i don't know where this will
put you, nor do i know how fast these cheaper tix are selling.

my service charge was $3.25 (grrr.) and they popped in another "processing
fee" of $1 just for placing the order.  (double grrrr.)

at any rate, the good seats are far from sold out at this point, but don't
waste any time.  i thought i'd have until at least mid-dec to get nye tix.
(so i'll go see shannon worrell, instead:)

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
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                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: uberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 2:49 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: snorky.

ants. 
red and black antennae waving.  they all  do it the same.....they  all
do it the same......waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy.


do you think that as dave sings that these days, he's laughing at his
audience, and feels that because he has such a teeny-bopper audience
in certain ways that this song is more appropriate than ever?

but aside from that, let me see if i can justify my humble opinions on
why the uttad ants marching sux.  but let me qualify that by saying that
1)i do like the song 2)r2t is worse.

ok.  where do we start.  (hmmmmm.....where will i finish.....)
when i posted that i somehow managed to find not only a redeeming value
for uttad satelite but also found out that i _like_ it, it was the product
of listening to uttad the night before in an effort to be as critical, but
at the same time, as open minded as i could be about the album.  i found 
out several things: everything but satelite, ants, lover, and #34 were as
great as fucking ever.  but i decided these four songs held things that
i'd never seen before:satelite turned out to be great, ants still sux, lover
turned out to be my 2nd least fav tune on the disc (sorry clare:) and
#34 turned out to be absolutely incredible.  i've talked about #34 and
satelite, so now i'll talk about ants and lover.

the reason i find the ants on uttad so annoying is that it's so damn hallow.
compare it to any live ants you have (on tape) and listen to the certain fills
that leroi and boyd do, well beyond the tired dueline violin/sopranosax thingy.
they just really filled up your ears with music that sounded right.  they
took it all out on uttad and so it sounds like an empty scaffold of the song,
with part of the scaffold falling apart between the first and second verse
where dave decided to add a new chorus.  it's obvious that my argument is
built upon knowing intimately what the song sounds like live, and having known
this since early 1992.  i simply like it better.  but at the same time,
i like uttad more than r2t because on r2t it's just simply weak.  the whole
song is there, but it sounds processed, reprocessed, and pretty much if
i try to picture the song as an image in my head (something i'm fond of
doing with anything) it looks very faded and, well, tired.

but at the same time, every time i see the song live, i say something about
how sick we all are of it, but i don't go and get a beer, or go to the
bathroom.  i stay right there with my deck or my friends or myself, dancing
and singing to it like it's only the third time i've ever heard it.  and
then sometimes that song actually carries me away.  if you ever have a chance
to hear ants on 2-22-94, it will kick your ass.  not only because carter
rips the most intense drum jam which brings in boyd and leroi, but because
dave was feeling so good about playing it.  before it started, he said
"you know, it's fucking great to be back" in front of a c-ville audience
he hadn't seen since 11-16-93.  it's a good tune.

what i think the problem is on both uttad and r2t is that he was trying to
hard.  they played it too slow for r2t, and then just sat there and played
the most standard version of it they possibly could because they were
afraid of screwing up (i suppose), and then on uttad they simply decided
to rewrite the song.  what i'd like to know, though, is for those of you
who heard the song for the first time on uttad and have know heard it
live (a contigency of people that is probably very small at this point),
how do you think they compare.  i'd like to know how the live version 
fits into the ears of a person who is used to uttad. 

why don't i like lover?  everytime i try to enjoy where the song is taking
me, leroi appears.  not that leroi is bad or anything, but it sounds
very "added."  like they finished mixing the song and said "oh, we don't
have enough leroi in here" and then just played the song and let him
more or less goof off.  i know there a plenty who will disagree with this,
but to me, by the time we get to where leroi takes his normal solo, i'm
getting tired of hearing him in there.  but to me, that is the one song
that lost the most when they took away keyboards from it, and i've never
been able to appreciate quite as much as the version from 11-17-92.

sorry to be so winded.  but i have a saturday afternoon to kill.  thanx
for listening.  to those who managed to get in on my tape offer, i'll
be in touch soon, probably tomorrow.
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
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                                  \             rick thompson
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                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: MC ELVAIN TYSON KEVIN <mcelvain@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Time/Date: 2:54 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Catchy Songs

