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jcrother Tue Nov 9 16:37:20 1993
Just thought everyone might like to see this.
Sorry it took me a while but I've been REAL busy lately. This message
will be the "welcome" file that one recieves when they subscribe. Let me
know if you think there should be additions/corrections/deletions or
whatever.... I know most of you have seen this and it doesn't contain any
new information so don't bother reading it unless you want to see what
everyone from now on is going to get when they subscribe.
By the way-I FOUND A RIDE TO THE THREE NEW ENGLAND SHOWS!!! YEEHAAA!
I know that doesn't mean a lot to most of you but I'm pretty happy and
I'll be taping them so it affects you all indirectly! :)
alex Crothers
ps-I'm working on adding one of those information areas at the end of each
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WELCOME TO MINARETS.NET...the one and only place to become a Dave
Matthews know it all. The following is an excerpt taken from the
Minarets.FAQ(frequently asked questions).file. This file answers
basic questions about the net, the band, taping and tape trees.
For a copy of the entire file, send a request to Rick Thompson
Included here are a band bio, info on the cd, and info on how
to get the lyrics file.
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B-1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band?
Dave Matthews -- guitar, vocals (amazing voice!)
Carter Beauford -- percussion, vocals (jam on!)
Stefan Lessard -- bass (thump and grind, and he's 18!!)
LeRoi Moore -- woodwinds (esp saxophone!!, flute), vocals
...
The Dave Matthews Band draws from the distinct talents and styles
of its five members to create a uniquely compelling pop sound
that combines the influences of folk, jazz, rock, world beat, and
reggae. Some of it seems like a cross between Bob Dylan, Hot
Tuna, and Michael Stipe, parts are remniscent of a funky Miles
Davis, and parts sound like the Seldom Scene and Ziggy Stardust
mixed together. In an unknown show in the spring of 93, Dave
described the song "One Sweet World" as a sort of "Virginia
country funk," which is yet another way of inadequately describing
their unique sound.
....Dave Matthews, the band's namesake and formerly a Charlottes-
ville bartender, began assembling the group in 1991. A self-
taught guitarist and an inspiring poet from South Africa,
Dave Mathews has said that the goal of his music is "lifting
spirits" and this band reaches that goal.
....Carter Beauford, a past regular on BET (Black Entertainment
Television) and son of a jazz trumpet player, helps tie the band's
various elements together.
....Stefan has played upright bass in clubs since he was 15, was 16
when DMB was formed, and continues to get more powerful and controlled
every show.
....LeRoi has played with Carter and John D'Earth (amazing trumpet
player!!; catch him on Bruce Hornsby's new disc and on a 60-show
tour with Hornsby this fall) at paying gigs and informal jam sessions
around Charlottesville for years; the man can jam!!
to sing (but sounds great when he does), but man can he play that
fiddle! At three HORDE shows this summer, as well as at the Red
Rocks Amphitheatre, the crowd went NUTS each time Boyd appeared.
Boyd played as wonderfully to that crowd of some 9,000 in July as
he did on a lawn, in the rain, for ten folks sitting in grass
last May. He's cool-natured and friendly beyond belief; all he
wants is to play, and boy can he! You ain't heard Watchtower
until you've heard the DMB's arrangement with Boyd's SMOKING
solo!
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What about this new album?
The disc is called "Remember Two Things." It was release on November 9.
Ants Marching/Tripping Billies/Recently/Satellite/One Sweet World/The Song
That Jane Likes/Minarets/Seek Up/I'll Back You Up/Christmas Song.
The songs were recorded at Trax in Charlottesville, Flood Zone (Richmond),
The Muse (Nantucket) and one studio track, "Minarets," was recorded at Flat
Five Studios in Salem, VA. Joh Alagia produced the disc along with the band.
-The CD insert includes a complete lyric sheet.
-Along with the album, a limited edition 22 x 28 poster featuring a large
-If your local store doesn't know about DMB, you can order the disk and/or
The band is currently negotiating a major-label deal. It has become
complicated because several new majors have become interested late in the
game. The deal was supposed to be done by the end of November, but a
bidding war may ensue and delay things. In any event, there won't be any new
DMB recorded product released other than Remember Two Things before the
middle of 1994.
Incidentally, the band's management does have access to this net and welcomes
everyone's interest. Interesting messages will be passed on to band members
often take a while to get replies, because they travel a lot, so have
patience.]
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C2. Is there a lyrics file? How do i get it?
There is a lyrics file being put together by Rick Thompson,
Gregg Carrier, and Brett Horton of James Madison University.
As of 10-28-93, it held 17 songs. To get the file, simply
send a request to Rick at stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu. In
your request, specify whether you want a single copy of the
file, or if you want to be added to a permanent mailing list
which will send you updated versions weekly or biweekly until
the list is complete.
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RE: ARU at the Paradise 11/12/93 (FWD)
Daniel_Gold@brown.edu Tue Nov 9 16:43:34 1993
Just wanted to let everyone know that I talked to the guy at the Paradise
box office a few minutes ago (when I went to pick up my tix, since I work
a block away from the place) and he didn't think there was an opening
band for this show. The board that lists upcoming shows certainly didn't
list anybody as opener (and it did for quite a few of the other shows
coming up). So if you're hoping to see the Dave Matthews Band there on
Friday, you may be in for a letdown. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!
Then again maybe the guy didn't know what he was talking about!!
(i don't THINK the message was cross-posted to MinaeratsNet by its author.
if so, sorry.)
i suppose this is total misinformation, right? just double-checking.
clubs commonly are clueless about such matters. HEY, does anyone know for
sure what time DMB is taking the stage?
love,daniel
-----------------gnome boy------greenfling-----------
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personal to "WOTTONG"
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Tue Nov 9 19:12:24 1993
i just sent out the latest lyrics file update, and the only copy that
got bounced was sent to WOTTONG@ctrax.Vanderbilt.edu. i don't know
who you are, but send me a note to let me know if i've got your address
wrong, or something.
btw, i can't remember if i've done this yet, but thanx to Greenfling
Daniel Gold, Gnome Boy upon a Bovine Steed for making sure that
a future archive site has every back issue of the digested net.
if you're interested in recieving minarets net in digested form,
set minarets mail digest
if you want to undigestify, you'll have to talk to alex crothers
about it at jcrother@moose.uvm.edu.
rick thompson send any e-mail, lyrics file
harrisonburg, va 22807 stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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Flies in the Kitchen
caw9c@dayhoff.med.virginia.edu Wed Nov 10 02:46:57 1993
WOW!
I just left the DMB show a few minutes ago. It was a great show
, as usual, and I started to snooze a little toward the end. The
, out of nowhere, they ripped into Seek Up (my vote for the best
DMB song yet). After they finished that set, and I was waiting
fearfully for the lights to come on, Boyd and dave came out for
Angel from montgomery. I think it's been a while for that one.
It was great. In spite of a lot of shouting for Halloween they
wrapped it up with Warehouse. All I have to say is us folks in
chville don't deserve this. Finally, I think we should all
shower ellis of lemuria with gifts, money and first born children
for running the Bayou tree. What a show!!!!! If anyone missed
the signup, get in touch, and I'll spin you a copy. Pardon the
spelling/grammer, it's been a long night.
peace, goodnight and see you in worcester on NYE
charlie
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NorthHampton?? 21+????
jcrother Wed Nov 10 10:39:21 1993
Does anyone know if this show (or any for that matter) are 21+????
this would be a bummer.
Let me know pronto please for the Northhampton show is tomorrow (Thurs)
night and from there I go to Boston and Trinity.
None of the places on the tour date schedule specify 21+ but.....
thanks
alex Crothers
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Different review...
SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU Wed Nov 10 11:44:28 1993
Okay, I just thought I'd send this along to see what everyone thinks. Let me
ELSE'S OPINION. However, it is a friend of mine who goes to UVa and someone
who has been listening to Dave for well over a year and going to shows and
all that. So kick back with an open mind and read this and see if you agree
with any of the points. Please don't scream and yell and get offended --
it's just another viewpoint. I don't want to see another bitch session like
after "Rift" came out and half the Phishnet said they had sold out. Anyway,
Well, Dave Matthews' album finally came out. He's doomed. It's fair at best.
He did, however, have a substantial following waiting at midnight for its
release. Marcus and I went dwon to Plan 9 around 12:30 or so and the line was
out the door, around the building, and down the block. Very long wait. We
said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..." So we went back to the house and
sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
It was great...
Anyway, someone obviously told him that no one could understand what the fuck
he was saying because he sounds like he's trying so hard to enunciate. So
that sucks. He's not a very good singer to begin with, and when you can
understand what he's saying, it's even worse. Also, although most of the
album is live (from a show I saw, anyway, as a a matter of fact), they knew
they were being taped and took a little off it to make sure they played the
right notes and stuff. So it's kind of a flat performance. Also too, they
left out some of the better songs to put in shit like 'Tripping Billies', a
song we all know and hate. No 'Halloween', no 'Dead and Gone', no
'Spotlight'. I don't think 'Warehouse' is on it, either. Oh yeah, it ain't on
no Columbia, either. Some basement label like "Rag Bone Records" or "Bona
Rag" or something.
I'll tape it for you, though, and fill the rest of the tape with decent stuff
he's played. Who knows, maybe people who haven't heard good live shows will
like it. Maybe he'll make some money and hire a real sax player and bassist.
Or just get Greg Howard to cover both of their parts. I'm sure he could do a
better job by himself than both Leroi and Stephan...
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Okay, so rather scathing comments to Stephan and Leroi but... intelligent
comments? feedback? alternative thoughts?
Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
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What is REALLY going on at the Paradise on Friday night?
btanen@husc.harvard.edu Wed Nov 10 17:18:47 1993
Okay, I just got aff the phone with the Paradise. Here is the info I got
I also asked this guy what the best T (boston subway) stop was to get to
the Pradise. If you are traveling that way, it's the Pleasant Street stop
on the green line, six stops after Kenmore Square.
FYI, the opening act will be "The Dave Martin Band." He didn't know
anything else about them ;-|.
Tickets will be 12 dollars at the door if you decide to buy them then. As
of now, there ARE tickets available.
Well, so far I know of Alex, Daniel, myself, Jeremy, a few friends of mine
and some other people they know.
Yippie!!
See you there.
--Ben
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------
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Re: MINARETS digest 22
gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Wed Nov 10 23:59:31 1993
About FTP space, the university that I have my account at just added quite
a bit of hard disk space, but I already have an open FTP site here for my
email journal. I will hopefully figure out something for us. Perhaps my
friend Susan will get the space we need, (she's at the same site...) All
hail Dave. Graham
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Re: Different review...
fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu Thu Nov 11 11:38:46 1993
ELLIS SAID ABOUT SAVING IT FOR THE SHOWS. SECONDLY, DAVE CAN SING. HIS
VOICE IS UNIQUE AND YES I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HIM "BABBLE" ( OR WHATEVER YOU
CALL IT ) LIKE HE USUALLY DOES. IT DOES UPSET ME THAT HE SI TRYING TO
ENUNCIATE, BUT HOPEFULLY HE WILL STOP. AND AS FOR LEROI, I CAN NOT BELIEVE
THAT ANYONE WOULD SAY THAT. HE IS ONE OF THE BEST HORN PLAYERS I HAVE
HEARD. I DO NOT THINK ANYONE ELSE COULD WORK AS WELL AS HE DOES FOR THEM.
SURE THEIR ARE SOME GREATS OUT THEIR BUT WHO DO THINK COULD DO A BETTER JOB
ON SONGS LIKE "TYPICAL" ? I AGREE SOME OF THE NEW WAYS OF DOING SOME SONGS
DO NOT SOUND AS GOOD WITH HIM TRYING TO " OVER PROFFESIONALIZE " OR
"OVERPRODUCE" SOME SOUNDS. I TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH KERRY KREIGER AND HE
ALSO AGREES. I THINK HE LOSES A LITTLE POWER WHEN HE TRYS FOR THOSE
SOUNDS, BUT IN SOME SONGS IT IS GOOD. I MEAN WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT IN "
LOVER " ?
BREAK FROM THE DMB.
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Re: A different view.....
jcrother Thu Nov 11 11:48:19 1993
Thank God!
that's all I can really say;
after putting up with the all the bullshit on Phish.Net lately and
having every little criticism you make get you into a total flame war;
it just plain sucks
To Reid Spice (Grilled Cheese): Thank you for being honest and forwarding
the criticism (even though it *was* a bit harsh) but at least it was
honest. And, overall, I suppose that's better.
I haven't had a chance to hear the album yet either (I'll get it tonight
at Northhampton! yeaaaa!) and will listen to it with an open mind but we
all like and don't like albums. And sometimes an album grows os us. For
disliked) it; but now I like it alot and really dig some aspects of it.
It all depends.
I decided to reprint the message so everyone would know what I was talking
and to get a chance to look at it again.
alex Crothers
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Okay, I just thought I'd send this along to see what everyone thinks. Let me
ELSE'S OPINION. However, it is a friend of mine who goes to UVa and someone
who has been listening to Dave for well over a year and going to shows and
all that. So kick back with an open mind and read this and see if you agree
with any of the points. Please don't scream and yell and get offended --
it's just another viewpoint. I don't want to see another bitch session like
after "Rift" came out and half the Phishnet said they had sold out. Anyway,
Well, Dave Matthews' album finally came out. He's doomed. It's fair at best.
He did, however, have a substantial following waiting at midnight for its
release. Marcus and I went dwon to Plan 9 around 12:30 or so and the line was
out the door, around the building, and down the block. Very long wait. We
said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..." So we went back to the house and
sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
It was great...
Anyway, someone obviously told him that no one could understand what the fuck
he was saying because he sounds like he's trying so hard to enunciate. So
that sucks. He's not a very good singer to begin with, and when you can
understand what he's saying, it's even worse. Also, although most of the
album is live (from a show I saw, anyway, as a a matter of fact), they knew
they were being taped and took a little off it to make sure they played the
right notes and stuff. So it's kind of a flat performance. Also too, they
left out some of the better songs to put in shit like 'Tripping Billies', a
song we all know and hate. No 'Halloween', no 'Dead and Gone', no
'Spotlight'. I don't think 'Warehouse' is on it, either. Oh yeah, it ain't on
no Columbia, either. Some basement label like "Rag Bone Records" or "Bona
Rag" or something.
I'll tape it for you, though, and fill the rest of the tape with decent stuff
he's played. Who knows, maybe people who haven't heard good live shows will
like it. Maybe he'll make some money and hire a real sax player and bassist.
Or just get Greg Howard to cover both of their parts. I'm sure he could do a
better job by himself than both Leroi and Stephan...
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This part is *alot* harsh I thougth. If your friend doesn't like those
two aspects of the band I don't see how he can like them. That's 2/5 of
the band! Ohh well, maybe he can somehow (who knows how though!) llisten
'through' Leroi and Stephan.
alex Crothers
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FYI, the opening act will be "The Dave Martin Band." He didn't know
anything else about them ;-|.