Hi all;
	I just wanted to share my two tidbits about Ants and some other 
popular tunes.  It seem that every band has one or two songs that are 
their trademarks.  Dave has Ants and Sattelite, Blues Traveler has But 
Anyway, and Big Head Todd and the Monsters have Bittersweet.  These are 
generally very catchy tunes that do a good job of showcasing the band's 
style.  These are also the songs that stick in peoples mind and motivate 
them to go check out the band.  That is good.
	It also seems that when people really get into the bands, listen 
to them all the time, go to their shows, and collect their tapes, they 
start to despise these songs.  I am sure that part of the reason is that 
they just get sick of them, which is understandable, but I think a little 
unwarranted.
	My point is - they are all GREAT songs (with the exception of 
bittersweet, which is one of the most annoying songs ever unless it is 
live) and are fun to listen to.  In fact they are often the highlight of 
the show because pretty much EVERYONE in the crowd knows and likes them, 
therefore gets excited and starts to groove.  I can't say that I would 
dislike any song in concert that gets the crowd going and the band feeds 
off that and gets into it too.  
	Lets go a little easier on these tunes that bring more pals into 
our little circle.

				-TY


Posted By: uberschallgeschwindigkeitsflugzeug <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 2:57 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: a hurricane of thoughts. jungle jim/gungle gym...is there a conspiracy

>
>	Well I was able to get my tickets this morning for the Love Day
>low low price of $97.50
>
>yikes...am I the only one that had no idea that they would cost this
>much....I understand it is for a benefit....so I'll grin and bear it
>and enjoy my seats....they are row B in Loge...

well, look at it this way, everyone:  $20 for dave band, $20 for richmond
symphony orchestra and $5 because the carpenter center said "hey, we want
some, too."

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
and where is the "jungle" in a    \             rick thompson
jungle gym, anyway.......          \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: sctm@vt.edu (Scott Miller)
Time/Date: 3:02 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Before you order Valentines Day tickets!

Rick is absolutely right about the Ticket Master rip off.  But you might 
want to consider the cheaper tickets.  The Carpenter Center is very big,  
and the acoustics are great throughout the building.  I have seen a few 
things ther and the balcony isn't that bad.  But if you have money to burn 
go for it!  I just wanted to let everyone know that you won't be 
disappointed if you buy the cheaper tickets.  This is going to be hell 
trying to get down tio Richmond on a Tuesday from way up here Blacksburg VA. 
 I figure I'll just have to skip all my classes that day.  So if anybody is 
interested in getting together before the show and grabbing some dinner at 
some place down there lets do it!  3rd Street Diner,  Strawberry Street,  
The Village,  or maybe Joe's Inn?  I would really love to meet some people!  
At Lexington I was too 'busy'  to try and find everyone.  Take it easy everyone!
Scott Miller-
Virginia Tech
529 Shanks Hall
Blacksburg,  VA 24060
sctm@vt.edu
"Turns out not where,  but who you're with that really matters!"
     - Dave Matthews


Posted By: "your head is a shovel-- use it." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 3:23 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: and yet more on copyright infringement....

one of the things i like about the book ecotopia is that it creates 
a world where music is music, and credit and who wrote it and who
played it and how many people should be listening to it aren't that
important.

that would be cool.  you can't get famous, but then again, you can't
get psychotic people stalking you (and sometime killing you) and you
can't get large contingencies of people accusing you of selling out.


anyway, about he copyright thing, i agree with the statement tape all
you want, they'll make more.  (uh-oh, is that a trademark violation?:)
but i also think that the blue screen situation is just a good way
of getting the music spread around.  sort of like being turned on to
shannon worrell or the empty's via the aware II cd (granted, nandacket
records or whatever has permission).

(aside:  you know, it's weird being undigestified.  i keep getting mail
from myself.  :)

if chico came on the air one week and decided "hey, there's this great
new cd from one of the bands i highligh called 1.99 romances, and it's
by god street wine.  i think it's such a great piece of work that i'm
going to highlight it for you this week" and then plays the whole thing,
and _then_ trees that show, he's up shit's creek.  but i think mixing
in one song among many others, and then spreading that around he has
nothing to worry about.  your copyright statements are more of a protection
scheme to protect themselves from loopholes than anything else.  
occasionally the fbi gets a little rambunxious and throws someone in
jail, but i would sooner worry about winning the lottery.

(so ben, am i going overboard?)

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
                                  \             rick thompson
                                   \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: "your head is a shovel-- use it." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 3:31 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: "ticket master rip off" would make a great name for a band in another country....