Wow; anyone ever heard anything about these guys???????? There has been
some mention of them floating around Horde.Net. Someone said they are
supposed to be pretty good. The lead singer, Dave Martin, is supposedly
from South America and someone in the band plays the viola and another
plays a clarinet or oboe or something. The bass player, Stevan, is only
12 years old! Incredible. :)
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18+ and Confirmed
jcrother Thu Nov 11 12:57:04 1993
Just wanted to let everyone know that all three New England shows are
CONFIRMED and 18+.
Hope this helps.
alex Crothers
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Re: Different review...
bmking@mail.wm.edu Thu Nov 11 13:11:14 1993
with any of the points. Please don't scream and yell and get offended --
it's just another viewpoint.
[ lots of stuff from 'another viewpoint' ]
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Okay, so rather scathing comments to Stephan and Leroi but... intelligent
comments? feedback? alternative thoughts?
Well, it's difficult to respond to that post without being offended
and write a scathing response. However, that IS the philosophy of
the HORDE music scene I believe, to accept everyone's views, no
matter how foreign they may seem, so I will refrain from going line-
by-line and responding with my own comments.
I'll just say that I don't think your friend is a true HORDEr. It's
evident from both his actions and thoughts. Nothing wrong with that,
but it's like me trying to review the latest album from Barney.
In the end, though, it's basically just a differing of opinions.. I
happen to love the album, and Tripping Billies is one of my favorite
songs, and I love Leroi's playing, etc. I just feel his opinion is
less credible than many of those here because he's the type to send
someone else to do his work while he plays pool, just because it's
cold and he doesn't want to wait until the next day to get the album,
and has something against an independently distributed album, etc.
That's just not the mindset of most of the people here I believe.
One man's OPINION.......
--
Brett Kingswell
bmking@mail.wm.edu
BBB/loligo/zoo/bert/icka bicka momma clucka/eggs/alone/142/escaping
--
Once it's too late you appreciate what a miracle life is. You
realize that nature is ruthless and our existence is very fragile,
temporary, and precious. But to go on with your daily affairs, you
can't really think about that. Which is probably why everyone takes
the world for granted and we act so thoughtlessly.
.. and may never now know / Brett Kingswell
if I am a fool / bmking@mail.wm.edu
or have done what my /
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leroi and stephan
devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Thu Nov 11 15:26:51 1993
to the intro to Lover. Leroi plays a beautiful, emotional solo. And then to
hear him wail like he does on songs like Watchtower and Typical, I don't see
how anyone could feel that he's not that good. Just my opinion. Admittedly, he
hasn't always been a very consistent performer, but lately he seems to have
had fewer off-nights than he used to. And Stephan is anexcellent bass player,
in my mind. Rythmically he is always on, and, musically speaking, he has come
really far in the past two years. He seems to be handling the "fame" with a very
level head for someone of his age, so I think he is someone the band can count
on. Besides, there is much more that goes into a succesful band than just the
caliber of the musicians. If there is no emotional connection, then the music
they write will not be as interesting. They need to feed off of eachother
when they're travelling, rehearsing, performing, and writing. Two guys who
really dig performing together will get much further than a couple guys who
are incredible musicians, but have personality conflicts.
tries too hard to enunciate. But that doesn't affect the fact that on songs
like Lover and Lie in our Graves, it is evident that Dave can sing and that
Stephan and Leroi aren't guys you'd just boot out the door.
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article on DMB
bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu Thu Nov 11 16:41:19 1993
I'm writing an article on the band and would like to talk to avid DMB
followerds about why they are so into the band and just abtape trade,
uniqueness of band, interesting anecdotes, etc. If anyone would like to talk
to me, please message me sometime in the very near future or give a call at
708-864-6461. thanks much.
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Whoops
SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU Thu Nov 11 17:12:01 1993
Well, as I thought, many were pissed about that review I passed on (from a
*friend* of mine, please remember that!) I still haven't heard it yet so I
don't know... anyway, thank you to those people who mailed me personally and
told me what you thought. I didn't post a negative review to upset people, I
was more hoping that people would take his comments seriously and see if there
was any value to them at all. Yes, I agree that Stephan is solid and Leroi is
much better than my friend gives him credit. But I was hoping more that people
would maybe think about whether or not Dave does try to enunciate more clearly
on the album, if the album does sound flat (as though the energy was lost in
the recording), things like that. You folks have heard lots of live tapes,
you've heard lots of shows, how does the album compare? A good live album or
has it been tamed down at all? Anyway, enough for now.
Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
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please add me to the DMB digest. thanks much.send
bobgee@merle.acns.nwu.edu Fri Nov 12 03:25:34 1993
please send minarets to me. thanks also, if anyone has any info on the new
year's eve show in Richmond, please share it -- as well as any shows just
before that.
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nov 9 and the opening act...
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Fri Nov 12 07:12:42 1993
last nights show was pretty intense, but i'd have to say i enjoyed
last weeks more, because it was a longer set and a little more low
key. the first set was pretty straight forward with a lot of songs
from the cd, including satellite, which i haven't seen in a while.
in the second set they started getting into a broader setlist that
actually seemed to go on for longer than their avg set. technically,
there was only one set last night, because dave never left the stage.
right around 1am, everyone but dave left the stage to use the bathroom
and he hung around and played his new song as well as a tune from last
spring that me and my freinds refer to as 'heathcliff's haiku warriors'.
it has a finger picking style similar to 'pay for what you get'. after
playing christmas song w/ carter, things picked up again with ants.
i can't remember the full setlist, but i do know that there were 6
masters made. as far as the encore goes, the angel from montgomery
was a little sleepy, because it was only dave and boyd. after that
they finished with warehouse, and as far as i know, i was the only one
screaming for halloween(was i that loud?). everyone else up front was
screaming for warehouse.
in case your interested, they brought an opening act last night, which
is why dave's set was overall much shorter than ususal. but as for this
opening act, they were _really_ good. they had an arrangement very similar
to dmb, with a lead rhythm guitarist, bass, drums, and a violinist and
saxophonist. the primary differences being that the violinist played
a more typical western classical influenced violin than the hillbilly
fiddling of boyd we all love. the violinist also played some pretty
kicking leads on an acoustic guitar for some songs. something else is
that the saxist also played those keen little keyboard things which
i have no clue as to a name for.
their overall sound was different from dmb, too. i was extremely impressed
with their tight sound and would recommend you check them out. they're
called "From Down Home" and i know they're playing w&l this friday night.
that's all for me for now....if anyone knows the full setlist from last
night, post it.
rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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A genuine good time....
jcrother Fri Nov 12 10:38:22 1993
Hello
and I just want to give a little brief report of what an incredible show
it was last night (Thurs) at Pearl Street in Northhampton, MA!!
The show was adouble billing with DMB opening for ARU. I shouldn't even
Sweet World
Trippin Billies
Granny
Help Myself
Minarets
Satelite
Warehouse
Lover Lay Down
Ants Marching
Recently
There were technical problems through the whole show (not many in DMB) but
not on the part of the board (except in one case) but on the part of the
tapers. There were about five analog tapers there and two digital (myself
and someone else-was that you Eric?) Since I was tremendously
underprepared I ended up going last in the line which means that my copy
has a cut everytime an anolog parent had to flip :(, but oh well. The
first minute on DMB got cut and the first minute of ARU got cut. Also,
one the guys taping analog in front of me wasn't paying any attention to
his deck so I ended up having to adjust his levels and mine.!!!! Annoying.
Anyway, a killer show to say the least. the only technical problem on the
boards fault (and it wasn't really the boards fault) was we lost ALL
power. Vocals went out, our decks went out, the board went out. For
about five-seven minutes we sat there waiting (just as we set up some mics
it went back on). The instruments still had power and ARU just went into
a jam (obviously w/out words. :)) until the power got back on. Still not
sure what the problem was.
Anyway, I haven't had a chance to listen to the tape and I won't for
awhile 'cause I'm taking off for Boston in a sec. The tapes all are
pretty piece-meal but maybe with some fancy fade in/outs I can make them a
little more fluid. I'll do my best.
I got the album, pretty cool but still haven't had a good chance to listen
to it. Everyone at the show was staring at one on the posters
(sterograms) they had on display. Jeff (soundman) was incredible nice as
was ARU's soundman and both bands. Good atmosphere.
I saw Eric(new aquaintance) and Christian (old friend from many crazy
random touring crossings!) from minarets.net. IAnother bonus for me was I
got to see a bunch of old buddies from my old highschool-Ashely, John,
Eric Needham.
Did I forget anything??
Well I'm off to Boston!!!
alex Crothers
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Re: lover lay down
kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Fri Nov 12 18:06:13 1993
hiatus, Lover Lay Down has been played at every show.
This is the cheesiest song I've ever heard, no exaggeration.
The lyrics suck. Leroi sounds like Kenny G. Why not play forgotten songs
like Drive In Drive Out, So Much To Say (still a great song even without
Peter), or (here's a crazy thought) play a set that's 5 minutes shorter than
usual, and encore w/ Halloween.
Not to be harsh, but deep down in my soul, in the bottom of my heart, I
REALLY HATE THAT SONG!
Sorry to break everyone's heart who likes that song, but I just had to let
this out, for it has been long subdued.
--Kerry
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Wow!! Disc Sales!!
jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Fri Nov 12 18:16:34 1993
I wasnt there Monday night (11/8), but the local papers reported that over
400 people came, that Dave started signing at midnight and didn't finish
until 5:30 am, that they SOLD OUT, that is SOLD OUT of all of the copies they
had at Plan 9, and that the POSTERS ARE GOING FAST!! Amazing!
oh... the opening band Tuesday was From Good Homes, not Good Damn Homes or
whatever that was someone mentioned.
And, to toss another $.02 in, I think Leroi smokes!!! Doesn't seem to bend
the notes much, but man! He can swing it, he can sling it, he can slide it
around! 'Ts'all a po'boy like me needs....
BTW, TRAX was more crowded Tues (11/9) than I think I have EVER seen it (and
I've been there some multiple of 150 times). Folks were standing on chairs,
on tables, on each others' feet, on shoulders, on beer bottles. Took almost
15 minutes to get TO the bathroom, and then the line went around the pool
table. (Oddly, given stereotypical gender habits and the gender split of the
audience population, there were about 4 womenpholk in line for the fem rest
stop and about 35 guys in line for the men's office.)
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Re: Different review...
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Fri Nov 12 19:51:32 1993
said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..." So we went back to the house and
sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
It was great...
i'll be perfectly honest. as soon as i saw the reference to uva greek, i
totally dismissed this article as not worth my time. but i read on. then
i found myself so disgusted with this perrsons point of view that i had to
reply.
as i mentioned before, i have very little respect for uva greek, based
almost solely on my observance of their behaviour at dave matthews shows.
as was discussed at the inception of this net, dave matthews has been
getting discouraged with playing at TRAX. this is because the audience
gets drunk, throws each other around, generally ignores what dave is
trying to do, and doesn't pay the slightest bit of attention unless ants,
halloween, or warehouse is being played. i can only assume that your
freind is among this crowd, based on his reference to warehouse and
halloween (FYI, 'dead and gone' would be known to most of us as 'rhyme
or reason'), as well as his opinion of dave matthews in general.
i also assume that your freind comes from the base that thinks that boyd
is the heart and soul of this band. i don't think that i could imagine
this band without his almost hillbilly addition to the band, but it's
called 'the dave matthews band' for a reason.
i'm so pissed at the narrow-mindedness of what i just read that i can't
even organize my thoughts on the subject. your freind apparently doesn't
know jack shit about the music industry, and the hassles of signing
contracts and such, and should be clued into the fact that a major label
deal is in the works that should produce us a full studio disc next year.
errrrrr.
i have a lot more to say, but i'm going to stop now. in all actuality,
i appreciate the different point of view, and i apologize up front to
spice for pretty much saying his freind has no character or merit, IMNSHO.
but still, dave is far from doomed. this is not dave's definitive work,
nor is he making it out to be. 'remember two things' is a debut album.
it's an introduction for the some 40 states left that have never heard
of the man. treat it as such. and tell your freind that he lives in
c-ville, and is more than welcome to go to TRAX each and every tue night
until he hears his beloved halloween song or spotlight.
as and aside--putting halloween on a cd would be like phish putting
harry hood on a cd. anyone agree?
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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Reid's dumbass friend...
STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET Sat Nov 13 00:42:29 1993
Okay, I just thought I'd send this along to see what everyone thinks. Let me
ELSE'S OPINION.
Well Reid...next time don't forward worthless opinions...I have seen you write
things to this net that I enjoyed. Your "friend's" I did not, and would rather
address him personally...but I don't know who he is...see?
However, it is a friend of mine who goes to UVa and someone
who has been listening to Dave for well over a year and going to shows and
all that.
A lot of drunk frat boys who don't know shit about music go to Dave shows every
week.
Well, Dave Matthews' album finally came out. He's doomed. It's fair at best.
Nice setup from a wise old Dave Matthews sage...tell us your story ye who knows
so much...
He did, however, have a substantial following waiting at midnight for its
release. Marcus and I went dwon to Plan 9 around 12:30 or so and the line was
out the door, around the building, and down the block. Very long wait. We
said, "He's good, but he ain't that good..."
Yes he is...but then if you knew that, you wouldn't have made comments this
pathetic...
So we went back to the house and
sent some pledges to get it for us. They didn't get back until about 3:30.
Stood outside and froze their nuts off while we enjoyed some fine billiards.
It was great...
The only people who are more pathetic than these pledges who stood in the cold
for you are you and your friend who let it go to your heads when your silly
Greek system allows you to demean other individuals just to get your rocks off.
Anyway, someone obviously told him that no one could understand what the fuck
he was saying because he sounds like he's trying so hard to enunciate. So
that sucks. He's not a very good singer to begin with
Wrong. Your pompous attitude towards this band is disgusting...shut up...
and when you can
understand what he's saying, it's even worse.
I doubt you have ever listened to Dave's incredible lyrical talent. This
statement is among your most ignorant. Yet you try to pass it off as weathered
experience. *sarcasm begins* Thank god someone like you is around to tell us al
about the Dave Matthews Band. Without someone like you who has seen them SO
MANY times us folks would have no one to look to. Thank you. *sarcasm ends
with bout of vomiting*
Also, although most of the
album is live (from a show I saw, anyway, as a a matter of fact), they knew
they were being taped and took a little off it to make sure they played the
right notes and stuff. So it's kind of a flat performance.
Is it really a flat performance? Those of us who don't have quite as much live
Dave experience wouldn't have realized this without your insightful
comments...thank you again...moron...
Also too, they
left out some of the better songs to put in shit like 'Tripping Billies', a
song we all know and hate. No 'Halloween', no 'Dead and Gone'
Known to the rest of the world as Rhyme or Reason...
no
'Spotlight'. I don't think 'Warehouse' is on it, either. Oh yeah, it ain't on
no Columbia, either.
Yo yo yo boyeeee! It aint on no Columbia! Go back to the hood dork...is a
major label really the means by which you judge a band...oops...forgot you are
really really dumb! Of course that's your criteria!
Some basement label like "Rag Bone Records" or "Bona
Rag" or something.
Bama Rag Records
I'll tape it for you, though, and fill the rest of the tape with decent stuff
he's played. Who knows, maybe people who haven't heard good live shows will
like it. Maybe he'll make some money and hire a real sax player and bassist.