>some place down there lets do it!  3rd Street Diner,  Strawberry Street,  
>The Village,  or maybe Joe's Inn?  I would really love to meet some people!  
>At Lexington I was too 'busy'  to try and find everyone.  Take it easy everyone!

i think that this particular show is the greatest one ever concieved for
a dave.net gathering (partly because it can draw all of us appalachiites
who made him famous together:).  personally, i think we should get
in touch with 3rd street and reserve their balcony from, say 5-7. and
let whoever wants to join in, join in.  there's room for at least 40-50
people up there, and if i'm not mistaken, they advertise for the sake of
reserving that space for large groups.  3rd street has _great_ food,
_great_ coffee (this is the place that taught me that some coffee is better
than others--hi clare:)

but this is 3 months away.

something weird:  there's a guy crashed in here.  i'm talking about a
public computer lab at james madison university, and this guy is 
sprawled out across three chairs, snoozin' hard, waiting for a program
to run.  weird.  i'm glad none of my classes requires the use of these
labs....:)

ps-jeff, have you ever been there?

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
  to possess...plain common sense."  \        dave matthews band 
        --immanuel kant               \      lyrics extraordinaire
__________________________________     \_________________________________
maybe i should redigestify.  i'm  \             rick thompson
posting way to fucking much....:)  \    <stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu>
                                    \____________________________________


Posted By: PARISIGRE@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 4:08 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: V-day, Ants, etc....

	Well, I also just purchased tix for the symphony show, in hopes of
being blown away by what can only be an amazing version of Minarets.  Anyway,
buying directly from Ticketbastard cash only outlets saves the $1 "processing
charge" (that's Regency Mall among other places for Richmonders).  A word about
the Carpenter Center for those interested:

	It is a relatively small place so all seats are good.  The Loge seats 
($49.50 I believe) are the best in the house. They are the first balcony which 
hangs over about half of the floor seats and affords a very close view plus the
"overhead" angle, which is good.  The front floor seats (49.50 as well) are
also really good, by virtue of their closeness.  The $29.50 seats (which I
opted for) are the back half of the floor seats and the front of the second 
balcony.  IMHO, the price makes these seats the best value, unless you have
the cash or really want to impress someone.  Finally, the 22.50 seats are the
far back balcony, which are still decent but it is worth the seven dollars to 
get the better tix.  The biggest detraction with this show is that the price andseating means that friends buying tickets at different times will not see each 
other for the entire show.  Much more condusive to having a date though.

And on Ants:  I agree with the person who said the dueling banjos riff was 
growing old.  I'm glad they altered it, as they often do from night to night
in their shows.  Also, as far as marketing goes, I'm sure Dave and RCA (mostly
RCA) were conscious of the image projected by riffs and instruments and it 
may be that the dueling banjos was too far into the realm of country music. 
Although with such a variety of sounds already I don't see why that would 
matter.  I don't know, but many music fans are touchy about the country sound
and perhaps that is even why there is less Boyd in general on the album.  

I like Ants on UTTAD though- to me it was always Steffan's bass line that 
defined the song and that is still intact.  

Also, add my name to the NYE list, whoever is doing that.  BTW, rooms at the 
Marriot are booked but the Raddison is just a few blocks away if people 
really need a place to crash.  Don't have the number on me.

Greg Parisi
<parisigre@urvax.urich.edu>


Posted By: CONJURAEM@urvax.urich.edu
Time/Date: 4:09 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Love is in the air.....

	Well I've already posted once today about the Valentines Day
show, and so have a couple of you.....The question I have, and mentioned
briefly in my last post was that do you think that this show at the
symphony would go well with a somewhat more dressy theme.

	I as well agree that we should all meet at 3rd street.  Hey Clare,
you bring the smokes, I'll bring the quaters (do you think they'll ever
put a Dave Matthews disk in 3rd Streets Jute Box?)  Any how, would anyone
else agree that getting a little dressed up for this event might be fun.
I mean it will be Valentines Day, and if I can russle up a date for my
other ticket, then going all fancy might be fun.

	Like Rick mentioned, this is all way in advance planning, but
I am currently enjoying the calm before the storm, as far as studying
and exams go....so I am sitting here logged on as well watching messages
from myself pop up.  I guess my complaining about high ticket prices
could have been avoided if I had just asked the lady from Ticket*asterd
if there were any cheaper seats.  But I think that this is a once in a 
life time thing that all should travel and come see.....

Catch ya later,
em


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Posted By: Meighan Webber <mwebber@moose.uvm.edu>
Time/Date: 4:14 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Carter Babble...