Or just get Greg Howard to cover both of their parts. I'm sure he could do a
better job by himself than both Leroi and Stephan...
Well...as if you hadn't announced your ignorance enough. Leroi and Stephan are
both far more vast musical talents than you or you drunk frat brothers give
them credit for. Maybe not as catchy as Boyd (who is also great) but both
Leroi and Stephan are INTEGRAL parts of the band. I won't even bother trying
to convince you.
Dude, find somewhere else to drink your beer on Tuesday nights. Just because
UVA sees fit to let you in to their school does not mean everyone here will
blindly respect your views on the Dave Matthews Band.
You are stomping on all of our buzzes...
Any comment/criticisms/death threats should be directed to him. Thanks.
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tonight's (last night's?) show
btanen@husc.harvard.edu Sat Nov 13 01:09:13 1993
Just returned from Paradise. Literally.
Greenfling-Gold who arrived a few minutes later with some buddies that he
drove up from Brown with.
five after and says that the band (ARU) is sound-checking so we won't be
let in just yet. Daniel and a friend of his decide to go exploring-- they
go around back of the club and hear ARU running through Yield Not to
Temptation; the door was open since some guy was delivering beer. They
come back at around 7:30, we wait for another 10-15 minutes.
10 people in ahead of us.
someone there. Boyd walks in, violin case in hand. I walk around the
You know, I've seen in you in New York a couple of times but I figured now
that I am in school up here I'd never see you guys.
you were doomed. [;-)just kidding netters!]
Anyway, after that I went back to the stage and planted myself between two
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the audience-- they came to see ARU but WERE IMPRESSED with DMB!!!
One Sweet World
Tripping Billies
Granny
Help (what song is this????)
Minarets ***With Carter and Apt.258 both playing drum set!!!!
Dancing Nancies
Lover Lay Down
Ants Marching ***With Carter and Apt.258 both playing drum set!!!!
All you C'villers and other Virginians who get to see Dave and company on
a regular, in fact quite frequent, basis, PLEASE realize just how lucky
you are. I know that on the net are mostly the real fans and not the
drunken assholes who scream for Halloween and Warehouse every Tuesday
night at Trax and piss the band off, but come on! I've got to go and
personally thank the guy to come up here (maybe next time he'll get to do
more than eight tunes) and some people down in Virginia give 'em a hard
time in their own backyard!
Oh well. Enough of that.
And BTW, the album is pretty good on first impression, but I'll give a
full review in a while. (Leroi and Stefan rocked tonight, as usual, though.)
Thanks for listening, y'all.
--Ben
P.S. I haven't asked this in a while, but I want more information on John
Alagia, the album's producer and one half of the duo Derryberry and Alagia
(yes, Derryberry is thanked inside). I forgot to ask Dave about this tonight.
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------
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Enough.
SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU Sat Nov 13 16:43:27 1993
I'm tired of the thread on my posting of the "[Very] Different Review." I
don't care if you didn't like it, Gregg, I posted it to create some hopefully
intelligent discussion. As I feared, the whole thing has completely
degenerated into a stereotypical Greek-bashing fest (and my friend isn't even
Greek, I guess his friend Marcus or whatever must be). The insults to Greeks,
intelligence, etc. are just getting old so let's just drop it. As I've said,
I only hoped that we could take it from a positive, critical perspective
instead of everyone getting pissed and screaming and yelling (wasting
everyone's time defending the band). I know you like the band, everyone does
or you wouldn't be here reading this. So anyway, let's move on please...
A thoroughly frustrated and proudly Greek Reid
-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
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Re: different review (long response)
Daniel_Gold@brown.edu Sat Nov 13 16:55:54 1993
This is a long post responding to two articles from yesterday's digests.
Sorry for the length. I believe some of the comments went a little too far
and that a public response is mandated. (later, i will make up for this by
posting some more relevant info on the Boston DMB show.)
i'll be perfectly honest. as soon as i saw the reference to uva greek, i
totally dismissed this article as not worth my time.
i do know some about UVA greek and it turns me off, too. however, as soon
as i see someone automatically dismissing an article on the net, i think
that person is a bit rash.
as i mentioned before, i have very little respect for uva greek, based
almost solely on my observance of their behaviour at dave matthews shows.
this is not my only reason for disliking the greek system at UVA. i am
wondering if the fact that it is your only reference makes your judgement
unfounded. do the fratsters at DMB shows represent all the fratstrers? do
they all go to DMB? oh, and the fact that Boyd kicks bootie on fiddle --
does that mean all blacks people are great fiddlers? granted, the
fratsters at DMB shows may be exhibiting a typical attitude, but i think
it's unfair to increminate specific fratsters (namely, the author to whom
you were responding) on the basis of what you've seen some other "brothers"
do at shows.
generally ignores what dave is
trying to do,
FYI, "dave" would be known to most of the rest of us as "dave matthews
BAND"
i can only assume that your
freind is among this crowd, based on his reference to warehouse and
halloween (FYI, 'dead and gone' would be known to most of us as 'rhyme
or reason'),
Don't ASSUME anything, because it makes an ASS out of U and ME. i think it
would be just fine for a non-fratster to dig Warehouse & Halloween. i also
think it is okay to call a song by a different name, considering the true
official titles can't really be found out (unless Dave or someone announces
the name at a show you're at, or unless the song's on the newborn CD.)
[e.g. ARU does a song which i call "Peace and Happiness" althogh i think
the real name may be something else (?)] so, please don't critisize
someone based on that. maybe we're not all as in-the-know as you are.
i also assume that your freind comes from the base that thinks that boyd
is the heart and soul of this band. i don't think that i could imagine
this band without his almost hillbilly addition to the band, but it's
called 'the dave matthews band' for a reason.
why? because "Dave Matthews" is the heart and soul of the BAND? it might
as well be the "Joe Schmo Band" for all i care. *if* any member outshines
the others, i don't think it's Dave, based on the ONE performance i've
seen. for the most part, they function as a group. they belong together.
granted, i have not seen any Dave solo. i'm just unsure if your comment
meant "Dave is the heart" or "The whole band is the heart."
i'm so pissed at the narrow-mindedness of what i just read that i can't
even organize my thoughts on the subject.
speaking of which... welcome to your own world, man.
your freind apparently doesn't
know jack shit about the music industry, and the hassles of signing
contracts and such,
should he be expected to know? is that what makes one cool, to know the
grit about the scene? yeah, i'm personally into knowing and analyzing, but
and should be clued into the fact that a major label
deal is in the works that should produce us a full studio disc next year.
uh huh. *how* exactly should he know this? i know 'cause i read
MINERATSnet daily. is everyone else supposed to just glean the information
from signs in the heavens? sure, c-villers have lots of opportunities to
find that information, IF they choose to associate with folks who know.
but still, dave is far from doomed. this is not dave's definitive work,
nor is he making it out to be. 'remember two things' is a debut album.
great point! same can be said for "the white album" by Phish.
and tell your freind that he lives in
c-ville, and is more than welcome to go to TRAX each and every tue night
until he hears his beloved halloween song or spotlight.
say you had a favorite character in a book. in a series of books,
actually. but there are lots of other characters, with a variety of
personalities and stories, and the author sort of rotates through telling
about each of them as they come to interact. would you be psyched to
purchace a book per week until one finally involved your hero? No. you
should not be expected to be elated about that. if someone wants to hear a
song and he doesn't ever seem to catch it at the shows he goes to, he
shouldn't be expected to start shelling out time and money EVERY WEEK for a
band. he has a right to hope for certain songs without being
MINERATSer-than-thou. everyone who likes a band doesn't have to be a total
loyalist. now, if he starts yelling for songs throughout the shows, then
he becomes obnoxious and is invading on everyone else's good time.
Well Reid...next time don't forward worthless opinions...
well, next time don't be so close-minded. no opinion is worthless, though
it may be wrong (an opinion again, see?). So, folks, please do continue to
forward info relevant to DMB. pro and con are welcome. this is not a net
for DMB cheerleaders alone, it's for all pertinate discussion.
Wrong. Your pompous attitude towards this band is disgusting...shut up...
"pompus attitude" = "shut up"
practice what you preach, fellow.
I doubt you have ever listened to Dave's incredible lyrical talent. This
statement is among your most ignorant.
do you really know how much someone has listened to Dave's lyrics? I am
personnally still mulling over their value myself. no judgement yet.
would it be okay with you if i did decide i don't like the words?
Is it really a flat performance?
well, as a matter of a fact, it sounds pretty flat to me too in some ways.
which is not to say DMB screwed up; i think WSP's albums and Phish's
albums are flat as well.
...thank you again...moron...
nice personal attack. throw a few more of those in and maybe you'll get as
popular as Hitler became. very very good! let's discourage any
non-mainstream opinions! yea! (sarcasm, albeit somewhat true...)
Known to the rest of the world as Rhyme or Reason...
oh, sorry. i didn't know one had to be a DMB guru to post. fact of the
matter is, I didn't know that either, and i've been netting since MINERATS
inception. passing on information is cool, but being critical of someone's
minor mistakes of semantics is not.
Yo yo yo boyeeee! It aint on no Columbia! Go back to the hood dork
...oops...forgot you are
really really dumb!
ummm. what kind of a statement is that? please clarify "hood dork."
oh, and i suppose you think Galeleio [spell] was really really dumb too,
just because his opinion was different?
Leroi and Stephan are INTEGRAL parts of the band. I won't even bother trying
to convince you.
your time on the net would be spent much better if you did offer your
insights into the musicians. i personally like them as they are, but i can
understand someone only liking some members. i feel that way about other
bands.
You are stomping on all of our buzzes...
So are you.
This was written by Gregg Carrier. stu_gjcarrie@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
Any comment/criticisms/death threats should be directed to him.
sorry, i felt your publicly stated comments should be answered in public.
i apoligize to anyone who didn't want to sit through this kind of
arguement.
i will now post a more DMBish piece.
love,daniel
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DMB & ARU 11/12/93 Boston, MA (my review)
Daniel_Gold@brown.edu Sat Nov 13 17:35:40 1993
Okay. That's it for me! I'll let Daniel take over--
well, here i am. i will offer my additions to Ben's comments and include a
bit about the ARU set (you'll see why).
Daniel and a friend of his decide to go exploring-- they
go around back of the club and hear ARU running through Yield Not to
Temptation; the door was open since some guy was delivering beer.
maybe this is trivial, but i saw what i think is DMB's van behind the club.
ARU's van is small, too.
Anyway, after that I went back to the stage and planted myself between two
[Ben inserted a nice graphic here... good job, Ben!]
that was my first time to see DMB, and i've only heard two live tapes.
They were excellent. I am psyched that this band is obviously on the
upswing. They have much creative universe ahead of them. Is there any
need for me to say that Boyd is a diety? I've seen a lot of fiddlers (in
the hills of Arkansas), and Boyd is magical in his ability to mesh that
sound with DMB. Leroi is cool, but i think he was a little nervous when he
jammed with ARU. it took him a few hesitant blows on his horn to get
comfortably in the groove. Stefan was good. Just good. Quite good, but
after seeing Oteil (ARU) it is hard to imagine they are playing the same
instument. But that's typical; Stefan will continue to develop his own
style, i'm sure. Carter is wonderful, and he worked especially well with
Apt.Q258 of ARU. Their simul-timing on Ants Marching was a sight! And
then there's Dave... i have this premonition that he grows on ya'. His
them (vocals) too much YET, but i think it just takes getting used to so
i'll know when he's really going off... he has a commanding stage presence
that i like. and, he has written some hot tunes!
Ben didn't tell y'all about the ARU set. Members of DMB guested on most of
the tunes, so i will include the setlist with all the notes of
who-guested-when. ARU are amazing at adapting to new sounds and new
members, so the infusion of Carter, Boyd, and Leroi was perfect.
ARU 11/12/93 at the Paradise in Boston, MA
Jam# (# = w/out Col. Bruce)
Pay Day
Compared to What?
Yeild Not to Temptation
Spoonful
Salty Dog
Basically Frightened* (* = w/ Carter)
Time is Free * --
Peace and Happiness*+ -- (+ = w/ Leroi)
Tronderossa*
Time Flack
No Egos Underwater*
Two Truckloads
Cheese Frog
y'all have already seen the DMB set, so no need to repost.
When Dave sang "what you see is huuuuuuman," it was one of the few lines i
knew and understood, and i just felt a great MINERATSpower. Sooooo
Enjoyable!
I couldn't buy the stare-e-o-gram poster because if i hung it in my dorm
room, i wouldn't do any homework. Remember Two Things... 8-)
Oh, and did you guys here that DMB are relocating to Rhode Island? What
unbelievable luck for me! [just kidding] Well, maybe they will make it up
this way again. The crowd seemed to be showing a ton of support. I wish
they would've come out into the crowd to get a feel for how much we liked
'em. Good show, ol' chaps!
"So why would you care to get out of this place?
You and me and all our friends, such a happy human race!"
love,daniel
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Re: New DAT Format Question
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Sun Nov 14 14:34:55 1993
THE DAVE MATTHEWS BAND and MINARETS.NET FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FILE.
This FAQ was compiled with the gracious help of Ellis of Lemuria,
Alex Crothers, Rick Thompson, and Gregg Carrier. Any questions
which you feel should be added to this FAQ should be addressed
to Rick Thompson at stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu.
This file last revised on 11-3-93.
B1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band?
C1. What about this new album?
C2. Is there a lyrics file? How do i get it?
**Sections D & E are borrowed from the Phish.faq.file with permission.**
**Please see the note at the beginning of section D. **
E4: PATCHING IN etiquette (needs to be answered!!)
E5: DCC and DAT compared and considered
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A-1. What is Minarets.Net and how do I subscribe?
Basically minarets.Net was initially started by myself(Alex Crothers)
with the help of Ellis of Lemuria and Eric Budke. I got involved with
the DMB through my brother who began booking them when they first
formed and is now their "unofficial" photographer. The name of the
Net comes from a song that will appear on their forthcoming album
(Nov. 9) and was suggested by Ellis. Originally Sreaming from the
Minarets, the band shorten the name of the song to Minarets. So the
name of the Net went from Sreaming_From_The_Minarets.Net to Minarets.Net.
I guess we all got lucky. $-)
This Net is somewhat different than other musical nets that you may be
familiar with. To begin with it is not automatically digestified (see
below) so whenever you send a message to Minarets it gets sent to all
the subscribers immediately. Another aspect of this net that is different
than other nets is in the way you subscribe/unsubscribe.
This mailing list is run through through the University of Vermont so it
is subject to their rules/laws.
--How do I subscribe?
Send the message "subscribe minarets YOUR NAME" to listproc@moose.uvm.edu
your name is just your regular name i.e. Dave Pothead.
Don't worry about a subject
--How do I make minarets digestified?
send the message "set minarets mail digest" to listproc@moose.uvm.edu
Again, don't worry about a subject.
easy enough
--How do I post to minarets?
Send message to minarets@moose.uvm.edu.
--How do I unsubscribe from minarets?