Ok. all responces welcome.
What does Carter say,sing,whatever in the live intro to minarets before 
Dave goes 'yeah yeah yeah...'?  Ive no clue
kind of like this little rap thingy?

dave


Posted By: Chardy McEwan <mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu>
Time/Date: 4:16 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Penquins on the moon.

hey all.

 We all seem to have little bugs on our mind so i'll say something,2.
the long intro to Ants on R2T's has some significance to the
audience if not a downright power play by Carter.

when DMB started attracting larger and larger and larger still
crowds, they were jammin' cause people started to sing the words and
know the songs like they were a bedtime story of old. so Dave
realized that people were catching on to song intro's and such and
could see how psyched people would get when a certain song would
begin. certainly i have jumped up and down when the subtle intro to
Seek Up would start. that song used to put me on the moon with my
little Penguin friends and a bottle of Boones farm. sooooo....

heres what i'm trying to say......

We started catching on to the intro of ANTS when they used to throw
that song around in their setlists. they would play a song,then jam,
then Carter would go "tok,tok,tok,tok..." and the audience knew what
was coming. the march of the Ants. the march of us. we could'nt wait
to stomp our feet like a hillbilly hoedown in Boyd's solo, clanking beer
bottles or whatever else you could get yo' hands on. i usually beat
on my chest like Tarzan. it was a community groove. like a big drunk
drumcircle minus the drums('cept Carter's of course). a few shows
went like this...Recently>>>Sweet Home Alabama>>>Ants. fun..fun..fun.
.....then Ants came to stand on its own once again......sooooo...
just the intro to Ants became important in psyching the crowd.....

so after all that babbling from the attic, this is what i'm trying
to get across:

   How many drummers can get 800 people screaming and waving they're
arms at the sound of one simple snare drum beat?

 "tok,tok,tok..." >>>>>>> "ahhhhyeeeeehooooooooooo....paaarrrrtttee!!"

not many......
   ....so about the time Remember Two Things came out people had
been looking for DMB to release something for over a year. and the
simple 30 second drum beat at the beginning of the CD was a call to
arms and saying to the audience "yes,yes,yes here we are on our
very own album, so get ready to jam with us in your living room." 
it was sorda like Carter was talking to us using his other voice. 
and it was so simple but it definitely meant something. 

so there's my humble interpretation. i still stomp my feet.....


                   supporter of the Save the Weiner Dog Foundation,

                                 CHA * *
                                     \_/


Posted By: NebuIous@aol.com
Time/Date: 4:29 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Re: snorky.

Rick "Sex God Who Doesn't Understand Me" Thompson says:

>the reason i find the ants on uttad so annoying is that it's so damn hallow.

Exactly.  It just sounds like crap.  In the intro you can tell how odd the
violin and sax 'thing' (anyone have a better word for the
'buh..buhbuhbuh...buhbuhbuh...' deal?) sounds.  I have only listened to that
part of the song once with headphones, but I think it's possible that either
Leroi isn't playing in that part at ALL and it's all violin, or another
reason which I won't get into on the net since people will either not
understand it or won't care.

>song is there, but it sounds processed, reprocessed, and pretty much if
>i try to picture the song as an image in my head (something i'm fond of
>doing with anything) it looks very faded and, well, tired.

Though I haven't been able to fully enjoy the damn song for months now (in
any form...live...album...live album...), I don't think this is necessarily
true.  The band COULD have made the song stand out.  I think somewhere the
song just got fucked up.  It was partly the fault of the band, but I think
it's possible that Mr. Big Shot Producer Who Has Worked With Lots of Big Time
Bands (steve lillywhite) never heard the song live enough to notice the
things that make, as I've stated before, 12 year old girls scream a la
Beatles on Sullivan.

>and singing to it like it's only the third time i've ever heard it.  and
>then sometimes that song actually carries me away.  if you ever have a
chance

This is definately true.  But by now the song is such a standard song that
there is no emotion left in it at all.  The only emotion I see is the energy
that the crowd, at least most of it, infuses into the band while they play
the song since so many people love it.

Oh, and the CD Lover isn't THAT bad.  It's no 11/17, but it's okay...


cut cut cut cut
benji

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Posted By: Dominic Sagolla <dominic@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu> (AnyoneOtherThanMe)
Time/Date: 5:52 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Ants on UTTAD

let me just say that i am one of those dated kooks who got hooked on DMB by
Ants on R2T.    i thought it was SO ballsy to to that huge Carter intro,
and i was psyched to hear Ants on UTTAD.   and

only three hits to start it off!

the song continued to surprise me throughout, and i think Boyd and Leroi
have really outdone the dueling banjos riffs with their solos and backup.


so much so, that i am using the UTTAD Ants to do an a capella version of
the song.    can i just say, this is one of the hardest things my group
(Sixteen Feet) has ever tried.    i've had to dip into the 1/29/94 Tim and
Dave Wetlands show and the TRAX ??/??/92 show with Peter to round it out,
but that song is SO COMPLEX.    First of all

Stephan goes off in the middle of the last break section (after Leroi's
moment of triumph), and

Carter is untouchable in this song.   our vocal percussionist is going to
pop a blood vessel one of these days...

plus, i've really enjoyed the way the studio has treated Dave's voice on
this song.     he hits all those "HE wakes up"s and the "WE look"s, and can
i also say that we are never going to get the DaveVoice that we want to,
but we'll keep trying.

i've seriously breached Feet Security by mentioning that we're doing this
song (it's a big secret, i want to surprise all the Swarthmore DMB fans),
but i really wanted to defend this song.


flame away!

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sleep.    read.    type.    listen to dave.    write.    eat.
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Posted By: "THOMAS (POSTER NUTBAG) SLY" <SLY@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
Time/Date: 5:59 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Could someone please explain something for me/to me?\

Hey all,
I have not posted for a few days, glad to be back-first I want to tell
all of you that I resubscribed to Phish.net, which was the first listproc
type/deal I was ever on...I was shocked at how mean some of the losers on
Phish.net are-dont bother posting anything to Phish.net about Dave, or RR
because the few people who do end up catching all sorts of un-nesscessary
shit for it from these DIE HARD freaks.  Nothing against everyone on Phish-
net but just thosewh whoppos










 I cannot spell-as I was saying I only have
a bone to pick with the people who seem to be on the net simply for the 
sake of FLAMING people.  ANYWAY NONE OF THIS SHIT GOES ON HERE-I'M ESPECIAL-
LLY PROUD OF US ALL!  Whatever we end up naming ourselves, however big
DAVE eventually gets, and however LARGE MINARETS grows to be...LET'S NEVER
END UP LIKE THOSE PEOPLE.  SORRY FOR THE SPELLING GUYS, IT'S DARK HERE AND
I CANT FIND THE DEL KEY!  
MY QUESTION FOR THIS POST IS.....
Could someone out there please explain to me what Blue Screen Shows are
I can't tell if they are a band, or a DJ by looking at the frequently
posted setlists.  If they are a band, do they only perform covers?
Any answer is a good answer, and I'm sure that I dont have to say
Any answer is a good answer, and I'm sure that I dont have to say
AAAAHH this keyboard sux!   Sorry as I was saying:  Im sure that I wont 
have to say" No PHLAMES please"!  You get what I mean-I gotta get outtA
here-I am making myself look like I cannot speak English....
later
Thomas


Posted By: "Catherine E. Hobbs" <chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Time/Date: 6:04 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Re: Love is in the air.....

youve been asking about dress for love day show, emily
and well .. im no fashion queen but .. 
im can remeber what i wore to bruce hornsby and the symphony a few 
years?? back .. that was at the masque and i remember the night pretty 
damn well for some reason ...uhh maybe it was my birthday and the ticket 
andnight out  from boarding school in the middle of the week .... sigh
welll .. i thinkits comaprable to dave and the symphony
the dress varied big time ... the guy who came to pick me up had on a tie 
and jacket .. by the time we got there he asked if he could loose the 
jacket .. by the time he was inside he asked if it would be ok to loose 
the tie ... he lost em both , kept his shirt tucked in belt etc.. 
lots of chics in dresses and skirts ..some in slacks ..some in just way 
nice looking in a pair of jeans and top ..and guys some jackets some 
ties some kackis some  some jeans ... everyone jsut looked smiley happy 
and shiney clean.  it was the kind of night that if youre comfy dressin 
up and you  want to .. you wont feel out of place either way 

uhh did i make anysense ? is that help at all, cat?  geez stop babbling
take care
catherine


Posted By: Dancing Nancy <driver8@phy.duke.edu>
Time/Date: 6:05 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: Le-Natural Break

Well, I'm sorry to say but for those of you who had asked for my solo 
show in trade for various things - You're addresses have been erased in a 
terrible server expolsion...Therefore, I would ask that anyone who had 
confirmed a trade please re-send your addresses to me (that includes the 
person who had the COMPLETE ritz show from 9-29-94, as well as Danielle,
Kim, and the Juciy filler guy, I need to confirm trades with you three.  