First of all, why would you want to? 8-)
I THINK you send the message "unsubscribe minarets YOUR NAME" to
listproc@moose.uvm.edu
Let me know if someone tries that and it doesn't work
Now a little bit about me. I'm a student at University of Vermont so I do
have other things to do (i.e. tape trading, hiking, skiing, partying,
recording bands that come through the area, and, oh yeah, studying) but
hopeflly this won't take a lot of my time once I get it fine tuned. It can
pretty much run itself. I hope. $-) If you have any problems or questions
Thanks
Alex Crothers
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B-1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band?
Dave Matthews -- guitar, vocals (amazing voice!)
Carter Beauford -- percussion, vocals (jam on!)
Stefan Lessard -- bass (thump and grind, and he's 18!!)
LeRoi Moore -- woodwinds (esp saxophone!!, flute), vocals
...
The Dave Matthews Band draws from the distinct talents and styles
of its five members to create a uniquely compelling pop sound
that combines the influences of folk, jazz, rock, world beat, and
reggae. Some of it seems like a cross between Bob Dylan, Hot
Tuna, and Michael Stipe, parts are remniscent of a funky Miles
Davis, and parts sound like the Seldom Scene and Ziggy Stardust
mixed together. In an unknown show in the spring of 93, Dave
described the song "One Sweet World" as a sort of "Virginia
country funk," which is yet another way of inadequately describing
their unique sound.
....Dave Matthews, the band's namesake and formerly a Charlottes-
ville bartender, began assembling the group in 1991. A self-
taught guitarist and an inspiring poet from South Africa,
Dave Mathews has said that the goal of his music is "lifting
spirits" and this band reaches that goal.
....Carter Beauford, a past regular on BET (Black Entertainment
Television) and son of a jazz trumpet player, helps tie the band's
various elements together.
....Stefan has played upright bass in clubs since he was 15, was 16
when DMB was formed, and continues to get more powerful and controlled
every show.
....LeRoi has played with Carter and John D'Earth (amazing trumpet
player!!; catch him on Bruce Hornsby's new disc and on a 60-show
tour with Hornsby this fall) at paying gigs and informal jam sessions
around Charlottesville for years; the man can jam!!
to sing (but sounds great when he does), but man can he play that
fiddle! At three HORDE shows this summer, as well as at the Red
Rocks Amphitheatre, the crowd went NUTS each time Boyd appeared.
Boyd played as wonderfully to that crowd of some 9,000 in July as
he did on a lawn, in the rain, for ten folks sitting in grass
last May. He's cool-natured and friendly beyond belief; all he
wants is to play, and boy can he! You ain't heard Watchtower
until you've heard the DMB's arrangement with Boyd's SMOKING
solo!
.....DMB has played ALL over Virginia, but has also played dates
in SC, NC, GA, AL, NY, IL, CO, MD, DC, TN, and I can't begin to
remember where else. You may have seen them or heard about them
playing Feb. 6 at the Ritz (NYC) playing with members of the
Allmans, Widespread, PHISH, Blues Traveler, and I've forgotten
who else.
--
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
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(For those of you who don't know he was the keyboard player, and he left the
band in late March of this year.) I saw DMB play at Salem College here in
Winston-Salem on April 5, and apparently he had just left. During the
intermission, I asked Boyd why he left. He said that since Peter was married
and had just got a house, he was tired of all the traveling and wanted to be at
home with his family.
Hope that is somewhat of answer.
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On Peter...this is from Dave...Apparently Peter left only because the schedule
was too much and he was tired of it...Dave didn't seem apprehensive at all
about discussing the Peter situation, but said he wasn't going to play People
People because he and Pete wrote it together. He did say he'd like to record
it sometime.
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B-3: Who are some of these other regulars jammin with the band?
On the flute...Richard Harding is his name and he's a really nice guy. I saw
him at my first DMB show a little over a year ago, but Tuesday was the first
time I met him.
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What about this new album?
this information is provided by
Thane Kerner, Charlottesville VA
BaylorF@aol.com
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Here is the official and definitive information on the upcoming CD release by
The disc is called "Remember Two Things." The release date is Tuesday,
November 9. The band will play Trax that night, but three record stores will
have midnight release parties at 12:01 am 11/9 (Plan 9 Charlottesville, P9
Richmond, and Town & Campus Harrisonburg).
The track listing has been slightly modified since our previous announcement;
Ants Marching/Tripping Billies/Recently/Satellite/One Sweet World/The Song
That Jane Likes/Minarets/Seek Up/I'll Back You Up/Christmas Song.
The songs were recorded at Trax in Charlottesville, Flood Zone (Richmond),
The Muse (Nantucket) and one studio track, "Minarets," was recorded at Flat
Five Studios in Salem, VA. Joh Alagia produced the disc along with the band.
-The CD insert will include a complete lyric sheet.
-A cassette will be available around the 1st of December.
-Along with the album, a limited edition 22 x 28 poster featuring a large
version of the stereogram on the CD cover will be available; the three stores
doing the midnight opening will have them, but they will also be available at
shows.
-If your local store doesn't know about DMB, you can order the disk and/or
poster directly from Bama Rags Records at (804) 979-9695. However, it will be
much appreciated (even if you order direct) if you'll tell your local stores
about the band and ask them to get some copies to sell. They can call Bama
Rags directly to do so.
The band is currently negotiating a major-label deal. It has become
complicated because several new majors have become interested late in the
game. The deal was supposed to be done by the end of this month, but a
bidding war may ensue and delay things. In any event, there won't be any new
DMB recorded product released other than Remember Two Things before the
middle of 1994.
Incidentally, the band's management does have access to this net and welcomes
everyone's interest. On their behalf we say Thanks to Alex, Ellis and
everyone responsible. Interesting messages will be passed on to band members
often tak a while to get replies, because they travel a lot, so have
patience.]
Keep posting, and enjoy R2T.
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In reply to some of the comments and questions posted since the latest
The CD is based on live shows, since only "Minarets" and "Seek Up" are purely
studio recordings. However, the recordings have been overdubbed, remixed, and
otherwise improved. They are of a significantly higher quality than any live
tape of this band...and believe me, we have tapes of about all of 'em. While
I agree that the band could really shine in the studio, that will happen best
with a major-label budget. This product is an excellent introduction to the
band and will meet the immediate demands of the existing fan base. If most
DMB fans have to choose between this excellent record now, or waiting for a
truly studio LP in mid-'94 (which we will get anyway), I think they will
"vote with their pocketbooks" as the saying goes. We shall see.
In regard to the lyrics being included, this is always a quandry. However, I
think we get the best of both worlds, because while we will see clearly the
writing talent Dave has, the mystery will be retained because the lyrics, as
many of you know, change from show to show, and will continue to do so. So,
you will get the lyrics as of a certain night in October 1993, but it is not
by any means the definitive or permanent set. For the record, they will be
printed clearly and completely.
I hope as many of you as can will be in Charlottesville for the 9th...it
should be an amazing evening.
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C2. Is there a lyrics file? How do i get it?
There is a lyrics file being put together by Rick Thompson,
Gregg Carrier, and Brett Horton of James Madison University.
And as of 10-28-93, it held 17 songs. To get the file, simply
send a request to Rick at stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu. In
your request, specify whether you want a single copy of the
file, or if you want to be added to a permanent mailing list
which will send you updated versions weekly or biweekly until
the list is complete.
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***********************************NOTICE**********************************
* This section was graciously donated by Ellis of Lemuria from *
* the Phish FAQ.file. Any references to the 'net' within this *
* section are specifically referring to Phish.net, but apply to *
* Minarets net as well. Any material that is Phish specific *
* within this section of the Phish FAQ.file has been deleted *
* for our purposes here, and have been noted as such. Any *
* material added by Rick is noted by {squiggle brackets}. *
***********************************NOTICE**********************************
E4: PATCHING IN etiquette (needs to be answered!!)
E5: DCC and DAT compared and considered
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abbreviations, dubbing, dolby & dbx.
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For the most part, The Dave Matthews Band is very receptive to
taping. The general way to go about it at this point is to
walk to the front door of the venue and ask permission. Usually
you will be allowed to, but with the lack of a contract on the
matter, I wouldn't always count on it. When more info on this
subject becomes available, it will be added here.
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{In Phish.faq.file, this questions serves the purpose of }
{telling what really great show are on tape, and circulating. }
{With the current status of DMB tapes being very vague, this }
{question is currently unanswered. If you can suggest a }
{specific show to add to this list, send to Rick Thompson }
{stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu. }
Some particular shows to keep an eye out for are van Ryper's 92,
11-17-92/TRAX, 3-23-93/TRAX, and 10-26-93/TRAX.
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STU_GJCARRIE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
|From Lee Silverman ST101137@brownvm.brown.edu: A Tape Tree is
a way of distributing a popular tape to a large number of people.
copies of a tape, everyone gets their tapes faster & there's much
less work involved for the owner of the tapes.
So I post to the net, saying that I'm running a tree. In that
post I include a form for people to fill out & send back to me.
(most of the info on these forms gets used, so always fill out
the whole thing) After about a week of waiting, I compile all the
replies into a "tree," where I arrange to make copies for 5 or so
people. Each of those 5 people is given a list of 5 other people
whom they are to make tapes for. Each of them makes copies for 5
people, & so on depending on how big the tree is.
with the best taping equipment, so the tapes lose less of their
sound quality. If you are on a tree you have one or two
everyone). You do this by either sending blanks to, or trading
with, the person above you. (Whether you send blanks or trade
generally has little to do with your placement within the tree).
The second responsibility you *may* have will be to copy the
tapes for a certain number of other people. They may either
trade with you or just send blanks. At that point your role in
the tree has been fulfilled.
Pandion@Brown.edu for some suggestions.
{Phish specific material deleted}
slackers on the net; expect that there may some problems, and
that no tree will run perfectly smoothly, then be ready to patch
lost branches to parents with a small burden. 2) Try to make
your tree run well anyway, to preserve netiquette and tape
quality, not to mention trust and credibility of and on the net
process. Lee and Ellis are willing to give suggestions, at least,
if not administrative help. 3) Running a tree does involve some
time, not only to create the tree -- which itself could involve
assimilation and organization of a hundred or more names and
addresses, and being sure that those addresses and the tree links
get hooked to the right people -- but to make tapes for the
branches, settle any problems that arise, deal with orphaned
leaves, etc. Remember, there is a difference between the person
administrating, the person rooting, and the person seeding the
tree. 4) The tree administrator is not the only person with
responsibilities; as Lee said, everyone on the tree is
responsible for his sections, and may at some point be asked to
help out with stragglers, orphans, and late comers; there is no
pressure, but there will be requests. 5) If you have a great
tape(s) but not the experience, time, understanding, or interets
to run a tree, you could ROOT your tapes to someone who IS ready
to run the tree. Just post a note to the net (mail to
phish@phish.net) with the subject "Need Adm for date tree".
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with what you have (which assumes that you have more than a
handful of boots) & to make it easier to let others see what you
have (which assumes that you might one day be interested in
trading for other tapes.) That is, even if you dont think one of
these items is useful to have on your list, you ought to at least
be able to give the relevant info on any particular tape.
generation determination); Ellis tried very hard to find one.
BTW, number gens how you want & be prepared to explain your
standarization; there is no *right* answer. But, important info
location of venue, source (FM broadcast, audience, soundboard,
monitor feed, suzy-Q, studio, board remix), generation (you
define!), whether the original was digital, whether your copy is
on metal, whether your copy has been dolby-ized, some form of
grading (try A, B, C; + or - for hiss & noise; try to be strict,
it'll come to you), & any other comments (eg first {Granny}, only
show with {an acoustic Tripping Billies, etc).
quality and performance quality. You may want two systems, both
numbered, both lettered, one letters and the other suffixes
(+,-,=,*,etc) or whatever works for you. Just be sure that you
know what it is and that you can decipher it for anyone who asks.
{Phish specific material deleted}
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You dub a tape & pay for postage; someone else does the same.
(or, you might just send blanks; see D4 and D4C). The two of you
discuss quality, length, choices, whatever you want beforehand, &
mail to each other. This is the way that most tapes get spread
out across the globe, though most tapes made are probably the
dubs off of trades. One netter who currently has 160hrs, for
instance, got 140 of those hours by net trade.
| 1993
| What's the best way to go about setting up trades with other
| net.phish heads?
or respond to discussion of tapes (but see below), but you can
also just talk with folks about their favorite songs and versions
and shows, on email or irc or the phone or in lots at shows, and
eventually you'll run into the knowledge of someone's having
something you want. thats much better than just copying
everything you can get your hands on.
| I've arranged a half-dozen or so trades mostly by responding to
| posted grovels, but how do the "old-timers" in this group go
| about it?
through the net and just get in contact every now and then to
trade lists again. keep track of with whom you trade and check in
with them again in 4, 6, or 8 months. Youll be surprised!
| Do you just pick out somebody at random and send them mail
| soliciting a trade? That seems almost rude, but how do you
| run into more experienced folks with big tapelists other than
| through pure chance? Picking up specific shows seems as easy
| as waiting for somebody to mention that they have it, or
| posting a specific request, but what if I just want more live
| Phish in general?
it's old, very recent, rare, or good quality... actually, with
just about any tape given the current size of the net, there are
bound to be many others doing the same thing. If every mention
of a tape gets mail responses of 30 requests for that tape, the
net is going to see a HUGE loss of discussions of tapes people
have. That is, if netiquette cant keep up with growth of the net,
the net is going to experience some qualitative losses.
than a general "can I have it" question. Send your list with a
few suggestions at the top; dont just suggest something, cause if
the person has it, he may ignore your request. Dont expect an
answer immediately, and BY ALL MEANS dont hound for an answer;
even that takes time. It may not happen the same day or week; may
take two weeks, but after that you should try again or forget it.
================================================
Sometimes, it seems hard to get something from nothing, but
you've got a few things going for you. First of all, the
generosity of folks on the net. Watch the net for periodic
"beginner tape offers" and "reverse tape grovels." Details
relevant to each are usually explained with the posting. It might
involve trading, but will probably just require you to send money
or blanks and postage. There's also the possibility to be a leaf
on a tree even if you dont have tapes; in fact, that's a great
place to be on a tree!
And, hey! If you have many tapes (over 50? 100!? 200!?!) post a
message and offer this service to the first five, ten, or fifteen
folks that respond. Have them send you blanks and tape some of
your best for them! You'll be glad you did!
{Phish specific material deleted}
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In general netiquette trading terms, the following seem
unless you've agreed otherwise. Don't use dolby unless you've
agreed otherwise (since it cant be undone). Write on the back of
the cassette labels slip unless you've mentioned or asked about
writing on the J-cards. Knock out tabs after recording. And
REUSE YOUR MAILING ENVELOPES!! Them suckers take up landfill
space like... well... something voluminous!
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{*****DUE to the technicality of sections E-1 through E-4 of the }
{ Phish.FAQ, I've decided not to include it here. If you are }
{ interested in learning more about this topic(levels, azimuth }
{ adjustment, and dolby specifics), the Phish.FAQ can be }
{ requested at }
{ -Rick }
{Question E-4 is a more or less Phish specific question, but the }
{ethics of the question do apply to taping the Dave Matthews Band. }
{At this point, I do not know if Dave Matthews will continue allowing}
{taping, as openly as he has, after his CD is released, we can only }
{hope for the best. Please send your answers/suggestions directly to}
{Ellis of Lemuria, jeg5s@virginia.edu. }
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E-4: PATCHING IN etiquette (not answered yet)
We need input from tapers (to jeg5s@virginia.edu) to construct an
answer to this. I realize that there are enormous demands, and
far too little thanks, laid at the feet of tapers, but I also
realize that many of them, at one time or another, have only been
able to patch in. So... what's ok?
|I'm considering the purchase of a DAT deck to tape at Phish and
|other shows, now that I've realized how fun it is to have live
|music around the house. What's the etiquette involved in
|patching into somebody else's deck who has a better setup than
|you? Or into a soundboard? Is it considered appropriate only to
|patch into somebody that you know, or can you just go up to a
|random taper or soundboard guy and ask him/her if you can patch
|into his stuff?
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E-5: DCC and DAT, compared and considered
| Hey has anybody used or bought the new digital tape
| format type decks? [some text deleted...] Does this deck
| sound as good as a DAT?
I think it may be time for a new FAQ entry... :-)
Both DCC (Digital Compact Cassette by Philips) and MD (Mini Disc
by Sony) use a lossy compression method. Not all of the
original signal will be retained when making copies onto DCC or
MD. Whether or not it is audibly noticeable may depend on many
things, such as the compression and decompression algorithms, the
audio equipment, or the listener. The music is also likely to
deteriorate as it goes through multiple generations. For a
digital format, I believe that this is totally unacceptable.
Quality of good music should not be sacrificed when not
necessary. At the moment, DAT is the only format (besides PCM
which is somewhat obsolete now) that allows accurate digital
reproduction at a reasonable price, and I recommend DAT over DCC
or MD. The prices of DAT decks and tapes are generally
comparable or cheaper than DCC or MD, and either (or both) DCC or
MD will probably die out soon. As Philips has recently said in a
said that better myself! Go DAT!!!
|Are DAT decks soon to be a thing of the past?
Soon? No- DAT is entrenched in the professional and high-end
consumer market. Eventually? Yes- once mass storage technology
drastically improves. That should take a while though, so don't
put off buying a DAT deck waiting for that... Jens
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collection of diligently assembled & creatively presented info
may be copied by any means, as long as 1 the file is always
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THIS ENDS THE MINARETS.FAQ.FILE.
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388 administator for the minarets
harrisonburg, va 22807 faq file and lyrics file.
it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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last night
btanen@husc.harvard.edu Sun Nov 14 22:11:13 1993
Who wants to post the setlist to the Trinity show? It would be appreciated.
--Ben
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------
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DMB on TV
jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Mon Nov 15 00:24:55 1993
This mayhave already been here...I havent hada chance to check my
mail...DMB was on Charlottesville local news (Dateline on
WVIR...way low tech) tonight.Many clips of on-stageness.Bits of
interview with Dave.Some clips with some ofthe 400 folks that
waitedoutside Plan 9 to get a disc and get in signed.
I'm assumingthat, as usual, Dateline will get re-aired around1:30
am. Ifit happens, Ill have cords wired from the TV to catch the
DMB segment for filler onthose tree tapes that havent been mailed
yet.
BTW, a third of the tree should be well underway, as close to
halfof the tapes for branchparents have been mailed. The
remainder are of two sorts. Those that Ive found will be getting
theirs in the mail pronto to complete the tree. Those that
aren't answering, I dont have an address and I'm not into taking
risks anymore. I'll pick let orphans know who they are within
a few days and place them in the structure. Alltold., the
tree shouldbe completed 10 days from now. Slow, but larger than I
thought, and the first for this net.
--
Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903
-- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology
-- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ File
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uh, wottong?
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Mon Nov 15 03:48:46 1993
this is the second time i've done this, so i'm really sorry about
the waste, but "WOTTONG@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU"?
your mail bounced again.
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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i hate true reflections....so what?
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Mon Nov 15 04:39:12 1993
this is mainly directed towards kerry about so blatently(sp?)
destroying lover. not everyone hates that song. like i said,
i hate true reflections, and i'm not terribly fond of satellite.
but i don't publicly flame the band for playing either one.
obviously, i like lover, and i was one of the people who asked.
the reason dave hasn't been playing halloween lately(this is just a
guess) is because he has no voice right now. he's had a cold for
about two weeks and we can all see how difficult a song halloween
is to sing, and he did play drive in, drive out and halloween
three weeks ago at trax.
also, i think it was keller who mentioned something about the 'babble'
that we know and love. us pholks here at jmu call it 'dave talk' and
i feel like that's a pretty cool way to refer to it.
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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DMB tree prelist
dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu Mon Nov 15 12:20:22 1993
Here's the list of names I have for the 10/26 Trax Dave Matthews tree.
The tree will be posted later this week. Please check your name and
email address and let me know if it is incorrect.
Thanks,
Dave - dforbis@birch.ee.vt.edu
Aaron Amosson aamosson@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Allan Keeton akeeton@ucsd.edu
Andrew Robertson anjrober@journalism.indiana.edu
Andy Zaff abz@world.std.com
Ben Sterling Nebuious@aol.com
Ben Tanen btanen@husc.harvard.edu
Bill Shaw bills@sco.com
Brett Kingswell bmking@mail.wm.edu
Brian Kreowski kreowskw@ava.bcc.orst.edu
Brian Lipman chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Charlie Whittaker caw9c@dayhoff.med.Virginia.edu
Chip Lange clange@ea.com
Chris Forinash cvf@nwu.edu
Craig Iannazzi cpi92380@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Daniel W Schar dan@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu
Danny Rillera dgr@chem.ucsd.edu
Darren Cokin cokin@scf.usc.edu
David Bader dbader@eng.umd.edu
David Plunkett st002314@brownvm.brown.edu
Doug Maclin maclin@brahms.udel.edu
Ed Sapir sapire@carleton.edu
Emily Conjura conjuraem@urvax.urich.edu
Eric Doherty Edoherty@Macalstr.edu
Eric Handler st201383@Brownvm.Brown.Edu
Eric Hesse ewhesse@amherst.edu
Gary Shank p30gds1@mvs.cso.niu.edu
Graham Spice gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu
Harley Ferguson hbf1@lehigh.edu
Jamie Treworgy jamie@access.digex.com
Jay Flaherty fty@ornl.gov
Jeremy of Aglide JEROTTON@apollo.davidson.edu
Jeremy Lew jlew@buffalo.trystero.com
Jerry Malloy malloy@osprey.hac.com
Jim Meagher meagherja@urvax.urich.edu
Jim Pollock JimmieRow@aol.com
Jonathan Epstein jepstein@titan.ucs.umass.edu
Jonathan Wolfe x47721a3@usma10.usma.edu
Joseph A Vastola Jr vastolj@alleg.edu
Keller Foster fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
Kerry Kriger kmk4g@virginia.edu
Kim Long klong@sura.net
Libby Wilson libby@progress.com
Lizard Man dalton@isidis.colorado.edu
Mark Hamilton hamilton@email.unc.edu
Matt Vernon mfv@ulysses.att.com
Matt Wallenstein MD_Wallenste@acad.fandm.edu
Merc Pittinos mercp@acpub.duke.edu
Nat May namay@apollo.davidson.edu
Noel Cross noelc@microsoft.com
Rhett Baldwin jrbaldwi@eos.ncsu.edu
Rick Thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
Rob Allen akcs.rob24@vpnet.chi.il.us
Rob Walker rgw@sunbar.mc.duke.edu
Robert McMullen robert@askinc.ask.com
Rody Biggert biggert@mail.bucknell.edu
Sami Kitmitto kitmitto@students.wisc.edu
Scott Brannan sbrannan@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Scott Shurr face@world.std.com
Scott Sirotkin gt0004b@prism.gatech.edu
Shawn Peters gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
Steve Mayer nmayer@uva386.schools.virginia.edu
Tilden White tilden@mickey.eng.gulfaero.com
Timothy J Richter tjr2g@virginia.edu
Timothy Navabi navabit@alleg.edu
Tony Manning AMANNING@Gems.VCU.edu
Trog Martian Trog.Martian@f856.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Warren Goodrich goodrwh9@ac.wfu.edu
Will Seay SEAWA@RHODES.BITNET
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album
PHELPSWIL@URVAX.BITNET Mon Nov 15 14:28:58 1993
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Trinity
jcrother Mon Nov 15 15:03:04 1993
WOW
WOW
WOW
WOW
Does that emphasize it enough; maybe one more
WOW
Okay, that should do it. Since Ben and Gnome Boy took care of Boston and
I pretty much covered Northhampton I guess all that's left is the Trinity
show. I apologize for I don't have the set list (I rarely write the set
list down during the show-more fun just to listen to the music and worry
about names later) I'll listen to the tapes tomorrow sometime and see how
they sound and write down the setlist.
they started late but that wasn't there fault. There was some Alumni
Banquet in the room where they werer playing so they had to wait until
that was over before setting up. A good energetic set followed and a
large crowd was there. Trinity is only about 2000 people (I think) but
there were at least 500 people at the show-for the beginning at least. I
suppose this had something to do with the fact that you paid $10 and got
all the free beer you wanted! And they must have rolled in 30 kegs
berfore the show. That was gone by the middle of the second set.
Needless to say, there were alot of drunk people there. There seems to be
an attraction between Dave and drunk college kids. :) Beer was being
thrown everywhere (including my deck) but even that didn't hinder the
spirtualness of the show. The room was cool in the fact that there was no
security and smoking was very easy. Dave took me on a couple of nice
trips. During 'typical' Dave ended up controlling the whole crowd with an
impressive version. Overall a very good show and a good turnout for there
first time in New England. Hope they come back SOON.
alex Crothers
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Miscellaneous
STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET Mon Nov 15 17:19:07 1993
After the recent flames concerning Reid's friends review of the album, I
would just like to say, "Can't we all just get along." Granted some of
the responses to Reid's post were uncalled but Ithink this is because to
many of us hardcore Daveheads that review was a personal attack. I know
I would have responded the same way Rick and Gregg did and thus chose not to
Anyway, I think this flaming will discourage people from posting on the net
in the future for noone wants to be abused like this. Currently, there are
only about a dozen or so people who post regularly on this net. And yet there
are many more who subscribe. (Am I right, Alex?) Why is this? Might they
intimidated. Someone in the last digest wrote something along the lines of
not needing to be a Guru to post on this net and I think we should stress
this point. Rather than alienate potiental fans why not encourage them.
I'm sure these people have lot's of questions and comments which would
most likely produce some interesting discussion. There was also a remark
how many individuals on the net assume everything they know is common knowledge
and should be if you have ever heard the band. Consequently, alot of this
information is dismissed and not discussed and those who don't know it are
an interesting story someone knows about where the original name came from
and why it was changed. Anyway, the point of all this is to be open minded
about others opinions and not to constantly criticize each other for things
like grammar, spelling, etc.
On the subject of LeRoi, a recent post read that he was becoming more
consistent. I would have to agree with this statement. He has been very
consitent of late. Why? Who Knows. Maybe the new album has made him take
the band more serioussly. Perhaps the band handed down some ultimatum along
the lines of shape up or ship out. I read something similar about Smashing
Pumpkin drummer Jimmy Chamberlin in Rolling Stone. He was a big partyer and
after he disapeared for six days w/o a word they told him to get his shit
together or find a new band. He did and has done some of his best work since.
I have always been very critical of LeRoi's playing but after seeing him at
Trax on the 2nd I take it all back. I just hope he continues to kick my ass
like he did that night.
a few points/questions.
prescence (Dave Talk), and his guitar work become more enthralling(for lack
of a better word) with each show.
of the band. Coincidentally, these posts came from people who were seeing
the band for the first time. (correct me if I'm wrong) The first few times
I saw DMB I had the same impression of Boyd and his prescence in the band.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Boyd is fantastic but my opinions on this
the most the first time you saw the band? How about now? Why? and last but
not least who is the leader in your eyes?
Brett
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Miscellaneous
budkee@unvax.union.edu Mon Nov 15 18:17:59 1993
impressed you the most the first time you saw the band? How about
now? Why? and last but not least who is the leader in your eyes?
Brett
a) Boyd and the horn player. Didn't know Boyd's name for a few days
after the show. Eventually I will get their names down.
b) Well, it has only been once, but I have listened to the tape,
trying to see why you all think this is God's gift to VA :) But, to
me those two still are it for me. Though their role has decreased
because of the acoustics of the place, and what was picked up on tape.
Basically Dave was a non-entity at the show. I felt that the band
could have gotten along just fine without him. Their jams sort of
swung, but I didn't see any of the reason for that being Dave. And he
sounds like a weird combo of different singers (some alive, some
dead), that for me didn't fit that well, or sound too good.
c) I didn't really see a leader.
--
Eric Budke Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Committee) Schenectady NY 12308
(518)388-6446 518-388-5615
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Trinity set list
EWHESSE@AMHERST.BITNET Mon Nov 15 23:12:13 1993
Here is the set list from Saturday night (11/13/93) at Trinity College in
Hartford, CT. This is in response to Ben's request and I'm sure others
--I--
One Sweet World
Trippin' Billies
Granny
Help Myself
Minarets into
Blue Water into !!
Typical Situation
Lover Lay Down
True Reflections
--Solo--
Just for Tonight
--II--
Ants Marching
Satellite
-tape 1-
What Would You Say?
JimiThing into
Seek Up !!
-filler on 7/21/93 II Flood Zone-
As Alex has said this show was hot! So are the tapes! Alex and I both have
really nice DATs of this performance. If you'd like a copy drop me a line. I'm
pretty busy with work and taping but I can do one for a couple people.
Preferably analog because my friend is busy doing some DAT trading right now
Yes, the second set is short but the JimiThing Seek Up is a nice nug of a fill
The band was by no means ending when the lights abruptly and irrevocably
came on as Dave strummed the opening rhythm to Watchtower. First set highlights
include the Blue Water Baboon Farm into Typical Situations. I told Dave after
the show how appreciative I was for its return to its right and natural
place behind Minarets. I really think that he Minarets jam naturally
disintegrates into the beginning of Blue Water. I'd liked the addendum of
Typical alot. I miss the intro into Ants in which the whole band jams
around climbing and descending scales (check out 10/6/93 or 9/1/93 both at
the Flood Zone). It's really funky and has a nice groove to it. Has anyone
gotten one recently? Well, back to work. I hope the set list whets some
appetites!
Eric
"Rumors insisted he soon would be
for his deviations
taken into custody
by the authorities less informed than he..."