I'm sorry for the inconvienence but my physics server, "doc" as he is 
officially known, burned up last night and everything that was in my 
Inbox got fried...
 
As for the current discussion aver ants...

  Dave has said that this is his favorite song, and this is the reason 
that he always plays it live (I think the quote is: "This is my 
favorite song, and well...I guess that's why I play it alot.  
Sooooo....here's the scoop" 
  Now as for UTTAD ants, it's only one version of the song...and I've 
heard several that are worse - we all know that dave likes to experiment 
with styles and sounds, maybe he doesn't like it either.  But the bottom 
line is: we can't do anything about it so just push the next button on 
the cd player. 

Oh and if my vote counts for anything I like the Screaming from the 
minarets shirt idea and would be willing to draw up a design over the 
break if we still need an artist.

sean

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 	           "Take my head away 'till I'm okay"
	      		     - Carbon12 -
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                              Sean Spicer
                    Duke University, Dept. of Physics


Posted By: jag1@cornell.edu (Jeremy Gans)
Time/Date: 7:12 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: dmb on top 40 radio

YES FM, 100.3 in Ithaca, NY played Best of What's Around this afternoon.
This is a station that has America's House Party or something like it on
Saturday nights.  A few weeks ago somebody posted their nightmare would be
to hear, "Coming up after this from Snoop Doggy Dogg, Ants Marching!"  It
appears this has come true.  Any thoughts on DMB being picked up by a Top
40 station?

"Shut up I'm thinking
I had a clue now it's gone forever."
--Dave Matthews


Posted By: "your head is a shovel-- use it." <STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
Time/Date: 7:32 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: blatheringblatherskytes...

>Ok. all responces welcome.
>What does Carter say,sing,whatever in the live intro to minarets before 
>Dave goes 'yeah yeah yeah...'?  Ive no clue
>kind of like this little rap thingy?
>
>dave
>
he's not saying anything, if i'm thinking of the right intro.  it's just
dave and carter making odd sound effects, my favorite being when dave does
the hallow cricket sounding thing in each measure.  it's my favorite
part of the song, actually.  

i think the first time they did it was 9-7-93 at TRAX, and leroi helped
out on that one, making it really sick.

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Posted By: SDOTY@midd.cc.middlebury.edu
Time/Date: 8:25 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject:

I am so sick of people trying to analyze why Ants is on UTTD the way it is.
Maybe Dave likes that version, or maybe he doesn't, but just felt like annoying
all you guys, who btw have way too much time on your hands.


Posted By: "Daniel R. Craver" <drcraver@mailbox.syr.edu>
Time/Date: 9:52 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: tour w/ big head todd?

Hello everyone,
I'm really disappointed.  I joined the concert board here at Syracuse 
University this past semester.  By the time we conviced the president of 
the club to get Dave, his fall tour was allready booked.  She (the 
president) tells us next semester, no problem providing his price doesn't 
go up.  Well being the time of year to start booking for next semester we 
eagerly await Her reply: "He is touring w/Big Head todd and is now out of 
our price range"!!!  So she gets Dee-Lite instead!
AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
Nothing against BHT but I'm not paying an inflated price to see Dave in 
an opening slot( What's that about an hour, ooo wee)
Someone, please tell me this isn't true!
Peace n' groove, Dan


Posted By: Gregory Michael Pepper <gpepper@unix.cc.emory.edu>
Time/Date: 10:06 PM Saturday, December 3, 1994
Subject: ANTS!!!!!!!!

It seems as if this has become the Ants stopming network.  Does anybody 
else feel that ANTS is a quality song.  It was stated that the intro 
sounds hollow and weak;personally I love the ending.  the sharp and 
sudden drum with the fiddle and sax is premo.  
	It can get played out, but so can pizza and I eat pizza quite 
frquently and will continue to eat it!  Bands have songs by which they 
are recognized.  If you think of great bands there are certain songs that 
stang out and are recognized as the trademarks of a band.  Ants is 
filling that role for DMB!  Not every band can achieve the status of the 
BEATLES or LED ZEPPELIN.  Those are are teh exception!  Only a few bands 
can create only great songs!  Dave, keep on doing whta you're doing.  it 
sounds great!
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