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A LONG (but I hope interesting) story.
btanen@husc.harvard.edu Tue Nov 16 00:07:28 1993
a story about a friend of mine who was recently introduced to and now
loves the DMB.
friend who was coming in from Emory (Barry), and hang out (yeah, say hi to
the family, too!). I did not want to go alone, but fortunately a friend
(Lisa) was interested in going too as her older sister lives and works in
NYC and they wanted to get together. We took a bus down from Boston on
Friday afternoon, went directly to the Samples show at Irving Plaza. I
met up with my friend who had brought some friends too. We all drove home
together in Barry's car and since Lisa and I had been up for over 40 hours
straight, we were nodding out (not Barry, though!).
was directly from the DAT that Barry made with his then-new portable DAT
recorder (yeah!). Well, I don't know if anyone else in netland was there
that night but it was a fun and incredible evening of music (I'm sure I've
mentioned this before!). So its playing in the car, and Barry is talking
to me and we are talking about that night and other stuff . . . and then
Watchtower comes on. Well, for someone who has never heard the guys do it
it can come as a shock as you say, "Wait a second, I know this song." And
of course, it is an excellent moment when the whole band comes ripping
into the tune (especially when they've got the added firepower of Warren
Haynes, as they did that night." Well, Lisa was hooked.
given me five tapes to hold me over until we can set up more trades (he
has no email access yet, and other methods are too expensive and slow!).
because it certainly didn't look like they were going to be in New England
all that soon. I bought a ticket to the ARU show soon after it went on
sale, before DMB was even playing. When I found out, I told Lisa but she
was planning on going back to her school (Deerfield Academy) for some
alumni thing which was going on last weekend. As it happens, Deerfield is
close to Northampton so maybe she could go the Thursday night show at
Pearl Street and not miss things at school. Nope-- no one else could go.
getting a crash course in ARU last week.
especially with Apt. Q258 and Carter playing together. So on Saturday,
she went to Deerfield and we both figured that would be it.
at Saturday's show. She and a friend were sitting around at about 8 on
Saturday and they just decided to drive down to Hartford. Even with
getting lost and trying to park, they did not miss a note as the show
started quite late (she said around 11pm).
STAGE AFTER THE INTRO TO WATCHTOWER!!!!!!!!
hmm. what was the point of this story again?
well, hope in was mildly interesting, at least.
also, who can see the stereogram on the album cover. It's so cool when
you see it!
Ben
"The leaves seen through my windowpane
remind me that it's time to move my life again.
November sun is felt by none,
a chilly breeze has blown my thoughts to what's to come."
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------
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One more thing . . .
btanen@husc.harvard.edu Tue Nov 16 01:22:27 1993
I NEED A DECEMBER SCHEDULE!!!
I JUST HEARD ABOUT A NEW YORK DATE AT IRVING PLAZA ON THE 10TH, BUT I NEED
A FULL SCHEDULE. (sorry for yelling, but I wanted to get your attention)
thanks all
--Ben
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------
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Dave Matthews is SIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jcrother Tue Nov 16 02:21:51 1993
It's official.
Dave Matthews Band signed with RCA
Not much more I can say.
Don't know all the details but really those don't matter.
This may make some people upset, others it will make happy.
Hope it makes more people happy than upset.
alex Crothers
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DMB NYE show!!!!!!!!!!!!
jcrother Tue Nov 16 02:40:52 1993
I'm just full of wonderful information today (thanks to someone and she
knows who she is)
Again, it "offfical"-the Dave Matthews Band will do a New Year's Eve bash
in Richmond, VA.
This show will be similar to last years.
For forty bucks you get all you can drink from 9-1 (1:30?) *PLUS* DMB.
What was that connection between Dave and drunk people again?? :)
"One of the few guaranteed good times on New Years."
Its at the Marriott Ballroom with capacity for 2500.
Alex Crothers
ps-not sure how tix will be handled yet but there may be some sort of way
to get them through minarets. More information forthcoming.
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Re: MINARETS digest 28
jcrother Tue Nov 16 11:23:37 1993
The live tracks on the album are good, but if I had gone to that show
I woul have left thinking maybe the band was tired. Sort of like the
shows right before the band took a break some time in september. I
think the live tracks should have been a collection of the best songs
from the best shows. Maybe a disappointment for us, since we already
have them, but good for the album. Some of the live songs sound like
Dave is trying to hold back--and who wants that?
You make a good point (whoever this is, sorry, I deleted your name)
but..........hopefully what I ahve to say will give you a little more
insight into the situation. Maybe the band was tired, maybe they wanted
the songs to be 'perfect' (or as close as live works can get to
'perfect'), who knows but the point about putting the best songs from the
best shows would be impossible. You see, DMB (Jeff) doesn't have a DAT
and when they record they record everything on analog. So it would be
impossible to "pick" the best songs from the "best" shows. The shows on
the album were planned and the band knew they were being recorded for
the album. (Jeff told me what they were taped on but I can't remember-it
was loud, dark, confusing. A four track or eight tract or something like
that, I'll ask him more next week) This may account for the reason why Dave
sounds "strained" (as a number of people have commented) Dave and the band
knew they were being taped for the album so that probably subconsciously
influenced their music that night. Is any of this making any sense??? It
makes perfect sense in my mind but I'm not sure if I'm relaying it that well.
Hopefully you all understand what I'm saying and understand why the album
is the way it is--good or bad, depending on your own opinion.
alex Crothers
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re: alex's recent post
btanen@husc.harvard.edu Tue Nov 16 11:33:23 1993
Maybe they ought to get a DAT, record everything, and then they could pick
the best stuff. I'd like that. I want another live album already.
-Ben
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------
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Subscribers
jcrother Tue Nov 16 11:36:00 1993
Anyway, I think this flaming will discourage people from posting on the net
in the future for noone wants to be abused like this. Currently, there are
only about a dozen or so people who post regularly on this net. And yet there
are many more who subscribe. (Am I right, Alex?) Why is this? Might they
intimidated.
Brett
That's a good point. It seems like I see the same people posting digest
after digest. I guess it's no big deal, but it is kinda strange that
with over 90 subscribers only 10 or so ever post anything. That's cool
though. On Phish.Net I listen/read for the first month or so before I
ever posted anything. People shouldn't be scared though.
alex Crothers
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Re: MINARETS digest 28
jcrother Tue Nov 16 11:45:00 1993
Consequently, alot of this
information is dismissed and not discussed and those who don't know it are
an interesting story someone knows about where the original name came from
and why it was changed.
Maybe this is something for the FAQ?????????????????????????????
the most the first time you saw the band? How about now? Why? and last but
not least who is the leader in your eyes?
Of course this is always going to be Boyd. He has such a comanding
stage presence and such a strong instrument that he will inevitable always
draw a newcomer's attention. He's just that kind of person. But after
listening to them for awhile (maybe even by the end of the show) you start
to realize Dave and his importance. Not to say anyone is more or less
important than the others but Dave tends to hold my attention more now
than when I first saw them. About a leader; not sure. It IS THE *Dave
Matthews* Band but still I think the music is a reflection of them all and
noone in particular. That's what makes a band good. I see no leader in
Phish and they do a pretty good job.
alex Crothers
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Re: MINARETS digest 28
jcrother Tue Nov 16 11:48:47 1993
I NEED A DECEMBER SCHEDULE!!!
I JUST HEARD ABOUT A NEW YORK DATE AT IRVING PLAZA ON THE 10TH, BUT I NEED
A FULL SCHEDULE. (sorry for yelling, but I wanted to get your attention)
thanks all
--Ben
SORRY, BUT THERE IS NO 'OFFICIAL' DECEMBER SCHEDULE YET. THE IRVING PLAZA
AND NYE SHOW ARE ALL THAT ARE RELEASED RIGHT NOW. I'LL LET EVERYONE KNOW
AS SOON AS I HEAR. cool??
alex Crothers
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why i think dave is the leader...
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Tue Nov 16 13:10:16 1993
have a few minutes to spare, and on the prompting of brett's post,
i decided i would share with everybody why i think dave really is
the leader of this band. take it for what you will...
the first time i saw the dave matthews band sometime in the spring
of 1991, his guitar playing was the very first thing about the
entire band that really blew me away. dave matthews uses some of
the most intricate fingerings and some of the most complex jazz
chords i've ever seen in a flood zone/trax bar band type of arrangement.
i stood on the balcony of the flood zone and just watched his hands
for songs like tripping billies and so much to say and said, "wow,
how the f**k is he doing that?" then i heard minarets for the first
time, and simply could not understand how he could make a guitar sound
like that with only one guitar and only two hands.
i know that a lot of this has little to no meaning for somebody
who doesn't play guitar, but belive me, dave is a phenomenal _rhythm_
guitarist. he rarely rips off any real lead lines, and when he does,
they aren't really that impressive, but that's why boyd is there.
in regards to eric's comments that he could see the band just fine
without dave's guitar(and this is _not_ a flame, it's just my
effort to discuss that comment), i don't think we could even listen
to songs like warehouse, so much to say, minarets, what would you say,
and ants marching, among countless others, without the driving force of
dave's rhythmn line. some songs, rhyme or reason being the only one
that comes to mind right of hand, sound better without a guitar line
(but i might add that dave's solo rhyme or reason, with nothing but
guitar, is just as good as the full band's drum oriented version.)
also, as far as i know, dave has written every song that the band does,
except for people, people(dave matthews and peter greisar); true
reflections(boyd tinsley); and the song that jane likes(dave matthews
and mark roebuck). this would include both the lyrics and the music,
which everyone builds around as they see fit. personally, i find that
songwriting is one of the most important aspects of a band, and i really
would like the opportunity to sit down with not only dave, but other
members of the band and talk specifically about the songwriting process,
but i doubt that it's something that they would openly talk about.
this all comes from an aspiring musician and songwriter, so i don't
expect everyone to agree or to be able to relate to what i'm saying.
i realize that a lot of people respect the whole band's ability to
stay united through a long jam, and i even agree. personally, i like
the fact that dave doesn't play that much towards the end of #36 or
through the jam of jimi thing. but i think that the overall feel of
the dave matthews band is dave matthews.
======================================================================
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jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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need some venue info please
JEROTTON@DAVIDSON.BITNET Tue Nov 16 13:27:12 1993
I was just curious to know if any of you phellow DAVE phans are planning
on travelling to Charleston,SC and Athens,GA this weekend. DMB band will
be playing at the Music Farm in Charleston and at the GA Theatre in Athens.
I for one am planning on making the trip....but i was wondering if anyone
out there knew some groovy directions to avoid hassles and many U-turn
hang a left--next stoplight--where in the world am i type situations..??
Also...how is the Music Farm ??..Has DMB played there before ??..is it
a cool location...just some random curiosity....email me back with some
information if you've got it...hope too see you all there...
thanx a million
-----but you can walk on with me,
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Re: MINARETS digest 28
@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU:ST002314@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU Tue Nov 16 13:48:05 1993
i was definitely the most impressed with dave the first time i saw the band,
but this may be because it was years ago before boyd even joined. oddly enough
the sound of the band has not changed that dramatically since boyd joined. . .
it is just a little better! dave
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NAME THIS TAPE
fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu Tue Nov 16 15:54:50 1993
Q, IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES. CAN ANYONE HELP IN FINDING THE EXCACT LOCATION
MUST BE EITHER FLOOD OR TRAX. DAVE SAYS THAT HE " IS STILL SUFFERING FROM
THIS DAMN FLU" AND THAT RECENTLY " IS ABOUT RECENT HISTORY". ALSO HE SAYS
THAT NOT ALL OF THE BAND HAS PLAYED SPOTLIGHT BUT BECUASE OF THE SMALL
CROWD THEY WILL TRY IT. ANY IDEAS? PROBALLY AROUND A YEAR AND A HALF
TO TWO YEARS AGO. DOES ANYONE ELE HAVE THIS TAPE?
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Irving Plaza
chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu Tue Nov 16 16:01:49 1993
I read in the newest Village Voice that DMB will be playing at Irving Plaza
on December 10th.
Wow, they are moving up quickly. I hope they get a good turnout, I'll be
there (School ends that Tuesday) and I just can't wait. I guess as the
show date gets closer we will have a better idea of the number of net
representatives there.
Well, one more time, I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!
:-
Brian
inside to play some foosball. -Slater |
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Brian Lipman \---------- @ @ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Northwestern University \------ ! Well, I guess I should play
Allison 3002, 1820 Chicago Ave | \ / some shit you guys know
Evanston, Illinois 60201-3856 | \__/ afterall, because the people
-------------------------------- here at Wetlands are paying me.
I'm Hungry. Let's get a taco.-Mr. White tonight. -John Popper 6.24.93
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members of the band
devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Tue Nov 16 18:03:29 1993
When I first started getting into DMB, boyd was not yet a member. This was early
summer '91. I think that it was actually carter who impressed me the most in
those early shows. They would play at the Eastern Standard evry tuesday then.
There was no cover, and they didn't card, so for a seventeen year old, that was
really nice. Carter would greet people who he knew as they came in the door.
It was not unusual to see him put one drumstick in his mouth, keep a great beat,
and shake hands with an aquaintance as they came in the door and passed by his set. I remember what I THINK was Boyd's first show with the band. Mid-summer of
the same year? Does this sound right to others who know a lot about early
band trivia? What I remember most about that show is that they played Watchtower
and it absolutely blew me away. They must have jammed it out for fifteen or
twenty minutes, Boyd took an amazing solo, and the overall intensity was
extremely high. There is no question that he is an incredible performer. But I
don't feel that there is a particular leader in the band. I've seen all the members take leading roles on various nights. For instance, seeing Stephan take
the Jimi Thing jam into Walk on the Wild Side on march 17th '93 at Trax.
Or watching Dave and Carter groove together, or Boyd and Leroi throw lines
back and forth at eachother. I am still often blown away by Boyd. I love his
raucus style, and the way that he plays his fiddle with his whole body. But
I actually think that, from a musical perspective, Leroi is more interesting.
I just think that, when I'm listening to tapes, Leroi's lines during solos are
more varied and intricate than Boyd's. But there is no denying that he isn't the
same kind of presence on stage that Boyd is. He doesn't have the same gift for
drawing the crowd into his playing that Boyd does.
I'll throw some in too.
A bowl for the cat, a bowl for the dog, a bowl for me . . .
Speaking of bowls for me . . . .
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Bayou/LeRoi
BH7N@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Tue Nov 16 18:11:03 1993
Hope to see some of you at the Bayou,
Kwon.
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Dave, leadership, and dieties.
Daniel_Gold@brown.edu Tue Nov 16 18:50:10 1993
Firstly, Dave does grow on you without a doubt. His singing style, stage
prescence (Dave Talk), and his guitar work become more enthralling(for lack
of a better word) with each show.
i figured as much. so many folks rave about dave. i didn't see that much
amazingness at the boston show, but i think that's because my only referent
for DaveTalk is that one show. i don't have anything else to compare it
to. i couldn't tell that his vox were jams in themselves, although i know
they were. and his guitar-- really, i hardly heard it in the music. it
seemed that the other instuments carried the song while dave's guitar was a
background instrument. i will grow into it, i'm sure!
Secondly, a few of the posts mentionned Boyd as a "deity" and as the core
of the band.
i said he was a "diety" but i didn't say he was the core (others said
that). that's not what i meant to imply, hence my mentions of each member
and his qualities. perhaps they're all dieties (not literally...). i'd
say that of WSP.
not least who is the leader in your eyes?
Dave. he seemed in charge of the setlist. and, he had the presence of a
conductor of an orchestra. during jams, he'd turn to face the others in
order to give cues and keep everything cohesive.
love,daniel
----------gnome boy--------------
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Re: UVA
kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Wed Nov 17 01:44:01 1993
Please realize that not EVERYONE at Trax on a Tuesday night sucks--only about
90% of the people.
--Kerry
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Re: UVA
budkee@unvax.union.edu Wed Nov 17 02:21:43 1993
Please realize that not EVERYONE at Trax on a Tuesday night sucks--only about
90% of the people.
Ah, that place is so popular, no one goes there anymore
--
Eric Budke Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Committee) Schenectady NY 12308
(518)388-6446 518-388-5615
God Street Wine and Allman Brothers Mailing list administrator
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7-6-93 Setlist and Bayou Question
gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Wed Nov 17 09:16:36 1993
1) Does anyone have the setlist to the 7-6-93 show at Trax?
2) Does the Bayou usually sell out for DMB shows? I was thinking about
going to the Nov. 27 show there. If so, is there a number that one can call
to get tickets?
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trax
pmcfalls@SEI.CMU.EDU Wed Nov 17 12:40:48 1993
mathews for awhile. i spent two years at uva, and heard dmb from when he
first began, and always liked him. however, i had no idea that he would be
doing so well, and i think that it is great. i remember him before boyd, and
with boyd, boyd is a great addition to the band imo. yes i was in a fraternity
there, and he played in our house but we were all not that bad as previously
mentioned. in fact, i though that we were pretty mellow ;-). i remember him
playing in our back lot and on other people's porches. it was a great time.
put on one year, where dmb, blues traveller, and indecision played. this was
one of the greatest musical experiences that i have ever witnessed. all of the
bands were killer. this was maybe a couple of years ago on some random
hillside outside of charlottesville, and everything seemed so local, and
mellow. i don't know if you all can understand. a sunny day on some hillside
with indecision blaring away and dave and the boys with boyd going off. it was
such a great moment, and i loved it. and there will be many more to come.
my sister for thanksgiving next tuesday and i hope to catch dave at trax. i am
going to meet some old friends and overall, it should be killer!!;-)) i'll see
you all there if he is playing.
got no telecommunications, cable hasn't gotten out this way- widespread
phishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishyphishy
a little wrangler was born, got him in the saddle all wet and warm,
such a change of a form, his very first year
upon the blue ridge mountains, here i'll take my stand
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TAPES: Red Rocks? Please?
daveh@shell.portal.com Wed Nov 17 13:49:35 1993
Does anyone out there have tapes (or know where I could get tapes) of the Red
Rocks Amphitheatre show on Sunday, September 19th? I'd love to have tapes (of
any quality) from that show... Thanks.
P.S. Have a nice day.
--
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Some commands you may want to know-
jcrother Wed Nov 17 17:11:52 1993
These are a list of commands that may be useful in the future.
Rick, could you add these to the FAQ somewhere?
thanks
let me know if you have any questions, problems, or toothpaste?
alex Crothers
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Send these commands to listproc@moose.uvm.edu as the first line in the
body of your e-mail message. In the examples below.....
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Re: MINARETS digest 29
jcrother Wed Nov 17 17:30:13 1993
i figured as much. so many folks rave about dave. i didn't see that much
amazingness at the boston show, but i think that's because my only referent
for DaveTalk is that one show. i don't have anything else to compare it
to. i couldn't tell that his vox were jams in themselves, although i know
they were. and his guitar-- really, i hardly heard it in the music. it
seemed that the other instuments carried the song while dave's guitar was a
background instrument. i will grow into it, i'm sure!
I agree. At Boston, Dave (and the whole band for that matter) wasn't all
that crazy (for lack of a better word). At least playing by themselves.
Of course it is a entirely different story when they came on with ARU. But
seeing Dave at Trinity College remended me how much Dave can really play
and have fun. His interaction and control of the audience made me realize
that the Boston show (and Northampton) were not good representations of the
DMB.
alex Crothers
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Re: To Kwon
kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Wed Nov 17 17:35:35 1993
I'll be at the BAYOU over Thanksgiving; chances are I'll have on a Yankees
hat.
--Kerry
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interesting tidbit
STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET Wed Nov 17 19:06:54 1993
publication "Style":
is a raging sucess. Plan 9 (local record store with only 2 locations, one in
Richmond and one in Charlottesville) sold 1,500 copies in two days. The
Charlottesville-based band plays the Floodzone every Wednesday and is big
with the prep-school and University of Richmond crowds and their parents
shopping for Christmas presents. Rumor says Matthews is signing with RCA.
He's selling the current CD on consignment. Its last cut ends with the sounds
of rainfall and crickets. -
the 6900 block of Carnation Street and stuck a fork in the wall. -
Go figure. And thanks to all who answered my question about WSP earlier
today. I promise I wrote it down this time!
Fran Bradford
State Council of Higher Education
for Virginia
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Re: MINARETS digest 29
@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU:ST002314@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU Wed Nov 17 20:10:25 1993
does anyone know if the band will be playing the floodzone the night before
thanksgiving? i will be home for a while, and would love to catch it. dave
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messed up address...again...
SAPIRE@carleton.edu Thu Nov 18 01:56:01 1993
i think rick summed up pretty well, "why i think dave is the leader"
his comment about songwriting is right on, the rhythmes and structure
of the songs are so unique in comparison to what's out there
i remember hearing the band for the first few times and being blown away
by the CHANGES and how each section FLOWS (like sliding through the ether dave)
into the next its amazing stuff! but playng briefly in a band i know that
stuff like that comes from everyone
in the band, it's the little shit that's so cool
the subtleties
ever listen to Carter's highhat action!!!!!!!
mindblowing
soul tickling
funky shit
check out the maker or spotlight to name a few
anyway i also remember actually laughing at how funny dave's hands
look when he plays, a friend and i would stand, tounge gaping stare...
and wonder WHAT'S HE DOING??!!??
good stuff
actually alot of it can be simplyfied, moved down but the feel and the tone
would be totally lost.
no doubt!!
dave's key, but carter leaves me dizzy! and a smile no less!
alot of my friends here at school think dave sounds like kermit the frog
but they're mostly from Nevada or Utah so that explains that
dave range is huge and he slips in and out of
falsetto so easily,
great singer
great guitar player
great drums...
great band!!!!!
ed
sapire@carleton.edu
Later On We'll All Be Dancing
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Granny in Satellite
btanen@husc.harvard.edu Thu Nov 18 02:15:59 1993
I am listening to the 8/19/93 show from the Wetlands. They open with
satellite. In the part with just Dave and Boyd, the crowd is singing
"Love, Baby" just like the chorus part of Granny. Forgive my ignorance
but does this happen at every show? Well, every show at which they play
Satellite?
I cordially URGE you to get down to Irving Plaza on the tenth of December
for the show. It's a damn nice place to see a concert!
--Ben
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------
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floodzone 11/17/93
PHELPSWIL@URVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 10:30:05 1993
was last night at the Floodzone. Besides that, the badn had more energy than
I had seen in a long time. Of course I didn't bring a tapedeck to the show
so if anyone in the net did tape it please e-mail me and maybe we can work
some kind of deal. I noticed about five people plugged into the soundboard.
I'd really appreciate it.
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Love, Baby
devereux@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Thu Nov 18 15:09:29 1993
In response to Ben Tanen, I saw the wetlands show on the 30th of oct. this
year, and the crowd did exactly the same thing. I'd never heard them do that
at any of the shows I'd ever seen before. Of course, that was also my first tiseeing them outside virginia. Actually, I found it really annoying. The guys doing that refrain were so damned loud that it really interfered with the music.
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Love, Baby
budkee@unvax.union.edu Thu Nov 18 15:40:49 1993
In response to Ben Tanen, I saw the wetlands show on the 30th of
oct. this year, and the crowd did exactly the same thing. I'd never
heard them do that at any of the shows I'd ever seen before. Of
course, that was also my first tiseeing them outside
virginia. Actually, I found it really annoying. The guys doing that
refrain were so damned loud that it really interfered with the
music.
This is kinda funny. I was at that show also, and since there were so
many southerners there I just figured it was something everyone did at
the shows. It was my first time seeing them. I just sort of figured
it was what the Roman's did. Ah, well, later.
--
Eric Budke Union College Box 241
Fax (Subj. Concert Committee) Schenectady NY 12308
(518)388-6446 518-388-5615
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Floodzone Nov.17
MEAGHERJA@URVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 16:00:08 1993
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Re: Boston w/ ARU (more talk...) + influences
Daniel_Gold@brown.edu Thu Nov 18 16:05:46 1993
I agree. At Boston, Dave (and the whole band for that matter) wasn't all
that crazy (for lack of a better word). At least playing by themselves.
Of course it is a entirely different story when they came on with ARU.
i guess it was mostly pre-planned who would come out w/ARU when. i wonder
how Dave and Stephan felt about not playing, too. i can see how it
wouldn't have worked, but during the show i kept wondering if Stephan would
come out and do either dueling basses w/ Oteil or if Stephan would at least
come play some standard rythm bass while Oteil went off on some crazy
leads. And Dave-- i thought he might come out and sing some cover song or
something. i wonder also if those two were out in the audience watching
the show. how could they stand to miss it? i, of course, couldn't see if
they were out there as i was crouched right in front.
What music do the members of DMB listen to? what do they list as their
individual influences? just curious, i thouught it might make for good
discussion, and maybe turn us on to some new artists...
love,daniel
-----------gnome boy-------------
following tradition, i quote Widespread Panic [an odd habit of folks on
this net, but a habit i enjoy! besides, i can't quote any DMB except from
the album, and most of you know those words] :
"In the easy chair with my boots on
Melted whiskey in my hand
I couldn't have been asleep for more than three hours
Time to go to work again"
Time to get back to work...
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anybody seen digest 25 around these parts?
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 16:58:07 1993
hey phriends... i never got digest 24, and if we ever get an archive
site up and running, i'd like it to be as complete as possible. if
anybody still has it, could you please forward it to me?
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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floodzone on tg and satellite/granny
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 17:46:42 1993
first, yes, dave is playing thanksgiving week at both trax and flood-
bit to my left of dave(so i can get a clear view of his hands;).
second, i've never heard about this granny/satellite combo, but it
seems like a pretty cool idea. maybe it's just a wetlands thing.
who knows...
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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Love, Baby!
COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 17:53:21 1993
"Granny" and when people sing the refrain along with the band it just
adds to the excitement and enthusiasm which was intended for the
crowd. Singing along in that song, I should know, because I do it all
the time, is just one way to get pumped up over the incredible music
and I think if one joins in then he'll find it is much more exciting.
The Band sings that refrain loud enough to compensate for any
participation from the crowd. So in response to the annoyed concert
goer at Princeton, all I can say is "I can't stop...I'll never stop!"
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the maker
WOTTONGM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 18:06:29 1993
Can someone give me some info on "the Maker". Does the band still play it
or did they quit when Peter left? It's one of my favorites. I also under-
stand that it is not their song. Who wrote it?
Charlotte HORDE. One more thing- are there any Soul Hat fans out there?
Great band from Austin TX. They played HORDE in Red Rocks.
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Flood Zone the 24th
COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 18:52:01 1993
note to Rick...ummm, I hate to tell you, but that space just to the
left of Dave is MINE! In response to an earlier note about
influences, I know that Dave happens to love Peter Gabriel, and he
could possibly be an influence. I'll have to admit that I as well am
a Pete Gabriel aficionado, and I could easily see how he could be
influential.
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Love, Baby! oops!!!
COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 20:13:14 1993
Well, I just wanted to apologize to the guy from Princeton, Mr.
Devereau. I only caught on to the last part of the e-mail
correspondence and I thought that Mr. Devereau was upset that people
were singing along to Granny. I didn't realize they were singing
Granny or at least "Love...Baby" during Satellite. I concur that that
would be very annoying. Why not sing Satellite during Satellite? It
might be attributable to the fact that that refrain is one of the only
ones that is well known up in NYC and therefore when some drunk guy
started doing it, the rest of the drunks joined in. Sorry, Mr.
Devereau...I'm a fool.
Jamie Cog
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Re: MINARETS digest 30
gspice@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Thu Nov 18 21:12:15 1993
I think that the Drummer is the most amazing person I have ever seen in
concert. Sitting with a huge smile in Body-Glove suit or something,
Carter tears it up, smiling the whole time. What a badass. G.
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Floodzone 11-17-93
PONDWAYLA@URVAX.BITNET Thu Nov 18 21:53:03 1993
net and this is my first posting. Last night Dave Matthews played an
incredible show despite not going on until midnight. there was a opening
band called From Good Homes, they were pretty good. I thought DMB
might be a little mellower last night after a week of CD release shows in
Trax and Floodzone. But, was i wrong! The show rocked and I thought
Stefan jammed harder than I have ever seen him! Plus, Carter's drum solo
lead in to, yes Halloween, was rocking. I was truly amazed at the song
since i had never heard it live and constantly heard fans yelling for the
song. Well, we were rewarded last night! Just a little story for you.
Last Sunday i was on my way back to Richmond from Charlottesville and I
stopped in a gas station that had a Burger King connected to it. I was
eating when all of a sudden Carter walks in! I dropped my food and went
to talk to him. He is a great guy! then LeRoi and Dave showed up!
So here i was in a Burger King in Gordonsville, Va. talking three members
of the DMB. Great guys and it was a great experience! I hope their weekly
visits to the Floodzone will never end despite their popularity!
I am mad that i won't be able to go next week because i am going home for
break. Looking forward to the net!
wayland
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a curious bootleg
COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET Fri Nov 19 01:34:14 1993
I have a bootleg that I happen to like very much, but I have no idea
when and where it is from, so I was hoping someone could help me. My
bootleg starts out with "Love or Lay Down" and after that song Dave
complains about a fly. He humorously adds "it makes me think I'm
stinky." It also has a version of "Halloween" with a rather short
intro from Carter. Also, if I'm so lucky that someone has this, what
is the name of the fifth song which starts out with a harmonica solo.
Finally, does anybody know if Dave still does the "Song No. 34" which
is about the guy who was a member of the ANC? It's a very upbeat, fun
song, but I haven't heard it in a long time.
I would really appreciate any help.
Thanx,
Jamie Cogbill
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Re: F.Z. Nov. 17=DAT????
jcrother Fri Nov 19 14:23:08 1993
So who has the Floodxone Nov. 17 show on DAT?????
Sounded like a hot show even though no real official set list appeared (I
think, maybe it did and I forgot it).
Alex Crothers
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URGENT (before 23:00, 11/19/93)!
btanen@husc.harvard.edu Fri Nov 19 15:48:47 1993
Hey! ANyone who reads this message before 11pm on Friday night should
e-mail me a few sentences about what they think about the album.
DON'T BOTHER AFTER THAT!!!
--Ben
thanks all.
------------- Ben Tanen ------------- btanen@husc.harvard.edu -------------
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Re: the maker
kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Fri Nov 19 16:16:09 1993
About the maker, it is a Daniel Lanois song, and I haven't heard it since
Peter left.
--Kerry
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RE: Peter Gabriel, varied influences and tastes
Daniel_Gold@brown.edu Fri Nov 19 17:36:22 1993
In response to an earlier note about
influences, I know that Dave happens to love Peter Gabriel, and he
could possibly be an influence. I'll have to admit that I as well am
a Pete Gabriel aficionado, and I could easily see how he could be
influential.
yes, Peter Gabriel is wonderful. Check out _Passion_ (the soundtrack to
_The Last Temptation of Christ_). powerful drums, great rythms, unusual
instrumentation, some stuff resembling Minerats (it's that eastern sound,
although Passion is mid-eastern rather than russian).
i would imagine that all the members of DMB listened to totally different
music from one another. they mix these styles so fluently to create their
own sound. i have to admit, i was kinda surprised by the way they look and
act... not quite like the usual barrage of long-hairs in either all-black
or in tie-dyes that we see in jam-bands so often these days. i am just
supposing that the different looks result from different backgrounds,
scenes, and experiences, which would be reflected by a variety of musical
tastes. i kinda doubt that the Grateful Dead and the Allman Bros Band
would pop up at the top of a list of their earlier inspirations.
just some thoughts.... ya' know, the DIGEST format really keeps me behind.
love,daniel
-------gnome boy----------
"I was talkin' to a black man from Atlanta; he said 'The time has come to
take what's mine, and if i must bust some heads -- to achieve justice -- my
righteous cause will well explain the crime!' and that makes sense to me, I
must confess that that makes sense to me!" ---WSP
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Misc. comments and answers
STU_BEHORTON@JMUVAX.BITNET Sat Nov 20 02:14:51 1993
There were several questions in the last digest and since I have nothing
better to do on this saturday morning than my paper I thought I'd answer
a few of them. Firstly, the song "The Maker" was originally done by
Daniel Lanois. He has produced a few U2 albums but also has done some
solo work including a bizzarre french track on the Northrn Exposure
soundtrack. Anyway, I've never heard the original but according to Dave
its incredible and he prefers greatly to his own. This may explain why
he doesn't play it that often.
assume it is from the Floodzone before febuary of 93. The reason for this
is I have a Floodzone show from feb 17th and Dave keeps mentionning the
flies. He makes a comment about how they were there last time as well.
Hope that helps. Also, that's Peter(exkeyboardist) on the harmonica and
the song is So Much to Say.
covers. We all agreed that covers serve therepirpose but all too often
fail to live up the original The Maker for example. In my opinion this
is not the case with Watchtower. In fact, I must admit I feel its better
than Dylan's version as well as the Hendrix cover. It has to be one my
favorite covers. Why all this rambling? I just thought it would be
interesting if we struck up a discussion on the best and worst covers.
So what does everyone else think about this topic?
Well that's enough procratinating for now. Stick a fork in me, I'm done.
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11/19 show at Music Farm
SESMITH@DAVIDSON.BITNET Sat Nov 20 14:23:09 1993
I rarely get enough time off of work and school to go enjoy a good concert so
when I do, I expect to really enjoy myself. So, on 11/19 me and a couple of
friends set off to Charleston to see DMB at the Music Farm. We called the
place ahead of time and got all the info on the times, loc., etc. Therefore,
we would not be disappointed when we go there. Anyway, we set off from
Davidson, N.C. and drove about 3 1/2 hrs to Charleston. When we finally
Well, needless to say, we were all under 21 and unprepared for this. We tried
to reason with the doorman, but he just gave us false excuses. We told him we
were just going in to listen to the band and not to drink. He could of easily
given us all underage stamps and everything would have been fine. We finally
gave up and began the long trek home.
it used?
DMB frequents?
interested in the sale of liquor and nothing else, and other theories.
If anyone has answers to these questions or any thoughts on this, please reply.
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underage capacity
mlchang@sas.upenn.edu Sat Nov 20 16:30:48 1993
What with royalties and such, most venues make a good portion of their
profits off of the sales of alcoholic beverages.
Therefore, they would rather have 21-year-olds and over, who will likely
buy a beer or two and on top of that have also paid the ticket price, than
underagers who have only (and probably will only) paid the ticket price.
This is akin to the phenomenon of price inflation on concessions at movie
theatres. While movie theatres don't serve alcohol, they do serve $3
packs of Twizzlers, and they try to move as many as possible because
most of their ticket fees get paid to the big movie companies and they
don't realize much of a profit, even on those $7 evening shows.
I think it sucks too, but I guess that's life.
Melanie
P.S. - I would request from now on that posts which are not of general
interest--i.e. personal notes, comments on what your favorite song is and
when you heard it, etc, have some kind of a notation to that effect in the
title line, because I (and I'm sure many others) don't have time to read
all that stuff. Thanks.
May the wolves run by your side, not at your heels.
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"i net star-men"
Daniel_Gold@brown.edu Sun Nov 21 01:59:44 1993
I think DMB is an eminent star. These guys are so good; they're a real
eastern mint. And we can talk about 'em in a mere instant here on our
minerats net. DMB are magical in their improvisional live shows; they
are men in set-art. I mean, I think the members of DMB are treats in
men. You know what i do every day? i net star-men!
Get it?
love,daniel
----gnome boy says go by omen-----greenfling lives in fringe
glen-----
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Dave at Frat Parties
chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu Sun Nov 21 13:39:38 1993
Something horrible happened last night (well maybe not horrible)
A friend of mine was DJing at one of the crappy weekend fraternity parties.
make the DJ play it. We picked Tripping billies to play because we felt an
uncultured audience would take to it fastest.
After arguing with the DJ for some time he agreed to take the disc
(wouldn't take some crisp tapes) but he said he probably wouldn't play it
because he was the prime time (11:30-12:30) DJ and he had to play cheesy
Danse music.
Well Bob abd I had all of our friends go up to the DJ and reguest "that
Tripping Billies song by Dave Matthews". So the DJ played But Anyway
(getting closer) and the crowd was still groovin' and then he started to
play Trippin Billies but.........
Everyone stopped dancing. They all looked perplexed. What was this music?
I was trying to get everyone to dance but I just can't whip 100 people into
a virtual frenzy. Needless to say he cut out of the song before the end of
the first chorus :-.
There it is, my first and probably last experience of Dave at a
Northwestern Fraternity party.
Sorry for the long post but I thought you would like to know this.
Bye,
Brian
inside to play some foosball. -Slater |
------------ / \ chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Brian Lipman \---------- @ @ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Northwestern University \------ ! Well, I guess I should play
Allison 3002, 1820 Chicago Ave | \ / some shit you guys know
Evanston, Illinois 60201-3856 | \__/ afterall, because the people
-------------------------------- here at Wetlands are paying me.
I'm Hungry. Let's get a taco.-Mr. White tonight. -John Popper 6.24.93
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Re: Misc. comments and answers
COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET Sun Nov 21 15:12:34 1993
----------------------------------------
Brett,
Thanx for the direction you were able to supply me with in placing
when and where my bootleg's from. I didn't realize they used to have
a piano player. When did he leave?
About Watchtower, I agree that their cover of this song is incredible,
but I don't know if I would say it is necessarily *better* than
Dylan's original. I think Dylan's stands out just *because* it is
original. However, The DMB's cover has got to be the closest that any
cover has come to overtaking its original in quality. I love that
song! The first time I heard their version was at an April 15th show
at Wm. and Mary when they opened up for Toad the Wet Sprocket, and it
really just blew me away.
Well thanx for the help!
Jamie C.
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DMB in publications
COGBILLJ@GUVAX.BITNET Sun Nov 21 15:46:26 1993
Does anyone know of any publications that have published articles
about the band or their music. I have one from the "C'ville" mag and
one from the Rich. Times Dispatch, but was interested in reading more.
Jamie Cogbill
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dave matthews interveiw at wxjm, harrisonburg
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Mon Nov 22 11:32:44 1993
after a little calling around, and talking to four different people
(including dave), i've managed to line up an interview with dave
matthews to be done live at wxjm, 88.7 fm, harrisonburg va. the
interview will be done at about 4pm, and will be taped, hopefully
on dat. if your in town, tune in.
the main point here is what should i ask him? if you have anything
in particular you'd like to know, send me a message and i'll put
together the best questions. i'm looking for broad, general questions,
because this interview is being done for jmu, which doesn't have
quite so strong a dmb base.
he should also be playing a few tunes for us, too. i'm hoping we
can find a way to get some other members in there, but college
radio stations aren't known for having large studios.
thanx, all...
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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HELP!!!!
jcrother Mon Nov 22 15:11:21 1993
Could someone please send me the last digest.
I accidentally erased it and didn't get a chance to read it.
I sent this to the net in hopes that those of you who don't have minarets
digestified will respond before I head off for break.
thanks
alex Crothers
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Thanksgiving Break
jcrother Mon Nov 22 15:24:41 1993
Sorry about that last post but it was the best way I could think of to get
the digest before I headed home.
However, this post is much more relevant (I hope)
Since I'm 'administrator' of this net I suppose I'll make this
decision/request.
With Thanksgiving break approaching many of us leave the academic world
and with that our internet access. Most of the other nets request that
you de-subscribe while away so as not to build up a huge pile of mail.
This is mostly due to the fact that some host computers and accounts with
and anything that exceeds that limit gets chucked.
Since this net is still small (and friendly :) ) I suggest we (the
minarets community) just stop/cut back on messages to minarets.
Currently, minarets gets about one digestified message a day (isn't that
right?) So thanksgiving shouldn't really be a big deal.
I just ask that people who are able to remain on minarets over
thanksgiving not post any/many messages.
I don't think this should upset too many people (especially since most of
us on minarets go to college and go home (somewhere) for thanksgiving.
alex Crothers
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Re: Brett's view on Watchtower
kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Mon Nov 22 15:32:43 1993
How can you honestly say that DMB's version of Watchtower is better than
Hendrix's. Take another listen to Hendrix's.
--Kerry
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dave at frat parties..
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Mon Nov 22 16:49:03 1993
here's my input on dave at frat parties. there's two types of frat
parties. dance hook-up fests, and live music jams. personally, i
think dave has no place in the former. the music people want to hear
on a dance floor is stuff that they're really familiar with and can
sing along with, which is why all in the groove would be a somewhat
appropriate selection. as anybody here can tell you, i worship dmb,
but if i were dj'ing a party where the prime directive is to get as
drunk as possible and dance to the coolest beat i can hear, i wouldn't
play dmb. in all honesty, i would steer as much as i could to hip-
hop and house, and throw in a progressive set of pretty mainstream
songs to break any monotony. frat dance floors just aren't the place
for new music.
live music in frat houses, on the other hand, is a completley different
story. i've found, here at jmu, that the live band parties kick some
serious ass. it's actually a perfect place for dmb, what with boyd's
stage theatrics and dave's facial expressions.
at any rate, i wouldn't worry in the slightest about your experience at
northwestern. once dave catches on, you'll see people dancing to it
all the time. walk into sig ep, sigma chi, or axp here at jmu and put
tripping billies in, you'll probably see some pretty serious bouncing
around.
that's all from this corner of the world...
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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it's gonna be an eternity in here...
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a day for the interview would be nice...
STU_RCTHOMPS@JMUVAX.BITNET Mon Nov 22 19:16:25 1993
sorry everyone, forgot to tell you what day the interview is going
to be on. it'll be on this coming monday, nov 29(at 4pm). if you
haven't heard yet, the band is playing that night on jmu campus.
tix are $5 in advance, $7 at the door. i think 'in advance' means until
5pm monday afternoon, and tix would be available through the upb
box office which is in the warren campus center. if you're interested
in coming to see the show from out of town, just ask any student
where it is. it's pretty big and hard to miss.
i'll also be asking dave a bunch of questions about the lyrics file,
so be prepared for an updated version soon.
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rick thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
jmu box 5388
harrisonburg, va 22807
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GA THEATRE
fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu Mon Nov 22 21:31:12 1993
DANCING NANCIES TO CLOSE THE FIRST SET, MINARETS, JIMI THING, WHAT WOULD
YOU SAY, AND A GREAT RECENTLY. ALL OF THESE WERE SUPERB. THE BAD PART OF
THE SHOW WAS THE CROWD. TOO MANY SOCIALITES AND TOO FEW LISTENERS. IT
MADE ME SO MAD TO SEE A BUNCH OF DRUNK IDIOTS PULLING THEIR DRUNK STUPID
GIRLS AROUND AND TRYING TO SING ALONG TO EVERY SONG AT THE TOP OF THEIR
LUNGS. FOR A MINUTE I THOUGHT THE BUFFETT FANS STOPPED OFF AT THE WRONG
PLACE. THEIR WERE GIRLS HUGGING AND SWAYING AND YELLING TO ALL THEIR
"FAVORITES" ( THE ONLY SONGS THEY KNEW) WHILE TOASTING INTO THE AIR WITH
THEIR BEERS. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH GETTING INTO THE MUSIC BUT THEY
WERE THERE FOR A PARTY, A SOCIAL EVENT. I LOVE TO DANCE TO THE BAND AND
SING WHEN APPROPRIATE BUT NOT SO DAMN LOUD IT INTERFERES WITH OTHERS. I
HAD TO LEAVE THE FLOOR AND RESORT TO THE BALCONY. THIS MADE ME MAD. HEY I
LOVE TO HAVE A FEW DRINKS AND ENJOY MYSELF BU TI CAN CONTROL MYSELF. I
WENT SO THAT I COULD REMEMBER THE SHOW, NO TTO SEE HOW MUCH I COULD DRINK.
IF YOU COME TO A SHOW, LISTEN. PARTY SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE YOU ARE WANTED.
I THOUGHT WITH GA BEING OUT IT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE NOT SO SERIOUS
GOERS, BUT I WAS WRONG.
AND I HAVE A MONTH TO CATCH MANY SHOWS OVER CHRISTMAS. I CAN NOT WAIT!!!
JUST A REMINDER THE BAND WAS GREAT THAT NIGHT.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
slap that drummer in the face with a pie that smells
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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TAPE TREE
fostekc0@seraph1.sewanee.edu Tue Nov 23 18:13:36 1993
AGO IT WAS EXPECTED TO BE FINSHED IN TEN DAYS. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY
TAPES OR INFO ABOUT THEM. PLEASE SOMEONE WRITE BACK AND INFORM ME!
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December Dates!
jcrother Sun Nov 28 20:23:17 1993
Hope you all had a happy Thanksgiving.
I ended up only catching one Dave show while I was home for break. I went
to Virginia Beach and saw Dave at the Peppermint Beach Club. the show was
good but I ended up not having a place to stay so the car it was. :(
That was the only down-side but I'm young and will bounce back. :)
Set I = 55 mins Set II
One Sweet World Minarets
Trippin Billies Lover Lay Down
Granny Lie in our Grave
Satellite jimi thing
Help Myself Seek Up
Jane's Song Pay for what you get
Dancing Nancies What would you say
True Reflections Warehouse
Probably the only bummer for me was that there was no encore. Not sure
why, maybe they were out of time (forgot to check) or something like that?
I was planning to go to the Bayou show in D.C. but a number of things
ended up stopping me. First, I was broke. Second, the friend I was
staying with was rather ill (from sleeping in the car the night before :(
Third, it was raining and I had my deck. Fourth, the Bayou SUCKS. I knew
that if I wanted to get in I would have to wait outside the Bayou for
awhile (I hate waiting) with my deck and it was raining. Anyway, who
cares why I couldn't go to the Bayou. I'm just rambling.
these are directly from Michael so I'm assuming the dates that have "?"
beside them are tentative. I'll let the net know if I hear anything more.
alex Crother
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